If you have ever watched any natural horsemanship videos or any other well known trainers (including anything else of Pat Parelli's), you should know that the "whip" is never ever used to harm the horse, but only as an extension of the arm to increase ease of communication. Tapping it against the ground or twirling it so it makes noise is an extension of the same thing everyone does when they cluck at their horse to encourage movement. It is NOT harming the horse. And it is NOT making the horse afraid. It's a communication tool.
In German we would say: "Und wovon träumst du nachts?" This horse shows several signs of stress, and for sure, this horse does not know that the whip isn't used as a whip. It's used like a whip, it dominates the horse, and there is no communinication - but a one-way-communication - which is nothing else than domination. And it's very far away from principles like "Fairness" or "Friendliness". It's only "fast", firm" and "with focus". How bigoted this is! By the way, that is all negative, not positive reinforcement!
mantisamygdala Would you mind telling us which signs of stress you saw? Because I honstely didn't see a singly one. I saw a horse responding to pressure and release, nice and calmy, with one eye and ear always towards Pat. Of course the whip is used like a whip, it's (as mentioned in the original comment) an extension of the body, so you can put pressure on places further away from you. If you use a whip to hurt or dominate the horse, you're doing it wrong. There is communication - from horse and human. It's just the human doing more of the "active" talking and asking the horse to move. The horse is communicating more passively, she always has an eye on Pat, telling him "I know you're there, you have my attention". At 3:42 Pat isn't clearly asking her to come to the middle, still the horse moves in on him a little bit asking him "Can I come in?". Pat's moving the stick, telling her "Not now, keep moving". There is communication going on, but it seems you only recognize a horses communication as communication when it's negative (Horse being stressed and therefore kicking out, rearing, pinning ears, shaking head etc.). Why do you think this isn't fair or friendly? Neither horse nor human got upset or mad at any point. No one got scared or stressed. The mare seemed to be fine with being asked to move. Pat asked her to move in a calm and clear way, no nagging, pnushing or even hurting the horse. So why isn't this friendly or fair? Negative reinforcement isn't a bad thing, just because it has the word "negative" in it. Negative reinforcement is the most natural thing for the horse, since horses don't reward each other with food or rubs on the withers when a behaviour was right. * Also, since this was a little demo, it would have been very inconvenient to give the horse a treat everytime it does something right. Pat also let's the horse rest at the end and gives her a little rub. A horse should learn to stay focused for a certain amount of time, you don't want your horse to do what you ask him for for 10 seconds and then run off or run you over because he get's so distracted by the smallest things. (You don't have to read this, it's just a personal thought on positive reinforcement) *Personally, I think treats (as an example for positive reinforcement) aren't a good way to reward your horse generally, since the horse learns, that it does things for food, and for food only. Negative reinforcement motivates the horse to think and find a solution to the problem. They are more likely to explore things on their own. The horse learns "oh, that plastic bag isn't going to hurt me, no need to be scared". While with food as motivator the horse learns "I hate this bag, I'm scared of it, but I'm gonna touch it real quick to get my treat". But what are you going to do in a situation, where you have no treats? Is your horse still going to do what you asked for, when it's only motivation is absent? I think positive reinforcement can be a nice thing once in a while, but you shouldn' rely on it. The horse should respect you, not the fact that you can give him food.
True but we should never prposefully slap the whip with our intention and attention on the horse. They have enough pressure just being in the round pen ( a small space where they can get over reactive) so they don't escalate with being around the whip you have to take your attention off of them and get them to understand that action only means something when you have intention.
@@mantisamygdala ich schließ mich DieGinny an. Wo siehst du Stress? Ich seh ein aufmerksames Pferd, das sofort reagiert und gerne tut, was Pat von ihm will. Das Round Pen ist auch niedrig, das Pferd könnte leicht rausspringen, wenn es wollte und sich damit entziehen (sagt Pat ja auch selbst). Gestresste Pferde verhalten sich anders als das Pferd im Video!
of having the time and the gentle hand to do so. I see I was wrong when I replied to Ms. Potterific, but I do not see what is so special about Pat Parelli that separates him from the others who have this bond with their horses all over the world.
