Will Brexit Stop at the Irish Border? | The Dispatch

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  • @MRTN13
    @MRTN13 5 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    I liked his lame joke about three guys going to a bar. Lame jokes are cool

    • @Zhiperser
      @Zhiperser 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Welshman wasn't even invited.

  • @reakwon693
    @reakwon693 5 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    As someone who spend a semester in Ireland, I gotta say thanks for the subtitles 😅

    • @arconte2100
      @arconte2100 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I always want subtitles.

    • @yaboyjay7202
      @yaboyjay7202 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Interesting. I'm German, but I love the Irish accent and only struggle with understanding older people. Guess I'm lucky :D

    • @utubefreshie
      @utubefreshie 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's so interesting. As an American, aside from the Irish accent sounding so "sing-song" (for lack of a better adjective), in some ways it sounds like the closest to an American accent to me. Like they pronounce their Rs softly like we do here. I think a Scottish accent is harder to understand (try watching Trainspotting with no subtitles and you get what I mean). 😂

    • @lenblack1462
      @lenblack1462 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@utubefreshie Australian is easier to understand.

    • @utubefreshie
      @utubefreshie 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      There's some weird accents here in the States too. Have you all heard a real Bawlmer (Baltimore) accent? Watch The Wire and it sounds like a foreign language! Lol

  • @dasaggropop1244
    @dasaggropop1244 5 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    brexit might very well turn out to be the single dumbest thing a country has ever done to itself.

    • @Pkia-tm7gw
      @Pkia-tm7gw 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No outsiders left to fight with,so they fall out with each other!
      Sad!

    • @kenperry6379
      @kenperry6379 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Viva brexit its the best thing for Britain before full control comes in

  • @Michael-jh9fd
    @Michael-jh9fd 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Most British people are ignorant about Irish history in general, myself included. My view is if the majority in NI want to be part of ROI, then they should be. This Brexit border issue has opened the eyes of many people in the UK as to what the DUP and the Unionists believe.

    • @kenperry6379
      @kenperry6379 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The problem you have are the bigots on both sides and that the protestands do not want to come under catholic rules

  • @matthewkearney833
    @matthewkearney833 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Second referendum with the two options being May’s deal or remain. This can’t go on forever

  • @tomwilson5108
    @tomwilson5108 5 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    It's either a United Ireland or No brexit. You can't have brexit and there not be a border.

    • @walden6272
      @walden6272 5 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      United Ireland sounds like the best option. UK gets Brexit and Ireland is whole again and remains in EU.

    • @utubefreshie
      @utubefreshie 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes, I was wondering about that... Can't Ireland be a whole Ireland again? I'm fully aware of the long history of conflict between the Catholics and Protestants but it seems that a whole generation has moved on from it so maybe now it's possible...same way it happened for Germany...

    • @utubefreshie
      @utubefreshie 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @bucketsandshims As a UK-loving American anglophile, it's really sad to see the UK disintegrate like this. Brexit really confuses me and I don't get it. As an American, it almost feels like watching your parents divorce. 😂

    • @utubefreshie
      @utubefreshie 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @bucketsandshims Yes, even with my limited knowledge and understanding of N. Ireland history, I agree with you!

    • @maxisussex
      @maxisussex 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      But there will be a border if there is a hard brexit, there is no way of avoiding it.

  • @nopasanada5498
    @nopasanada5498 5 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I watched a Guardian video about Brexit and N Ireland and this same group of boys was interviewed. Lol don't tell me they're the only ones who have an opinion...

  • @dkelban
    @dkelban 5 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Old divisions and grudges, and the inability to take both sides needs into account make me think only one thing: boy, are we ever a stupid species

    • @nurlindafsihotang49
      @nurlindafsihotang49 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      1st thing i realized when i was 3 years old. I am a member of the most idiotic dangerous species of the earth.
      Give me nightmares for days at that time. Now, i just hoping when human finally blow up this planet, i'm long gone.

