Great comparison! 😍 An extra shot short with Perry & Victrix Medieval horses would have been the bomb - just to get an idea regarding possibilities to jump between these manufacturers too... (I know its not fitting your Empire theme...) Perhaps an ultimate horses comparison video in the future? (plus Claymore/Gripping Beast, ? etc.). BTW, your work here is priceless! Regarding all those tabletop videos almost nobody does this kind of content - which should seem so full of value to all kitbashers / people that mix-n-match between lines. Keep up your fantastic work! 🥳👌
@@diceassault thank you. I really appreciate your kind comments. I did some Perry, Wargames Atlantic, Claymore, Victrix and FireForge horse comparison in an earlier video while kit bashing Bretonnians and medieval armies but you’re absolutely right. Now that we have the Empire in Old World, and some more plastic horses, I will be doing the ultimate horse comparison video. I have to 😅
Good thinking to boost up the horse to make it look taller. The rest of the model looked proportional, it doesn’t help that the legs on the "smaller" horse are tucked up under it. Big fan of this series, keep up the good work!
Love your videos keep up the awesome content started buying warhammer old world , victrix medieval, wargames Atlantic And now I have over 200 models that I really don't have a clue on how to paint but this is like plastic crack for me😁
My take from that was "don't bother with the GW pistolliers kit cos both the horses and the models are too big". Problem solved. However, thanks for the comparison we all want to see but can't afford - this series is really helpful! Just another suggestion/comment - is there value in raising the GW barded horses by shaping the existing hooves into hair and molding new hooves to the bottom of these to give 3-5mm lift if you believe the rest of the model is in scale?
@@kerilawrence2669 that’s a great idea thank you and could work. I’ll probably try that out and see how it looks. Something for the next video in this series.
My Empire army consists of Perry's cavalry and foot troops plus some warlord games infantry. They scale well with each other. I got some of the northmen infantry and whilst nice they're not cheap. Plus there are no build instructions so several of my guys have 2 left legs or 2 right legs.
@@darthcheese7971 both Perry and warlord minis are gorgeous. I do like the Fireforge as well but you’re right, in comparison they aren’t as cheap. I’ll be looking at some Warlord Landsknecht next.
Thank you, very helpful and comprehensive. I don't play Warhammer but like to add the odd minis to my historical and fantasy armies for variety. I was wondering about the size comparisos of the Old Warhammer World, which to me after your comparisons seem much chunking than I thought. Thank you this is so helpful.
It would be interesting to see if the renaissance heavy cavalry horse armour fits the pistoliers larger horses. It might be cool having the empire knights mounted on them to make them seem more imposing.
I've got a Tilean army on the backburner using Empire rules as the base. Im going to be mostly using historical miniatures for it too so I'm looking forward to your historical inspired Empire army 😊.
@@Tim1000064 thank you. I’m unboxing some Warlord Landsknecht in my next video which should be fun. They’ll probably form the bulk of my historical miniatures empire army. 😊
What do these miniatures look like when viewed from the angle and height you would be playing the game? The height differences might not be as noticeable from that angle and height.
@@ericdavis4964 Good question thank you. I think once they are assembled into units the differences will melt away. I’ll be looking at that in later videos once I start building my armies.
very nice sets, they are however 28 mm truescale. Compared to the more or less 32mm heroic scale, those will always stand out as kinda small/slim besides GW miniatures. There are some very nice and fairly prized 3d printed alternatives available on etsy or midgard for a great prize. Highland miniatures come to mind.
@@Jewus19 that’s a good point thank you. Ironically I do have some Highland miniatures given to me by a friend who had them printed out too small for Warhammer. Even though the scales are different between many fantasy and historical miniatures I have found on occasion that they are still good for head swaps or kitbashing. Sometimes the results can be pleasantly surprising.
If it wasnt for the extra effort to make them look it i probably would have suggested de chaosifying the chaos knight horses considering they're almost close enough ascetic to the empire knight horses but more in scale with the pistoleers
@@TheSupporter76 it’s a great idea and yes, quite a bit of work. I do love the chaos knight horses though. I think they are some of the best looking steeds in Warhammer.
4:35 oh my, and we are not just talking about the codpeice! My that is a boastful accoutrement. Thing is that people are not all the same size, but still mixing ranges can look odd on the tabletop, I suppose you could use maths to work it out but going by eye is quicker which makes videos like this rather important.