It is obvious mr Parelli has spent a lot of time and thought into what he does,any one that calls themselves a horseman knows this,so for anyone out there who thinks this is gimmicky or not real,why don't you post your videos and show us what stars you all are,happy trails,BARRY
Of course he spend a lot time, but still this doesn't make fun (as Parelli says) for the horse. It's just obbidience, stimulus and reation, nothing else, just operant conditioning without any joyful input of the horse. Play is something very different. And Mr. Parelli knows that, but he is not only a master of conditioning horses, but also people
Just read someones comment saying that he's penning the horse and putting it under pressure, there's no partnership here! Firstly, yes the ears are back, but notice there always facing in the direction of the trainer. Horses aren't like dogs, the way he's trained the horse is fine! There is a partnership, but the trainers the boss! I don't get some peoples deal!
A "normal" equestrian. I have spent years with thousands of horse owners. Some can even ride, but very very few know anything about horses and horse behaviour. This is what we can learn from natural horsemen. Where do you live sweetheart, that "normal equestrians" have this type of relationship with their horses....cause I sure want to move there!
My experience with the Parelli Horse & Soul Tour Rancho Murieta 2013 was horrible. Cost me hundreds of dollars to bring my invited wild horse endangering me and my horse, only to be sent home immediately. They had no intentions of using him to begin with. They had a promoter yapping in my ear as my horse was being loaded to go home. Return tomorrow as a VIP is what I was told. Cost me over 700$ and was treated horribly. Then removed from Parelli connect for telling my story
the string on her neck is a drive line any cues made behind the drive line means go forward and the cues in front of the drive line mean go backwards, it is just a reference.
I think he likes my shampoo, he doesn't bite me, he smells my hair and my feet I slice apples, he takes small bites. Doesn't bite me. He eats some grain from my hand.Never biting. I watch your sight
It was so natural with us I had to have surgery and gave her back, we both cried, she turned around in 1 horse trailer to look at me. I love horses, I want my Scooter to be kind, gentle but listens to me Strength and gentle.
yo estoy en españa mi hijo hace salto esta saltando 1,20 con tu cabezada parelli y le va bien pero dice que se la tiene que apretar un poco mas de la cuenta y le roza un poco seria mejor dejarsela mas floja para esta disciplina gracias
Much prefer watching Alizee Froment or Frederic Pignon with their horses, which have so much expression, joy of movement, and love in what they're doing. Pat looks like he's having fun here. But the horse, not so much.
I'm sorry but you need to emphasize what you want from the horse more. you see how he hesitated a bit towards the end? it's because he was confused. I met this "trainer" who trained with you supposedly. I watched her work with a horse and watched the horse step all over her. she asked her to move off and the horse went so slowly and so disrespectful. what exactly do you teach your students?
Not hitting the horse does not mean there is no force used... Penning the horse so it can not get away and then putting it under immense pressure IS forceful! Horses are very sensible to body language and everything he does in this video is telling the horse to move away from him - which it does. Look at the horses ears, tail and face: There is no "partnership", no "trust", just a horse under pressure...
I don't think you understand horses bud. Not even a huge parelli fan but that's how you lunge a horse. Putting pressure isn't hurtful it tells the horse what you want form it. What you are describing is a confused horse that doesn't know what you want from it.
Let him try that with a horse at liberty and everybody could see through NHS methods and realize what they really are - just a nice wrapping for another forcefull horse training system designed to make money... All this talk about dominance, being the "alpha" e.g. is based on outdated assumptions. Behavioural science has moved on and so should horse people to achieve a REAL partnership with their horses.
a carrot stick is to cue, if you cue and they don't listen then sometimes it calls for a gentle whack, it can be used as a whip but that is not it's purpose.
I'm sorry but you need to emphasize what you want from the horse more. you see how he hesitated a bit towards the end? it's because he was confused. I met this "trainer" who trained with you supposedly. I watched her work with a horse and watched the horse step all over her. she asked her to move off and the horse went so slowly and so disrespectful. what exactly do you teach your students?
i think you are just jelous that he has a bond with his horse and it wasnt hesitaion it was her thinking so if you knew you wernt going to agree then why did you click on the video i have a horse trained by him and she is a level 2 dressage and we jump 5 foot
Mr. Parelli you fantastic istructor.
