The Embassy of the Kingdom of the Netherlands in Japan announced on June 10, 2024 that the Dutch Navy frigate Tromp arrived at the Port of Nagasaki in Nagasaki Prefecture. As Japanese people, we warmly welcome the Royal NetherlandsNavy's visit to Japan. 駐日オランダ王国大使館は2024年6月10日、オランダ海軍のフリゲート「トロンプ」が、長崎県の長崎港に入港したことを発表しました。Royal Netherlands Navyの日本寄港を日本人として大いに歓迎いたします。
@@n1k2-ja46 We might live far away, but we are all friends who like peace and freedom. I like the Japanese people (and also the architecture and culture) ------ 私たちは遠くに住んでいるかもしれませんが、平和と自由を好む友人です。私は日本人が好きです（そして建築と文化も好きです）翻訳機を使いました 🇳🇱
@@irfanbilir7807 ooh poor kid having such a bad life in the Netherlands .. if they were that incompotent why are we one of the riches countries and why do high educated people want to live here ? and yes .. if you just wont finish your education you probably have a less better job and lifestyle ! but that's all up to YOU !
thank u for the compliment ! we are doing our best here ! and dont let those ignorant people get to you with those stupid comments like @irfanbilir7807 ! he is just not educated enough !
Good to see the cooperation with Belgium with each taking a lead in different classes. The Dutch were the FIRST Country to have dedicated Marines just before the Royal Marines UK.
What exactly are 'dedicated' marines? Ancient egyptians had marines, the romans had 2 legions specifically trained for marine operations. Venice created marine units in 1130 and the Spanish Marines we're established in 1537. Whats the difference concerning them all?
@@ralphklunder Dedicated role. The Dutch marines are considered the first in a dedicated amphibious assault role with permanent stationing on a ship. Ofcourse there are more examples of soldiers jumping of a ship to fight on land but those troops had also their garrison somewhere on land. The ship was just the transport. I'm not sure what marine operations those Roman legions performed but I'd like to learn.
I am extremely proud of our defense🇳🇱🇳🇱. Since 2024, I have also partly joined the Defense Department as an on-call worker and work as a truck driver for defense.👍
See? When I was young, our Airforce, Army and Navy were great employers. You earned good, you got a good retirement. Now they hire you as a call-worker. The Netherlands should be ashamed. They tell to you "bend over" and you do it. Jesus, buy a truck yourself, get yourself a future. Run away!
Wish we could do more, maybe double budget to what.. 30 billion? It allows for loads of jobs, and innovation, so it's not money thrown away either. Always proud of the people defending us. Peace time may look nice and it's easy to criticize the military, but when they're needed, everyone will rejoice that they exist.
Its just crazy to think that such a tiny country used the be the most dominant naval power on earth basically fighting their own never ending world war from the 1600s till the 1950s
Their biggest achievement was, creating land, and make innovations, like windmills, while being suppressed by the Spanish King, and his henchman. Because of these windmills, Dutch could build ships faster than any other European country... All in a time that the Dutch paid more than 50% of the Spanish income, because of taxation...
Also: NATO/ OTAN personell speaks either english or french, so no surprises there. You'd expect everyone to be fluent in both. Imagine if even at the lowest level that wouldn't be the case, in any combat scenario.. crazy.
The Dutch are getting new submarines? People who anger the Netherlands should be really worried. The Dutch submarine force was probably the most effective of World War II. Don’t go anywhere near an upset Dutch submarine if they aren’t happy with you. Me? I love this. I’m Canadian🇨🇦. We love our Dutch brothers and sisters.
They are getting 4 Subs from France that are based on the French Suffren SSN design but conventionally powered DE/AIP. This design should be a contender for the upcoming RCN Sub replacement project (if it happens).
We already have a navy. It’s just gets a huge upgrade in the next couple of years. The ZP Class is still a fine fregat and will be sold to another ally after replacement. The subs are getting old though
Basically, before 2022 the plan was to join the army with Germany (one tank division so far) saving costs that could be invested in the cyber, Airforce and navy. Never forget that the army had to shout *Pang Pang* because bullets were too expensive. After 2022, well... Let's say we finally (depending on calculations) hit the 2% and we are on track to slightly increase this for next year, meaning big bucks... We are the 16th economy of the world after all.
@@cornee111120 Even een reactie De Nederlandse soldaten hebben nooit pang pang geroepen op een schietbaan of oefenterrein Dat is een broodje aap verhaal
i actually hope Belgium will also parter up and buy 1 or 2 air defence frigates when the Dutch launch those ships. Our gouvernement who are still forming said they are looking into a multi role ship 2 more frigats and 2 more coastal defence ships. Since we are partnered up with the Dutch i really hope it will become reality and we will finally have a navy
Very impressed with the Dutch leadership. For the ASW drone it should be much faster than 20 knots IMO. The Dutch are always forward thinking. They do have their own interests to satisfy.
I'd like to know more about this "High Energy Laser" on the ASW Frigates. Did not know one existed that is in production. The US has a couple I think but not sure if they perform well.
@@marijnnn4992 Regardless of who they're made for it's important to retain those skills in your shipbuilding industry, which is what some NATO members have failed to do.
I agree with what you say to some extent but the U.K. has not completely destroyed its naval shipbuilding capability but has significantly reduced its capability due to lack of investment and making skilled shipbuilders in the past redundant because its cheaper to build elsewhere. BAE Systems and Babcock still build great naval ships in the U.K. like, the type 26/31 and don’t forget the two large aircraft carriers and Britains nuclear submarines. Including the new Dreadnought class. More ships are in the pipeline as well, including the type 83 which is a large naval ship. The problem for the U.K., there are a lot of old shipyards left disused around the country which could be brought back into service if the money is there to reinvest in new infrastructure and train up more skilled jobs to build them. It will be a gradual rise for the Royal Navy instead of a heroic rise to former glory.
Highly questionable. Besides Damen shipyards hardly anything exists anymore. And even Damen does a lot of the building in Rumania. Building the new submarines in France is yet another blow to the Dutch shipbuilding capacity.
Question: If the Netherlands Navy are opting for 6 Multipurpose LHD vessels, does that mean an increase or reorganisation of the Naval Aviation Branch???
It needs more than looks alone… Besides that France has enough capabilities to build amphibious ships. It is interesting to see if France chooses for smaller amphibious ships, like the UK and The Netherlands. My point of view is that diversity would be the best, with only small amphibious ships one loses capability. Big powers seem to stick to bigger amphibious ships and even smaller countries who never used to have them buy them (Egypt, Turkey).
