@@svaltqt4323 mastery is self limiting because absorbed damage doesn't count towards high DS (the 20% damage taken in the last 5 secs portion). So when you get a big blood shield, none of that damage then counts towards a future high DS. You're basically getting a bigger absorb now to get a lower DS heal and blood shield later. The exception to this is DS snapshotting. When you use a high DS, for the next 5 seconds any DS you use will be for the initial high DS value with no recalculation until you take any amount of damage. So if for 5 seconds you take 0 damage (fully absorbed damage won't count as damage) you can get the exact same high DS value for any DS used in those 5 seconds. However, if you take even a single point of damage during that time, it will be recalculated
Great vid as always, i gotta ask though maybe im missing some understanding of enhance. How does your shaman have both fire ele and earth ele up at the same time? :D
Did you have anyone take aggro at all during this fight? Solo’d the whole thing?? We are running tonight and need to modify to (laughable for some) 2 tanks (used to 3 on 25m) and are concerned with using 2 lol. Any advice for a 367 BDK and 368 Prot pal tanking this fight tonight on 10m? Love your stuff.
@@CareySalander I just solo all of it. 2 tank is definitely the easier method until you really know what you're doing. But for 2 tank you're basically just gonna have the BDK tank the normal phase the entire fight (can never be killed by double attack as long as you have blood shield up for each one) and pally will do system failures. Pally should LoH themself the first system failure and pop small CDs (Holy Shield and Divine Protection) a few seconds into the Feud (first melee comes 4-5 secs after Feud start). Then pop wall (Guardian of Ancient Kings) just before the double attack will land (Chimaeron has a 4.8 sec swing timer so don't pop it immediately when you see the double attack debuff, wait a few secs). If you get a second system failure, do the same thing but use PS/AD instead of wall
imma new to bdk, so you're surviving thru double attacks due to death strike absorb shield? with bot active it counts breaking the absorb as 1 attack, and the normal one as second?
No the main thing is bdk's blood shield. It has a weird interaction with the robot buff that makes double attack unable to kill you as long as you have blood shield up during normal phase
Hi Subtle, huge fan. Just to be sure, you used Shalug'doom for the extra racial expertise to reach the hard cap, is that it? Thank you for all your guides and extra amazing content, really helped me minmaxing in raiding hc
As impressive as this is, I've got to ask: Are your melee dps on board for having to face the front of the boss during break with the turned around hitbox? The change in positions on the dps meter speaks volumes. Edit: Not sure if link broken or intentional, your first prot pala log is empty and the second link is Deadge. :
Nah that's not a thing. You can see our feral Shreds just fine classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Lp12TF69r3DNZRH7#fight=24&type=casts&source=6&view=events
Looks like you just bank on your dps doing enough to push P2 in one Feud. Anything else? Proper cooldown usage during Feud Double Attacks. IBF usually lasts through an entire Feud right? I feel like if i dont have any cooldown up even without breaks he one shots me. My hp buffed is like 180k. With break stacks youd need way more I assume. Be nice if you added a commentary going over the nuances to doing this 😀
Getting only one Feud definitely makes it a lot easier. I stack lesser CDs for the start of Feud and time IBF for just before the double attack lands so it'll last the remainder of Feud. And yah I could do a commentary vid for it
This! I watch all the videos for better understanding, and the general stuff is easy enough, but the little nuance timing things get hard to figure out without being able to raid test
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I've been doing this for a while but figured I should upload one of them. Gear/Talents: sixtyupgrades.com/cata/set/7b1C7mmm3k62khpMNakN6n
653 mastery? :0
Yah I never run much mast for anything
@@SubtleFW How do you heal so much with Death Strike if you have so little mastery?
@@svaltqt4323 mastery is self limiting because absorbed damage doesn't count towards high DS (the 20% damage taken in the last 5 secs portion). So when you get a big blood shield, none of that damage then counts towards a future high DS. You're basically getting a bigger absorb now to get a lower DS heal and blood shield later. The exception to this is DS snapshotting. When you use a high DS, for the next 5 seconds any DS you use will be for the initial high DS value with no recalculation until you take any amount of damage. So if for 5 seconds you take 0 damage (fully absorbed damage won't count as damage) you can get the exact same high DS value for any DS used in those 5 seconds. However, if you take even a single point of damage during that time, it will be recalculated
@@SubtleFW why did you skill butchery?
