Watching several interviews and listening to several interpretations of the same songs, I understood something: every time a member leaves the band, the one who replaces does not try to imitate his/her style, in Nightwish. I noticed this in the case of Tarja / Anette (explained by Floor in one of her first interviews after entering Nightwish), I also noticed this since Marco left, in a few songs from the virtual concert. Each of them has its own unique voice, and no attempt has been made to duplicate this uniqueness by those who followed. It seems to me an honest approach. One more thing: I understand that the fans upset by Tarja's departure reproached the band for choosing Anette because she was beautiful in the first place, so in this video they chose a team of beautiful girls instead of all the band members :)
Anette's studio work is really good. I'm not really a fan of her live performances, but both albums with Anette are awesome. This song was Tuomas' message to Tarja. He also had a message for her husband on that same album. Even more agressive and angry lyrics, packaged with the heaviest music Nighwish has done so far. It's called 'Master Passion Greed' and it's sung by Marko. They have never played it live, but there is a nice fan-made video around th-cam.com/video/Bkib0dIziXk/w-d-xo.html Of course there's also 'The Poet And The Pendulum' on this album in which Tuomas gives an insight into his state of mind after everything that went down with Tarja.
Oh yeah, in "Master Passion Greed" you get to hear what a really angry Tuomas sounds like. He needed to pour out a whole lot of emotions with that album.
Definitely a yes to MPG. This is the one song that shows very clear that the decision to fire Tarja was unanimous. It's pure rage that grows and grows, yet still stays a great symphonic metal song.
What's the old saying, don't be the guy who replaced the legend, be the guy that replaced the guy who replaced the legend. This holds true here. The biggest difference between the three singers comes down to range of tone and versatility. Taria and Annette were at opposite ends of soprano. Floor Jansen can do what the previous two did and everything in between.
The third part of the trinity of anger is "Master Passion Greed", perhaps Nightwish's angriest and heaviest song and directed toward Tarja's husband. Never been played live and never will. If you do it, please do the lyric video so you know what's being sung. Link here: th-cam.com/video/wS7NrPNjACI/w-d-xo.html
I concur. The fan-made video is really well made, but I'd say that it doesn't "add" anything. The lyrics video on the other hand... Well, it's not one of the easiest to understand songs (in terms of pronunciation over the instruments), so being able to read along is really helpful 🙃
I've loved Nightwish almost from the beginning. I was young and very sad when Tarja was fired. When Dark Passion Play came out I was almost shocked. It was so different from what I was used to, but at the same time it was very Nightwish. And so good !! The two albums with Anette on vocals are for me the best. I come back to them again and again. With Floor came a new era. She has sung on two good albums. Now they are working on their 10th studio album. I'm so excited about what's coming.🤘
Everything you said about Anette is spot on. She was placed in a rough position, but one she surely couldn't pass up. And she received (and continues to receive) a lot of unwarranted hate. As others have pointed out, she wasn't nearly as good live as Tarja or Floor. She's said as much herself in interviews. She feels much more comfortable in the studio and it shows. In fact, I might even venture to say her studio work is better than Tarja or Floor, in that she really knows how to harmonize with herself and deliver a melody. It's also worth mentioning the impact she had on the band. On the previous 5 albums, Tuomas was writing with Tarja's powerful operatic voice in mind. Anette's strength is hooks. She's Swedish, the country that's mastered pop music. So his writing changed to accommodate, and even though her stay with the band was relatively short, Dark Passion Play and Imaginaerum are right up there with their best. Any Nightwish fan will tell you as much. Unfortunately, the band really shines live and Anette couldn't really deliver. That being said, I'd recommend checking out her new band: The Dark Element. They're also a symphonic metal band, but a bit more "poppy". Jani Liimatainen writes songs that fully utilize Anette's strengths and they're worth a listen. Side note (apologies for the rambling!), if you're looking for more Anette with Nightwish, I'd recommend "The Escapist". It's a B-side that never made it on to an album (which is wild to me) and is perhaps her best showing with the band. Cheers from Boston
I saw documentary called End of the era, in there everyone is backstage including the "Navajo Indian" dude and you could see that everybody was tense. Because they knew this could be THE last show. Emppu tried to throw some jokes so the guest star wouldn't feel unwelcome or anything. But Tuomas, Jukka ,Marco were all just silent and in their own thoughts. It was little grinch to see, but thank goodness all worked out better in the end.
