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- Watch two Iraqi Air force MiG-25s, NATO callsign 'Foxbats' duke it out with United States Air Force F-15C Eagles over Iraq. This video has some strange twists, weapon failures and a damaged fighter.
I'd say the Foxbats won that round. Now maybe if as-Samarrai didn't maneuver, there may have been an F-15 shot down that day. Or maybe it was and the U.S. covered it up. Conspiracy time!
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You guys are still here? Cool. I wanna re do this so it doesn't look so overly saturated.
This whole engagement was a bruh moment
Hehemann vs as-Samarrai... I mean, what kinda names are these? 😂
Hard to believe that during the Cold War, the USAF could maintain air superiority with missiles as unreliable as the AIM-7 Sparrow (Dodo).
It was Coca Cola that maintaind that air supriority at the cold war.
@@ВааВап he’s probably talking about late Cold War. The sparrow didn’t exist back then
jack sparrow did
They weren't fighting first tier forces and they had control of the electronic battle space.
The missile failures made it seem like they were using the early ones from the 60s
The aim7's werent too reliable during their service and couldnt operate in extreme temperatures, like the hot deserts in the middle east.
seyemun oh makes sense
The DOM’s on some of them we sent from Kelly were from the late 60’s.
seyemun wasn’t this in January?!! It is very cold in the desert during winter, besides... they are 40k feet AGL, it’s -50 C wherever you are on the planet!
@@darhammora7867 Yup, as i said extreme temperatures. So cold temps as well.
Engines actually run worse on cold climates than in hot climate, due to fins freezing and engines not igniting.
I think after three dud missiles I'd make sure I found a fourth from a competing manufacturer and launch it into the company headquarters for the maker of the duds...That is completely inexcusable!
The US MIC at its best.
The Soviet ones seemed to work.
@@thethirdman225 Eh, they were even worse!
@@tempest411 No, they seem to have worked.
Man just stood still even his missiles failed him and his engines are already damaged, very ballsy move
When your wingman is He-Man...
Not sure if you have done a video on this already, but a video on the f16 pilots that dodged 6 SAMs would be a good video! I think a few went down as well.
Amazing to see even simulated foxbats ,massive chunky machines HUGE engine's 🤟💯🤠🤟🇺🇲
This is a great reenactment of that engagement. Can you do one of the Mig-25 intercept of the US Navy F-18 piloted by Scott Speicher on Jan. 17, 1991?
4 U.S. F-15Cs vs 2 Iraqi MiG-29s Gulf War | DCS World Re-enactment in that video at the end it shows the Mig-25 intercept of the US Navy F-18 piloted by Scott Speicher.
I thought Speicher was shot down by a MANPAD or SAM?
Nope, it was a Foxbat that shot him down
@@mauricehinton5889 اسقطة طيار عراقي بطائرة mig 25 الساعة 2صباحا فوق الانبار
@@billfish6244 Lol, is this a certain Arab nationalist that writes book disproving all USAF air kills under a pseudonym. Wouldn't be you right?
Must be frustrating for a pilot to be in a position to shoot his missiles and they don’t work.
Pretty cool. I'm a Mission Crew Commander Air Battle Manager on AWACS.
THAT"S pretty cool.
This was one time the USAF didn't haveAEW&C/ C3 and jamming support, so the stakes were basically even.
I never knew about this one. If someone found wreckage, Iraqis had to have taken a pic or took some of it. I find it hard to believe US is going to lie about this though. What would be the gain besides keeping the 0 shootdown record of the F-15 intact? Is there much difference between 100-0 or 100-1? It's so good either way. Regardless, an Iraqi Mig -25 almost got another shootdown in that war. MIG-25s must be pretty good. Almost like an interceptor airliner they are so big.
I'd honestly count this as a loss for the F-15. It's so much more advanced yet it failed to bring down an old interceptor.
@@michaelpascual3581 is it really advanced when three out of three missiles fail to fire ?
@@MrRobertX70 It's an F-15C so I'd say so. But the missiles though, I kinda think that they're Vietnam-era Sparrows that Phantom pilots hated so much
Considering the US wouldn't admit to losing an F/A-18C to a MiG-25 in same war until decades later, I definitely wouldn't put it past the USAF to lie about losing an Eagle, if it was shot down
us lie wtf ,history is written by the victor mr brown
Other countries: “pshhhhh they cant make flying bricks”
Us: f 4 f 15 f 14
I liked flying a bird that flew just as good in any direction.
