Eli's four things he looks for on tape at QB + how he's helping Giants search
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ก.พ. 2025
- Dan and Nick break down what the addition of Eli Manning means to the Giants QB search, the four things Eli pinpointed he needs to see on tape at QB, Jaxson Dart's rise at the Senior Bowl and what it means plus Eli's eval of Dart.
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A note on #4 Taking sacks that he shouldn't. An old Eli interview where he talks about his rookie season. Eli was told to map every blitz package of every play in a notebook during the games while he watched Kurt Warner , ordered by Tom Coughlin. Coughlin would then review the notebook by tuesday with little notes if any at all. One week Eli decided to mail in the dedication of mapping every play, lo and behold that notebook came back full of Red Ink. Its no surprise Eli ranks taking sacks that he shouldn't to such a high standard.
Cool, I never heard that.
Great note here ! - Dan
Unfortunately so many Giants fans and content creators have become venomous and self-aggrandizing...It's too bad because some of them have good insights, but it's not worth wading through the toxic sludge to get to it. I appreciate that you guys have dodged that bullet during these ugly years
I agree 100% with you guys about Eli and his role. Also, I’m tired of reading that race is an issue. I honestly believe the Giants don’t care what color the new QB will be. Ludicrous…..
You're right. The Giants have drafted plenty of black QBs.
@ I don’t pay attention to anyone’s skin color since I am also of color.
@CynthiaGeorgette unfortunately you aren't a scout or one of the people who have the opportunity to draft players for the Giants. However bias exist amongst others
@@jamesmccracken2542exactly
@@jamesmccracken2542mostly just with you. How about having a conversation about how much better LaNoriss Sellers is than any QB in this draft especially Ward & Sanders. Stop lying to yourself and get a real life. DJ was drafted cause DeWayne Haskins was the only other option after Herbert went back to school. Do you still prefer Haskins over Jones? You are the reason people hate NY.
Can’t thank you guys enough - great pod as always.
I'm 100% aligned on Dan's thinking on Daniel Jones.. I will never forgive the Giants for not only drafting Daniel Jones, but forcing him onto us the fans for 6 fuckin years!!! It's an outrage!
Delusion and denial are not viable strategies, and particularly in sports. In politics you're fine because you're not doing anything important anyway and can just lie afterward. But in sports there are those pesky games you have to play in public for everyone to see, and you can't just pretend it's a marketing exercise or a political ad you can immediately forget about after making it. The games are taking place and you will be exposed. But instead the bean counting imbeciles who now run everything try lying because that is what they're used to, and those lies accumulate and accumulate until you become the Browns. And how many have piled up now? My estimate is the original lie when it comes to the Giants was pretending that Eli was still a great QB several years after he had stopped being one. A small lie, perhaps, and told for sentimental reasons I have no doubt. But still a lie, and one that led to the eventual drafting of Daniel Jones. if not for that first lie the Giants might have drafted Patrick Mahomes two years earlier like Ben Macadoo wanted them to. And naturally since they were now used to just lying their way out of failure that is what they kept on doing. The way liars are made and work is that once you start lying it is very hard to stop again.
Future Hall of Famer Eli Manning.
Good work as always
Myles Garrett requested a trade, so ideally Cleveland will take an edge/pass rusher in the draft to replace him. So if Tennessee takes Hunter, Cleveland takes an edge, NYG have their choice of QB’s.
It is very likely that both McCarthy, Nix and Penix are better than either of them. And all three were on the board when the Giants picked last year. That's what would bug me a lot more than JD, since that was never possible after the Win Streak anyway.
You guys are the best.
Thank guys!! Great show as always!!🏈🏈💙💙
Excellent content men!
I need these videos all throughout the offseason to keep hope
Always appreciate it!
Love listening to you guys.. keep up the good work… and anyone that wouldn’t want to hear Eli’s opinion on QBs is completely out of there minds. I would bet he knows more about who will be a good nfl QB then joe freakin Schoen!!! Love the sound effects Dan.
We know Daboll wants to push the ball down field. Thats a core of Daboll’s offense. To me, that means they would want Cam Ward. Making it look like they like Sanders is a smart smokescreen. Just my 2 cents
Something weird is someone done a interview with daboll asking him what you looking for in QB he said accuracy which is Sanders and yes I'm hoping for ward myself. Ward play for 3 colleges teams wash state was better when he was there and they got worse when he left. Got to a crappy u team and revitalized the u when there as well and same went for the small school team. Besides I rather him making plays with nabers
Thats future HOF Eli Manning!
Hooray! Maybe we can make it as pointless as the pro bowl or the MVP if we work really hard at it!?
Thanks fellas!
You're absolutely correct with the Eli and Daniel Jones quote has nothing he didn't drafting him.
I always felt Eli's biggest strength was the cause for a lot of his interceptions. He wasn't afraid to make a mistake. His greatest throw was probably the one to Manningham in the SB, and basically he admitted he just said fuck it and threw it.