It has nothing to do with Floor. Nightwish performed this song only on the Dark Passion Play world tour, and then Tuomas considered it irrelevant and had never played it live since 2008, long before Floor.
Tuomas wrote The Poet And The Pendulum (song about himself), Bye Bye Beautiful (song about Tarja) and Master Passion Greed (song about her meddling husband / manager). Tara wrote I Walk Alone (song about herself.) and Sing For Me (song about Tuomas). Then both sides moved on with their own carreers. To my knowledge, Bye Bye Beautiful and Master Passion Greed were never played live.
Both Bye Bye Beautiful and Master Passion Greed were played live. I am pretty sure that BBB was played at the first show of their US tour. I know MPG was played at a show in Allentown, PA.
@@jackfinn567 I guess myself and the other 2 people I was with must have imagined that. We probably also imagined the 10+ min jam session that Marko, Emppu and Troy that was unlike anything we had seen in any other show.
As a slight correction, I Walk Alone is not about Tarja. She did choose it because she identified with it, but the actual writers' inspiration was a Mozart piece. Jørn Lande does a phenomenal version as well.
It's really cool to have someone with your radio experience check out this song. It's not the only song on the album that could be considered perfect for the radio while also uniquely Nightwish. Honestly, Anette had it tougher than anyone. It's fine not to like her vocal style or to think she needed to improve her live performance ability but every single thing about her from her voice to her appearance and aesthetic to her attitude and personality was absolutely ripped to shreds by a subset of the "fanbase". Slowly but surely she got better and better and my favourite album ever, Imaginaerum, was done with her brilliant vocals but unfortunately I don't think she ever got to fully realise her potential with Nightwish. Thankfully nowadays she is busy living her best life doing musical side-projects part time while working as a nurse.
Hi Eric. I believe it can be quite a handicap going into this song withou hearing Tarja first. I hope you'll still be able to appreciate their original era with Tarja without any prejudice. I'd certainly recommend watching some of the older hits with Tarja before diving into the Poet and the Pendulum. For the first impression I'd probably recommend Sleeping Sun, possibly contrary to popular opinion that is you should watch Phantom of the Opera. But Phantom is a cover, but I think that listening to the Nigtwish'es original song would hit differently with you. So yeah. Sleeping Sun with Tarja would be my suggestion for you. See ya in your next video, and thanks for the great content you provide us with :-)
@@KristiinaBerg I'm going to get hate for this. I apologize however Tahja was good live here studio performances were also much better. In life she was often out of flat and couldn't hold the notes in key. Please don't misunderstand. She is fantastic.. however. Floor fits with everything that they do. It really is amazing. And if you don't know how hard it is replace a nother member especially vocals. Ask any musician. Yes Floor Tah did a project together and talked once. I doesn't mean there friends.
I love how the model guitar player drops to her knees to shred and she is still taller than Emppu standing in his power stance/ lunging guitar warrior pose! 😁
There are three songs on DPP that deal with the break up with Tarja. This one is written about Tarja, The Poet and the Pendulum deals with Tuomas's state of mind after basically he was ran over by the rollercoaster of angry fans. (Even the Finnish Prime Minister was asked to comment on her dismissal). The third song is about Marcelo, (Tarja's husband) Master Passion Greed. This song is the most dark and angry song Tuomas ever wrote and Marko never sounded more angry, also Jukka tried to kill the drums and Emppu has never sounded chunkier. But the song is killer; good speed, chunky riffs and pure rage that grows and grows in the song. I always feel bad saying this but I truly wish Tuomas was pissed more often.