@@marcsetmais7598 Yes of course looks isn't everything, it is just a fantasy haha. I don't think there's a need for that in the French navy, the 3 LHD handle the amphibious needs. However I know that there is an option in the new military procurement law that includes the study of a recreation of an light LST class for the overseas for multipurpose roles. :)
instead of 8 auxiliary vessels the RNLN could do with 2 Flarna class 46,823 ton (54,320 ton loaded) stealth (CATOBAR) aircraft carrier powered by MFT-40B® iFuelCell3™ M-FEP system . . . unit cost €4.30 Bn - €5.83 Bn (approx) subject to vary . . . through private sector equity disinvestment solutions & venture capital the RNLN can operate 2 carrier strike groups . . . without having to blow the defense budget . . . note the RNLN did operate carrier strike groups in the past during & post ww2 . . .
@@NavalNews That's true but our navy called it crap basically 😂 so 2 options left. We continue with these subs with cruise missiles or we cancelled the frence subs
The Dutch have a long and illustrious naval history.....................I wish my German was as fluent as this officer's English. Extraordinary. Les Griffiths
Nice video, but djeez, why do these ppt slides always look crappy. As a Dutch military representative I would expect that he has some support from a communications department for this.
Proud to be 🇳🇱! Now that our government has finally woken up from its decades long lethargic attitude toward keeping our armed forces in shape, hence now rapidly increasing the desperately needed defence budget. Seems to me that in regard to our navy, it looks as if this budget will be very well spent! Thanks to our NATO allies too, in this case special thanks to our Belgian friends!
Let's see what Greet W. has in store for us in the comming years eh? I for one am not to sure this parlement will go forward with any urgency (wich they really should). Our subs are done. Here's to hope 'in bange dagen' houzee!
@@schepvogelk5971 Liever een bedrijf dat weet hoe ze een romp moeten bouwen voor een onderzeeër, dan een Nederlands bedrijf dat daar geen kennis meer over in huis heeft. Daarbij zullen er een hele hoop NL bedrijven meewerken aan de instrumenten in deze onderzeeërs. Damen gaat volgens mij ook die 4 fregatten bouwen.
@@JorgenKremer De Marine had duidelijk voorkeur voor de Damen-Saab samenwerking. Saab heeft Zweedse onderzeeboten gebouwd. En als ze er ergens verstand van hebben wat de goede keuze is dan is dat bij de Marine zelf. De narcist Rutte heeft een beslissing doorgeduwd waar alleen hij beter van wordt en het land slechter. Iets waar zijn hele carrière en beleid op gebaseerd is als vijand van het NL volk. De ervaringen die Australië heeft met dat Franse bedrijf zijn zo slecht dat ze zich terugtrokken omdat de Fransen zich niet aan afspraken hielden: het wordt de varende Fyra. Koop ze dan liever van de plank bij een andere NAVO partner.
@@michielotsen6317 The new government has agreed to put the NATO 2% norm in the law. This means we as a nation have to abide to the 2% NATO agreement. But actually this is not enough after all that Rutte destroyed (which is not just the military but a lot more unfortunatly). It was him who wanted additional cuts after the military was already on its knees. We will have to go to 3-4% to repair the damage done by Rutte and his regime to the military. And even then it will probably take decades. And now the narcissist that destroyed our military (and much more) wants to become NATO secretary general. In 1999 we had 330 main battle tanks, 16 surface combatants and 183 fighter jets. Just to name the 3 primary weapon systems. This is where we should go to again as a minimum.
Probably not because our corrupt prime minister forced to choose the French subs (similar to the ones Australia backed out from because to many problems, which are not Tomahawk capable), just to get Macron's support to become next NATO secretary general. The person who destroyed the Dutch military by huge cuts, never met the 2% norm and never served in the military to get NATO SG would be a total disgrace. Apart from that he is known for lots of scandals and lies. Only someone from a NATO country that abides to the 2% norm and article 3 should be able to become SG of NATO.
Jangan memandang rendah Indonesia, Indonesia negara dengan jumlah penduduk 300 juta adalah potensi besar dari aspek ekonomi dan pertahanan negara . Indonesia adalah negara ASEAN yang berani menghadapi agresif militer China di Laut China Selatan. Indonesia kaya sumber daya alam dan kaya akan sumber daya manusia maka Indonesia siap bekerja sama dengan negara manapun dengan prinsip saling menghormati
@@TABZ4KG Wij kunnen wel degelijk een scheepsromp bouwen. Maar de Roemenen kunnen dat goedkoper. Als die romp klaar is, wordt ie afgebouwd met spullen van Hollandse Signaal (Thales), EADS, BAE, Oerlikon enz. Het is een modulair systeem waarmee je alle kanten op kunt.
Jongens, ze worden gebouwd in Roemenie door het Nederlandse Damen Shipyards uit Gorinchem. Damen heeft werven over de hele wereld en met de opdrachten die ze hebben van de Koninklijke Marine moeten ze wel uitwijken naar hun andere werven buiten Nederland.
@@hardyvonwinterstein5445 "Roemenië is EU. En dat zijn wij. Voor een Europeaan maakt het niks uit. Voor een nationalist natuurlijk wel." Wat een bedrogsredenering. Er zitten daadwerkelijk verschillen tussen beide naties, en we leven niet in 'The United States of Europe', desondanks dat federale eurofielen dat maar al te graag willen.
@@admiralmallard7500 the t 6500 is for the asw frigate (6500 is it for now but it will be more.. its in the design stage at the moment) not the landing assault vessel.
No, it is the Barracuda Blacksword limited edition... mines, kongsberg naval missile, mk 48 adcap and tomahawks. Also the capability to launch marines under/ shallow water....close to the shore as possible.👌
@@manuellangius2896 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orka-class_submarine. Barracuda Blacksword is the name of the design used by Naval Group. Orka is the name announced by the Dutch for the first Sub to be built, thus the class of 4 Subs will be called by the Dutch the Orka class.
Can there still be made a difference between ''underwater-priority'' and ''air defence priority'' ? Every time, our Navies (the German Navy as well is cooperating with the Netherlands) make this difference, I ask myself: Can our vessels make a choice out at sea, as if they were sitting at a green table, smoking cigars and deciding: ''This is not our enemy, because he is attacking underwater....''? Of course I exaggerated this example, but the drones will be everywhere in the future - so every Frigate or Corvette, the Tank-Vessel shown here... They ALL must be capable for air defense AND for torpedo-/submarine-defense... Asked the other way round: How ''differently specialized'' ships still can be in the close future ?