Luv those big j 79.s
the F14 is anything but a flying brick. The f15 kinda. there's really no better description of the phantom 2 than flying brick though.
@@TheRocketdrive
a fast powerful bus, that would carry anything you tied to it. still my favorite bird.
@@TheRocketdrive even the 15 is more nimble then she looks don’t let her fool you
Funny you mention the f-15 as a flying brick when the mig-25 is just infront of you in the video. a very beautiful flying brick too
The old Sparrow missile was a crap!
'Muricha beats freedom into them again 🇺🇸 . But yeah actually this is actually a really well made video; with lots of detail to satisfy history and aviation geeks. Excellently done!
I just found the channel, Great Video! If you dont mind me asking I am trying to find a good DCS MiG-25 model, which did you use?
it was the in game model. thx.
How can a missile cost a quarter of a million dollars and still be that unreliable?
Its like gas. Gas is cheap. Government taxes gas until its 5 times the price. Being bad or cheap dosent mean its going to cost what its worth. If their under their overinflated budget they steal and waste it instead of return it. The pre ww2 government was not allowed to pull stuff like this.
PERSIAN GULF NOT JUST gulf
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Didnt actually heheman shoot down 3 plane in desert storm?
not good bro, i think the f15 went down, couple of good iraqi pilots, iran has had a few aces over the years too
Damn missiles
Lol must b the joke of the year!!!!
Oh the iraqi definitely took down the F-15.
It’s too be samarri was a pilot for iraq. Imagine those skills in an f-15.
This is why the US air force always had hundreds of aircraft in the air to overwhelm anything the Iraqi AF could do. This was a rare case of 2 on 2 fight during the war and it went in favour of Iraq bcause the Mig25 was the best interceptor in the world at that time
oh, and our missles were crap
@@dont-want-no-wrench How did the Soviets manage to build a better missile than the AIM-7?
Fox bat
Iraqi MiG25 won this fight. F15 went down.
Lol. Sparrows are always good comedy
Persian Gulf
yes
Sparrows are garbage
I can't imagine how angry one would be after you fail 3+ times to launch a missile, with all of them just falling to the ground without igniting
The chances of that happening must be pretty low lmao
Like o e pilot said on the Dogfights their called missiles because the miss. And not hittiles to hit. Brigadier General Steve Ritchie said in another episode this is why you ripple fire missiles, so if one doesn't work, or track it allows for the 2nd do so. Just remember technology can and will fail you.
@@TheMadVulpen
not really, i dropped quite a few on the ground. that's why we mounted gun pods on our phantoms.
and yes, it pisses you off , no end.
The USAF/USN never fully addressed the AIM-7s issues
Someone on the ground got lazy and forgot to pull the safety pins before take-off....lazy ground crews
Lesson 1: Sparrows have always sucked.
Lesson 2: Russian hardware ain’t bad.
Lesson 3: Those Foxbat drivers were the best they had and weren’t bad either.
Even as a amateur sim pilot, even I knew not to trust AIM-7s. I'd sooner expect that a AA-12 duct-taped to a F-18 would hit its' target.
Lies
They just hadn't mastered the Mig-29. Fulcrums arrived between Iran-Iraq war & Gulf War 1.
I think Its more of:
1: Early sparrows sucked.
2: Soviet hardware are not bad at all
3: Those Foxbat pilots are not bad at all
@@waitholdonwhat28 Soviet Hardware and Russian Hardware are not the same, Russian Hardware sucked, Soviet Hardware was amazing (Because the Ukrainians know how to build shit, and build it well)
I can only imagine the amount of adrenaline going through both sets of pilots as they traded missiles.. Nice reenactment!
Yeah bro I cant imagine being in either cockpit.
I bet if they could detect those 3 that basicly just dropped off the rails and didn't ignite they would have laughed their asses off
At least it's better than my broke-ass self paying for Nebula.
It ought to be criminal having Missiles that unreliable. 🤬
Im Iraqi ....Captain Al-Samarai is my uncle my Dad's brother
👍👍👍👍
Thats cool man. Your uncle is a good pilot!
laith azzooz
_"Captain Al-Samarai is my uncle my Dad's brother"_
Be great to hear his debriefing about the flight.