Here's another Dutch symphonic metal band you need to check out. Blackbriar as their own Unique metal sound. Zora the lead singer Is one of those rare singers Whose voice is so different Zora can't be be duplicated. Like Kate Bush or Nina Hagen there will only be one. •Please react to Arms of the Ocean. Blackbriar is produced by Joost van den Broek
@@rientsdijkstra4266 I think their songwriting is excellent. With a different songwriter, it wouldn't be Blackbriar. They have their style of songwriting and it's something that grows on you once you catch on to what they are going for with each song
@@atsz. Well, I edited my contribution (as you may have seen) because my first words where a bit too harsh. But I do think that their songwriting needs a bit of work: the songs sound good, but they lack a bit of dynamics. (listen for instance to band like Nightwish, Ayreon or Epica to hear how you can make a song dynamic so as to keep the attention of the listener)
@@rientsdijkstra4266 I understand, and well, I'm just glad to see you comparing Blackbriar to these bands (legends, really). They've certainly come a long way.
i concur in "master,passion,greed" it rounds out the trifecta...i also chuckled a bit when you said about tuomas not doing broadway or disney-esque tunes or anything like that because he did an album "the life and times of scrooge mcduck"....which really is amazing...song is sung by his wife Johanna Kurkela. and the video has Don Rosa the illustrator of the disney ducks.... th-cam.com/video/JWwSVOo5K_k/w-d-xo.html
Lol yes Tuomas wrote a whole EP about his favorite graphic novel. Also don't forget that imaginaerum is not just a concept album but a full length motion picture co-written by Tuomas. Johanna is a beautiful person, singer, soul. If you are not familiar she, Tuomas, & Troy have a side project called Auri.
Excellent analysis and I am with you 100%. And it is also smart to go back in time and get some "vibe" from the former singers, to really see how Nightwish have evolved through time - from their composing, style and to their lyrics. In that way you clearly see the impact Floor and Troy had, when they became permanent members. It's also important to remember to time-line here. Both Troy and Floor were real professionals when they arrived (the documentary "the making of Endless forms most beautiful" shows this). Especially Floor who had been writing and composing for more than a decade on top level, she participated on a whole new level, compared to former singers. And as you say, Anette is a very good singer, especially to this type of compositions (Tuomas is a genius in knowing exactly how-to) - but on live concerts, she came on short. She is better now - much better. It's incredible to see how the 3 singers perform the same songs differently - and there are fans to all of the versions. It really shows the evolution and the effects of the lead singer - and how well the rest of the band can adjust to the lead singers personality and style - and vice versa. The fans reaction is another story.... Excellent analysis and reaction - and please don't worry about doing a lot of Nightwish reactions - their songs and styles are so versatile from pure classical music, celtic folk, to heavy metal, that it will never feel alike. The reason might be in the change of lead singers..
This song has a message that Tuomas felt needed to be said, but he is not going to waste his creative genius on this matter any further. That is why it is radio friendly (hooky).
Good point about Anette being the messenger.. haven't thought about it like that. Since you listened to this before The Poet and The Pendulum, you should probably listen to Master Passion Greed too! th-cam.com/video/hBTRq2Kgt3Q/w-d-xo.html
Indeed! I always thought Master Passion Greed would be perfect to listen to before PATP just to really let it sink in how upset Tuomas was but usually people do it after.
Anette gets a lot of unwarranted hate. She is obviously no Floor or Tarja and she doesn't have the depth of colour but she is good outside the context of Nightwish. She does some NW songs really well too and those 2 albums she did were two of the most popular - that has to say something. TPATP is my No 1 Nightwish song so glad you're coming to it. (No 2 is Song of Myself and No 3 is 7 Days to the Wolves) When you've done TPATP you may want to listen to the demo version which is all Marco vocals sounding quite like he does here in places. But the demo is angrier, lyrically and in delivery so worth a listen. Emppu is badly underrated. I'm my opinion he is a true Master, almost a GOAT.
i concur. there's a live version of TPATP with Annette and Jukka still in the band. i watched it because i wanted to hear it with Jukka. it's an emotionally heavy song. the one everyone wants is the Wembley version with Floor and Kai, of course. no one will ever call Annette a bad singer. Tuomas doesn't hire bad musicians. she was simply radically different from Tarja, and, not as Floor as Floor is, if that makes sense.
Hate is too strong word used too often... a lot of people are just disappointed with the quality of singing Anette can offer. Just my take on the matter...
