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  • @TheOutcasts
    @TheOutcasts  4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Hope You Guys Enjoy! Want A Location Built? Comment Under This With Areas And We May Build There in Our Next Video!

    • @mindsetsetter1
      @mindsetsetter1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      do a crystal isles floating island since a lot of people build on them

    • @user-oj1lk8ot8v
      @user-oj1lk8ot8v 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeti cave island

    • @sloppymcfloppy5422
      @sloppymcfloppy5422 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Valguaro crystal cave/waterfall cave

    • @SNAKES_Tenschi
      @SNAKES_Tenschi 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mindsetsetter1 That's a good idea 👍

    • @goatuy
      @goatuy 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Rag lava cave

  • @KrisoO
    @KrisoO 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    so the tower has 0 ground turrets making it very easy to racer run, the wall does not have enough tek turrets, tek turrets kill people off stegos meaning they are much much much needed as well as there are no fence supports to stop snow owl diving at all

  • @poenieverslinder767
    @poenieverslinder767 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Can u show us how you did inside with ceiling ans pillars

  • @pxlarz6150
    @pxlarz6150 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Nice one your last oil cave was a bit bad let’s be honest but apart from the tower on here you nailed it nice job about the tower i would have done 10 pillars up then hatch frames then another 10 and hatch frames and vault drop the corners instead of pillar turrets although looking at the wall now it could have been about 3-4 more foundations sooner so some turrets shoot them in the entrances and with wall tek heavy with a little space to breath so they can’t be los also a little wall on a cliff plat on the left of the entrance when you walk in

  • @Talazuria
    @Talazuria 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    if the tips touch, the turrets will only fire at what's directly in front of them btw. Got your turrets a bit too close together. Also the main way people raid that cave is snow owls, if they target the top of your wall like they should, they'll end up in your "sniper spot"

  • @blakethurman599
    @blakethurman599 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Did you put pullers under all those metal ceilings?

  • @Wrestlingfunnymoments
    @Wrestlingfunnymoments 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love how clean your builds are, i will definitely use this design :)

    • @xPamzee
      @xPamzee 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      LOL Stop the cap

    • @lxsdi9960
      @lxsdi9960 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If you wanna get wiped, sure

    • @midaz8753
      @midaz8753 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lxsdi9960Personally I would only use the crafting station, if u use the wall/turret tower design I recommend expecting to wake up with the respawn screen.

  • @thurley4771
    @thurley4771 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    best base design Ive ever seen pls can you show how you build a ragnarok castle plat

    • @paulihenry6420
      @paulihenry6420 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      i agree

    • @FABI-fu6mg
      @FABI-fu6mg 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      should hit him up to get build tips for s2 xD

  • @chaseallen9269
    @chaseallen9269 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    U could just c-spin were ur sniping floor is on the inside deathwall and take the whole wall down

  • @stechy4298
    @stechy4298 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video bro love the uploads keep up the work much love

  • @jasonomc-_____-7450
    @jasonomc-_____-7450 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Any chance we could see the redwood cave on crystal isles be built in

  • @daddy-_-dani6384
    @daddy-_-dani6384 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Not trynna hate but sniping area is ass bc they can c spin and land on it and los the whole wall even if you put turrets there a couple heavies is ez if your playing official

    • @yeetplebs3373
      @yeetplebs3373 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      i would love to see someone c spin that death wall. think before you type man.

    • @unbannable8376
      @unbannable8376 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      YeetPlebs u probably could c spin with a couple of people or just owl dive ez claps

    • @braydendowney5293
      @braydendowney5293 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      YeetPlebs with about 6 people two owls dive in first 4 c spin behind em it’s ez

    • @braydendowney5293
      @braydendowney5293 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      YeetPlebs think before you type man

    • @nfsfeddy
      @nfsfeddy 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Doorframes

  • @LevelForge
    @LevelForge 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I mean it looks nice but it's unofficial I think builds for official are more needed since its way harder to build there