Tell him some American nobody in youtube comments said he is a badass MFer. Does he think he shot it down or just damaged it?
Did he say anything to you about this engagement? Was an F-15 damaged or maybe shot down?
From a Western perspective, it's so odd that the Foxbats seemed to be operating as singletons rather than as a coordinated two-ship. Completely different doctrines.
From my limited understanding, its because the Iraqis were using Soviet doctrine, in which Ground Control Intercept is heavily emphasized over pilot intitiative, and the GCI controllers are the primary decision-makers. Having a wingman is less important if the guys on the ground are calling all of the shots anyways.
Third world countries cant afford sqaudron engagement , while a jugernaut like the Sovjet union can !
Heavy interceptors like Mig-25 are mostly designed to be operatiing as singletons, because it will be their major role. When you're trying to using "only" hundreds of interceptors to defend thousands of kilometers of borderline, "wingman" could be a luxury and your aircraft could be the only defense in hundreds of kilometers of airspace.
@@pipodekluklukmamalou824you misinformed
You are underestimating Iraq’s airforce and the Iraqi army which even the soviets liked
And Iraq wasnt a third world country and still to this day its not
And the third world measurement system is 100% false
With no way of being true because it was originally made to mean something else
Why do you have the same nickname as mine ???????
Good reenactment if I didn't know better it seems like the F15's were using ventiage Vietnam missiles. Good video
It seems the amerikan equipment is only for propaganda.! 😄
@@redbaron9029 that would be the Russian equipment my guy. I can't remember who it was but a historian describing the T-72 MBT said "NATO feared that the T72 would be an unstoppable force, but once we got ahold of it we realized it was like everything else the Russians ever built. A death trap.
@syed musa 🤣🤣🤣 man you Commie trolls really have no idea about reality. I've fought against Russian equipment. Its trash.
@syed musa 8 years in the USMC, you take a guess where.
ahmed tayyab if so how they managed to shoot down 33 iraqi aircrafts?!!
5:42 who would’ve thought that a jet could still fly after being nearly hit a by missile!
Probably because of instead of getting hit by the missile, it just got hit by a piece of the bomb part, and maybe just close enough when it detonated.
The main concern ought to be, why the American missiles were not working!!! Makes you wonder if they have been sabotaged.
You ever seen an A-10? It's legit designed to fly with one of its 2 engines failing, like there's cases where one caught on fire, burned off and they just kept going
The F-15 is a tough plane. Who can forget the Israeli F-15 that managed to land with one wing?
In result, flying steel box with engines Mig-25 proved to be one of Soviet best fighters. It's hit and run tactics was better than Mig-29s air balet IMHO
Well hit and run tactics are my favorite the mig sneaks up,fires some long range yeets and gets out at mach 3 being safe from american missiles at that speed and range lol
@@peregrinefalcon9513 I mean. They CAN go mach 3 running the risk of destroying their engines. But sure. Why not.
@@Optimaloptimus Going mach 2.85 is still enough and they don't destroy their engines.
@@KarolusTemplareV Yeah, but they have to be flying at over 30,000ft to do that. The MiG-25 is not capable of look down shoot down. Which means it cannot do hit and runs on Eagles lower than it.
@@Optimaloptimus The radars on the Iraqi 25's were never upgraded?
Got any corrections? Anything to add on? I encourage you to replay to this pinned comment so that others can see.
Lt. Col. Randy Bigum and 1st Lt. Lynn Broome was Xerex 31.
The call signs were Zerex, not Xerex. Most of the AF fighter flights were named after Oil companies and products (like Citgo, Chevon, Zerex). I strongly suggest you look into the book Debrief: A Complete History of U.S. Aerial Engagements - 1981 to the Present, which has first-person recaps of each US-based air to air engagements since 1981. It would be a great resource for your videos.
Yes, the part where the F15 gets hit is wrong. This was reported by the Iraqi pilot but was erroneous. No eagle got hit
Thanks for this update. Does the book you reference mention the engagement between the Iraqi Mig-25 and Navy F-18 piloted by Scott Speicher on Jan. 17, 1991?
@@joystickjedi368 lmao cope and seethe
@@EdwinYuen That's ironic considering all the memes about the US being there for oil.