Nice video! Have you ever try any 3d models, as Highland Miniatures or Reptilian Overlords miniatures? I have tried some historical miniatures but all of these seems to a bit little compared to GM scale.
@@retrobservador9386 thank you. I was given some Highlands Miniatures by a friend. They were printed at 28mm but look closer to 25mm. My friend said he’ll try getting some more printed at 32mm to see if they fit with the scale of GW minis better.
@@aguilarraliuga1777 I got hold of a box when I started kitbashing my Bretonnians and I’ll be looking at them again during this Empire project. They are great miniatures.
I love the bodies and heads of the Oathmark humans, unfortunately the horses are not very good overall. I found I dislike the Fireforge Northmen heads too, so use Oathmark or Frostgrave ones instead. I also love the Northmen horses, but the Byzantine horses have the same basic bodies but with a smaller horse head, which I find disappointing.
@@rossdiggle nice idea. I’ll have to look at the Old World lore because I’m a bit naive. I’ve got some medieval historical miniatures to make a Bretonnian army with and now these WA Renaissance / conquistador and some Warlord Landsknecht to use.
I wanted to address the elephant in the room, the massive empire knights decal sheet , it doesn't make any sense and the conspiracy theorist in me says that there are new sculpts for Empire knights but for some reason they didn't release them. Firstly the box art contains zero decals from the sheet, the decal sheet is very very extensive and was clearly designed and sized with shield sized icons for the 3 major orders, plus loads of other items that simply dont work for the models in this box. plus the assembly instructions were produced using the old assembly instructions so features the very obvious Reiksguard parts for the knights
@@magunra3k I had the same thoughts when going through the box of knights since all the shields are embossed and the standard/banner won’t take decals either. I tend to hand paint my flags and shields so I just parked the decals for the time being and thought I’d return to it when I get round to doing a painting video.
@@PaulStanleyauthor My order arrived today and like many was very disappointed they haven't redone the knights as they are very very old . But that knightly order decal sheet firstly its huge ! and secondly its absolutely fantastic , so much great stuff on there and then they dont use any of the decals at all in the box art?? and im pretty sure that the models on the art work are just rebased , im just sure that they have decided they need everything out as fast as possible and that we will see resculpted stuff later or only when they need to fill a gap like with the Bret Knights on foot
@ I think you’re right. I’m pretty sure once every army or faction is released, they’ll go back and introduce newer sculpts to cover gaps or update old units.
Unless you want to model "High Helms" i don't see why you would want oversized humans for your Empire armies, after all it looks more heroic if your more monstery enemies loom over the humans. Buying GW is essentially paying more for less accurate figures.
I must admit your editing is somewhat annoying as you start speaking it suddenly changes to another view with snippets of information, let it run a bit longer
@@stevebuk100 thank you for the feedback and apologies, I’m still trying to get the balance right with the video editing, particularly since much of it is in an effort to disguise the breathing difficulties I have with severe anxiety.
The Griffon looks very useful (as well as being a nice model too).
I’m tempted 😅
Great comparison! 😍 An extra shot short with Perry & Victrix Medieval horses would have been the bomb - just to get an idea regarding possibilities to jump between these manufacturers too... (I know its not fitting your Empire theme...) Perhaps an ultimate horses comparison video in the future? (plus Claymore/Gripping Beast, ? etc.). BTW, your work here is priceless! Regarding all those tabletop videos almost nobody does this kind of content - which should seem so full of value to all kitbashers / people that mix-n-match between lines. Keep up your fantastic work! 🥳👌
@@diceassault thank you. I really appreciate your kind comments. I did some Perry, Wargames Atlantic, Claymore, Victrix and FireForge horse comparison in an earlier video while kit bashing Bretonnians and medieval armies but you’re absolutely right. Now that we have the Empire in Old World, and some more plastic horses, I will be doing the ultimate horse comparison video. I have to 😅
Great idea for raising that horse! Great comparison video Sir, thank you 😊
Good thinking to boost up the horse to make it look taller. The rest of the model looked proportional, it doesn’t help that the legs on the "smaller" horse are tucked up under it.
Big fan of this series, keep up the good work!
@@JavlinVII thank you 😊
What a beautiful assortment of manufactures
@@dartmart9263 yes. There’s some great minis out there in plastic now.