A world without songs like Storytime, Scaretale and Song of Myself is a world much less fun, and those songs most likely wouldntve been created if it werent for Anette being in Nightwish.
Steve Harris of Iron Maiden said of the album Dark Passion Play by Nightwish " I think it’s one of the best-sounding albums I’ve ever heard in my life " .
LMAO! when you mentioned Van Hagar, I immediately thought of Crystal Pepsi! You also mention ABBA... I do believe Annette came to Nightwish from an ABBA cover band.
I aprreciate that you caught the fact that this song is a radio composition. Tuomas wanted to be as largely broadcasted as possible probably. I need to tell you that, Toumas said in a in interview, that the easisest thing to do, is to create a composition of lenghtier duration, and the hardest thing is to write a song which is 3-4 minutes long. For example Ghost love score is about 10 minutes. Poet And the pendulum is about 15 minutes, and The Greatest Show on Earth is about 23 minutes !!! Those are the most viewed songs by reactors - but i must emphasis that there are others as well. For example Creek Mary's Blood - A native americans story which is (as far as i know) the only song used in a movie as a soundtrack which is about 8 minutes, Song Of Myself about 13 minutes (but in concerts are played about 6 minutes) ANNDD what i consider to be the best example - Imaginaerium (not the album, but the song) - a track which is an instrumental track which has about 6 minutes but is a FUSION of all the songs in the album - a remix if you would like.... but with this track you can clearly see how Tuomas creates an album. It's all about inspiration to create a song. Then from that song he can create a whole album and more. ALSO The album Human Nature (the last one realeased) there is a second cd which is a full staggering 30 minutes of Tuomas GENIUS in 8 songs which are all about the planet Earth in a symphony way (not symphonic metal).I really really really would like you to react to Creek's Mary's Blood Live from End of an Era 2004 with Tarja because it's a song that is so underrated - besides that, i really like,love and enjoy what you are doing. ... For the hope that would see Creek Mary's Blood on your channel i am subscribing right now.
I really love this whole "Dark Passion Play" with Annette. She has a different sound, and it's okay! Personally, I don't understand why "Bye Bye Beautiful" never got any play time in the US. I know I would have listened to Nightwish.
It did get some play in the US, along with Amaranth (my personal favorite) both versions, studio with Annette and live at Wacken with Floor however you're right for some reason mainstream radio never really caught on to their music whether it was lack of promotion or they just didn't think it would be well received by listeners who hadn't been exposed to progressive music at the time, either way BIG MISTAKE! I grew up on ACDC, Zeppelin, Van Halen but NIGHTWISH has been my favorite band for years, don't underestimate what listeners will like, lesson to radio people everywhere you've cheated people out of hearing the best music out there!
"it's not the tree that forsakes the flower... but the flower that forsakes the tree..." Brilliant lyrics! I don't mind but rather appreciate all 3 singers, something more evident in the NW fans of the latter days. Haters and toxic fans really gets on my nerves, since I just wanna love the band and all their music! Great reaction dude! Best wishes from Namibia
Hey Eric! I really have enjoyed all your reaction videos. The way you break things down and can pin point these individual sounds and explain where they come from is very insightful. One of the few reaction channels that I have watched where I actually feel like its entertaining and I am learning something and its worth watching to the end! I am not part of the nightwish army but I fell into that rabbit hole many many years ago but only recently started looking through other nuclear blast records. So many good metal bands seem to end up there. My recommendation, as I would love to hear your thoughts, would be to check out Blind and Frozen by Beast in Black. I heard you mention in another video that others had said you had to hear Yannis Papadopoulos and this would be a great one to check out! Props again for the great videos. I am sure your channel will continue to grow quickly!
I concur! Yannis is phenomenal and Beast in Black is nothing short of amazing. I like to describe them as the lost love child of Abba and Judas Priest. Please do definitely check them out.
I love Floor, I love Traja (Nigthwish or solo) as I love Anette (again both on Nigthwish and solo), they are diferent as vocalists but all made part of the history of the band... The world has bigger problems than Nigthwish fans busting each others balls all over the internet about who is the best nigthwish vocalist! They are all from where I stand! Music should be fun... And I HAVE FUN listening to Nigthwish Whom ever sings the song! All the love from Portugal!