    • @masteryooda9087
      @masteryooda9087 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Look up magic ark, his tutorials are Spanish but they’re for official and they’re damn good

  • @kingzviisionz7843
    @kingzviisionz7843 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I’m good with my interior design being half rendered I’ll just build the necessary parts

  • @thejob1718
    @thejob1718 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Never vault drop on foundations. They drop 1 and they will all fall inside each other

    • @matthewpatterson8999
      @matthewpatterson8999 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      So you'd rather have the wall and turret tower just have a wall as protection? Na bro

    • @midaz8753
      @midaz8753 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@matthewpatterson8999 no u have to place the vaults not on the foundations and then u good

    • @matthewpatterson8999
      @matthewpatterson8999 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@midaz8753 if ypu place vaults on foundations than all you break is the foundations than all the vaults kn top go inside eachother

  • @crispychicken9451
    @crispychicken9451 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really good but I would push the turret wall up like a very tiny bit then fence supports to stop owl bombing

  • @kyle_logie
    @kyle_logie 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That would have taken hour good job bro

  • @thierryonwifi3708
    @thierryonwifi3708 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    its very nice but i think if the enemys soaked some turrets they might can c spin to the stairs and come inside

  • @cianmcguire8854
    @cianmcguire8854 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I just call them cryo floors

  • @Emberxzz
    @Emberxzz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Could you please do some more official builds but I love the content

    • @brennan4821
      @brennan4821 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I believe 90% of this can be made on Official

    • @zirchez8749
      @zirchez8749 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@brennan4821 Yes to have that base you gotta be a alpha tribe or close so you need have a lot of metal and tek

    • @brennan4821
      @brennan4821 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@zirchez8749 ok... Not really sure why was said tho lol

  • @55Luca
    @55Luca 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    need lot more ground turrets bear traps hatchframe block etc

  • @kaizannekoo1685
    @kaizannekoo1685 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey any chance u can show a video on how u layered inside the base coz I really liked ur design

  • @outplays3709
    @outplays3709 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    and with your sniper area u can pt c sinn and be safe

  • @noahhughes1464
    @noahhughes1464 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Do you like a turret tower cage like the one in the thumbnail would be good underwater? Wondering so I can upgrade my base

    • @connor_harris007
      @connor_harris007 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I would suggest doing that and putting a bunch of mosas outside

  • @callumlee9385
    @callumlee9385 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Tip for rookies. When vault dropping don’t do it on top of a foundation as all the raiders have to do is destroy the foundation and all the vaults will fall into each other

    • @chopy2577
      @chopy2577 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      what would u put them on cat walks?

    • @brush8752
      @brush8752 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@chopy2577 the floor lol

    • @connor_harris007
      @connor_harris007 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So it’s oils be better to vault drop pillars right

  • @mobo8933
    @mobo8933 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I would have loved to see some species x plants as they form a deadly combination with turrets

    • @florix1646
      @florix1646 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The problem with the plants is that they count as turrets as well so you'll reach your turret maximum much faster if you add plants. Rather fill it up with heavies or teks as they do very much dmg (ofc in the early game it's good to have plants for the vision cancel and the slow but later it's just not worth it anymore 'cause of the turret maximum)

    • @mobo8933
      @mobo8933 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@florix1646 huh never thought of it that way. My thinking was that alot of soakers usually sponge bullets by retreating after reaching low hp and healing with cakes or snow owl, if there's an element that slows them down it would be much more trickier to soak efficiently so it might also act as a deterrent

    • @florix1646
      @florix1646 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mobo8933 I mean you're right, in the earlygame it gets much harder to raid a base with plants if you have just a few dinos to soak but it's also very easy to destroy them by using flame arrows. But yeah in the early it's really worth it, in late they don't really make a difference

  • @myst.71
    @myst.71 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    A big improvement from your last one almost there but still lacking a couple things like preventing owl/pt dives and more

  • @denizsirin1708
    @denizsirin1708 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Inb4 "only need 1 stego to raid this" people come. Lol great vid

    • @Kerishko
      @Kerishko 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You can raid any base with stego tbh

    • @Kerishko
      @Kerishko 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Except for some caves

    • @Sam-sh1hp
      @Sam-sh1hp 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Kerishko lol. I’d love someone to try my base with a stegosaurus. I’ll log off and come back in a week.