Love your videos keep up the awesome content started buying warhammer old world , victrix medieval, wargames Atlantic And now I have over 200 models that I really don't have a clue on how to paint but this is like plastic crack for me😁
@@patrickhiggins4562 thank you and that’s awesome. I do definitely need to paint more often as my pile of “potential” is growing 😅
@@patrickhiggins4562 Welcome to the Fold 👍😉😊
My take from that was "don't bother with the GW pistolliers kit cos both the horses and the models are too big". Problem solved. However, thanks for the comparison we all want to see but can't afford - this series is really helpful!
Just another suggestion/comment - is there value in raising the GW barded horses by shaping the existing hooves into hair and molding new hooves to the bottom of these to give 3-5mm lift if you believe the rest of the model is in scale?
@@kerilawrence2669 that’s a great idea thank you and could work. I’ll probably try that out and see how it looks. Something for the next video in this series.
Thank you for these videos. I see so many great models out there but never know how theyll compare with GW stuff.
@@DirgeDesigns you’re welcome and thank you for watching 😊
My Empire army consists of Perry's cavalry and foot troops plus some warlord games infantry. They scale well with each other. I got some of the northmen infantry and whilst nice they're not cheap. Plus there are no build instructions so several of my guys have 2 left legs or 2 right legs.
@@darthcheese7971 both Perry and warlord minis are gorgeous. I do like the Fireforge as well but you’re right, in comparison they aren’t as cheap. I’ll be looking at some Warlord Landsknecht next.
Thank you, very helpful and comprehensive. I don't play Warhammer but like to add the odd minis to my historical and fantasy armies for variety. I was wondering about the size comparisos of the Old Warhammer World, which to me after your comparisons seem much chunking than I thought. Thank you this is so helpful.
This is fantastic! Thanks for doing this!
It would be interesting to see if the renaissance heavy cavalry horse armour fits the pistoliers larger horses. It might be cool having the empire knights mounted on them to make them seem more imposing.
@@alfie5860 that could possibly work with a bit of cutting and filling with green stuff.
Have you looked at the Perry horses for comparison?
I’ve done some comparisons in a previous video on Bretonnians but will look at them again in this series.
Bronzino would make a great general!
It shouldn't matter too much about the height of horses (as long as its not too dramatic).
Horses irl come in all sizes, just like people
I've got a Tilean army on the backburner using Empire rules as the base. Im going to be mostly using historical miniatures for it too so I'm looking forward to your historical inspired Empire army 😊.
@@Tim1000064 thank you. I’m unboxing some Warlord Landsknecht in my next video which should be fun. They’ll probably form the bulk of my historical miniatures empire army. 😊
@PaulStanleyauthor They're very nice, they scale very closely with Perry Miniatures too!
What do these miniatures look like when viewed from the angle and height you would be playing the game?
The height differences might not be as noticeable from that angle and height.
@@ericdavis4964 Good question thank you. I think once they are assembled into units the differences will melt away. I’ll be looking at that in later videos once I start building my armies.
5:98 those thick moldlines trigger me 😂😂😂
@@windows95_de 😅
very nice sets, they are however 28 mm truescale. Compared to the more or less 32mm heroic scale, those will always stand out as kinda small/slim besides GW miniatures. There are some very nice and fairly prized 3d printed alternatives available on etsy or midgard for a great prize. Highland miniatures come to mind.
@@Jewus19 that’s a good point thank you. Ironically I do have some Highland miniatures given to me by a friend who had them printed out too small for Warhammer. Even though the scales are different between many fantasy and historical miniatures I have found on occasion that they are still good for head swaps or kitbashing. Sometimes the results can be pleasantly surprising.
In Spanish it’s pistolero! Just something to consider for your Estalian army!
I used the fireforge for lion rampant skirmish game.
I've used primarily Perry's and Victrix, which are excellent quality at a reasonable price. Now adding some from wargames atlantic.
Same here, I personally think they are much superior to the Fireforge figures.
If it wasnt for the extra effort to make them look it i probably would have suggested de chaosifying the chaos knight horses considering they're almost close enough ascetic to the empire knight horses but more in scale with the pistoleers
@@TheSupporter76 it’s a great idea and yes, quite a bit of work. I do love the chaos knight horses though. I think they are some of the best looking steeds in Warhammer.