Not without getting clearance from the US to export the reactor technology you can't, and the US has already said Australia is a one off and won't be repeated.
Your nasi goreng too good we need to come get it, again. Actually I think there is potential for more cooperation in the future given there are win/win interests for both available and there is a larger shared threat in the region/world, but it will depend on both countries leadership and developments or tldr just geopolitics.
We have nice boat, but i would not call it a fleet. The clowns dont even have an amphibious warship. Just a few crazy good frigates and leaky submarines.
Is all this from 2% of GDP… damn… didnt knew that we were that rich! I understand why so much ships because we are next to the sea.. but who’s paying for it? Oh wait…. Thats me :(
War on the continent creates a reason to buff up the military, especially because Trump showed we cannot rely on the US. Military spending has doubled since 2015 and should go up with another couple billion a year to meet the 2% norm.
@@MChagall That goes both ways, seeing how our lackluster spending and selling off equipment in peace time doesn't exactly make us a reliable partner either.
Originally the future air defender was a joint Dutch-German program, but it was cancelled (or rather halted) due to multiple differences. From what I read on wikipedia they are still investigating if they can come to a new agreement with Germany or potentially other European countries to participate in developing these ships.
Nu weten we waarom de overheid de belasting op onderanderen energie blijft handhaven. Wel vreemd dat er zoveel wordt geinvesteerd terwijl 80% van de overheidsuitgaven ondoorzichtig. Niemand lijkt accountable tot grote frustratie van de centrale rekenkamer.
Meanwhile in the UK what? We're replacing our frigate fleet currently and have an amphib program and future destroyer program being worked on before 2040
My child has a new teacher. She's the no-nonsense type and doesn't cowtow to arrogant cliques. There's no "*whiny voice* Everyone should be the same *whiny voice* Every kid should be able to do the same things" in her classroom. One girl was being bullied by the rest of the class, so she picked three popular kids and over the course of a few weeks she kept picking on them and ridiculing them. The bullying quickly stopped and that girl can now go to school in safety. We're very happy with such a good teacher 😊
About those ruSSian ships going to Cuba. Perhaps someone should start a go fund me account for Ukraine to purchase fishing boats and/or seaplane(s) so Ukraine can sit in waiting for the ruSSian ships to enter/leave Cuba into international waters. I imagine the fishing boats/seaplanes acting like the mother ship for a bunch or rubber boats. Once Ukraine gets word the ruSSian ships are approaching international waters, Ukraine launches a bunch of manned rubber boats (to lower radar footprint) with several of those wonderfully effective Ukrainian sea drones in various strategic places to discreetly sit and wait. When the ruSSian ships are in range, the rubber boats launch the swarms of sea drones and...
@@marijnnn4992 The sub is nuclear powered so let's stay away from that. As many ruSSian nuclear subs at the bottom of the sea due to ruSSia's incompetence scares the s..tuff out of me.
Those Russian ships are no threat to Ukraine for as long as Turkey keeps the Bosporus closed to warships. Ukraine has been careful about attacking targets that do not pose a threat or whose destruction does not offer a tactical advantage, and for good reason.
It is a disgrace that the Dutch Navy doesn't have at least 2 (preferably 4) Hospital ships that can be deployed anywhere in the World when there are disasters or wars.
Bruh we barely have 4 seperately functioning hospitals in our country, there’s been so many budget cuts to both the healthcare sector and our defence budget that what you’re asking isn’t feasible or realistic at all at this time maybe after this fleet replacement ( but probably not we are much too small a country)
Well, I’ve got news for you: the Dutch navy already has three ships with a very serious hospital function on board: the Karel Doorman, Rotterdam and Johan de Wit. They can be deployed to give aid anywhere in the world. No navy has ships anymore that are only hospital ships, that’s not serious in this modern times. The hospital capacity is more than enough for a navy the size of the Dutch navy. There are other priorities.
Ah, didn't know the Ukrainians had diving sea drones that can reach subs now? If anything it shows the absolute failure that is the Russian navy, not how effective an RC boat with some explosives is...
Haha. We Dutch people like to plan thinks. The problem is our politics. Every 4 year the change there view of points and cut some things lose. So.. lets wait 15 years and review his words, because i think the half would be cut.
fyi Tomahawk has been continuously upgraded over the years. Current Block V make it one of the most modern and effective naval cruise missiles currently in service. what is the problem with Romania? it is only building a fleet support ship, cutting edge frigates are built in NL
@@lordtemplar9274 Cutting edge frigates are built in Romania as well by Damen, Fincantieri and many other shipyards... do some research before you post comments. Romania has a long history of building ships to the highest standards. Another example is the build of the most advance research vessel in the world wich is also the most powerful ice breaker in the world and it was built in Romania.....
@@lordtemplar9274 I don't remember the name of the model, but there are a few of them under construction for a few arab countries and are built by Damen, some of them allready been delivered and also a few corvettes and logistical ships and tankers. You can google search...
Got plenty of money to build houses. But no land, environmental permits are a nightmare, and to top it all off we chased off all potential investors with crazy new regulations around building code and the house letting business.
There'd be very little housing at all if we didn't have some defense capability, even an LBO'er like you should be able to grasp that simple fact. Stick to gaming.
Because Romania has a long history of building ships to the highest standards at lower costs. Cutting edge frigates are built in Romania by Damen, Fincantieri and many other shipyards.The most advanced research vessel in the world wich is also the most powerful ice breaker in the world was built in Romania.....
@@marijnnn4992 Did you even watch the video???? The tankers wil by build in Romania plus 10 minehunters from a total of 12, 6 for NL and 6 for Belgium, only 2 minhunters will by built in Belgium.
@@vincentvanhuijstee9764 And........ what is your point???? the shipyards are in Romania and romanian engineers, welders, workers...... build them. I don't understand what is your problem.......
The French submarines was chosen for a single reason: our corrupt prime minister (our worst prime minister ever, which is why the Dutch dislike him, life only got worse because of him) pressured for the French subs to get support from Macron for him to become NATO secretary general. He wants to get this post but in fact destroyed the Dutch military with huge cuts and never did abide to the NATO 2% norm. He never served in the military. It would be a shame if he gets this post. The LPD's are not that old at all and are still capable enough to be replaced. They can transport LCU's and smaller landingcraft. You can move them further out to conduct landing operations. They are also capable to transport army equipment like Leopard 2 A6, CV9035 and Pzh2000 and bring them to shore with LCU's. This gives the marines support with real firepower.