Interesting to hear Eli's 4 criterions for evaluating QBs. Progressions, on time, anticipation, unnecessary sacks. All things Jones is not. Daboll is also looking for downfield accuracy and ability to run. Sounds like Cam Ward is the guy.
Take a shot when Dan says "From a ________ standpoint"
I heard Chris Snee was helping out at the Senior Bowl. Did you hear or see that?
Guys, as you get closer to the draft, do you ever do a show that predicts the most likely busts in the upcoming draft? My two candidates are SHEDEUR SANDERS and Travis Hunter. I think neither will translate to the NFL. I'm just a fan and don't know anything so I'm wondering if you guys ever do this type of analysis. I'd be very interested in such a show
Welcome back Guys, missed your views
The smartest GM in the world cannot boast about being mistake free. Drafting a QB is the most difficult challenge by far. I’m as far from being an expert as exists. I like both Cam and Sanders, but I’m not in love with either.
It’s perfectly understandable that most of Giants Fandom wants a QB. If we wind up with Hunter instead I’ll be thrilled.
do film breaks down on qbs
To your point Sanders played in Colorado where the weather gets worse than New York when it’s cold, 🥶 he didn’t play in Miami where the weather is always good
I agree with Dan on the Taysom Hill scenario for Jones. How about Denver and Sean Payton taking a shot, perhaps being influenced by Davis Web.
Only influence offensively on a Sean Payton team is Sean Payton.
Giants having a lot of personnel at senior bowl helps see how coachable they are and a sense for their personality. Could cause a change in the draft board I would think. I’m not sure it’s fair to evaluate QB’s that much though. You are throwing a new offense at them with receivers they have never thrown to also. Hardly a normal situation.
Dan… a plan can’t be that “the Giants need a top-5 / franchise altering QB”.
We can hope for that, but you can’t run a team just waiting and hoping
Of course not .. when you don’t have a chance at one you keep building the roster .. but you have to search for and never stop looking for omen
Isn't shedeur the one with anticipation throws and accuracy. Malil would thrive in that
There doesn’t seem to be a huge gap between the top 2 QBs and Jaxson Dart. That’s why I like idea of BPA at 3 and Dart later on
Dart not that good
WTF do people think he's supposed to say about the starting QB when he's a paid ambassador for the team. OF course he's gonna say something positive.
Can Dan go an episode without mentioning Daniel jones?
Plenty, Ryan. If you've listened to them all you know that to be true (literally every draft episode on prospects last April, defensive film reviews, etc) but you just can't seem to get out of your head how appalling it is to mention him still. I disagree wit that assessment. I believe when referencing issues at QB, or what we've had at QB and what we should be looking for etc, it would be idiotic to just have a baseline " I WONT MENTION JONES AGAIN!" stance. So I won't take that one. And in this particular reference, we are literally talking about how some fans discount Eli's opinion based on this.
- Dan
Why not listen to Eli? Clearly it can’t hurt imo. Nothing is guaranteed - I imagine GM Joe will most closely consider input from Dabs. Let’s get it right no matter how it plays out. Crossing fingers and toes! 👋🤞
How much worse can it get.
Huge Sanders and Colorado fan.... even bigger Big Blue Fan ---- my nightmare is drafting Sanders. I watched nearly every CO game. Sanders holds the ball too long. He averaged an NCAA leading 5 sacks (average) per game. Sanders waits for REC to get open and look for the ball to throw it... and as you all rightly point out that is NOT something you can do in the NFL and be successfully.
I do like Dart.... My dream draft is First pick - Hunter or Abdul and then target Dart. If that means having to trade up to the late first round.
Fact is Sanders is not a #3 pick talent at QB.... he just isnt. I LOVE him and I think he will be a solid QB in the NFL at the right team and right scheme.... but its not the Giants. But I can totally see the HC and GM taking a long shot to save their sobs and draft Sanders AND under up losing their jobs and screwing the Giants for another 5 years.
NYG places way too much value on performance in the senior bowl
Dan. Jones isn’t here anymore. He’s not coming back. We need to move on from bringing him up every single episode.
Why. 😂😅😂😅😂. It's amusing.
@@cooldude7821we average about 2-3 unperturbed DJ crash outs per episode lol
If the topic has to do with QB play, past or present, or something DJ had an impact on, or what to look for in future QBs ,etc OF COURSE I will use him as a reference. It would be idiotic not to. And I refuse to cater to this BS.
I don't talk about him on defensive film reviews, I don't talk about him on prospect profiles in April.
If we're talking QBs, he may get referenced.
Why the HELL does this bother you so much?
