One of my favorite parts of any of Tolkien’s books is the arrival of the grey company. “But before all went Aragorn with the flame of the west, Anduril like a new fire kindled. Narsil reforged as deadly as old and on his brow was the star of Elendil.”
I'm actually starting to enjoy this channel more than the bigger lotr lore ones I usually watch, the attention to detail and storytelling in your vids is great. I wonder if you would maybe consider doing a video on the kind of numbers the Free Peoples would have needed to defeat Sauron's armies in a conventional war at the end of the Third Age, and how such a conflict would have played out? I know that it's impossible to defeat Sauron permanently without destroying the One Ring, but a video on what it would have taken to overcome the multitudes at his disposal would be interesting I think. Keep doing what you're doing mate, we love it
Denethor is so much more competent in the novels. He's a formidable Lord. It's not until after seeing Faramir's wounds then looks into the Palantir that he breaks, seeing that the massive force besieging Minas Tirith are but a single finger of Sauron's true strength. It makes his eventual collapse into madness and despair all the more impactful.
Yeah, the movies did Denethor really dirty. It's probably the change that annoys me most. I know people dislike the changes to Faramir, but at least movie Faramir kept his same core beliefs, and his motivations were logical. Movie Denethor was devoid of all his good qualities, and his bad qualities were exacerbated.
@@DarthGandalfYT there is one moment where he's somewhat like his book counterpart, in the extended edition of the Two Towers when he's talking to Boromir about Sauron's true strength and his belief that Gondor is the only bastion against Mordor, there's hints of his hidden knowledge through the Palantir and he's still a prick to Faramir, but he's not portrayed as grossly incompetent in the scene, but rather very perceptive and harshly truthful about their odds against Mordor if something doesn't change. I feel like originally he was meant to be more complex, but for some reason that was scrapped by the RotK and he just became a jibbering idiot, which was a huge waste since his actor is very talented and showing a competent and iron willed Denethor who's softer to Pippin would have made his final fall all the more poignant.
not gonna lie, if I was in that situation, Am gonna have meltdown like him and start wishing stupid shit and until it too late, I only have myself to blame
I know Gandalf pressed home how this didn't change the fact that Sauron couldn't be beat by arms. On the other hand, can you imagine just how frustrated and furious the Lord of the Rings was after the failed siege and the loss at Pelennor? He went to all this trouble, prepared a massive army, likely over the course of years or even decades, used his power to make smoke rise up from the very bowels of the earth, prepared a magically endowed ram to break through Gondor's gates (and probably overheard a lot of sick jokes from the orks about it), got his vassals to put in similar preparations in order to unleash a massive fleet on Gondor's southern coast. All while taking into account Rohan and Saruman's double treachery to boot, and planning a similar invasion of the north that was stymied at Eriador and the valor of the Elves in Lorienne and Mirkwood. Finally, he sends the army and engines forth, led by his craftiest, strongest, and most loyal captain, one who no man is supposed to be able to kill. It takes several battles, but every choke point is broken through, and the siege begins, laying trenches with which none should be able to pass to search for or give aid. Finally, it all comes to a head. Gondor's leader is broken in mind and spirit. The women and children have fled while the soldiers prepare to die where they stand, every rout for escape or help is cut off (or so he thinks), and this city which bears the namesake of another he conquered as Morgoth's servant, seat of power to his strongest enemy and where he knew Isildur's heir was hoping to retake the throne after that little chat with the Palantir, seems to be ready to fall. In one stroke he is about to end Isildur's legacy, and once this army is replenished and boosted with the full might of Mordor, they will sweep up into the north, crushing any men, elves, or dwarves that dare not to bend the knee. This upstart from Isildur's line will be hunted down and killed like an outlaw in the wilderness even if his forces have to scour every inch of land in Middle Earth for decades, cutting Isildur's line and ensuring his hated enemy's final, perfect defeat. Gandalf will die in the city, Saruman will be be dealt with either by execution or torture and enslavement when his armies reach Isenguard. Theoden