You Number One.
That was beautiful 👍
You two are dancing in silence. A beautiful thing to watch.
Fantastici, Pat & Mango regalete vere emozioni... Grazie!!!
Very relaxing music and wonderful video
THIS IS "IT". I NEED A PLACE.
Thanks 🕊
Smooth flowing dance ❤️
This is my all-time favorite Parelli video.
I chose to b natural w/my horse long time ago & thanks 2 Pat & Linda i found that natural partnership & a bond that never can b broken!!
If you have ever watched any natural horsemanship videos or any other well known trainers (including anything else of Pat Parelli's), you should know that the "whip" is never ever used to harm the horse, but only as an extension of the arm to increase ease of communication. Tapping it against the ground or twirling it so it makes noise is an extension of the same thing everyone does when they cluck at their horse to encourage movement. It is NOT harming the horse. And it is NOT making the horse afraid. It's a communication tool.
In German we would say: "Und wovon träumst du nachts?" This horse shows several signs of stress, and for sure, this horse does not know that the whip isn't used as a whip. It's used like a whip, it dominates the horse, and there is no communinication - but a one-way-communication - which is nothing else than domination. And it's very far away from principles like "Fairness" or "Friendliness". It's only "fast", firm" and "with focus". How bigoted this is! By the way, that is all negative, not positive reinforcement!
mantisamygdala
Would you mind telling us which signs of stress you saw? Because I honstely didn't see a singly one. I saw a horse responding to pressure and release, nice and calmy, with one eye and ear always towards Pat.
Of course the whip is used like a whip, it's (as mentioned in the original comment) an extension of the body, so you can put pressure on places further away from you. If you use a whip to hurt or dominate the horse, you're doing it wrong.
There is communication - from horse and human. It's just the human doing more of the "active" talking and asking the horse to move. The horse is communicating more passively, she always has an eye on Pat, telling him "I know you're there, you have my attention". At 3:42 Pat isn't clearly asking her to come to the middle, still the horse moves in on him a little bit asking him "Can I come in?". Pat's moving the stick, telling her "Not now, keep moving". There is communication going on, but it seems you only recognize a horses communication as communication when it's negative (Horse being stressed and therefore kicking out, rearing, pinning ears, shaking head etc.).
Why do you think this isn't fair or friendly? Neither horse nor human got upset or mad at any point. No one got scared or stressed. The mare seemed to be fine with being asked to move. Pat asked her to move in a calm and clear way, no nagging, pnushing or even hurting the horse. So why isn't this friendly or fair?
Negative reinforcement isn't a bad thing, just because it has the word "negative" in it. Negative reinforcement is the most natural thing for the horse, since horses don't reward each other with food or rubs on the withers when a behaviour was right. *
Also, since this was a little demo, it would have been very inconvenient to give the horse a treat everytime it does something right. Pat also let's the horse rest at the end and gives her a little rub.
A horse should learn to stay focused for a certain amount of time, you don't want your horse to do what you ask him for for 10 seconds and then run off or run you over because he get's so distracted by the smallest things.
(You don't have to read this, it's just a personal thought on positive reinforcement)
*Personally, I think treats (as an example for positive reinforcement) aren't a good way to reward your horse generally, since the horse learns, that it does things for food, and for food only. Negative reinforcement motivates the horse to think and find a solution to the problem. They are more likely to explore things on their own. The horse learns "oh, that plastic bag isn't going to hurt me, no need to be scared". While with food as motivator the horse learns "I hate this bag, I'm scared of it, but I'm gonna touch it real quick to get my treat".
But what are you going to do in a situation, where you have no treats? Is your horse still going to do what you asked for, when it's only motivation is absent? I think positive reinforcement can be a nice thing once in a while, but you shouldn' rely on it. The horse should respect you, not the fact that you can give him food.
DieGinny well stated and I concur fully thank you
True but we should never prposefully slap the whip with our intention and attention on the horse. They have enough pressure just being in the round pen ( a small space where they can get over reactive) so they don't escalate with being around the whip you have to take your attention off of them and get them to understand that action only means something when you have intention.