    • @dkelban
      @dkelban 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Nurlinda F Sihotang : AMEN, God, if you’re up there, please send the next asteroid...let the cockroaches take over, they can’t do any worse

    • @mjw12345
      @mjw12345 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sorry, wrong interpretation! Wonderful progress in many respect the past 20 years but London, totally thoughtless about their Northern Ireland colony, declare Brexit.
      "..the inability to take both sides needs into account.." - not sure what you mean. Every sector in Northern Ireland is opposed to Brexit, industry, farming, young people, universities...yet the DUP which had only the support of 28% of the NI population is determining the fate of NI but as Nicola Sturgeon pointed out this afternoon, Scotland as well. And 28% is less than 300,000 people!.

  • @KevinPeffley
    @KevinPeffley 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Northern Ireland voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU by nearly 56%, and Scotland voted even even more strongly to remain by 62%. Overall GB voted to leave 51.9% to 48.1%. It’s self evident that those who voted to leave were not aware of how complex it would be to follow through with that decision, as May’s government has been working diligently for two years to make it happen, yet there seems to be no end in sight for those efforts. It is unclear how another vote would help, as another vote to leave would only keep the status quo, which is a mess. A vote to remain would relieve May’s government, but would likely alienate many who would still want to leave. Remaining may be a happier ending if GB could negotiate and change EU policies that caused them to take a vote in the first place. Whether that is possible is a mystery.

    • @bt2555
      @bt2555 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      56% is not overwhelming. If it was 80% or above you could call it overwhelming. Its a pretty narrow margin.

    • @johncgibson4720
      @johncgibson4720 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      How UK became part of EU in the first place is bizarre to everyone outside the europe. No one outside the european continent thinks for a second that the the UK belongs to the EU. Should the Queen curtsy the EU commissioner, or the EU commissioner curtsy the Queen? How does that even work? Are EU citizens subjects of the Queen now? Is the sovereign Queen not sovereign any more? UK having a trade relation with EU, maybe. UK belonging to EU, what ?!

    • @KevinPeffley
      @KevinPeffley 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Too Day, perhaps you’re right. But in the USA we are so tightly polarized that even a 2% or 3% difference seems to be a clear winner. Next time I’ll choose my words better.

    • @KevinPeffley
      @KevinPeffley 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Kevin Duggan, no disrespect intended. Just presenting the facts with as little spin as possible. You’re right, though. I have no understanding of Social Credit Systems nor how that would affect elites. Please educate me.

    • @KevinPeffley
      @KevinPeffley 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Kevin Duggan, the Electoral College is what gave us Donald Trump. The popular vote went for Hillary Clinton. The Electoral College seems well intentioned, as it was supposed to guard against populism, though I doubt it has ever really had that effect. Rural states have the edge here because Electoral votes count more heavily in less populous states. Hillary won the more populated urban cities, but Trump won the rural areas.

  • @avalondreaming1433
    @avalondreaming1433 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I think Ireland should be united, one country

    • @JC-co1sq
      @JC-co1sq 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      No chance, born British and we will die British🇬🇧

  • @simonweaver9000
    @simonweaver9000 5 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    I swear Ive seen that punk band used on a guardian video as well. Anywhere but Westminster....

  • @veritasexperience7765
    @veritasexperience7765 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Press 1:30 for half a second of Dolores O'Riordan.

  • @hopperthemarxist8533
    @hopperthemarxist8533 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    when you walk into sections of belfast with lots of protestants the murals are guns, the confederate flag, and swastikas... when you walk into catholic neighborhoods its gandhi, martin luther king, and peace murals --- think Im lying? google it that should tell you all you need to know about who is in the right in this conflict...

    • @johnnydean4846
      @johnnydean4846 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      no offence, not sure if you're a young, naive or just plain ignorant, but as someone from the place with those walls (Belfast) I have to say its a lot more complex than black and white, good vs bad or who is right and who is wrong, especially if you're basing your support and judgements of a 400 year+ ongoing conflict based on who has the better paintings on brick walls... your stance is ludicrous to say the least, so instead of google street view into working class communities, I suggest you read Irish and British history books, it should tell you all you need to know about why we in Belfast live in such division.

    • @starry99
      @starry99 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Obviously you’re not from Northern Ireland.