and his horsemen will bow or die. The remaining wizards will be killed, along with Elrond, Dain, and all who stood against him. The valar will be too afraid of their own power to intervene again, and he shall reign, Sauron the Great, God King of Middle Earth unto the end of days, worshiped and feared even as Eru's very name is driven from the thoughts of those descended from the free peoples. And just as he leans over his palantir, waiting to see the witch king duke it out with Gandalf, surely ending his most dangerous enemy before the final battle can even begin...horns. Horns from the north. Apparently there was one rout his spies never picked out. No matter, the armies of Mordor will crush them. Then the Witch King falls. Cursed woman and that halfling! He would have their heads nailed over their own homes for this! But with his armies breaking from the shock of the flank attack and the loss of their leader, he sees his southern fleet and knows the battle is as good as won. With Rohan's king dead and an angry prince wearing his crown, he would enjoy grinding them down and listening to their pitiful attempts to consul and encourage each other as they die one by one. But wait! Those boats have the wrong banner! What is the meaning of...no. No. NO! NO! NO! *HOW!* Isildur's heir, Aragorn son of Arathorn of the line from Arnor, that kingdom the Witch King put down centuries ago, and who challenged you only weeks ago, the man whose rise this attack was meant to prevent, comes sailing down up the river with Dunedain to the north. His armies are shattered over the day's course, and all his preparation amounts to a broken gate and some walls that can be repaired. I think that also helps explain why Sauron through everything and the kitchen sink at Aragorn, Gandalf and Eomer at the Black Gate. He was probably frazzled and sensed that whether the king had the ring or not, Sauron likely began to finally realize he was fighting against someone bigger than men and wizards. He likely began to see his war as a desperate attempt to overcome the will of a God whom he rebelled against, and whose will, working in ways he was racking his brain to guess at, overcame him. That's why he stretched his grasp out one last time after the ring was destroyed, a desperate attempt to hold on to a Middle Earth he thought he had the right to rule, though which was never given to him. A last attempt overcome the will of the deity whom, in working through wizards and wise counselors, gave men, elves, and dwarves just enough of what they needed to hold out against him, and in letting him forge the ring in the first place and letting it disappear only to be found by Smeagol, then Bilbo, then carried by Frodo, gave him just enough rope to hang himself with. And finally, with the full magnitude of his folly before him, with no more strength to hold onto a physical form, let alone an empire, Sauron, though appearing as a mighty storm cloud crowned by lightning, was blown away by a simple wind from Manwe while his slayers where carried off by Manwe's eagles and tended to by humble Nienna's servant. Even as he was driven off to gnaw his own soul in self-reproachment and shame for eternity over the magnitude of his folly, he was driven off by Eru's appointed governor of Ea, and those he looked upon in contempt, if he ever deigned to look upon them at all, where honored. Those he hated reigned in joy and peace while all his schemes and works came to nothing. Eru, the God he spurned, saw his will done in the end despite all Morgoth and Sauron's attempts, as men and his adopted children in the Dwarves lived Free in Middle Earth as the Elves returned to Valinor, and their arrogance ended with one banished to the abyss beyond the world, while the other languished in the waste, both waiting to fight a doomed battle at the end of history. To sum it all up, Sauron's defeat was not only perfect in how absolute it was, but that from Pelennor on, he was crushed not simply because of his foes valor, but because of his own ambition and arrogance, his own willful blindness enabling his final defeat, and so his arrogance was humbled, while his humble enemies were exalted.
Sauron was going to win even without the One Ring. The free people during the Third Age were greatly diminished and weren't as strong as they were in the Second Age to oppose Sauron. The armies of Mordor greatly outnumber the armies of the west. The elves were leaving Middle Earth. Gondor is a shadow of its formal self.
Very good retelling of the siege of Gondor. Always preferred the novels depiction to the films as it actually gives the gondorians garrison some actual kudos as warriors, competent and efficient when provided with decent leadership defending their home and giving as good as they can get against overwhelming odds. Until help arrives.