Didn't expect Bye Bye Beautiful, great to hear your perspective on such more radio friendly Nightwish song! As an OG Nightwish fan I never felt any animosity towards Anette I was just sad that Nightwish lost that magic and uniqueness they had with operatic voice of Tarja. And Anette absolutely couldn't perform songs that were written in Tarja era. But, as you said, if you take her out of Nightwish, she is great singer, just not what epicness of Nightwish requires. After 2 albums with Anette, Tuomas finally realized it's time to end this experiment and bring Floor in, which took Nightwish on whole new level. Can't wait to hear what you gonna say about Phantom of the Opera live from End of an Era (Tarja's last concert with Nightwish, without her knowing it is last while they knew, which creates interesting dynamic in their relationship on stage, and it's legendary concert). I hope you pick that one as an introduction to Tarja, I mean you have to, there's no other way :) She and Marco absolutely destroy, insane!
I'm glad they didn't stay digging in that tacklebox. Radiohits are needed sometimes and Anette did a couple of thoose. Or should I say that Tuomas made a couple for her?? And therefore made their singer perform in the segment she could shine in. Thank you for staying with the sizeratios (you vs screen) Much Love 💙💛💙
It's strange you mention ABBA because, as I understand, Anette was an ABBA cover band singer before she was chosen for Nightwish. Or did you already know that? Anette's 2 albums with Nightwish are my favourites but I think that has more to do with Tuomas' song writing and the state of mind he was in when they were created. Floor remains my all-time favourite singer and performer and one of my most favourite people on the planet. Floor and Tuomas, what a combo!
If you would like to hear a Nightwish song performed by all 3 singers go for "Sleeping Sun". There are some good live versions for each on the youtube.
Great show like always :-) I like the new screen Layout much more than the old one by the way. And Nightwish ... well, what could be better for starting the Evening 😁
Please react to Ignea - Alga if you want to show any solidarity for the Ukrane. The song was written a few years ago however the lyrics are surprisingly relevant today.
It looks like we are building towards Poet, my suggestion is once you have done poet and you have an understanding of what the break up with Tarja was like (think back to "High Hopes" as that was the night it all came to a head.) Look at something like "My Walden" or "Alpenglow", "Shudder before the Beautiful" before going on to GSOE, it'll give you an idea of where Toumas is now mentally, emotionally and as importantly creatively.
The Interloper in Nightwish’s History is Tarja’s Husband, Tuomas wrote for Tarja this Changed the Core of Nightwish. Tuomas was Very close to Tarja before Nightwish, Long Friendship Growing Up. Tarja Changed after Marriage, the influence from Her Husband Created a Power Struggle in the band. Tarja Sided with her husband, this was tearing the band apart. Tuomas said Tarja could not be replaced (Talent was too good to him), So he was not going try. Unfortunately a lot of the fans did not respond well to the change, it was said that he was in pain when writing anything that was like what he had written for Tarja. Anette was not Tarja, relief maybe for tuomas in his writing , but the “Change” created a turbulence in the Nightwish World (Anger and Sadness).
Annette is a great singer! It’s hard to come into a band and replace the original singer, and it did, absolutely cause a rift between the fans. But that being said, it seems that rift was closed by Floor. Floor seems to have healed the band and healed the fans. The Nightwish army is whole again. I will agree that 2006-2007 was an extremely emotional time for Nightwish as well as was 2012 when Annette left the band and Floor had to fly from Europe to Denver (I think) and finish the tour having only the flight plus 3 days to learn the set list and practice with the band, singing with Marco for the first time. And she killed it!
Here Delain ft. Floor and Marko already in 2009, sorry bad quality: th-cam.com/video/hHtJsiLAkM4/w-d-xo.html. And there is also a single version of Face Your Demons by Floor's After Forever ft. Marko from 2006.
For me, the best two albums of NW are from Anette era... Imaginaerum album is above everything they had done before or after it, there is something in that album, that touches my very being.. Still I believe Floor is the best for the band and lot of Anette songs are great with Floor :)
I feel bad for Anette. She's asked to replace the Nightwish MATRIACH, and does a good job, only to become the female Wally Pipp for Floor seven years later.