Please Dutch return the name of our map to Greater Sunda Island, there was no Java island in Indonesia before. You changed it to Java Island, which means using Arabic letters taken from the word JAWI/JAVI. Please Westerners, especially Dutch people, US, NATO return our original Sunda names to YOUR maps. We are not an Arab nation, 1 million people have left Islam and returned to their religion, namely Sundanese. We were forced to convert to Islam because our kingdom was defeated by Islamic rebels in the 16th century . GET BACK THE NAME OF OUR ISLAND, The island of Java never existed. The Dutch must be responsible for turning Sunda into a JAVA island.
Maybe no one told you this, but the Dutch are no longer in charge of java and indonesia. Havent been for a few decades, so maybe ask this of the java/indonesia authorities.
The Embassy of the Kingdom of the Netherlands in Japan announced on June 10, 2024 that the Dutch Navy frigate Tromp arrived at the Port of Nagasaki in Nagasaki Prefecture. As Japanese people, we warmly welcome the Royal NetherlandsNavy's visit to Japan.
駐日オランダ王国大使館は2024年6月10日、オランダ海軍のフリゲート「トロンプ」が、長崎県の長崎港に入港したことを発表しました。Royal Netherlands Navyの日本寄港を日本人として大いに歓迎いたします。
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@@DaveSCameron For you!
あなたの為に！
@@n1k2-ja46 We might live far away, but we are all friends who like peace and freedom. I like the Japanese people (and also the architecture and culture) ------ 私たちは遠くに住んでいるかもしれませんが、平和と自由を好む友人です。私は日本人が好きです（そして建築と文化も好きです）翻訳機を使いました 🇳🇱
Thank You so much, we greatly honor our Japanese friends as they welcome our friends from Belgium to their ports. Thanks from Texas!
gotta love the Dutch
always professional and no bs
You have never seen Dutch politicians then 😂. Always unprofessional and they use a lot of words to say nothing.
@@irfanbilir7807 the "they use a lot of words to say nothing." part is just politicians in general.
@@irfanbilir7807 ooh poor kid having such a bad life in the Netherlands .. if they were that incompotent why are we one of the riches countries and why do high educated people want to live here ? and yes .. if you just wont finish your education you probably have a less better job and lifestyle ! but that's all up to YOU !
thank u for the compliment ! we are doing our best here ! and dont let those ignorant people get to you with those stupid comments like @irfanbilir7807 ! he is just not educated enough !
@@richardhltrp1791 Its a joke not a dick. Dont take it so hard richard. Tering zeikerd...
Good to see the cooperation with Belgium with each taking a lead in different classes. The Dutch were the FIRST Country to have dedicated Marines just before the Royal Marines UK.
The Dutch Marines fought their first real battle at Raid on the Medway during the Second Anglo-Dutch War in June 1667.
Mariniers they are called in Dutch.. hence the term 'Marines'
You can see how serious they are about protecting their ports with all the anti-mine stuff.
What exactly are 'dedicated' marines? Ancient egyptians had marines, the romans had 2 legions specifically trained for marine operations. Venice created marine units in 1130 and the Spanish Marines we're established in 1537. Whats the difference concerning them all?
@@ralphklunder Dedicated role. The Dutch marines are considered the first in a dedicated amphibious assault role with permanent stationing on a ship. Ofcourse there are more examples of soldiers jumping of a ship to fight on land but those troops had also their garrison somewhere on land. The ship was just the transport. I'm not sure what marine operations those Roman legions performed but I'd like to learn.
I am extremely proud of our defense🇳🇱🇳🇱. Since 2024, I have also partly joined the Defense Department as an on-call worker and work as a truck driver for defense.👍
See? When I was young, our Airforce, Army and Navy were great employers. You earned good, you got a good retirement. Now they hire you as a call-worker. The Netherlands should be ashamed. They tell to you "bend over" and you do it. Jesus, buy a truck yourself, get yourself a future. Run away!
Wish we could do more, maybe double budget to what.. 30 billion? It allows for loads of jobs, and innovation, so it's not money thrown away either.
Always proud of the people defending us. Peace time may look nice and it's easy to criticize the military, but when they're needed, everyone will rejoice that they exist.
I am proud of them too but the enemies are already in our cities, what good are boats gonna do?
I don't understand your comment, you mean to say that the enemies are already in our city? That has nothing to do with my message...
@@Botzz hes talking about the people who immigrated a few years after he did... 😉
Its just crazy to think that such a tiny country used the be the most dominant naval power on earth basically fighting their own never ending world war from the 1600s till the 1950s
Tiny country proved that nation states are very toxic to humanity...
Being rich af helps.
Till the 1950s is a bit optimistic. Till the end of the 17th century is close to the truth. After that is was finished.
@@MarcoTheHague yeah the country might be rich but its people hell no.
Their biggest achievement was, creating land, and make innovations, like windmills, while being suppressed by the Spanish King, and his henchman.
Because of these windmills, Dutch could build ships faster than any other European country...
All in a time that the Dutch paid more than 50% of the Spanish income, because of taxation...
Dutch ships are always modern in shape, they have the most beautiful shapes
Like their women ❤
@@sparkiegaz3613 ...treu most of the time
Absolutely. Pakistan Navy will have 4 Dutch OPVs 😊
Shape doesn’t matter. Armament and sensors matter
Except their women....
The Dutch navy has a good reputation and their Marine force is extremely well trained.
the tanker looks absolutely beautifull
A stealth tanker, right? I agree, looks really slick
The hull is already afloat. Damen shipyard is currently installing the equipment.
Wow. Serious intentions. Impressive.
Getting ready for the Dutch east indies corporation 2.0 😅
@@mysterioanonymous3206 haha
Funny that he speaks English with such a strong accent but with such speed and confidence in his ability.
most of the Dutch speak english as a 2th language . visit NL .. try to speak Dutch and a Dutchie will switch to English for you. 😁
Also: NATO/ OTAN personell speaks either english or french, so no surprises there. You'd expect everyone to be fluent in both. Imagine if even at the lowest level that wouldn't be the case, in any combat scenario.. crazy.
@@Aaaaaron320 Ik ben Nederlands, maar ik vond de combinatie wel grappig
How does that differ from many Brits and all Americans?