Love the video but to my mind, one of the reasons Gandalf was returned as the White was in case his full powers were needed to directly confront Sauron and his most powerful servants. Gandalf the Grey held off multiple Nazgûl at Weathertop and defeated a balrog. One on one against Gandalf the White, the Witch King stood no chance.
I respectfully disagree sir. Gandalf the White is indeed a major buff from the Grey but i still think he is nerfed compared to his unrestricted Maiar form Olorin.
@@strongsuccessfulweeb1400 Oh yes, but his enemy is a Numenorean ghost with a ring. One of the Ainur vs a man, however powerful? That is only ending one way.
Yup. Not sure if it's in the books or just the movies, but someone says that Gandalf the White is the strongest being on Middle Earth, except for Sauron himself. Something along the lines of "I am the greatest you will encounter, except should you have the misfortune of being brought alive before Sauron."
By the War of the Ring, Gondor is a shadow of its former self. Gondor was heavily weakened by the Great Plague, The Kin Strife between Valacar and Castamir, and wars against the Easterlings, Haradrim, the men of Khand and the orcs of Mordor. Gondor also lost its sister Kingdom, Arnor, to the Witch King Angmar. Gondor lost a lot of its territories and influence that it once had during its Golden Age. The Nazgul managed to capture Minas Ithilien and corrupted it into Minas Morgul allowing Sauron to have control over the Ithil Planatir. Gondor also abandoned and lost its fortifications that were meant to contain Mordor. The pride and blood of Numenor was all spent and forgotten in the realm of Gondor. The Line of Anárion ended when King Eärnur unwisely accepted the Witch King's challenge. It is no surprise that Gondor was in no good shape to stand against Mordor by the late Third Age in the books and the movies.
That's what I love about Tolkien's world building, Gondor isnt just a kingdom in peril. It's a living society, that's been meticulously picked apart by an immortal foe! It's outer territory stripped away, it's sister kingdom Arnor collapsed it very much feels like the Byzantine Empire after the Muslim conquests! With the Western Roman Empire in shambles and their most valuable territorial possessions stripped (Syria, Egypt, Phoenicia, parts of Asia Minor) and the devastation of the plague of Justinian still being recovered from it's almost a mirror image
@@ericcloud1023 Exactly. While Byzantine Empire collasped, Gondor would would recover and prevail after the War of the Ring with King Aragorn restoring the Kingdom of Arnor and bringing back Gondor's former lost glory.
Much like Thranduil, I wish the movies hadn't made Denethor such a dick. Genuinely one of my personal favorite characters because of how good he truly was but still fell into darkness and madness
John Noble's Denethor from the movie and Denethor from The Return of The King book both did not trust Gandalf and did not want a heir of Isildur (Aragorn) to take the throne of Gondor
I'm wondering what the relationship between the Haradrim, Easterlings, and the Orcs/Trolls was like. Oil and water I'd think if Sauron prevailed. Age of the Orc, or the Age of Man....? I don't recall any discussions on the matter personally, so I'd be interested to hear some thoughts.
Denethor is a much better leader here and his fall to madness is much more believeable and Gandalf is much proactive in the fighting. The only issue i see with Denethor is he seems to have focused a bit to much on Osgiliath at the expence of Cair Andros, which was the only way they knew for help to arrive so keeping the road open would make more sense than holding Osgiliath, hold Osgiliath by all means it would work to buy time and wear the enemy numbers down, but i would have sent those reinforcements to hold Cair Andros, Osgiliath is going to fall one way or another, but if you lose Cair Andros then your cut off from help and i don't recall the Nazgull being at Cair Andros so those reinforcements might have meant it would hold, also holding Cair Andros might slow Saurons forces down as they would want to take Cair Andros to isolate Minas Tirith from help.
My guess was that he thought it was more important to hold Osgiliath and forestall the siege so that if help arrived, it could get into the city, allowing for better coordination. Cair Andros was, he probably understood, bound to fall, so if he had to spend the lives of his troops, it likely made more sense to prevent total encirclement in case reinforcements got through before the northern fortress was taken.