    • @Kerishko
      @Kerishko 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Sam-sh1hp it may take time but eventually the turret will be out of ammo if anyone soak it with stego and owl

    • @Arcanum404
      @Arcanum404 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@shars104 that base wiped 🤣

  • @BruceWaynge
    @BruceWaynge 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wait can you not trigger your own bear traps??

  • @matthewpatterson8999
    @matthewpatterson8999 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I use that outside tower as tower spam. Just without the cage. Very effective yes

  • @rafaelduarte8983
    @rafaelduarte8983 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    makes a video of the spider cave of the valguero. build

  • @springterror6129
    @springterror6129 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    How does one contact you ? Got any other forms or social media that I can contact you on and pick ur brain on building tips ?

  • @larryduper1191
    @larryduper1191 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey do you know how many pillars and ceilings for the actual base

  • @radius_active4528
    @radius_active4528 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice video
    Next glowtail cave Aberration?

  • @raphaelhahn7556
    @raphaelhahn7556 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Keep crafting until u run out of resources. "Laughs in 20 capped dedis of metal and c paste each"

  • @ztxelax
    @ztxelax 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice video, but i would really love is u show how to do the layout inside, im kinda new to ark and i wanna learn how to build

    • @TheOutcasts
      @TheOutcasts  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The video would have been 2 hours long that’s the issue I’m working on a new thing for members to where they get all the raw footage to use if they get lost

    • @conorpearson2
      @conorpearson2 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Im sure the outcasts wouldnt mind you watching other youtubers lol to learn how to build. Theres plenty you could learn from

  • @lukeizzard2384
    @lukeizzard2384 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The inside is banging but the outside tower could definitely have alot more turrets on it other than that great build 👍

    • @TheOutcasts
      @TheOutcasts  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Actually that’s 100 turrets on the outside one

    • @lukeizzard2384
      @lukeizzard2384 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheOutcasts oh fr? Looks like 70 or something but ok then nvm lol, they look really close though idk if all the turrets that should be able to shoot would

  • @arandom1105
    @arandom1105 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I still don’t get how to use pillers and ceiling to make the inside/flooring of the base

    • @Noah-qb5rm
      @Noah-qb5rm 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Look up i think its muntage and watch the video where he build oil

  • @sudzylegend1657
    @sudzylegend1657 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ok wow I usually skip past these type of videos bc I thought ppl who did these were bobs but your actually rlly good at building and that sniping roof on the death wall is really smart also do u think u could do a design for like official build settings

    • @gilldafrog5814
      @gilldafrog5814 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ummmmm you know who spededbraindead is?

  • @cyanideop8643
    @cyanideop8643 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just saying shouldn’t the wall be further up?

    • @opal1872
      @opal1872 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      tek rifle

    • @opal1872
      @opal1872 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      but he needs a cliff plat further up looking into the entrance with fence supports blocking ow bombs

  • @xbgyt364
    @xbgyt364 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    That oil cave wouldn’t stand a chance lol

  • @neonlite9390
    @neonlite9390 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you have a pillar under every ceiling?

  • @user-ux7gg5ri2x
    @user-ux7gg5ri2x 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    nice vault drop lmao i cant vault drop either

  • @lhyrex5912
    @lhyrex5912 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The crafting area is nice

  • @i_clapzgaming8002
    @i_clapzgaming8002 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What are the coords

  • @vampy.0999
    @vampy.0999 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    hey how did you light it that well

  • @dakloane8457
    @dakloane8457 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    U can just owl dive to the defense part, no turrets shooting there

  • @user-ux7gg5ri2x
    @user-ux7gg5ri2x 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    i dont understand how do you build oil rong

  • @cheekyace14drake32
    @cheekyace14drake32 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    That is cheep even on official one week and you can have all of that plus more nice build do sniping tower no good c spin in and boom hole wall gone down