Thats Dutch ppl in general
The air defender frigates should be top priority for the Dutch navy! With massive stores of Vertical Launch System (VLS) or long-range missiles.
The Dutch are getting new submarines? People who anger the Netherlands should be really worried.
The Dutch submarine force was probably the most effective of World War II. Don’t go anywhere near an upset Dutch submarine if they aren’t happy with you.
Me? I love this. I’m Canadian🇨🇦. We love our Dutch brothers and sisters.
We love you to CANADA, upon we never forget...80 years ago👊
Dutch submarine force the most effective in ww 2 really??😮
@@rikspring
Count ships sunk by number of boats employed.
They are getting 4 Subs from France that are based on the French Suffren SSN design but conventionally powered DE/AIP. This design should be a contender for the upcoming RCN Sub replacement project (if it happens).
@@Harldin
It’s possible, but the RCN wants SSNs.
The Dutch are getting their navy back. Nice!
We are not on our highest level yet.😂
We already have a navy. It’s just gets a huge upgrade in the next couple of years. The ZP Class is still a fine fregat and will be sold to another ally after replacement. The subs are getting old though
@@MrJimheeren i didn’t mean it as in you didn’t have a navy already…
@@jouniairplanevideos getting there tho
Geezus, did the Dutch Navy win the lottery or what ? 😀
Basically, before 2022 the plan was to join the army with Germany (one tank division so far) saving costs that could be invested in the cyber, Airforce and navy.
Never forget that the army had to shout *Pang Pang* because bullets were too expensive.
After 2022, well... Let's say we finally (depending on calculations) hit the 2% and we are on track to slightly increase this for next year, meaning big bucks... We are the 16th economy of the world after all.
It's a prosperous country.
@@cornee111120
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De Nederlandse soldaten hebben nooit pang pang geroepen op een schietbaan of oefenterrein
Dat is een broodje aap verhaal
😂😂
@@cornee111120 the pang pang training was a long time ago
Worth keeping an eye on.
I love that we do the EDA now 🎉 Everyone is stepping up 👍
i actually hope Belgium will also parter up and buy 1 or 2 air defence frigates when the Dutch launch those ships. Our gouvernement who are still forming said they are looking into a multi role ship 2 more frigats and 2 more coastal defence ships. Since we are partnered up with the Dutch i really hope it will become reality and we will finally have a navy
If I am not mistaken the two navy's are integrated though, so all vessels pretty much act in the service of both countries.
Very impressed with the Dutch leadership. For the ASW drone it should be much faster than 20 knots IMO. The Dutch are always forward thinking. They do have their own interests to satisfy.
Impressive navy.
Really 😮
@@rikspringId say so, for a country with less population than New york and its surrounding cities.
🫡 from California
I'd like to know more about this "High Energy Laser" on the ASW Frigates. Did not know one existed that is in production. The US has a couple I think but not sure if they perform well.
I guess if the concept didn’t work previously, some company in the Netherlands improved it and made it viable
Great cover ''X''🏆
Oh wow 😮 They are going to get vessels from Finland 🇫🇮 🎉 That is good stuff 🎉 3:19
The Netherlands has done what the USA, UK and Canada have failed to do, maintain a high momentum naval shipbuilding capability.
ud most ships are for different countries or just rich civilians
@@marijnnn4992 Regardless of who they're made for it's important to retain those skills in your shipbuilding industry, which is what some NATO members have failed to do.
I agree with what you say to some extent but the U.K. has not completely destroyed its naval shipbuilding capability but has significantly reduced its capability due to lack of investment and making skilled shipbuilders in the past redundant because its cheaper to build elsewhere. BAE Systems and Babcock still build great naval ships in the U.K. like, the type 26/31 and don’t forget the two large aircraft carriers and Britains nuclear submarines. Including the new Dreadnought class. More ships are in the pipeline as well, including the type 83 which is a large naval ship. The problem for the U.K., there are a lot of old shipyards left disused around the country which could be brought back into service if the money is there to reinvest in new infrastructure and train up more skilled jobs to build them. It will be a gradual rise for the Royal Navy instead of a heroic rise to former glory.
@@lg5819 Noted, good point
Highly questionable. Besides Damen shipyards hardly anything exists anymore. And even Damen does a lot of the building in Rumania.
Building the new submarines in France is yet another blow to the Dutch shipbuilding capacity.
That admiral talks really fast !
Got places to go, people to see
It wasn’t an admiral, but captain at sea: we address to him as colonel
@@jturkenburg8867 Okay the captain/colonel talks really fast ! Better?
@@christianjunghanel6724 We in the netherlands say than: He is rap van tong......................
Question: If the Netherlands Navy are opting for 6 Multipurpose LHD vessels, does that mean an increase or reorganisation of the Naval Aviation Branch???
Royal Dutch Navy , one off the best little country but great and big navy.⚓
This looks great, but I was thinking there would be some plans for unmanned small drone vehicles like Ukraine is using or slightly larger.
As a French I would love to see Damen LSTs to improve our Amphibious capabilities in our navy, they look so fiiiiine !
It needs more than looks alone… Besides that France has enough capabilities to build amphibious ships.
It is interesting to see if France chooses for smaller amphibious ships, like the UK and The Netherlands. My point of view is that diversity would be the best, with only small amphibious ships one loses capability. Big powers seem to stick to bigger amphibious ships and even smaller countries who never used to have them buy them (Egypt, Turkey).
@@marcsetmais7598 Yes of course looks isn't everything, it is just a fantasy haha. I don't think there's a need for that in the French navy, the 3 LHD handle the amphibious needs.
However I know that there is an option in the new military procurement law that includes the study of a recreation of an light LST class for the overseas for multipurpose roles. :)
They make a long term plans and, I assume, stick to it. Amazing!
nah the dutch goverments only stick to long term plans if it benifits the pockets of those in power.
Yes, here's our long term defense plan of the past two decades:
*Do nothing, sell equipment*
nice don't mess with Dutchies
the dutch navy small but modern and profesional in multitasking :)
nice
instead of 8 auxiliary vessels the RNLN could do with 2 Flarna class 46,823 ton (54,320 ton loaded) stealth (CATOBAR) aircraft carrier powered by MFT-40B® iFuelCell3™ M-FEP system . . . unit cost €4.30 Bn - €5.83 Bn (approx) subject to vary . . . through private sector equity disinvestment solutions & venture capital the RNLN can operate 2 carrier strike groups . . . without having to blow the defense budget . . . note the RNLN did operate carrier strike groups in the past during & post ww2 . . .