@@morgant.dulaman8733 To add on to what you are saying, Cair Andros was said to be to far to send a aid soon enough, and if they were forced to retreat, there would be nothing to retreat too, given the distances and the fact Osgiliath had fallen.
The army from the Morannon seems to have been a force with a very specific goal in mind: take Cair Andros, and secure the northern flank against the Rohirrim. They aren't mentioned as being part of the main battle, and are later mopped up by 3,000 Rohirrim after the battle is over. That leads me to believe it wasn't a large army.
@@DarthGandalfYT well Ingold actually said that battalions of orcs of the eye and countless companies of men had come from Cair Andros to the Rammas, if they could block the road from Rohan and still be so "numerous" to come to the Pelennor then they must have been very large indeed
And there is also the statement about Minas Morgul not being the greatest of the Hosts that Mordor sent forth at the time, what could possibly be larger than that shitload of orcs?
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One of my favorite parts of any of Tolkien’s books is the arrival of the grey company. “But before all went Aragorn with the flame of the west, Anduril like a new fire kindled. Narsil reforged as deadly as old and on his brow was the star of Elendil.”
I'm actually starting to enjoy this channel more than the bigger lotr lore ones I usually watch, the attention to detail and storytelling in your vids is great. I wonder if you would maybe consider doing a video on the kind of numbers the Free Peoples would have needed to defeat Sauron's armies in a conventional war at the end of the Third Age, and how such a conflict would have played out? I know that it's impossible to defeat Sauron permanently without destroying the One Ring, but a video on what it would have taken to overcome the multitudes at his disposal would be interesting I think. Keep doing what you're doing mate, we love it
This is a good suggestion.
Denethor is so much more competent in the novels. He's a formidable Lord. It's not until after seeing Faramir's wounds then looks into the Palantir that he breaks, seeing that the massive force besieging Minas Tirith are but a single finger of Sauron's true strength. It makes his eventual collapse into madness and despair all the more impactful.
Yeah, the movies did Denethor really dirty. It's probably the change that annoys me most. I know people dislike the changes to Faramir, but at least movie Faramir kept his same core beliefs, and his motivations were logical. Movie Denethor was devoid of all his good qualities, and his bad qualities were exacerbated.
@@DarthGandalfYT there is one moment where he's somewhat like his book counterpart, in the extended edition of the Two Towers when he's talking to Boromir about Sauron's true strength and his belief that Gondor is the only bastion against Mordor, there's hints of his hidden knowledge through the Palantir and he's still a prick to Faramir, but he's not portrayed as grossly incompetent in the scene, but rather very perceptive and harshly truthful about their odds against Mordor if something doesn't change. I feel like originally he was meant to be more complex, but for some reason that was scrapped by the RotK and he just became a jibbering idiot, which was a huge waste since his actor is very talented and showing a competent and iron willed Denethor who's softer to Pippin would have made his final fall all the more poignant.
not gonna lie, if I was in that situation, Am gonna have meltdown like him and start wishing stupid shit and until it too late, I only have myself to blame
Denethor still loved Boromir more than Faramir.
I know Gandalf pressed home how this didn't change the fact that Sauron couldn't be beat by arms.
On the other hand, can you imagine just how frustrated and furious the Lord of the Rings was after the failed siege and the loss at Pelennor?
He went to all this trouble, prepared a massive army, likely over the course of years or even decades, used his power to make smoke rise up from the very bowels of the earth, prepared a magically endowed ram to break through Gondor's gates (and probably overheard a lot of sick jokes from the orks about it), got his vassals to put in similar preparations in order to unleash a massive fleet on Gondor's southern coast. All while taking into account Rohan and Saruman's double treachery to boot, and planning a similar invasion of the north that was stymied at Eriador and the valor of the Elves in Lorienne and Mirkwood. Finally, he sends the army and engines forth, led by his craftiest, strongest, and most loyal captain, one who no man is supposed to be able to kill. It takes several battles, but every choke point is broken through, and the siege begins, laying trenches with which none should be able to pass to search for or give aid.