Only mig -25 was a tough competitor for the usaf.
Makes sense, It was the only red aircraft in the war that could match the F-15 in BVR. And as we know, most engagements during desert storm were decided BVR.
@@epicbastard1 he wasnt meant to dogfight them but they came in fast and high undetected,fired at the F15 and ran away quickly without fighting thats why they were so edfective
@@peregrinefalcon9513 The Iraqi pilots did not escape ... they returned quickly, because of the presence of an American patrol of four planes far from the base, perhaps coming to the rescue of their comrades
Mig-29's and mirage f-1's weren't bad either. It's just the circumstances
Can you do vids about dogfights in the Iran-iraq war
No f15 shot down in aerial combat.. as long as you dont count the ones shot down i guess
lol maybe
Lol they just don't want to admit that their "best" jet got defeated by a flying engine with wings. F-15s can't beat the MiG-29 if it had a good pilot. West Germany proved it.
@@michaelpascual3581 buddy no fighter is blatantly better than another and the Germans didn’t fight the 15 they fought the 18
Iraqis would have paraded it around if they actually did. The f-15 landed safely
@@Yeager123123My thoughts exactly. It would have been a massive celebration in Iraq. An American F-15 shot down by an Iraqi Mig-25. That would have been huge for the Iraqis.
Glad to see our "lowest bid contractor" made munitions is so reliable... jesus...
The Aim-7 Sparrow was never a very good missile. They made a lot of improvements over the early models by the gulf war but the missile never did live up to expectations. They have now been completely replaced by the Aim-120 AMRAAM in US service
Since so many failed and all in this single encounter, I would not rule out that the cause was poor maintenance.
AIM-7: not in the mood today
I think they had a timer that would only work on Sundays.
AIM-7: *is not amused*
Mig-29 vs panavia tornado.
Great reenactment bud must be frustrating when missiles just dont fire at all.. maybe you could make some reenactment of Iraq Iran war there were plenty of air to air fights and air to ground
That war is like the mother of jet battles. The F -14 just putting everything in the danger zone with Iran saying they had like a 200-5 ratio in the Tomcat. Even half that would be pure domination. " talk to me goose "
Who wants to admit an old russian fighter took down an f15 fighter plane
They never admit their losses
Don't forget that the Mig-25 is one generation behind the F-15. Pretty amazing they fared so well in this engagement.
and the 25s were not even meant to be for dogfight, they were high altitude interceptors against US bombers like the XB-70
generations dont matter.
Foxbat wins!!😬🤷🏻♂️
Nah bro
@@scootiepatootie7721 yes bro. 1 crippled eagle. Possibly crashed. Both foxbats landed safely
@@Aleko704 the f15 was damaged but didn’t crash
@@scootiepatootie7721 still lost the fight
Iraqi pilots were damn good in first gulf war , Mig25 even with older tech manages to damage the F15 and got an air kill against F18.
The F15 was shot down. Just never admitted to by the US. The Iraqis recovered the wreckage.
@@jonathonbrooks651false. Literally zero proof they shot down an F-15, no BUNO ever recorded shot down, no recovery effort, all of which is heavily documented in after action reports.
The MiG-25 acquitted itself very well in the Iran-Iraq war (which was actually Gulf War 1. 1991 was Gulf War 2). It had a very favourable exchange rate against Iran and even shot down an F-14.
@@thethirdman225This is correct. Even the New York Times (back when they were at least telling some truths) had articles about F14s being shot down by Mig 25s.
What a beast is the Mig 25, I've seen one and its rear nozzles are so huge you can literally camp inside...
Of all the many weapons systems I saw in my 6 months in Russia, the one that totally blew me away was the MiG-25. It felt like it was doing Mach 3 just parked near the runway !!!
The book “F-15C Eagle vs MIG-23/25 Iraq 1991” by Douglas Dildy and Tom Cooper mentions about this engagement.
Thanks for the tip. Tom Cooper is generally a pretty reliable source.
Hey, do the reenactment of Indian Mig21 Bison shooting down Pakistani F-16 Falcon using helmet mounted sights and off bore shots.
sounds like the 15,s were loaded with the same excellent missiles we had in nam, the enemy was in more danger of one dropping on their head than getting shot down.