Hello! It's a gift to see a knowledgeable person reacting to this band, and another type of gift to see someone go down the Nightwish rabbit hole in an emotional way. So thank you for both those facets of your journey! Just slipped into the comments for this little bit of info: th-cam.com/video/z5KNhcMxrCw/w-d-xo.html (right pronunciation of Tarja's name) Feel free to delete the comment once you see it. Have a great day and stay in good health, hope to see a new video from you really soon!
like always a damn fine reaction! some fun thing abou this video since I do not see anyone else mentioning it this video is all girls cuz when Tuomas chose Annette to replace Tarja, many fans were saying they cose her cuz she is pretty! so in this video they chose to be all girls to make fun of that accusation!!! and this video is the most watched video of nightwish and also the label channel on youtube!!!
If you want more Annette, please make sure to listen to 'Amaranth', a.k.a. their other video with more than 100M views. It's a bit less of a 'message song', but an **absolute banger** nonetheless. Plus, it's the one song that simply belongs to Annette, in the sense that not even the glorious Floor has been able to make it her own. Once you hear the chorus, you'll understand.
If you want to continue the Anette and "pop rock" songs, I recommend official video of "Amaranth", Anette is great and it is most definitely a radio friendly song.
You know what would be very interesting? (Although it might make for a way too long video) Planet Hell! It was originally recorded with Tarja but in NW’s channel there are great versions with both Anette and Floor (Anette’s was recorded in a studio and Floor’s live), so you can really compare their differences in style.
This was the perfect reaction with the perfect Anette song n the perfect version ...It's a song that only Anette has done ,Floor is friends with Tarja pronounced TAR-E-YA all the members of this band has a "Y" sound instead of the "J" sound Jensen ,the 2 Jukka's n Tarja why this is perfect version being the official video is Nightwish making fun of critics saying they got Anette as a sex appeal reason.
As usual, great reaction. Very insightful comments on Anette's position as messenger. Someone else already mentioned my favorite of her tracks, so I'll go concur with it instead of leaving it here. Who knows how accurate this is, as it's likely a fuzzy memory combined with potentially wildly inaccurate information in the first place, but from what I recall when this whole ordeal went down, the internet fans were convinced choosing Anette was "selling out", "going commercial", "a "vain choice" etc, and the Nightwish sound would change entirely with that. Tuomas responded by writing this very "radio-friendly"-ish song, threw beautiful female counterparts to the entire band into the video, and put out a middle finger to Tajra as well as the entire negative not-fanbase in this song. If someone else has more accurate information, I'd love to hear it. This is just my recollection of various internet board postings 17 years ago.
I’m not gonna hate on Annette. She’s got a great voice and I won’t judge her against other singers period! Love the song it’s punchy and everyone does a great job on it. Waiting on Poet reaction with great anticipation 😬🤘. Great reaction Eric keep it up and Be Good.
I love nightwish but I have a soft spot for Anette because she was Era of nightwish that I first heard Dark passion play was my first nightwish album then was a live concert release of that tour. Anette sounded great. My first time seeing Nightwish live was the Imaginarium tour but was a 1 off in Universal amphitheater that I got to see with anette. They did a metal cruise and then back to Europe. Was later that fall they did an entire north American tour for Imaginarium. I seen that as well in CA however that's the tour Anette was a few months pregnant and was let go from the band a few stops before the night I had tix for. Floor was flown in to fill in for vocals the rest of the tour. I was upfront that night. Floor was amazing. Actually she was better than she has been on the last 2 tours. My opinion. Anyway was an exciting time I got to meet Floor and the band and hang out. I have photos with all and Floor was drinking a bud light after the show .I also met Marco earlier that day when they were loading in. Super cool dude.