The amphib ships if flattops are chosen they will double as dronecarriers.
where a the 4 aircraft carriers ?
I think the US did not like the idea of integrating the tomahawk launch system in the French built subs. So how are they gonna solve that?
The Dutch can procure cruise missiles from MBDA if the USA refuse to sell them Tomahawk
@@NavalNews That would be a option. It would make the EU less dependent on the US.
@@NavalNews That's true but our navy called it crap basically 😂 so 2 options left. We continue with these subs with cruise missiles or we cancelled the frence subs
They don't like it i think. We changed from German to Dutch subs and now frence during the procurement phase.
@@NavalNews not going to happen
The Dutch have a long and illustrious naval history.....................I wish my German was as fluent as this officer's English. Extraordinary.
Les Griffiths
The Dutch don't speak German, but...Dutch
Nice video, but djeez, why do these ppt slides always look crappy. As a Dutch military representative I would expect that he has some support from a communications department for this.
Ik ben trots dat onze vloot er zo op vooruit gaat
Ja geef ze de pincode er ook direct maar bij dan...
We hebben zo enorm veel scheepsbouwers in Nederland .Ik begrijp het al .. De staal industrie is in handen van India .
10/10 English with a 11/10 accent. Amazing
how is that the netherlands have the same amount of frigates and so on then belg? like how
difference is that the Belgian ships are mostly old Dutch ships, and the Dutch ships are new.
Proud to be 🇳🇱!
Now that our government has finally woken up from its decades long lethargic attitude toward keeping our armed forces in shape, hence now rapidly increasing the desperately needed defence budget. Seems to me that in regard to our navy, it looks as if this budget will be very well spent!
Thanks to our NATO allies too, in this case special thanks to our Belgian friends!
Let's see what Greet W. has in store for us in the comming years eh? I for one am not to sure this parlement will go forward with any urgency (wich they really should). Our subs are done. Here's to hope 'in bange dagen' houzee!
De Fransen gaan de onderzeeboten bouwen. Ik vermoed dat dat een weggevertje was zodat Rutte baas van de navo kan worden.
@@schepvogelk5971 Liever een bedrijf dat weet hoe ze een romp moeten bouwen voor een onderzeeër, dan een Nederlands bedrijf dat daar geen kennis meer over in huis heeft. Daarbij zullen er een hele hoop NL bedrijven meewerken aan de instrumenten in deze onderzeeërs. Damen gaat volgens mij ook die 4 fregatten bouwen.
@@JorgenKremer De Marine had duidelijk voorkeur voor de Damen-Saab samenwerking. Saab heeft Zweedse onderzeeboten gebouwd. En als ze er ergens verstand van hebben wat de goede keuze is dan is dat bij de Marine zelf.
De narcist Rutte heeft een beslissing doorgeduwd waar alleen hij beter van wordt en het land slechter. Iets waar zijn hele carrière en beleid op gebaseerd is als vijand van het NL volk.
De ervaringen die Australië heeft met dat Franse bedrijf zijn zo slecht dat ze zich terugtrokken omdat de Fransen zich niet aan afspraken hielden: het wordt de varende Fyra.
Koop ze dan liever van de plank bij een andere NAVO partner.
@@michielotsen6317 The new government has agreed to put the NATO 2% norm in the law. This means we as a nation have to abide to the 2% NATO agreement. But actually this is not enough after all that Rutte destroyed (which is not just the military but a lot more unfortunatly). It was him who wanted additional cuts after the military was already on its knees. We will have to go to 3-4% to repair the damage done by Rutte and his regime to the military. And even then it will probably take decades. And now the narcissist that destroyed our military (and much more) wants to become NATO secretary general.
In 1999 we had 330 main battle tanks, 16 surface combatants and 183 fighter jets. Just to name the 3 primary weapon systems. This is where we should go to again as a minimum.
That's a big shopping bag
Are the Dutch submarines torpedo tubes tomahawk compatible?
Not anymore probably
Probably not because our corrupt prime minister forced to choose the French subs (similar to the ones Australia backed out from because to many problems, which are not Tomahawk capable), just to get Macron's support to become next NATO secretary general. The person who destroyed the Dutch military by huge cuts, never met the 2% norm and never served in the military to get NATO SG would be a total disgrace. Apart from that he is known for lots of scandals and lies.
Only someone from a NATO country that abides to the 2% norm and article 3 should be able to become SG of NATO.
@@jouniairplanevideos yes they are, the new ones will be again tomahawk compatible.
Lucky we got enough personal to keep the boats even afloat..
They need not only renew their entire fleet, but at least double it as well...
We dont have the manpower. Need to increase salaries to compete with regular jobs.
Aha dat is waar al onze belastingcenten naar toe gaan.
Im going to university and all but i kinda just want to join the navy
1 problem with the Tomahawk USA don't want its systeem on a French submarine
Jangan memandang rendah Indonesia,
Indonesia negara dengan jumlah penduduk 300 juta adalah potensi besar dari aspek ekonomi dan pertahanan negara .
Indonesia adalah negara ASEAN yang berani menghadapi agresif militer China di Laut China Selatan.
Indonesia kaya sumber daya alam dan kaya akan sumber daya manusia maka Indonesia siap bekerja sama dengan negara manapun dengan prinsip saling menghormati
Waarom bouwen wij onze schepen in Roemenië? 🤔 En niet zeggen dat het om geld draait... Je zou bijna denken dat wij 'outsourcing' hebben uitgevonden 🤯
Roemenië is EU. En dat zijn wij. Voor een Europeaan maakt het niks uit. Voor een nationalist natuurlijk wel.
Omdat wij investeren in schepen en niet in onze scheepswerven, waardoor we die schepen niet hier kunnen bouwen.
@@TABZ4KG Wij kunnen wel degelijk een scheepsromp bouwen. Maar de Roemenen kunnen dat goedkoper. Als die romp klaar is, wordt ie afgebouwd met spullen van Hollandse Signaal (Thales), EADS, BAE, Oerlikon enz. Het is een modulair systeem waarmee je alle kanten op kunt.
Jongens, ze worden gebouwd in Roemenie door het Nederlandse Damen Shipyards uit Gorinchem. Damen heeft werven over de hele wereld en met de opdrachten die ze hebben van de Koninklijke Marine moeten ze wel uitwijken naar hun andere werven buiten Nederland.