@@mantisamygdala ich schließ mich DieGinny an. Wo siehst du Stress? Ich seh ein aufmerksames Pferd, das sofort reagiert und gerne tut, was Pat von ihm will. Das Round Pen ist auch niedrig, das Pferd könnte leicht rausspringen, wenn es wollte und sich damit entziehen (sagt Pat ja auch selbst). Gestresste Pferde verhalten sich anders als das Pferd im Video!
The truth CAN be beautiful. 😊
that was a feast for my eyes. thank you Pat.
Wow wunderschön
I am sorry but what the hell is wrong with the 16 people who disliked this? It's beautiful!
Pat Parelli number one.
of having the time and the gentle hand to do so. I see I was wrong when I replied to Ms. Potterific, but I do not see what is so special about Pat Parelli that separates him from the others who have this bond with their horses all over the world.
Just wonderful! Love this.
Dancing With The Stars contenders!!!
What a beautiful horse !!
Que bárbaro !!! Este hombre es un artista !!!
Enjoyed this video
I love your technique. Gentle.
It is obvious mr Parelli has spent a lot of time and thought into what he does,any one that calls themselves a horseman knows this,so for anyone out there who thinks this is gimmicky or not real,why don't you post your videos and show us what stars you all are,happy trails,BARRY
Of course he spend a lot time, but still this doesn't make fun (as Parelli says) for the horse. It's just obbidience, stimulus and reation, nothing else, just operant conditioning without any joyful input of the horse. Play is something very different. And Mr. Parelli knows that, but he is not only a master of conditioning horses, but also people
wow thats so amazing
Pat Parelli
MERCI !!!
Who said cowboys can't dance? This was an equine ballet...stunning.
wow.! *-* Parelli ist the best :)
Super ! quelle osmose !!
we love you and your happy horses!
Georgous horse!
BRAVO !!
One thing I give props to John Lyons for..its that he can do all this...without the sticks.
He's so gentle, it's no wonder why it's easy for the horse to hear him
Me encantan los animales, son maravillosos, mas de lo que a veces pensamos.
I have this mare's younger daughter and son. Not to mention granddaughters.
Caton Parelli with a last name like that I don’t doubt it lol
Just read someones comment saying that he's penning the horse and putting it under pressure, there's no partnership here! Firstly, yes the ears are back, but notice there always facing in the direction of the trainer. Horses aren't like dogs, the way he's trained the horse is fine! There is a partnership, but the trainers the boss! I don't get some peoples deal!
beautiful (:
she is gorgeous =D
wow...!
Nice
Sally Powers, with time and effort, anyone can achieve this with their horse. It's the matter
🤠
A "normal" equestrian. I have spent years with thousands of horse owners. Some can even ride, but very very few know anything about horses and horse behaviour. This is what we can learn from natural horsemen. Where do you live sweetheart, that "normal equestrians" have this type of relationship with their horses....cause I sure want to move there!
Does anyone know what size round pen he's using?
@broccoliisagoon he called it a carrot stick. Its just a stick with string on it.
This all looks really pretty.. and I was wondering what race that horse is, it looks like a Quarter Horse to me o.o
TanteGeit that would be breed not race lol
And to ms potterific he does hit his tail once and his hind once also
My experience with the Parelli Horse & Soul Tour Rancho Murieta 2013 was horrible. Cost me hundreds of dollars to bring my invited wild horse endangering me and my horse, only to be sent home immediately. They had no intentions of using him to begin with. They had a promoter yapping in my ear as my horse was being loaded to go home. Return tomorrow as a VIP is what I was told. Cost me over 700$ and was treated horribly. Then removed from Parelli connect for telling my story
So you passed up a VIP pass for you and your horse to attend a Parelli session, and you think you were horribly treated?
The training is outstanding but b honest how many by a horse to dance 💃 with how practical is that for a horses intended purpose 🤷🏽♂️
Mango looks exactly like my horse Tilly :)
What I get out of this is that the horse is right-bended and can't travel fluently to the left but Pat PArelli doesn't seem to be aware of it
Why is he so special? He does every thing a normal equestrian will do. Executive we don't make the horses annoyed.