Finally, it all comes to a head. Gondor's leader is broken in mind and spirit. The women and children have fled while the soldiers prepare to die where they stand, every rout for escape or help is cut off (or so he thinks), and this city which bears the namesake of another he conquered as Morgoth's servant, seat of power to his strongest enemy and where he knew Isildur's heir was hoping to retake the throne after that little chat with the Palantir, seems to be ready to fall. In one stroke he is about to end Isildur's legacy, and once this army is replenished and boosted with the full might of Mordor, they will sweep up into the north, crushing any men, elves, or dwarves that dare not to bend the knee. This upstart from Isildur's line will be hunted down and killed like an outlaw in the wilderness even if his forces have to scour every inch of land in Middle Earth for decades, cutting Isildur's line and ensuring his hated enemy's final, perfect defeat. Gandalf will die in the city, Saruman will be be dealt with either by execution or torture and enslavement when his armies reach Isenguard. Theoden and his horsemen will bow or die. The remaining wizards will be killed, along with Elrond, Dain, and all who stood against him. The valar will be too afraid of their own power to intervene again, and he shall reign, Sauron the Great, God King of Middle Earth unto the end of days, worshiped and feared even as Eru's very name is driven from the thoughts of those descended from the free peoples.
And just as he leans over his palantir, waiting to see the witch king duke it out with Gandalf, surely ending his most dangerous enemy before the final battle can even begin...horns. Horns from the north. Apparently there was one rout his spies never picked out.
No matter, the armies of Mordor will crush them.
Then the Witch King falls. Cursed woman and that halfling! He would have their heads nailed over their own homes for this!
But with his armies breaking from the shock of the flank attack and the loss of their leader, he sees his southern fleet and knows the battle is as good as won. With Rohan's king dead and an angry prince wearing his crown, he would enjoy grinding them down and listening to their pitiful attempts to consul and encourage each other as they die one by one.
But wait! Those boats have the wrong banner! What is the meaning of...no.
No.
NO! NO! NO!
*HOW!*
Isildur's heir, Aragorn son of Arathorn of the line from Arnor, that kingdom the Witch King put down centuries ago, and who challenged you only weeks ago, the man whose rise this attack was meant to prevent, comes sailing down up the river with Dunedain to the north. His armies are shattered over the day's course, and all his preparation amounts to a broken gate and some walls that can be repaired.
I think that also helps explain why Sauron through everything and the kitchen sink at Aragorn, Gandalf and Eomer at the Black Gate. He was probably frazzled and sensed that whether the king had the ring or not, Sauron likely began to finally realize he was fighting against someone bigger than men and wizards. He likely began to see his war as a desperate attempt to overcome the will of a God whom he rebelled against, and whose will, working in ways he was racking his brain to guess at, overcame him.
That's why he stretched his grasp out one last time after the ring was destroyed, a desperate attempt to hold on to a Middle Earth he thought he had the right to rule, though which was never given to him. A last attempt overcome the will of the deity whom, in working through wizards and wise counselors, gave men, elves, and dwarves just enough of what they needed to hold out against him, and in letting him forge the ring in the first place and letting it disappear only to be found by Smeagol, then Bilbo, then carried by Frodo, gave him just enough rope to hang himself with.
And finally, with the full magnitude of his folly before him, with no more strength to hold onto a physical form, let alone an empire, Sauron, though appearing as a mighty storm cloud crowned by lightning, was blown away by a simple wind from Manwe while his slayers where carried off by Manwe's eagles and tended to by humble Nienna's servant. Even as he was driven off to gnaw his own soul in self-reproachment and shame for eternity over the magnitude of his folly, he was driven off by Eru's appointed governor of Ea, and those he looked upon in contempt, if he ever deigned to look upon them at all, where honored. Those he hated reigned in joy and peace while all his schemes and works came to nothing.
Eru, the God he spurned, saw his will done in the end despite all Morgoth and Sauron's attempts, as men and his adopted children in the Dwarves lived Free in Middle Earth as the Elves returned to Valinor, and their arrogance ended with one banished to the abyss beyond the world, while the other languished in the waste, both waiting to fight a doomed battle at the end of history.