@@hardyvonwinterstein5445 "Roemenië is EU. En dat zijn wij. Voor een Europeaan maakt het niks uit. Voor een nationalist natuurlijk wel."
Wat een bedrogsredenering.
Er zitten daadwerkelijk verschillen tussen beide naties, en we leven niet in 'The United States of Europe', desondanks dat federale eurofielen dat maar al te graag willen.
3:12 mini LHD. Yes please for both the Dutch and the British ;)
Will do rgds from the 🇳🇱👌
That ship is way too small for the MRSS requirement
@@admiralmallard7500 nope, will be around T6500
@@manuellangius2896 6500 tons? thats tiny, especially for the UK program
@@admiralmallard7500 the t 6500 is for the asw frigate (6500 is it for now but it will be more.. its in the design stage at the moment) not the landing assault vessel.
Naval group Orka class
No, it is the Barracuda Blacksword limited edition... mines, kongsberg naval missile, mk 48 adcap and tomahawks. Also the capability to launch marines under/ shallow water....close to the shore as possible.👌
@@manuellangius2896 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orka-class_submarine. Barracuda Blacksword is the name of the design used by Naval Group. Orka is the name announced by the Dutch for the first Sub to be built, thus the class of 4 Subs will be called by the Dutch the Orka class.
seems that defense is getting way too much of our taxes ... if they can replace the whole fleet within a few years ... NUTS!
I cannot believe we're having the french/belguims engineer renew our fleets. What a waste of money...
Can there still be made a difference between ''underwater-priority'' and ''air defence priority'' ?
Every time, our Navies (the German Navy as well is cooperating with the Netherlands) make this difference, I ask myself:
Can our vessels make a choice out at sea, as if they were sitting at a green table, smoking cigars and deciding: ''This is not our enemy, because he is attacking underwater....''? Of course I exaggerated this example, but the drones will be everywhere in the future - so every Frigate or Corvette, the Tank-Vessel shown here... They ALL must be capable for air defense AND for torpedo-/submarine-defense... Asked the other way round: How ''differently specialized'' ships still can be in the close future ?
Wanneer mogen we hier over stemmen ?
I'm a bit disappointed that the whole fleet is not built in the Netherlands, but in Romania and Belgium as well.😏
Is it wise to be so open about weaponry? Potential Ennemies are watching to
they will probably know anyway
😍👏👍🤙🧡🇳🇱
daarom zijn de appels zo duur
Waar haal je al die zeemannen vandaan ?
Lemmer & urk😂
A.I. en robots? A.I. attack drones? A.I. replacement people ? A.I. repair? When land comm is down?
lol uiteindelijk 1 boot erbij met structurele problemen XD
Do you Dutch lads want some SSN subs? We can build some for you. RN
They've already got a conventional sub program underway.
Plus SSNs are a bit large for the Baltic region
Not without getting clearance from the US to export the reactor technology you can't, and the US has already said Australia is a one off and won't be repeated.
@@admiralmallard7500 Dutch Subs operate mainly in the North Atlantic, tend to be larger than other Euro SSKs.
@Harldin Fair. Though looking at the issues surrounding the affordability of the Orka program I doubt it would be in their budget anyway
Je merkt niet dat tie uit nederland komt
Not having mechanics on board is a bad idea
15 years, don't think so. 25 possible
Goed voor de werkgelegenheid zou je denken....maar nee, we bouwen ze niet in Nederland....uh, uh , uh , uh , uh , uh .....
as Indonesian i hope they don't use it to Invade Indonesia, again
see u in 2030 😂😂😂😂
@@Aaaaaron320 we still have that Sharp Bamboo
You are already conquered by Islam....🤣🤣🤣
Still living in the past..
Your nasi goreng too good we need to come get it, again. Actually I think there is potential for more cooperation in the future given there are win/win interests for both available and there is a larger shared threat in the region/world, but it will depend on both countries leadership and developments or tldr just geopolitics.
Time to take Brazil back from the Portuguese!
We have nice boat, but i would not call it a fleet. The clowns dont even have an amphibious warship. Just a few crazy good frigates and leaky submarines.
Is all this from 2% of GDP… damn… didnt knew that we were that rich! I understand why so much ships because we are next to the sea.. but who’s paying for it? Oh wait…. Thats me :(
30 seconds before a word is spoken. Too long.
Twenty frigates 40 destroyers four aircraft carriers twenty attack submarines 12 amphibious ships 😮😮😮😮 😂😂
Wait wait wait. Are Dutch preparing for war or smth? Whos sponsoring all of this? These ships arent cheap....
P.S 04:07 • Role of Germany?
We Dutchies are still pretty rich.. and we are efficient. It will be done!
War on the continent creates a reason to buff up the military, especially because Trump showed we cannot rely on the US. Military spending has doubled since 2015 and should go up with another couple billion a year to meet the 2% norm.
This is more of a 'Sorry NATO that we've been lagging behind for decades on the 2% norm' from the Dutch government if anything.
@@MChagall That goes both ways, seeing how our lackluster spending and selling off equipment in peace time doesn't exactly make us a reliable partner either.
Originally the future air defender was a joint Dutch-German program, but it was cancelled (or rather halted) due to multiple differences. From what I read on wikipedia they are still investigating if they can come to a new agreement with Germany or potentially other European countries to participate in developing these ships.
Nu weten we waarom de overheid de belasting op onderanderen energie blijft handhaven. Wel vreemd dat er zoveel wordt geinvesteerd terwijl 80% van de overheidsuitgaven ondoorzichtig. Niemand lijkt accountable tot grote frustratie van de centrale rekenkamer.
Het defensie budget is maar 2% van het BNP dus wat wil je nou eigenlijk zeggen met je opmerking? Toch niet dat we te veel geld uitgeven aan defensie?
Meanwhile the UK...
I hope that our (Dutch) government will find the funds to reconnect with the UK`s MRSS program.
We split do funding issues
What are you talking about
The UK Navy is in a massively different league to the Dutch
Meanwhile in the UK what? We're replacing our frigate fleet currently and have an amphib program and future destroyer program being worked on before 2040
What, all three ships?😂
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@@jeroenwubbels7824 Ik weet niet helemaal wat je bedoelt maar onze Marine heeft 6 oppervlakte gevechtsschepen?