Missiles not igniting? Could have scored but failure to lauch.
Funny - The close-up of Dietz's first Sparrow before it launched and failed; "Warranty Expiration Date 03/31/11".
can we just take a moment to admire Lt Hehemann's callsign?
Should've been MJ
It was Giggles until just before a CNN interview.
Man Raytheon sure knows how to make *MISSiles* don't they LOL?! Two don't ignite, one won't come off the rail, two other's miss completely. And this is not to mention the "State of the Art" Raytheon AIM-9X IR missile fired by a NAVY F/A-18 Super Hornet in 2017 at a Syrian '60's era SU-22 which also missed or the one fired by a Michigan Air Guard F-16 in 2022 at a friggin ballon that also missed? Do we actually pay this company billions of $ for their crap products?
The mig 25 looks like an f15 that has downsyndrome
DCS really allows for awesome reenactments that was very well done ty!
That was an eventful mission.
Imagine a Mig25 with AMRAAM missiles. Russian aircraft with US/French/Israeli weapons are very dangerous.
Unbelievable, Amraam (Aim 120)
from F-15c, doesn't work?
Anyway I'm from Jessore Bangladesh!
First, nice to meet you. Second, These were not AIM-120 AMRAAMs, these were AIM-7 Sparrows.
great reenactment, wasn't there another where the mig 25s outran all the missiles fired at them ,caused coalition mission to be cancled?
Yep multiple times they once fired 10 missiles while chasing it but failed because that metal box flies at mach 3
11 months late. I'll look into this.
I would hope after this all the aim7's were taken out of service from this. Someone probably checked the dates of manufacture and service life of those and went oh shit. Those expired back in 1980!?!?!?
AF lieutenant to his CO: Sir my Aim7's were slung underneath F4's back in Vietnam. CO, they're fine, you don't like it don't fly.. Lieutenant gulp, yes siiiir......
After this war is when the AIM-120 came out. Now we just use the AIM-7 for training.
Would Capt Dietz be the father of or relative to US Navy SEAL Danny Dietz who was KIA during the "Lone Survivor" mission...Operation RedWing???
Why did they still have AIM-7s instead of AIM-120s? Sparrows are notorious for malfunctioning.
Way too late to this comment, but AIM-120s were introduced into service _after_ the war.
@@Astyrical that’s no excuse. They should have had aim-120s on board
@@Yeager123123how do you have something that didn’t even exist at that point of time yet 💀
@@jiun88 You use gumption and make it happen! They should have had AIM-120s. No excuses!
@@Yeager123123 AAMRAM's were still in test process and every fighter up til 1995 was on sparrow's
Also Soviet era missiles were more accurate and reliable than american radar guided missiles, the only black sheep of the soviet family being the missiles they made for the fulcrums.
Anyone know if the F15s were from the 36 FW (Bitburg, Germany) or from the 32 TFW (Soesterberg, The Netherlands)? Reasonably sure they were from the later. Second-hand accounts suggests the weapons load crew were immediately de-certified, but later certified after going through more training. It was apparently standard practice.
Really aint sure. There was air crews from all over! Didn't know we had any military in Holland. I was supposed to be going to Desert Shield, but they changed it at the last minute. I think they were running out of room for us.
And yes, that is pretty bad when you can not trust the A.F. weapon experts, to get things right! Downright dangerous!
One time I saw an Air Force girl doing something very dumb! She was ejecting grenade rounds out on a spot where rocks where sticking up out of the ground. And that female non-com would not listen!
I do know that there is some safety built into some things, but you should never tempt fate! Like I was reminded, they are air force, not a ground force.
And when you see one screwing up, first thing is to ask for their unit, like if they're the 1128th air squadron.
U.S. Army (Ret)
@@roostercogburn3771 They closed the air base in 1993. By all accounts, it was a great place to find a plethora of young, local girls more than willing to show Airmen the best the Dutch had to offer ...
I like these ,but white subtitles are clearly a mistake, especially against a light sky
Yeah I know :(
White text on a light background is not a good decision, especially if you expect people to read lots of words in a very short time. 👎
That's why im testing darker backgrounds
I hit pause to read words during a vid so I get it all.
Damn, migs really gave the eagle a run for its money
The Foxbat was a pretty crazy plane. As you can see the Iraqis got shot upon during RTB. The Foxbat was so fast that it simply outran the AIMs.