Daniel jones was a monster as a rookie in 12 games broke all the rookie QBs records at the time until Herbert went off with the OC that was in Philly when they lost in the SB now the Colts head coach great offensive mind maybe not a leader of men who knows.. Mara hand picked didnt even let Judge head coach pick his coaching staff.. jason garrett the guy who hadnt called plays in 10 years and now is on TV.. WASTED Barkley the 2nd overall picked RB they didnt even get a 2nd contract.. and woulda broken the single season rushing record behind phillys O line and Kellen Moore ON MARA IN HIS BUILDING LOL!! Jasons rushing scheme was like he had tyron smith Zach martin and travis Frederick in their primes when the WHOLE LEAGUE was running the singleback zone stretch runs setup for the cutback get the defense flowing one way and BOOM cutback.. made famous by the Shanahan‘s past down to shawn mcvay but it even goes back to when McaPoo benched Eli cause younger Geno could move a little more behind the infamous Ereck flowers O line so Mara hand picked a GM that would give closing on 40 Eli a running game when they had basically the 1st pick behind cleveland and Sam Darnold Baker Mayfield Josh Allen were ALLL capable franchise QBs.. all they had to see was the tape they ruined the greatest RB prospect ever arguably Daboll the QB whisperer alllll they had to do was pick up the 5th year option and then the 2 years 80 million guaranteed woulda NEVER happened.. THIS IS ALLL ON MARA!!! go after justin fields in free agency
"Daniel Jones was a monster as a rookie". 😂😅😂😅😂.
Jones passing in 12 starts :
-Passer rating on 3+ separation yds is 127.3, 4th in the league.
-Passer rating on play action is 110.9, 10th in the league.
-Only QB with 4 completions of 60+ yds
-3rd in catchable deep passes.
-2nd in vertical deep passing TD’s.
-Vertical deep passer rating is 137.5
-Total deep passer rating is 94.9.
-Top 10 most accurate intermediate thrower.
-Completed 68.9% of his passes when thrown less then 2.5 seconds.
-Had a higher QBR then Aaron Rodgers.
-4th in the league in TD’s per start.
-5th in the league in money throws per start. (Throws that are Athletic & Skilled)
-10th best QB under pressure (rare for a rookie), while being the most pressured QB.
-14-19, 243 yds, 1 TD in a game under pressure, (no QB has more yds in a game under pressure).
-6/10, 68 yards, 3 TD in a game under pressure, (no QB has more then 3+TD’s in a game under pressure).
-Only rookie in history with 300/4/0 in a game with 4 games. The teams he did that against, DET held Mahomes 0 TD’s. TB held Watson 0 TD’s. NYJ held Dak 0 TD’s. Jones was 12/16, 90 yds, 3 TD’s to 3rd string players vs WAS.
-4th all time in TD’s for a rookie, with 4 less starts then the other top 4 all time.
-Out of the top 5 rookie TD leaders in NFL history, Jones & Wilson are the only ones with atleast 2.0 TD/INT ratio.
-Jones & Watson are the only rookie QB’s in NFL History to average atleast 2 passing TD’s per start.
-Most aggressive QB over 300 attempts
-His WR’s were bottom of the league in seperation.
-His WR’s dropped the 9th highest rate of passes.
-His tackles allowed the most pressures in the league.
-Most hit QB in just 12 games.
-Injures to his RB, WR, & TE on IR.
-17-46 HC.
-In 9 starts with Saquon in the lineup, Jones has a 95.5 Passer rating, 21 TD’s, 6 INT, 63%.
Jones rushing in 12 starts :
-Ran a 4.67 on his pro day
-Got up to 19.51 mph (3rd among QB’s)
-Ranked 3rd among QB’s last year in yards per scramble (8.4 yards).
-Rushed for a 1st down on 46.7% of his rushing attempts which was 2nd among QB’s.
-Finished 6th among QBs in rushing EPA.
-2nd in the NFL in yards per carry at 6.2, behind Lamar at 6.9.
-1st in the NFL in yards before contact at 5.2
-Averaged 10.6 yards per attempt on RPO plays last season. 3rd best among quarterbacks (minimum 20 attempts).
-1 of 6 rookie QB’s in NFL history to have 20 TD’s, 3000 passing yds, 200 rushing yds.
Those were some of his rookie accomplishments at that time.. Justin Herbert broke a lot of rookie records in Shane Steichen offense… and Jayden Daniels broke a lot of rookie records in Kliff Kingsbury‘s offense
@@MostlyHarmless9 Impressive stats for a rookie QB no doubt. 15 TD's & 1300 of his passing yards came in 4 games. Saying "he was a monster as a rookie" is questionable. Saying he was a monster in 4 of his 12 games is definitely understandable.
Dude talks like he's getting paid by the word. ugh. can't do it anymore.
What's Eli's record on QB evaluations? Oh, yeah... he hasn't got one.
He's a Giant yes-man so I don't care what Eli thinks.
Did you care when he won 2 Superbowls for is
Sorry Eli thank you but NO thank you, u was a great qb but terrible scout, remember you vouched for Janiel Dones.
Would you say something Negative about the company paying you a lot of money or an employee of that same company...PUBLICLY
I agree with Dan on the Taysom Hill scenario for Jones. How about Denver and Sean Payton taking a shot, perhaps being influenced by Davis Web.