That DS at 1:14 is the most clutch I've ever seen :D
Great vid as always, i gotta ask though maybe im missing some understanding of enhance. How does your shaman have both fire ele and earth ele up at the same time? :D
@@ZOMBIEMUNCHER99 thanks! I dont llay enhance but AFAIK earth ele and fire ele aren't shared cooldowns in Cata
Did you have anyone take aggro at all during this fight? Solo’d the whole thing?? We are running tonight and need to modify to (laughable for some) 2 tanks (used to 3 on 25m) and are concerned with using 2 lol. Any advice for a 367 BDK and 368 Prot pal tanking this fight tonight on 10m? Love your stuff.
@@CareySalander I just solo all of it. 2 tank is definitely the easier method until you really know what you're doing. But for 2 tank you're basically just gonna have the BDK tank the normal phase the entire fight (can never be killed by double attack as long as you have blood shield up for each one) and pally will do system failures. Pally should LoH themself the first system failure and pop small CDs (Holy Shield and Divine Protection) a few seconds into the Feud (first melee comes 4-5 secs after Feud start). Then pop wall (Guardian of Ancient Kings) just before the double attack will land (Chimaeron has a 4.8 sec swing timer so don't pop it immediately when you see the double attack debuff, wait a few secs). If you get a second system failure, do the same thing but use PS/AD instead of wall
imma new to bdk, so you're surviving thru double attacks due to death strike absorb shield? with bot active it counts breaking the absorb as 1 attack, and the normal one as second?
Correct, you just need a small blood shield up for each double attack (and of course being above 10k hp)
Yah exactly
Do you need the Pala´s bubble to make this happen? Ty
No the main thing is bdk's blood shield. It has a weird interaction with the robot buff that makes double attack unable to kill you as long as you have blood shield up during normal phase
hey man whats the wa that shows the tank cds you have on youu?
Hey it's part of my BDK WA pack: wago.io/BWm3EeRU9
It's incredible what you do, you are light years ahead of any other tank.
haha I appreciate it but there are a lot of tanks doing this
When the boss have DA buff and casts Massacre, does he attacks twice after he finishes the cast? I mean it seems like he skips DA, right?
@@atreyu2343 Massacre cast removes Double Attack buff, so you'll never take a Double Attack immediately after Massacre
@@SubtleFW tyyyy
Could this be done with a 359 ilvl?” From what I understand, it’s just about using Death Strike to survive the double attacks?
Yah probably as long as your group has good damage
wow so during system and the last phase you're just using cd's to mitigate the damage with 4 break stacks? do you do this on 25 as well?
don't think you can solo tank him in 25 without someone getting break stacks for you, since in 25 his base damage is about x1.7 compared to 10m
Yah pretty much. It might be doable on 25 with really good cd management, but I haven't tried it
This is insane
Now let's see prot warrior try this
floor pov
sometimes the dodge is on your side! smooth work
Yah with only around 30 melees happening over the entire fight, you really feel every avoid
Hi Subtle, huge fan. Just to be sure, you used Shalug'doom for the extra racial expertise to reach the hard cap, is that it?
Thank you for all your guides and extra amazing content, really helped me minmaxing in raiding hc
Hey thanks! I don't have expertise hard cap but yah I'm using Shalug on my orc for the extra expertise
You're gonna need a new outro picture now that you've changed to the dark side!
I do! But it's a reminder of the good ol' wrath days
As impressive as this is, I've got to ask: Are your melee dps on board for having to face the front of the boss during break with the turned around hitbox? The change in positions on the dps meter speaks volumes.
Edit: Not sure if link broken or intentional, your first prot pala log is empty and the second link is Deadge. :
Can you clarify what you mean? Melee attack from behind the entire fight. I'll fix the prot pally link but it's Subtle on Faerlina
@@SubtleFW Yes, the melee attack his model from behind, but the hitbox is turned around by 180 degrees for the duration.
Nah that's not a thing. You can see our feral Shreds just fine classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Lp12TF69r3DNZRH7#fight=24&type=casts&source=6&view=events
Looks like you just bank on your dps doing enough to push P2 in one Feud. Anything else? Proper cooldown usage during Feud Double Attacks. IBF usually lasts through an entire Feud right? I feel like if i dont have any cooldown up even without breaks he one shots me. My hp buffed is like 180k. With break stacks youd need way more I assume. Be nice if you added a commentary going over the nuances to doing this 😀
Getting only one Feud definitely makes it a lot easier. I stack lesser CDs for the start of Feud and time IBF for just before the double attack lands so it'll last the remainder of Feud. And yah I could do a commentary vid for it
This! I watch all the videos for better understanding, and the general stuff is easy enough, but the little nuance timing things get hard to figure out without being able to raid test
It's actually broken and pretty lame how blood dk's can almost completely ignore certain mechanics due to DS.
Eh I've been doing similar cheeses on pally for years because of bubble
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That hps is nutty
Yah it can get much higher too, bdk is nuts