Naturalism and Artifice, Thinking About Pictorialism

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.ค. 2024
  • My friend the photo collector Don Camera is a force of nature, and what he told me about the period in the history of photography called Pictorialism one afternoon touched on several points that I have been thinking about ever since. He also lent me a superb book filled with great examples. Is Pictorialism really over, or might it be ready for a comeback?

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  • @terrycraig3042
    @terrycraig3042 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    If anyone studied the history of photography they would never say they disliked pictorialism. Bravo for your wonderful video.

  • @gongorelocksmagiincommand
    @gongorelocksmagiincommand 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    the absence of clarity and the kind of messiness that comes with this sort of photography is wholly indispensable to me. And I adore it.

  • @richardcressey5854
    @richardcressey5854 6 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    'Pictorialism is far from dead' It's alive and thriving in the advertising and fashion industries. If only Photoshop had been available to O J Rejlander and Henry Peach Robinson. This is a really valuable video.

    • @lyva
      @lyva 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Sometimes limitations breed creativity :)

    • @geoffreypiltz271
      @geoffreypiltz271 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Rejlander's composite photos are amazing productions. The Photoshopping of its time.

  • @letmebereal
    @letmebereal 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good stuff, love the music.

  • @RoryPattonDreamerOfDunsidhe
    @RoryPattonDreamerOfDunsidhe ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Eye opening and inspiring. I think I need to study this further. I had never heard of Pictorialism and only found this because I accidentally clicked on the wrong thumbnail. Thank you.😎

  • @Tyrell_Corp2019
    @Tyrell_Corp2019 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks. That was a pleasure to watch. And to boot... refreshing compared to the hyper clinical look that most photographers strive for in digital.

  • @lymemj
    @lymemj 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for this video. I am studying a Bachelor in Photography at SNHU and this week our topic is "Pictorialism". Your video is interesting and has many outstanding samples. Appreciate it! (Pictorialism will never die with photographers that want to be artistic, my opinion!)

  • @BarondelaPlumeDorèe
    @BarondelaPlumeDorèe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is a must see for anyone getting into photography as an art.

  • @JohnLarryGroff
    @JohnLarryGroff 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Brilliant! Thank you for this marvelous study that inspires me want to learn and appreciate this artform even more.

  • @ahoyhere8113
    @ahoyhere8113 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    this is wonderful… put words to a feeling i couldn’t express, and taught me a bunch of places to learn more and appreciate more.

  • @peterhart8275
    @peterhart8275 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another wonderful and informative film John, thanks very much.

  • @divinerdetective44
    @divinerdetective44 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Watching this 5 years after it was posted, and I love the style of this photographic genre. Your friend must have been a very good friend indeed to lend his book, I can tell you it's big bucks online.💲💲💲 I even can't get a copy through my local library or inter library loan, must be pretty special.

  • @testcardII
    @testcardII ปีที่แล้ว +1

    These photographs are precious 🤍

  • @alexfxlll
    @alexfxlll 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    End quote is beautiful! I couldn’t agree more

  • @stephenlangton6711
    @stephenlangton6711 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks to Don Camera for his insights and passions..and making this work come alive for us today...

  • @DanielRustad
    @DanielRustad 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Oh John, this is wonderful! You constantly open my eyes to new things. Or old in this case. :)

    • @JohnThornton
      @JohnThornton  6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks Daniel! I hadn't seen this before visiting my friend's house. I love it!

  • @c10_c10
    @c10_c10 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fantastic video! Very informative and educational.

  • @elrico1364
    @elrico1364 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    exceptionally beautiful stuff !

  • @PerMoenCaptain
    @PerMoenCaptain 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for a great vid,so inpiriring for me.

  • @rodolfolarrea8493
    @rodolfolarrea8493 ปีที่แล้ว

    he is the funniest guy i have seen in a while … fantastics photographic work

  • @filmic1
    @filmic1 ปีที่แล้ว

    I really enjoyed that. I worked my way through Whelan's 'Alfred Stieglitz, A Biography". This lecture is quite reflective of this. Haven't had the courage to dive into Edward Steichen's tome yet.

  • @jensarne5773
    @jensarne5773 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you very much!

  • @lordoftheflings
    @lordoftheflings 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    wow. fantastic video. Thanks!

  • @oldschoolcollodion
    @oldschoolcollodion 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That digital image with the coal maker, so good

  • @smk1189
    @smk1189 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great Job. Thank you.

  • @JRileyStewart
    @JRileyStewart 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Helpful review. Well done.

  • @samanthacamera1544
    @samanthacamera1544 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is fantastic! I really hope pictorialism is not dead.

  • @arcofprado
    @arcofprado 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    your videos have far to little views. This level of editing and research paired with stunning artwork merit hundreds of thousands of views. Your are creating QUALITY content!!!! Thank you!!!