    • @j.b.2263
      @j.b.2263 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@johnnydean4846
      As if British history books ever tell the whole truth about anything.

    • @johnnydean4846
      @johnnydean4846 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      of which I have also stated to read an Irish history book alongside a British one, so people can get BOTH sides of history, not just one perspective, but two.@@j.b.2263

    • @j.b.2263
      @j.b.2263 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@johnnydean4846
      Ireland and the world have also been ingluenced through British history books and what hollywood shows based in that history.
      Remember when I was searching up info for the Englidh Armada and could hardly find any, even if it was a larger disaster than the spanish one.

  • @Thimes123
    @Thimes123 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Man, i am not even irish or scottish and i feel mad about this. I certainly wouldn't want another country to be making decisions for mine, especially if their decisions are going to affect us the worst.

    • @decclaws
      @decclaws 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      The brits only see other points of view when they are forced to

    • @maxisussex
      @maxisussex 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      NI isn't a country, it is a province that is part of the UK. Nobody else views them as British, and nobody really cares about NI. To English people, the place is so irrelevant it may as well not even exist. There was a poll among Brexit supporters that showed they would happily trade NI for Brexit. Nobody wants them, and that is a big irony, neither does Ireland. They can't afford to subsidise a parasitic province like the UK has to.

    • @ShrunkedDude
      @ShrunkedDude 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's a joke, English people have barely any knowledge about Scotland and Northern Ireland and still beg to dictate us.

  • @vishalpanwar9914
    @vishalpanwar9914 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I vote No Brexit 👍

    • @anthonytaylor3989
      @anthonytaylor3989 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I vote brexit 1-1 looks like another referendum 🤔

  • @brendaprai5183
    @brendaprai5183 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Yankees, you have lazy ears! I'm from Canada and I could follow what the interviewees were saying without the subtitles. Com'on now!

  • @aine7173
    @aine7173 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Reps from the irish government went to london b4 the referendum to leave to discuss northern ireland and the border and no one would see them. Someone even commented at the time to them whats that got to do with leaving the eu. I remember reading about it in the irish paper b4 the result and the irish politican saying he didnt know who to be more scared for Ireland or England. How is it possible to do something of that level and be so stupid about what its going to affect.

  • @joprocter4573
    @joprocter4573 ปีที่แล้ว

    Since when has the opionon of pub dwellers been following events

  • @hannahtlol1
    @hannahtlol1 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm seeing all these comments about how Northern Ireland should just join with the republic but as a Catholic in Northern Ireland, I'm here to say its simply not that easy. Our government known as stormont, which has failed to come to agreement and therefore is not even running, has two main parties DUP and Sinn Fein'. DUP, whom are the unionist party, are slightly bigger than the nationalist party, Sinn Fein. DUP wish to uphold the state of Northern Ireland and are for Brexit and against a United Ireland. They are in Westminster working with May. However, Sinn Fein, due to the fact that they have to swear and oath to the Queen, refuse to take their place in Westminster, leaving the Catholics of Northern Ireland unrepresented in Brexit and support United Ireland. These two uncooperative halves make it virtually impossible for anything progressive to take place as there are split sides to this backwards country today. Even after 30 years of war, they cant get it together and work it out. That stubbornness is the downfall of the country, no matter whose side your on. And in reference to a United Ireland, the good Friday agreement gives nationalists the right to have Irish citizenship and unionists the right to a British one. To join with the republic would in turn, take away a right of unionists, although it helps nationalists. There are many quandaries like this that stop any progress in northern Ireland as one side will always have a problem and the other side will have their problem solved.

  • @dkelban
    @dkelban 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What band is playing? They’re good

  • @NxDoyle
    @NxDoyle 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I saw this weeks ago somewhere else.

    • @brendaprai5183
      @brendaprai5183 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      The Guardian: Anywhere but Westminster.

  • @soomro2002
    @soomro2002 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I don't see any disturbing thing in this case can anyone guys..

  • @Sleepflowrr
    @Sleepflowrr 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    And Wales?