4:35 oh my, and we are not just talking about the codpeice! My that is a boastful accoutrement.
Thing is that people are not all the same size, but still mixing ranges can look odd on the tabletop, I suppose you could use maths to work it out but going by eye is quicker which makes videos like this rather important.
@@jon-paulfilkins7820 thank you. I do like kitbashing and so much of it does come down to eye.
Nice video! Have you ever try any 3d models, as Highland Miniatures or Reptilian Overlords miniatures? I have tried some historical miniatures but all of these seems to a bit little compared to GM scale.
@@retrobservador9386 thank you. I was given some Highlands Miniatures by a friend. They were printed at 28mm but look closer to 25mm. My friend said he’ll try getting some more printed at 32mm to see if they fit with the scale of GW minis better.
I think oathmark light infantry would make fine archers for empire or Bretonnia. A good 30 of them a fine number
@@aguilarraliuga1777 I got hold of a box when I started kitbashing my Bretonnians and I’ll be looking at them again during this Empire project. They are great miniatures.
I was considering this myself, perhaps giving them a separate color scheme to appear as coming from a different house/heraldry.
@ great idea. I had thought about painting them in mostly muted shades of brown or green with a few accent colours to identify their allegiance.
I love the bodies and heads of the Oathmark humans, unfortunately the horses are not very good overall. I found I dislike the Fireforge Northmen heads too, so use Oathmark or Frostgrave ones instead. I also love the Northmen horses, but the Byzantine horses have the same basic bodies but with a smaller horse head, which I find disappointing.
Bronzino is so cool 💣💥💀
Your alternative empire army could be a border prince's realm
@@rossdiggle nice idea. I’ll have to look at the Old World lore because I’m a bit naive. I’ve got some medieval historical miniatures to make a Bretonnian army with and now these WA Renaissance / conquistador and some Warlord Landsknecht to use.
I never liked the GW plastic pistoliera. They are to chonky. Im glad ive got 25 of the metal ones to work with
Do you do requests? I wanna hear I was made for loving you.
@@alagass6466 I think you’re talking about Stanley Bert Eisen, the man who made a fortune after using my name 😂🤣
I think you could charge an entry fee for people to come in and take a look around in your hobby room.
@@Dan-ds8sf 😂🤣 maybe I should.
I wanted to address the elephant in the room, the massive empire knights decal sheet , it doesn't make any sense and the conspiracy theorist in me says that there are new sculpts for Empire knights but for some reason they didn't release them.
Firstly the box art contains zero decals from the sheet, the decal sheet is very very extensive and was clearly designed and sized with shield sized icons for the 3 major orders, plus loads of other items that simply dont work for the models in this box.
plus the assembly instructions were produced using the old assembly instructions so features the very obvious Reiksguard parts for the knights
@@magunra3k I had the same thoughts when going through the box of knights since all the shields are embossed and the standard/banner won’t take decals either. I tend to hand paint my flags and shields so I just parked the decals for the time being and thought I’d return to it when I get round to doing a painting video.
@@PaulStanleyauthor My order arrived today and like many was very disappointed they haven't redone the knights as they are very very old . But that knightly order decal sheet firstly its huge ! and secondly its absolutely fantastic , so much great stuff on there and then they dont use any of the decals at all in the box art?? and im pretty sure that the models on the art work are just rebased , im just sure that they have decided they need everything out as fast as possible and that we will see resculpted stuff later or only when they need to fill a gap like with the Bret Knights on foot
@ I think you’re right. I’m pretty sure once every army or faction is released, they’ll go back and introduce newer sculpts to cover gaps or update old units.
They make even better proxies for better rule sets..;-))
@@zargonfuture4046 😅 I’m using some different historical and fantasy rules sets too so it’ll be interesting to see which games play well.
Unless you want to model "High Helms" i don't see why you would want oversized humans for your Empire armies, after all it looks more heroic if your more monstery enemies loom over the humans.
Buying GW is essentially paying more for less accurate figures.
I must admit your editing is somewhat annoying as you start speaking it suddenly changes to another view with snippets of information, let it run a bit longer
@@stevebuk100 thank you for the feedback and apologies, I’m still trying to get the balance right with the video editing, particularly since much of it is in an effort to disguise the breathing difficulties I have with severe anxiety.