@@nikolakaravida9670 yeah it was meant to come in high and fast,launch the missiles and get out and that tactic is pretty effective even today against pretty much everything
In everything I’ve read and heard about the MIG 25 when it’s flown in the hit and run tactics it was designed for it could give the best the west had to offer a run for its money.
@@rampageTG Interestingly, it wasn't even designed for hit and run tactics. It was designed to shoot down bombers and reconnaissance airplanes violating Soviet airspace. Despite this, the MiG-25 did pretty well against fighters when used correctly and not getting dragged in a dogfight.
@@philipped.r.6385Indeed. Like the kill it scored on an F-18 during the same war. That was a perfect example of it doing what it was designed to do and doing it very well.
I imagine they had a short and sharp conversations with the Weapons Officer.
I'm trying to imagine the call from the Air Force commander to the people who make those missiles. "Three times! What the hell are your Quality Assurance people doing?!"
When you get the worst RNG
I thought this'd be the engagement between Larry Pits and another F-15 vs 2 Foxbats. The F-15s won that handidly.
This is probably the closest a C model has come to being shot down in an air to air setting.
Persian Gulf 👌
lol this is Iraq not Iran no such thing as persian gulf here
Missiles with tail fins don't tumble when traveling by inertia, the tail fins stabilize the missile's flight!
Yeah I had to jettison them from the rack. That's how it is in DCS.
Rolleron
10/10 I could not tel it was not real
I tried Google, what does "fated in the Super MEZ" mean? I found 'MEZ', but fated and Super I couldn't find anything relating to a MEZ.
Ethan Starry I’m sure "fated" was supposed to mean faded as if to disappear.
MEZ is "Military Exclusion Zone".
Faded means they popably disappeared out of range into the military exclusion zone. AWACS dont have unlimited range.
Super MEZ is Super Missile Engagement Zone if used in thr right context
Just like our torpedoes in early WWII…
Great plane and pilots. Crappy missiles.
The summary of a lifetime
What in the fuck?
Can we appreciate the Callsign "Gigs" for Hehemann. Peace all.
Very difficult to read with the white writing.
The F15 C is the strike eagle if I'm not mistaken not really a dog fighter variant just a bomb and missile truck heavy version mostly and doesn't turn and burn like the air to air F15 variants does
You're thinking of the F-15E Echo, homie. Here check out this video, it breaks down the differences between the two. th-cam.com/video/2r8lUUP6XrE/w-d-xo.html
‘Leaving your wingman. That’s a strategy I haven’t seen in a while.’
The F15 was shot down by the Mig. The US just doesn't want to acknowledge the fact a 3rd gen monkey model Mig shot down their premier fighter.
thats what happens when u use american dollars on the healthcare system.Missles fail.lmfao.They showed that on the simpsons.
America needs a national health system like the rest of the world's neo-liberal democracies a lot more than it needs new missiles.
Вот так надо бить матрасов
In 1991 war , iraq really dk nothing against US , For Example shot down more US fighter , my mean more than 1 F-18.....
هذه العملية سميت عملية سامراء استطاع طيار عراقي بطائرة ميغ 25 اسقاط طائرة f15
No he didn’t but and f18 was shot doen
The mig25 have no shadow shen taking off
It failed because of Heat most missiles Failed on Both sides
So how many Iraqi fighter jets escaped to Iran.
Don't recall the exact number but many escaped including the advanced Mirage.The irony is they were kept in Iran (with their pilots)as a war reparation.And that shows you never to enter a fight without your back being protected.Not to mention entering a boxing ring with Mike Tyson.
To be exact 137. Mostly newer combat & cargo aircraft.
@@maanmohammad8459 lol now that is pretty funny. Did the pilots want to stay?
@@MikeBrown-go1pc
I don't think any Iraqi wanted to stay in khomaini's paradise.
@@maanmohammad8459 Damn, they would be like slave pilots then. They had to have figured out a way to sneak back after the warring you would think. I think that the keeping of the aircraft was fair enough though.
My question is did Hehemann survive?
What a spectacle
I’d notice the BT on the tail of the 15s…that’s my old base and first duty station Bitburg AFB…. I was stationed there in the early 70’s….good to see them in action ….USAF AIM HIGH 🫡