    • @joshuapeters567
      @joshuapeters567 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      🙄

    • @fiftyfive16
      @fiftyfive16 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wales is pretty much England

    • @dub_cub8936
      @dub_cub8936 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Everyone everywhere hates the welsh

    • @maxisussex
      @maxisussex 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      And wales live in the ocean. I think one lives just to the west of England, but I've never seen it.

    • @dwaynewatts8272
      @dwaynewatts8272 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The welsh isn't hated as much as the english.

  • @IamWoodstaman
    @IamWoodstaman 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Joke about Brexit at the start was funny, but also wrong by omission. The Joke should be "the Englishman and the Welshmen want to leave, so the Scottish man and the Northern Irishman have to leave."

  • @user-xk2st7fd1f
    @user-xk2st7fd1f 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The editing in this video..... why was it like this....... why

  • @Pkia-tm7gw
    @Pkia-tm7gw 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sort this mess out among yourselves!
    Our members have been waiting long enough!
    The Hi - Ace vans are tuned up & full to the brim with Aggie diesel !
    C & E get ready ! The Boys are back in business freewheelin' from 'Blayney into 'Cross!
    Keep her lit boys,no sound as sweet as Whisky bottles rattling in the back of a Hi - Ace & Sunday Mornin' Comin' Down on the stereo!

  • @jimmydroid7838
    @jimmydroid7838 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What's the craic?

    • @johnmcgibbon1403
      @johnmcgibbon1403 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hi Jimmy, If you asking for real ? The Craic is the social life / Nightlife etc.

    • @kanewalsh3603
      @kanewalsh3603 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Craic is a word in the Irish language that in English means fun

    • @jimmydroid7838
      @jimmydroid7838 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Got it. Thanks

  • @JC-co1sq
    @JC-co1sq 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Born British and we will die British, long live ulster🇬🇧

  • @hopperthemarxist8533
    @hopperthemarxist8533 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    theres no guarantee a second referendum would give people a rejection of brexit -- british conservatives will probably pass another one

  • @MrEmultigroove
    @MrEmultigroove 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So if Ireland remains in the EU but keeps a open boarder with N-Ireland. Whats stops import - export and Immigrants from entering GB through Ireland? 🤔

    • @lorraine3855
      @lorraine3855 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      .

    • @maxisussex
      @maxisussex 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lorraine3855 Because the goods would be designated as having come from the Republic of Ireland and would, therefore, be subject to tariffs.

    • @j.b.2263
      @j.b.2263 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@maxisussex
      How do you tariff something you dont control?

    • @maxisussex
      @maxisussex 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@j.b.2263 You would add tariffs to any trade going from NI to GB.
      So NI would trade tariff free with ROI and the rest of Europe, but trade entering the UK would be subject to tariffs. That is why the Tories will never consent to a permanent backstop.

    • @decclaws
      @decclaws 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      They would if the eu changed it's name to uk

  • @AlladinMclovin2334
    @AlladinMclovin2334 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    What happened to the Welsh man?.

    • @WhatChaMaCalum
      @WhatChaMaCalum 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He was at home shagging his sheep...

  • @willjamesb
    @willjamesb 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    #INDYREF2

  • @chrisconnor8086
    @chrisconnor8086 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    FREEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOM

  • @Starlesslemon
    @Starlesslemon 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Brexit is good for Britain. The reunification of Ireland is good for the Irish. Don't become subservient like Scots.

  • @sbkpilot1
    @sbkpilot1 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    why is it a problem if there is a hard border? I would imagine Irish citizens on both sides will still be allowed through with minimal trouble, a very minor inconvenience. Perhaps it's more of a symbolic significance of the past than anything else.

    • @lenblack1462
      @lenblack1462 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Customs delays, import duties, etc. Just more headaches.

