An Interesting System of Differential Equations

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  • @onegreengoat9779
    @onegreengoat9779 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I enjoyed watching this because it's describing the work of a matrix. The derivative of a vector d/dt() is equal to a 2x2 matrix A multiplied by added to the vector . The 2x2 matrix A has entries [1, 1 \\ 1, -1]. The eigenvalues of this matrix are sqrt(2) and -sqrt(2) and the eigenvectors are and respectively. You can use the fundamental structure to solve the integrals with matrices if you define the exponental of a square 2x2 matrix using a taylor series type expansion. Ultimately you'd be doing the work that you did solving it the way you did. That's why it's so enjoyable to watch it. Great job!

  • @RashmiRay-c1y
    @RashmiRay-c1y 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    We see that dy/dx= (x+y+1)/(y-x), which is exact and we get x^2-y^2 +2xy + 2x = constant. Alternatively, d^2x/dt^2 = dy/dt-dx/dt = 2x+1 > x = -1/2 +A e^(sqrt(2)t) + B e^(-sqrt(2)t) and y = x + dx/dt = -1/2 +(sqrt(2)+1)A e^(sqrt(2)t) - (sqrt(2)-1)B e^(-sqrt(2)t) . We have two first order equations and hence the two constants.

  • @Jperre2010
    @Jperre2010 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Try: let u = x + 1/2, v= y + 1/2 to get the linear system u' = -u + v and v' = u + v. Then integrate using standard techniques.

  • @nalapurraghavendrarao6324
    @nalapurraghavendrarao6324 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    And you have assigned arbitrary values for a and b ?

  • @yoav613
    @yoav613 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    What??? Just differenciate the first eq(eith respect to t) and you get(using the second eq) y''=2y+1,and after solving this simple differential eq for y you get x by x=y'-y-1 (the first eq)😊

  • @GeoffryGifari
    @GeoffryGifari 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    linear algebra?

  • @FisicTrapella
    @FisicTrapella 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If x = x(t) and y = y(t) we have
    (1) dt = dy/(x+y+1)
    (2) dt = dx/(y-x)
    So, integrating
    (1) t = ln(x+y+1) + C1
    (2) t = -ln(y-x) + C2
    where x and y are "constants" when integrating with respect to y and x.
    Then ln(x+y+1) + ln(y-x) = C3
    ln [(x+y+1)(y-x)] = C3
    (x+y+1)(y-x) = constant

    • @amaxar7775
      @amaxar7775 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That was the incorrect integration. You can write:
      dt = dx / (y - x) = dy / (x + y + 1),
      but integration will be like this:
      dx / (y - x) = dy / (x + y + 1) = d(x + y) / (2 y + 1),
      (2 y + 1) dy = (x + y + 1) d(x + y),
      after integrating and "decorating":
      x² + 2 x y - y² + 2 x = const.

    • @appybane8481
      @appybane8481 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's wrong because x is not a constant in terms of y and y is not a constant in terms of x

    • @FisicTrapella
      @FisicTrapella 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@appybane8481 Maybe... but he doesn't say anything... He only says that x and y are function of t...

  • @MortezaSabzian-db1sl
    @MortezaSabzian-db1sl 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The simple method before me
    First we write the equations
    dy/dt=x+y+1
    dx/dt=y-x
    It is enough to divide both sides of the equations
    dy/dt/dx/dt=(x+y+1)/(y-x)
    Well, friends, take a look at the left side of the equation According to the chain rule, you should be able to simplify it
    dy/dt/dx/dt=dy/dx
    Now head right First, let's me rewrite the equation once more
    dy/dx=(x+y+1)/(y-x)
    My dears, is this form of the equation not familiar to you? Can we convert it into a homogeneous equation? How to do this?
    Let y=Y+a and x=X+b
    so dy=dY. And dx=dX
    Let's replace the new variables
    dY/dX=(X+Y+a+b+1)/(Y-X+a-b)
    We need to homogenize
    a+b+1=0 and a-b=0
    a=-½ and b=-½
    dY/dX=(X+Y)/(Y-X)
    We change the variable again. The method of solving the homogeneous equation is known
    u=Y+X and v=Y-X
    Y=(u+v)/2 and X=(u-v)/2
    dY=(du+dv)/2. And dX=(du-dv)/2
    We replace the new variables
    (du+dv)/(du-dv)=u/v
    Using the properties of ratios, we can combine the numerator in the denominator
    d(u+v)/(2du)=u/(u+v)
    We now have a separable differential equation
    (u+v)d(u+v)=2udu
    It is not difficult to guess the differentials of each side, but if you like integral, you can get integral
    d((u+v)²/2)=d(u²)
    d((u+v)²/2-u²)=0
    (u+v)²/2-u²=constant
    Now we find our initial variables
    u=X+Y=x+y+1 v=Y-X=y-x
    As results
    (2y+1)²/2-(x+y+1)²=const

    • @MortezaSabzian-db1sl
      @MortezaSabzian-db1sl 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This differential equation is probably related to a physical problem
      Anyway, if we want to find the parameters of the location, i.e. x and y, it is enough to look at the solution of the equation again
      (2y+1)²/2-(x+y+1)²=c²
      (2y+1)/c*√2))²-((x+y+1)/c)²=1
      Similar to this union of pan hyperbolic functions
      cosh²(√2t)-sinh²(√2t)=1
      Let
      (2y+1)/(c*√2))=cosh(√2t)
      (x+y+1)/c=sinh(√2t)
      y=(c√2cosh(√2t)-1)/2
      x=c*sinh(√2t)-c/√2cosh(√2t)-1/2

    • @kevinmadden1645
      @kevinmadden1645 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Don't x and y have to be expressed in terms of t?

    • @MortezaSabzian-db1sl
      @MortezaSabzian-db1sl 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@kevinmadden1645
      I have done this too, look at the comment above your comment

    • @appybane8481
      @appybane8481 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      is that t same as t in the original equation?

    • @MortezaSabzian-db1sl
      @MortezaSabzian-db1sl 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@appybane8481
      Yes, t is the intermediate variable that we call time in physics

  • @giuseppemalaguti435
    @giuseppemalaguti435 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Boh...non so se ho capito...y=x+√(2(x^2+x-c))

    • @stephenshefsky5201
      @stephenshefsky5201 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I obtained the same result by two different methods. I (we) assumed the problem was to find the "path" or "trajectory", y(x).

  • @藤文-y8w
    @藤文-y8w 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    dy/dx = (x+y+1)/(y-x)
    (x+y+1)dx - (y-x)dy = 0
    xdx + ydx + dx - ydy + xdy = 0
    d(x^2/2) - d(y^2/2) + dx + d(xy) = 0
    ∴ x^2/2 - y^2/2 + x + xy = c
    x^2 - y^2 + 2x + 2xy = c

  • @nalapurraghavendrarao6324
    @nalapurraghavendrarao6324 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can't we divide (dy/dt )/(dx/dt)=(x+y+1)/(y-x)

    • @RashmiRay-c1y
      @RashmiRay-c1y 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes and this is an exact differential equation, solvable by very standard techniques, to get x^2-y^2 +2xy + 2x = constant.

  • @tanbw922
    @tanbw922 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is “ y^2 = x^2 + 2xy + 2x + c “ , a simpler answer?