@broccoliisagoon You obviously fail to see the point of the carrot stick...
Is Mango a Mustang? I noticed the tie around his/her neck.. Just wondering.
the string on her neck is a drive line any cues made behind the drive line means go forward and the cues in front of the drive line mean go backwards, it is just a reference.
I have a 2 yr
Old gelding. I just got him paid for
1/2 appoloosa 1/2 quarter horse, no spots yet.
Have not gotten much socialization. I want to spend more time with him.
I think he likes my shampoo, he doesn't bite me, he smells my hair and my feet
I slice apples, he takes small bites. Doesn't bite me. He eats some grain from my hand.Never biting. I watch your sight
I've done a lot of your things when I had a bucking mares lil 3 month filly
Desensitization was easy with her. I called her Baby Girl.
It was so natural with us
I had to have surgery and gave her back, we both cried, she turned around in 1 horse trailer to look at me. I love horses, I want my Scooter to be kind, gentle but listens to me
Strength and gentle.
A vy si jako myslíte, že to koně baví, když ho od sebe pořád odháníte?!
yo estoy en españa mi hijo hace salto esta saltando 1,20 con tu cabezada parelli y le va bien pero dice que se la tiene que apretar un poco mas de la cuenta y le roza un poco seria mejor dejarsela mas floja para esta disciplina gracias
does anyone know, how long it took him to come to this level with mango?
"IT DEPENDS ". 🙃 "USUALLY "
WITHIN MINUTES. 👣🤝🐴
@wolfsvain2 dressage whip* not a carrot stick.
is she a baby?
I'm sorry but you need to emphasize what you want from the horse more. you see how he hesitated a bit towards the end? it's because he was confused.
SunnyReflector lol you should upload a video of your the horse you trained doing this so we know exactly what you mean
@broccoliisagoon I met john lyons in january...he used carrot sticks in his clinic and sold his own...
Much prefer watching Alizee Froment or Frederic Pignon with their horses, which have so much expression, joy of movement, and love in what they're doing. Pat looks like he's having fun here. But the horse, not so much.
mini pannels? or is that just me...
I'm sorry but you need to emphasize what you want from the horse more. you see how he hesitated a bit towards the end? it's because he was confused. I met this "trainer" who trained with you supposedly. I watched her work with a horse and watched the horse step all over her. she asked her to move off and the horse went so slowly and so disrespectful. what exactly do you teach your students?
Not fun for the horse
wow the backdrop is amazing .. as for as the dance .. not a fan
Not hitting the horse does not mean there is no force used... Penning the horse so it can not get away and then putting it under immense pressure IS forceful! Horses are very sensible to body language and everything he does in this video is telling the horse to move away from him - which it does. Look at the horses ears, tail and face: There is no "partnership", no "trust", just a horse under pressure...
MrBeutelbuch you have no idea what your talking about.
I don't think you understand horses bud. Not even a huge parelli fan but that's how you lunge a horse. Putting pressure isn't hurtful it tells the horse what you want form it. What you are describing is a confused horse that doesn't know what you want from it.
Let him try that with a horse at liberty and everybody could see through NHS methods and realize what they really are - just a nice wrapping for another forcefull horse training system designed to make money...
All this talk about dominance, being the "alpha" e.g. is based on outdated assumptions. Behavioural science has moved on and so should horse people to achieve a REAL partnership with their horses.
@kellyybells I know the point of the stick. I dont agree with it.
a carrot stick is to cue, if you cue and they don't listen then sometimes it calls for a gentle whack, it can be used as a whip but that is not it's purpose.
I'm sorry but you need to emphasize what you want from the horse more. you see how he hesitated a bit towards the end? it's because he was confused. I met this "trainer" who trained with you supposedly. I watched her work with a horse and watched the horse step all over her. she asked her to move off and the horse went so slowly and so disrespectful. what exactly do you teach your students?
i think you are just jelous that he has a bond with his horse and it wasnt hesitaion it was her thinking so if you knew you wernt going to agree then why did you click on the video i have a horse trained by him and she is a level 2 dressage and we jump 5 foot