To sum it all up, Sauron's defeat was not only perfect in how absolute it was, but that from Pelennor on, he was crushed not simply because of his foes valor, but because of his own ambition and arrogance, his own willful blindness enabling his final defeat, and so his arrogance was humbled, while his humble enemies were exalted.
Sauron was going to win even without the One Ring. The free people during the Third Age were greatly diminished and weren't as strong as they were in the Second Age to oppose Sauron. The armies of Mordor greatly outnumber the armies of the west. The elves were leaving Middle Earth. Gondor is a shadow of its formal self.
@@oliveremmettknox7776 Yea.
But still, can you imagine how much Pelennor must have drove him nuts?
That, my friend, is a beautiful summary.
Possibly the best War in Middle-earth episode yet
Very good retelling of the siege of Gondor. Always preferred the novels depiction to the films as it actually gives the gondorians garrison some actual kudos as warriors, competent and efficient when provided with decent leadership defending their home and giving as good as they can get against overwhelming odds. Until help arrives.
Love the video but to my mind, one of the reasons Gandalf was returned as the White was in case his full powers were needed to directly confront Sauron and his most powerful servants. Gandalf the Grey held off multiple Nazgûl at Weathertop and defeated a balrog. One on one against Gandalf the White, the Witch King stood no chance.
Oh yeah, Gandalf would've smoked him.
I respectfully disagree sir. Gandalf the White is indeed a major buff from the Grey but i still think he is nerfed compared to his unrestricted Maiar form Olorin.
@@strongsuccessfulweeb1400 Oh yes, but his enemy is a Numenorean ghost with a ring. One of the Ainur vs a man, however powerful? That is only ending one way.
@@Trigm yeah no contest with that.
Yup. Not sure if it's in the books or just the movies, but someone says that Gandalf the White is the strongest being on Middle Earth, except for Sauron himself. Something along the lines of "I am the greatest you will encounter, except should you have the misfortune of being brought alive before Sauron."
By the War of the Ring, Gondor is a shadow of its former self. Gondor was heavily weakened by the Great Plague, The Kin Strife between Valacar and Castamir, and wars against the Easterlings, Haradrim, the men of Khand and the orcs of Mordor. Gondor also lost its sister Kingdom, Arnor, to the Witch King Angmar. Gondor lost a lot of its territories and influence that it once had during its Golden Age. The Nazgul managed to capture Minas Ithilien and corrupted it into Minas Morgul allowing Sauron to have control over the Ithil Planatir. Gondor also abandoned and lost its fortifications that were meant to contain Mordor. The pride and blood of Numenor was all spent and forgotten in the realm of Gondor. The Line of Anárion ended when King Eärnur unwisely accepted the Witch King's challenge. It is no surprise that Gondor was in no good shape to stand against Mordor by the late Third Age in the books and the movies.
That's what I love about Tolkien's world building, Gondor isnt just a kingdom in peril. It's a living society, that's been meticulously picked apart by an immortal foe! It's outer territory stripped away, it's sister kingdom Arnor collapsed it very much feels like the Byzantine Empire after the Muslim conquests! With the Western Roman Empire in shambles and their most valuable territorial possessions stripped (Syria, Egypt, Phoenicia, parts of Asia Minor) and the devastation of the plague of Justinian still being recovered from it's almost a mirror image
@@ericcloud1023 Exactly. While Byzantine Empire collasped, Gondor would would recover and prevail after the War of the Ring with King Aragorn restoring the Kingdom of Arnor and bringing back Gondor's former lost glory.
"You are soldiers of Gondor! No matter what comes through that gate, you will stand your ground!" -Gandalf the White
Much like Thranduil, I wish the movies hadn't made Denethor such a dick. Genuinely one of my personal favorite characters because of how good he truly was but still fell into darkness and madness
Yeah, people talk about Faramir, but I reckon Denethor got treated worse.