@@DudemeisterNL typo, 9 dus (subs)
My child has a new teacher. She's the no-nonsense type and doesn't cowtow to arrogant cliques. There's no "*whiny voice* Everyone should be the same *whiny voice* Every kid should be able to do the same things" in her classroom. One girl was being bullied by the rest of the class, so she picked three popular kids and over the course of a few weeks she kept picking on them and ridiculing them. The bullying quickly stopped and that girl can now go to school in safety. We're very happy with such a good teacher 😊
About those ruSSian ships going to Cuba. Perhaps someone should start a go fund me account for Ukraine to purchase fishing boats and/or seaplane(s) so Ukraine can sit in waiting for the ruSSian ships to enter/leave Cuba into international waters. I imagine the fishing boats/seaplanes acting like the mother ship for a bunch or rubber boats. Once Ukraine gets word the ruSSian ships are approaching international waters, Ukraine launches a bunch of manned rubber boats (to lower radar footprint) with several of those wonderfully effective Ukrainian sea drones in various strategic places to discreetly sit and wait. When the ruSSian ships are in range, the rubber boats launch the swarms of sea drones and...
just a bunch of ukrain drones there and guys on fishing boats controlling them would do the trick for all bud the submarine
@@marijnnn4992 The sub is nuclear powered so let's stay away from that. As many ruSSian nuclear subs at the bottom of the sea due to ruSSia's incompetence scares the s..tuff out of me.
Those Russian ships are no threat to Ukraine for as long as Turkey keeps the Bosporus closed to warships. Ukraine has been careful about attacking targets that do not pose a threat or whose destruction does not offer a tactical advantage, and for good reason.
They are not good seafarers any more
It is a disgrace that the Dutch Navy doesn't have at least 2 (preferably 4) Hospital ships that can be deployed anywhere in the World when there are disasters or wars.
Bruh we barely have 4 seperately functioning hospitals in our country, there’s been so many budget cuts to both the healthcare sector and our defence budget that what you’re asking isn’t feasible or realistic at all at this time maybe after this fleet replacement ( but probably not we are much too small a country)
Well, I’ve got news for you: the Dutch navy already has three ships with a very serious hospital function on board: the Karel Doorman, Rotterdam and Johan de Wit. They can be deployed to give aid anywhere in the world.
No navy has ships anymore that are only hospital ships, that’s not serious in this modern times.
The hospital capacity is more than enough for a navy the size of the Dutch navy. There are other priorities.
And then it all gets taken out by much cheaper sea drones like what's currently happening in the Ukraine conflict
Ah, didn't know the Ukrainians had diving sea drones that can reach subs now?
If anything it shows the absolute failure that is the Russian navy, not how effective an RC boat with some explosives is...
Haha. We Dutch people like to plan thinks. The problem is our politics. Every 4 year the change there view of points and cut some things lose. So.. lets wait 15 years and review his words, because i think the half would be cut.
So 40 yr old Tomahawks and ships built in Rumania. UGHH where to start.
If you dont want to pay 5 times as much than yes building them in Romania is smarter.
fyi Tomahawk has been continuously upgraded over the years. Current Block V make it one of the most modern and effective naval cruise missiles currently in service.
what is the problem with Romania? it is only building a fleet support ship, cutting edge frigates are built in NL
@@lordtemplar9274 Cutting edge frigates are built in Romania as well by Damen, Fincantieri and many other shipyards... do some research before you post comments. Romania has a long history of building ships to the highest standards. Another example is the build of the most advance research vessel in the world wich is also the most powerful ice breaker in the world and it was built in Romania.....
@@Shadow19939 which cutting edge frigate is built in Romania?
@@lordtemplar9274 I don't remember the name of the model, but there are a few of them under construction for a few arab countries and are built by Damen, some of them allready been delivered and also a few corvettes and logistical ships and tankers. You can google search...
gotta hate that our government will only show care for its military when we needlessly risk ourselves going into war
No houses for the young people.. but! We have the newest fleet!! Great… #notmydept #notmywar
Got plenty of money to build houses. But no land, environmental permits are a nightmare, and to top it all off we chased off all potential investors with crazy new regulations around building code and the house letting business.
There'd be very little housing at all if we didn't have some defense capability, even an LBO'er like you should be able to grasp that simple fact.
Stick to gaming.
Why building in Romania and what a small bathtub navy so little ships …(few)
only 1 support ship is getting made in romania and for how small the country is it isnt bad
Because Romania has a long history of building ships to the highest standards at lower costs. Cutting edge frigates are built in Romania by Damen, Fincantieri and many other shipyards.The most advanced research vessel in the world wich is also the most powerful ice breaker in the world was built in Romania.....
@@marijnnn4992 Did you even watch the video???? The tankers wil by build in Romania plus 10 minehunters from a total of 12, 6 for NL and 6 for Belgium, only 2 minhunters will by built in Belgium.
Build in Romania by Damen Shipyards. A Dutch company that owns shipyards all over the world.
@@vincentvanhuijstee9764 And........ what is your point???? the shipyards are in Romania and romanian engineers, welders, workers...... build them. I don't understand what is your problem.......
Als ze dat willen dan betalen ze het zelf maar.want het Nederlandse volk wil het niet.We betalen al genoeg belasting in Nederland
The French submarines was chosen for a single reason: our corrupt prime minister (our worst prime minister ever, which is why the Dutch dislike him, life only got worse because of him) pressured for the French subs to get support from Macron for him to become NATO secretary general. He wants to get this post but in fact destroyed the Dutch military with huge cuts and never did abide to the NATO 2% norm. He never served in the military. It would be a shame if he gets this post.
The LPD's are not that old at all and are still capable enough to be replaced. They can transport LCU's and smaller landingcraft. You can move them further out to conduct landing operations. They are also capable to transport army equipment like Leopard 2 A6, CV9035 and Pzh2000 and bring them to shore with LCU's. This gives the marines support with real firepower.
Please Dutch return the name of our map to Greater Sunda Island, there was no Java island in Indonesia before. You changed it to Java Island, which means using Arabic letters taken from the word JAWI/JAVI.
Please Westerners, especially Dutch people, US, NATO return our original Sunda names to YOUR maps. We are not an Arab nation, 1 million people have left Islam and returned to their religion, namely Sundanese.
We were forced to convert to Islam because our kingdom was defeated by Islamic rebels in the 16th century .
GET BACK THE NAME OF OUR ISLAND, The island of Java never existed.
The Dutch must be responsible for turning Sunda into a JAVA island.
Maybe no one told you this, but the Dutch are no longer in charge of java and indonesia. Havent been for a few decades, so maybe ask this of the java/indonesia authorities.
I dont want to pay tax no more for this bullshit