I jumped down the 'rabbit hole' only recently during the Floor era, but I've done my homework and studied their history, too. Sure, we all develop our own preferences, but the simple fact is that Anette's voice is out front on two incredibly good studio albums; Dark Passion Play and Imaginaerum. She may not have the power/range of either Tarja or Floor, but her voice worked well on those two albums and it was obviously the sound that Tuomas could craft hit singles around; Bye Bye Beautiful, Amaranth, and Storytime, for example. So, while I think Floor is on a level all by herself, my take is all three added solid contributions. Thanks for another great reaction, Eric!
Tuomas writes other things besides (heavy) metal. Have a listen to the band "Auri", where he, his wife Johanna Kurkela and Troy Donockley work on prog folk. And also Tuomas's solo project "Music Inspired By The Life And Times Of Scrooge" with the song "A Lifetime of Adventure" : th-cam.com/video/JWwSVOo5K_k/w-d-xo.html
Anette was, well is, a brilliant vocalist on her own, no doubt about that. She's just not what a Nightwish vocalist needs to be, she was the Nightwish vocalist the Band members needed her to be at the time but on the long run not the vocalist Nightwish needs. Annette was a ferry for Nightwish to cross over the bitterness and transform into something otherwordly we see it become. It wouldn't be fair for the vocalist to carry that hate on her words for the rest of the bands life, when she had no role in the original trauma. Floor 🌸 was the new blossom of Nightwish, and her shoulders carry no weight of the past.
This is my 3rd video of Nightwish without Floor. I discovered Nightwish with Floor 2.5 years ago, and have not been really interested in the other 2 female singers. I have only watched 3 Nightwish videos without Floor, the Phantom of the Opera with Tarja, Storytime music video with Anette, and now this one. Phantom of the Opera because I have loved that musical since it came out in the mid 80's, Storytime with Anette, because Storytime at Wacken 2013 or any concert Floor sings it, is my favorite song. Lastly, I only watched this video today is because you were reacting to it. I liked it and understand a lot of what you said. When you get time, check out Floor's While Love Died (Official Video). That will rock your socks off also, at least it did mine. Another side of Floor.
BTW (Yes, I will comment many times in a row, engagement to you, I guess? anyway...) after "islander (live)" video have you listen to CD version (MV one?). It is made beautifully, Anette's vocals meet with Marco's perfectly and they have Troy there too (he is playing an instrument and has no beard, at the time he has a guest and featured artist on the song before he was a permanent member of this band)
There is a lot of live and let die in Master Passion Greed, which is also about the Tarja era. You should do that one too, it's HEAVY (no live version)
🤩👍💥 💯 🤘😎 🇫🇮 💙 If and in fact we Finns don't appreciate too much our eastern neighbours, so it was an odd choice(not in a bad way) when A. Olzon came on vocals to this magical band... Anyways "Nüric" Neat reaction män, as always. Greets from Finland 🇫🇮 🥶
Must must listen to Master Passion Greed - no live, no video, but you do not need it to fully experience the message. Marko is on fire & it is a heavy metal song. Angry Tuomas is just as awesome as happy Tuomas, artistically.
Dark Passion play is the album where I discovered Nightwish so I will always have a fondness for Anette. On my Nightwish journey I have easily arrived at the conclusion that all 3 singers, all band members, have contributed to the Nightwish legend. No need to rank order or choose. Just enjoy the music.
Great reaction to this song Eric, it's been a while since I listened to this one. Gotta give it to Annette, she nailed those two studio albums, allthough live performing is not a given for every singer/songster out there... Glad you did your research on the whole Tarja debacle, this way 'The Poet and the Pendulum' will hit you twice as hard, as you get a front row ticket to Tuomas' mind dealing with the aftermath of firing her. Tears me up every time I enjoy it...(🤔, right?😄) Be sure to react to the Wembley stadium version with subtitles, it adds so much more to it... Have a great weekend bud, see you soon and greetz from the Netherlands 🤘🤘🤘
I appreciate your refusal to weigh the pros and cons of their different singers. For me Floor is 1 if 1 but Nightwish is not what and who they are without the contributions of both Tarja and Anette. Anette is great and never claimed to be a metal singer. Tuomas wrote songs that she could deliver in a studio and she did that very well. There is a reason that their albums with her were so commercially successful. The album versions of Amaranth, Storytime and this track are awesome.