    • @grandmavodka
      @grandmavodka 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nope - you'll literally need something like a green card to travel back and forth over the border. It's not just an "inconvenience", also Northern Ireland would have gotten a substantial amount of funding from the EU. Also, we really should not undermine the symbolic significance of it. Even if it doesn't seem like a big deal to outsiders, to people living in the North that consider themselves Irish - who have been subjected to decades of violence and oppression - to be cut off from the Republic in this way is not just a minor inconvenience. I live 20 minutes from the border, and I work with people from the North who travel back and forth every day to our office, a lot of them by public transport - will people need green cards to get on a train to the south? Will they be let in? There are so many unanswered questions

    • @taintabird23
      @taintabird23 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Have you taken a look at the British border in Ireland up close? You can drive from Dundalk to Monaghan - both towns in the Republic of Ireland - and cross the border 4 times.
      In other places the border runs through villages, farms, business forecourts, and buildings. It has more crossings - the Irish military has put it at over 300 - than the entire eastern border of the EU. During the Troubles, tens of thousands of soldiers could not seal the border.
      A hard border is no minor inconvenience.

    • @maxisussex
      @maxisussex 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@grandmavodka Not true at all. The UK and Ireland have a common travel area, citizens of both countries can live and work freely in the other, and be treated the same as citizens. There has never been the need for travel documents, and that will continue.

  • @TipseyTiger1996
    @TipseyTiger1996 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    3:28, what a sod. Talk about national identity

    • @taintabird23
      @taintabird23 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Read Article 2 of the Irish Constitution 'The Nation'.

  • @wolfblitzer1981
    @wolfblitzer1981 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm from n Ireland and I can tell you this is a strange little country made up of strange little people

    • @starry99
      @starry99 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      wolf blitzer same, isn’t it just

  • @markelliott5584
    @markelliott5584 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Am and Elliott therefore, when I found my way from the Ulster Plantation County Fermanagh into what is now Scotland, found after we migrated into Tullykelter, Fermanagh, banish from both kingdoms, in 1607, family of Gorrenberry, left behind was genocide by James VI of Scotland becoming James I of England also, and their peel toward at Gorrenberry just east of The Hermitage Castle which the Elliot soldiered for Mary Stuart Catholic Queen of Scots. Today the Scottish puppet of the UK Nicola Sturgeon and the Scottish Ministry is desecrating the my family's ancestral land by planning to build a wind farm. First they genocide my family of Elliot then they genocide our history. The flag of the United Kingdom is similar to the Nazi flag to the Jews of Germany. Us borderers are of family an my family is of the Middle March, Armstrong, Elliott, Nixon, and Crozier. On July 20th when an Armstrong of County Fermanagh, Ulster, and Langholm on the border stepped on the moon, a US President Nixon of County Tyrone, Ulster, with a Milhaus Scottish place name as a middle name watched him take that first step. Of family and of the borders, and we need no more borders especial between England and Scotland and Ulster Plantation and the rest of Ireland.

  • @MsDinoGal
    @MsDinoGal 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well if the 22-year olds don't like it...

  • @wojeff
    @wojeff 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Are people really that stupid to not know that you had an open border and quasi-common citizenship Common Travel Area with Ireland, Isle of Man and the Channel Islands and are outside the open border of the EU Schengen Area and enjoyed EU common citizenship? You have commitments outside the EU because your still a sovereign nation... hello?

  • @barwryofficials6271
    @barwryofficials6271 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Time until you guys update me here like gorgeous

  • @Bangash-qi8iu
    @Bangash-qi8iu 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    balls

  • @tigredanslacage
    @tigredanslacage 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Drink, sing and sleep, and let London taxpayers take care of your debauchery

  • @jeffbrewster6658
    @jeffbrewster6658 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Don’t ever give up your day jobs boys .

  • @johncgibson4720
    @johncgibson4720 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Irish people's capital is Boston. This documentary makes no sense at all.

    • @maxisussex
      @maxisussex 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Boston is home to plastic Paddies, the non-plastic variety lives on the other side of the Atlantic.

  • @bh1935
    @bh1935 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Compare school kids in London to Northern Ireland. London is not even majority European anymore.

  • @asanulsterman1025
    @asanulsterman1025 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm not surprised the Touts don't know all of Londonderry, their bitter fundamentalist opinions are not welcome, too many deaths to forgive.

    • @BB-nd1rp
      @BB-nd1rp 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The irony of your comment is laughable