Great video! I love this version of the siege. Thanks for telling it!
Always great content, man
Long have we waited
You said long.
Wow; that was absolutely breathtaking!!
"Fear. The city is rank with it. Let us ease their pain. Release the prisoners!" -Gothmog, The Lieutenant of Minas Morgul
"Bring up the Wolf's head." -Gothmog, The Lord of the Rings: The Return of The King Special Extended Edition (2003).
Amazing
The sad part is that we are now near the end of the series
It's been a journey, but we're not done yet. Still another 5 or so episodes to go!
Hey, can you do a video on the….
As always, great video
""Send these foul beasts into the abyss!" -Gandalf the White
John Noble's Denethor from the movie and Denethor from The Return of The King book both did not trust Gandalf and did not want a heir of Isildur (Aragorn) to take the throne of Gondor
Denethor from the books and the movies still loved Boromir more than Faramir.
Absolutely. Book Denethor was still very much a "grey" character, but he wasn't incompetent like in the movies.
I'm wondering what the relationship between the Haradrim, Easterlings, and the Orcs/Trolls was like. Oil and water I'd think if Sauron prevailed. Age of the Orc, or the Age of Man....? I don't recall any discussions on the matter personally, so I'd be interested to hear some thoughts.
Will you also cover what little we know about the northern front (Erebor, Mirkwood...)?
The entire northern front will be covered in a coming episode (but not the next episode).
@@DarthGandalfYT Nice!
no bad videos 👌
Denethor is a much better leader here and his fall to madness is much more believeable and Gandalf is much proactive in the fighting.
The only issue i see with Denethor is he seems to have focused a bit to much on Osgiliath at the expence of Cair Andros, which was the only way they knew for help to arrive so keeping the road open would make more sense than holding Osgiliath, hold Osgiliath by all means it would work to buy time and wear the enemy numbers down, but i would have sent those reinforcements to hold Cair Andros, Osgiliath is going to fall one way or another, but if you lose Cair Andros then your cut off from help and i don't recall the Nazgull being at Cair Andros so those reinforcements might have meant it would hold, also holding Cair Andros might slow Saurons forces down as they would want to take Cair Andros to isolate Minas Tirith from help.
My guess was that he thought it was more important to hold Osgiliath and forestall the siege so that if help arrived, it could get into the city, allowing for better coordination. Cair Andros was, he probably understood, bound to fall, so if he had to spend the lives of his troops, it likely made more sense to prevent total encirclement in case reinforcements got through before the northern fortress was taken.
@@morgant.dulaman8733 To add on to what you are saying, Cair Andros was said to be to far to send a aid soon enough, and if they were forced to retreat, there would be nothing to retreat too, given the distances and the fact Osgiliath had fallen.
Denethor is still a terrible father for not giving Faramir enough love, support and credit.
Yikes… this series almost end, what happen to your channel? And What you will cover next?
4th age definitely not much in there for you to cover
He has so many series started I feel noone of us viewers will grow bored anytime soon. I can't wait to hear him researchin Middle-Earth's mysteries
What make you think the Army from the Morannon was smaller? I believe it was huge and larger than that of Minas Morgul
The army from the Morannon seems to have been a force with a very specific goal in mind: take Cair Andros, and secure the northern flank against the Rohirrim. They aren't mentioned as being part of the main battle, and are later mopped up by 3,000 Rohirrim after the battle is over. That leads me to believe it wasn't a large army.
@@DarthGandalfYT well Ingold actually said that battalions of orcs of the eye and countless companies of men had come from Cair Andros to the Rammas, if they could block the road from Rohan and still be so "numerous" to come to the Pelennor then they must have been very large indeed
And there is also the statement about Minas Morgul not being the greatest of the Hosts that Mordor sent forth at the time, what could possibly be larger than that shitload of orcs?
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Can you make a video on what if orcs joined the last alliance for orcish reasons which are selfish and evil what would happen
What if Maedhros and Maglor didn't die? (didn't jump into a volcano and didn't throw the silmarill into the sea)