    • @Solutho
      @Solutho 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That wall can munch at 50k dmg per hit. Even with a nice saddle, I can't see how a PT can tank to get close enough for the c spin.
      Not bashing you, just wondering. Could be wrong

    • @mattcorc5267
      @mattcorc5267 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      An owl could

    • @cheekyace14drake32
      @cheekyace14drake32 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      as.sa pt stats op you get a soker in and then pt behind it and cp in to gap boom

    • @jacobcanady2603
      @jacobcanady2603 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      If you can get this in one week on official you need some sleep

    • @khalilcarney4156
      @khalilcarney4156 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jacobcanady2603 it's not hard to farm tho, an already based tribe can farm this in a week, the only hard part is getting an opened oil cave and not getting wiped out of it as soon as you build it

  • @sleezysilly2653
    @sleezysilly2653 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would also put a titan cage tower!

  • @diegofernando1833
    @diegofernando1833 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cords??

  • @gspure3396
    @gspure3396 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    How are you snapping the dedi boxes to the floor ?

    • @DineroSkcat
      @DineroSkcat 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      There not snapped he left a hole in the floor n placed a dedi box on top and built 1 down and snapped the dedi boxes together over the floor

  • @TheRealMrJester
    @TheRealMrJester 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wait you said most servers turn off cannon. Then how do people ko the rock elementals? You gotta use a cannon to the head

    • @harrywebster1958
      @harrywebster1958 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ban cannon raiding, I mean u can do it but if u get caught it’s normally a tribe wipe

    • @luisp6845
      @luisp6845 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Some server setting turn off dmg structures by cannon

  • @jacklewis7483
    @jacklewis7483 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just saying a turret tower outside of a oil cave is just a free arb and shards just like pearl

  • @botwithiq
    @botwithiq 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice vid!

  • @aloemirra
    @aloemirra 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yo whats the music ?

    • @TheOutcasts
      @TheOutcasts  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      all music is in the descripton

  • @vj0r997
    @vj0r997 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    man wat heb jij gebouwt lol kijk naar die pillars

  • @james-christiangibert2222
    @james-christiangibert2222 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you do a base to the ice cave on the center ? and niche Video

  • @ZaysSWT
    @ZaysSWT 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Loc?

  • @4pink299
    @4pink299 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    u must have been soo tired when editing this

    • @TheOutcasts
      @TheOutcasts  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes not to mention that my editing software and recording software both were not working correctly for this video so it took hours of fixing to get them right

  • @davidvillanueva5270
    @davidvillanueva5270 ปีที่แล้ว

    49.6 19.6

  • @Hasan-jw9yw
    @Hasan-jw9yw 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Warning guys do not stack vaults on a floor they just have to break that and all your vaults fall in 1 stack

  • @goodbyeimakenewaccount8228
    @goodbyeimakenewaccount8228 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lol ill never be able to replicate that as good as you did it. Can you build it for me? Lol jk jk... unless...

  • @tgc9080
    @tgc9080 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do a canyon cave build on rag

  • @gta_stop896
    @gta_stop896 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Would u recommend to use that turret tower in other places?

    • @TheOutcasts
      @TheOutcasts  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes build more than 1 and build them all around the entrance

    • @gta_stop896
      @gta_stop896 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Kk

  • @solidsnake6206
    @solidsnake6206 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Vault dropping with cave damage is useless and a huge waste of your resources, highly recommend against it.

  • @paskyy9527
    @paskyy9527 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    can you show how to foundation trick so you dont have to use pillars

    • @TheOutcasts
      @TheOutcasts  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      All you have to do is lower them into the foundation and then extend the foundations out as much as you want and it will make it so ceilings done need pillar support

    • @tryhardminecraft4278
      @tryhardminecraft4278 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      The Outcasts this base must be so expensive

    • @tenyo.
      @tenyo. 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tryhardminecraft4278 it is but if you grind with a few people it wont be super hard

    • @shaded1465
      @shaded1465 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheOutcasts video tutorial ?