    • @JohnThornton
      @JohnThornton  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      God bless you Martin, you are far too kind! I love making my movies about art and artists, it is so nice of you to give me some encouragement!

    • @suzannabienkowski2033
      @suzannabienkowski2033 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Absolutely amazing!! Thank you kindly. I remember studying that one b/w photo, where a pepper is portrayed something akin to the human body. Or was it vice versa? Been too long really. Watching this body of work, again and again, I find I can learn something new every single time. I even shared it with others. Great job! Keep up the good work.

  • @BrunoChalifour
    @BrunoChalifour ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great reflection on Pictorialism and above all thank you for all the examples. Probably the first time we are allowed to see so many. But please, write the credits at the bottom of each image and not just a "partial list" at the end that does not mean anything as there is no way for the viewer to associate photograph and photographer. It would show respect to the photographers (and the law) and help educate your audience. Two little things that should be clarified:
    1-Léonard Misonne cannot be "considered one of the inspirers of what would become Pictorialism. He started photography in the 1890s and only dedicated himself to the medium from 1896 on. Julia Margaret Cameron's work had long been known. P.H. Emerson had published "Photography, a Pictorial Art" in 1866. Pictorialist circles had already been created in Austria and Englan in 1891. In fact Misonne learnt part of his technique with French Pictorialist Constant Puyot around 1910 and carbon printing with the renowned Fresson (also in Paris).
    2-John Heartfield's political collages have far more to do with the Russian avant-garde of the 1910s-1920s than any Pictorial influence. Some key arguments are that his work uses collages and not combined printing in the darkroom; it is essentially political (something that almost no Pictorialist was); it is totally anchored in contemporary/modern life (especially politics) which, as presented in this video, was far from most Pictorialists' preoccupations. I would argue that Heartfield's work has simply nothing to do with pictorialism as a current in photography.

  • @geoffreypiltz271
    @geoffreypiltz271 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Landscape remains the single most popular subject among the wider public.

  • @MarylandDroneMedia
    @MarylandDroneMedia 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Beautiful

  • @eljin00
    @eljin00 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Pictorialism is not what the artist envisions but rather what the artist sees.

  • @johnmartin4650
    @johnmartin4650 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent stuff……thank you…..dec. 2022 ..

  • @thomaseriksson6256
    @thomaseriksson6256 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good one thanks

  • @sputumtube
    @sputumtube ปีที่แล้ว

    It's funny that many of these images can be re-created with even the simplest digital photo-software. I once used Arcsoft Photostudio 5 and created some very 'dreamy' images by just slightly 'de-focusing' and adding 'grain'.

  • @PeacePham1991
    @PeacePham1991 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is it accurate to say that most fine art photographers do today is pictorialism? Of course the photos they produce now don't look similar to the pictorialistic photos from back then because we now use different tools and techniques (or use the same techniques but in a different way) but in term of the definition, we also do emphasis on the beauty of the subject, tonality (colors), composition, lighting... rather than just simple documented photographs, or straight-out-of-the-camera photos

  • @mark-de-leeuw
    @mark-de-leeuw 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the end quote ' Pictorialism is far from death'.

    • @suzannabienkowski2033
      @suzannabienkowski2033 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Agree! Most excellent quote, and one that I copied and will cherish, as well as pass on to others.

    • @Moodboard39
      @Moodboard39 ปีที่แล้ว

      Never dead

  • @warpedmotion
    @warpedmotion 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for the intersting video. I am wondering does anyone know who created the image at 6:56 in.

  • @Moodboard39
    @Moodboard39 ปีที่แล้ว

    Abstract, symbolism

  • @HalkerVeil
    @HalkerVeil ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't know why but I feel like I just want to have a beer with these guys.

    • @Moodboard39
      @Moodboard39 ปีที่แล้ว

      No more bud light lol

  • @suzannabienkowski2033
    @suzannabienkowski2033 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    And Luc Sante.

  • @galerie291parisphotographi4
    @galerie291parisphotographi4 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Exposition PICTORIALISME du 27 octobre au 1er décembre du mercredi au samedi de 14h30 à 20h Galerie 291 Paris 32 rue de la Gaité 75014 métro Gaité

  • @sigvardbjorkman
    @sigvardbjorkman 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Photo at 10:11?

    • @sigvardbjorkman
      @sigvardbjorkman 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Any link to a pinterest board of these photos or something like that? Great video by the way!

  • @_H_2023
    @_H_2023 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is what will kill digital photography, the desire to make everything so pin , pin sharp - 13:12

  • @withadogthroughlife903
    @withadogthroughlife903 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Отвратительный голос у рассказчика 😢