  • @e1ite869
    @e1ite869 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    First Bois probably nice vid still premiering lol

  • @leinad8484
    @leinad8484 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fits 500 compys

  • @sheele490
    @sheele490 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Please could u make official builds, they would work for both official and unofficial and are more realistic

    • @GhostEstIdk
      @GhostEstIdk 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That base is posible in official i did it 4 times that design 1 official 3 unofficil

  • @burkeygaming8352
    @burkeygaming8352 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    do island jungle cave please

  • @cheapempress9254
    @cheapempress9254 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Don’t build the sniping thing unless you wanna get c spinned

    • @pur3clapz728
      @pur3clapz728 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Its good to have when u have a 755 damage fabi sniper bp

    • @Josh-li7si
      @Josh-li7si 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@pur3clapz728 can't get that on official bruh

    • @pur3clapz728
      @pur3clapz728 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yep unofficial some random server I found

  • @nidvid7168
    @nidvid7168 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    lache pas l ecole

  • @fazetopa5019
    @fazetopa5019 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cuantos lingotes hacen falta para eso xd

  • @brennan4821
    @brennan4821 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Decent build

  • @marcoque2356
    @marcoque2356 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    has some gigantic flaws but if fixed its over all acceptable

  • @williamsutton6024
    @williamsutton6024 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    All of these builds you do aren’t good for official which sucks.

    • @affee1236
      @affee1236 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      true

    • @onetisticduck2810
      @onetisticduck2810 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      they are terrible builds anyways so you’re better off not using them

  • @bournelloyd9445
    @bournelloyd9445 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yo want server is this

  • @xbgyt364
    @xbgyt364 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Don’t build that tower whatever you do

  • @ghostboi2631
    @ghostboi2631 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    You should do a face reveal at 20k subs

    • @TheOutcasts
      @TheOutcasts  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I’ll do it at 100k

  • @xoanveiga2621
    @xoanveiga2621 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Crystal cave rag please

  • @sipanbarwari8117
    @sipanbarwari8117 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    We are not playing fibercraft, we playing official this is useless specially the turret tower

    • @conflux1147
      @conflux1147 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      You can get this on smalls tribes in a couple weeks or so

  • @lirix5089
    @lirix5089 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    dont tell people how to build a pvp base with no pvp experience

  • @ksodo666
    @ksodo666 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do not build that Tower, its bad, he vault dropped on foundies lmfao

  • @velocity1292
    @velocity1292 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    A rock golem would die before it soaked all those turrets my God

    • @bannopngl2840
      @bannopngl2840 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      A rock golem isnt a very good soaked lol i would much rather a racer

    • @bannopngl2840
      @bannopngl2840 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Ampruh tek turrets

    • @onetisticduck2810
      @onetisticduck2810 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Ampruh golems are only good early game once ppl have teks they are rendered useless

  • @toadinaswamp5643
    @toadinaswamp5643 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi

  • @AkumaRiah
    @AkumaRiah 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ew no collision... decent building I guess tho

  • @troubleshooter2725
    @troubleshooter2725 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    👍🏻

  • @egekurttepeli3830
    @egekurttepeli3830 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    bro just sayin if I saw that shitty tower and base on ark i would prob laugh my ass off take a pic then make fun of it for the whole year

  • @x..x..x..x..x
    @x..x..x..x..x 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    its a not good base

  • @alikaharrison6270
    @alikaharrison6270 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This guy really said” so they can’t cannon the deathwall” 💀 biggest bob on ark don’t build his base designs

  • @hugo9167
    @hugo9167 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    s+ very easy kkkkk

  • @justsomeratinapie2234
    @justsomeratinapie2234 ปีที่แล้ว

    this build is horrendous please dont build it

  • @shadowfobup765
    @shadowfobup765 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    S+ useless

  • @4pink299
    @4pink299 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    srry but ur sniping areas are kinda stupid i think
    cuz u dont defend from there u defend from the etrance with gig or what ever