And for some other songs that are Radio ready - i suggest Where Were You Last Night a remake after Ankie Bagger's song from 1989, and Nemo live with Tarja, and I Wish i Had An Angel
Another great and unique reaction. The Live and Let Die reference is spot on and one I never caught before. Others have mentioned the Nightwish Trifecta of the Tarja break up and also Tarja's musical response. Enough by Tarja is really good and worth a reaction. Anette was usually better in the studio versus live. Just compare Amaranthe music video vs her live at the Lowlands for a song written for her. I have heard other vocal coaches say she has a vocal timbre that is easy to capture and lends itself to post production which may be part of the reason her studio stuff sounds so good. I also love her stuff with Dark Element (Songs teh Night Sings). As her voice has matured it has added more depth and warmth to her sound. Best live Annette is Slow Love Slow from Montreaux. Also love Meadows of Heaven live as well. They chose the models for the video because critics accused Nightwish of picking Anette just for her looks. Lots of people like Phantom of the Opera for the Tarja era but that song is really about Marko. I think Nemo and Sleeping Sun do a better job of show casing her beautiful voice. I especially love Kuolema Tekee Taiteilijan, one of the few Nightwish songs in Finnish.
Ok, you said Marco is on everything and in "human nature" album all 3 vocalist get to sing: Floor, Marco and Troy. it is great album and CD1 is vocal one, so I hope you do reaction to all songs one by one
Anette sings Nightwish ballads in my opinion best of the singers. Check out for instance Eva, so beautiful. Another song that will blow your mind is Scaretale with Anette and Marko.
They haven't played this song since Anette left. Floor doesn't want to sing it because she and Tarja are friends. The song I like Anette on the most is Amaranth. If you want to hear that, the official video is the best option for her. Floor performed it at Wacken
Not a reaction request just more of a during your spare time to see this done live, try Bye Bye Beautiful live from Sydney Mosh cam video, it's done really well and I love it because Jukka is on fire beating the hell out of his kit during that performance, and please don't forget about Wacken 2013, you've only scratched the surface of that show, there's not a bad song in the entire set and you haven't gotten to the real bangers yet ,Song of myself, Amaranth, Storytime, She is my sin, and a personal favorite of mine I want my tears back and one of their Signature songs Nemo, I'm sure these have all been suggested already but I'm really anxious to see your feelings on those and also since you appreciate Marco check out Kiss while your lips are still red from Wembley another one with a powerful message about appreciating what you have while you have it and it's probably one you'll hear once and not be able to listen to it again for a while but it's a beautiful song, I always enjoy seeing people explore NIGHTWISH and how many directions they can take you , classic rock sound to folky to progressive to straight up metal, explore and have fun!
They did "bye bye beautiful" and Tarja did "I walk alone" songs after break up, I guess music (art in general) is a way to express the feelings and let them go?..
yeah once again right on the money, all three Nightwish singers are exceptionally talented and as too "by, by beautiful" is the prologue to "Poet and the pendulum" the great epilogue to the "Poet" is "Master passion greed", language a little harsh but mood of the moment I guess.
Excellent reaction. I think you caught my thoughts and feelings exactly . Anette has a great voice for a particular style of song. I happen to like this version of bye bye beautiful better than the other versions I have heard , even live versions by other singers. So to hear Anette at her best I think you made a great choice. Another good choice to hear Anette at her best is the music video version of Amaranth. You caught onto the brilliance of Tuomas's ability to adjust the tone of the song according to the ability and sound of the lead singer. He seems to try to give everyone in the band a chance to show off their skills and make them sound at their best. That being said Tuomas must be in heaven being able to write for a singer who is so versatile , talented and agreeable .
Thanks Eric! Especially for taking the politics out of a great rock track! I'm fairly new to Nightwish and while I recognize the vocal range, flexibility and dynamism of Floor, and she is superior in every way, I don't hold that out as a reason for excluding the previous vocalists. There are some tracks from each version/iteration of the band that have great appeal. For example, I prefer Tarja's version of Sleeping Sun, and I really hope you get to react to that. And I have a particularly soft place for Troy and their instrumental track, LAST OF THE WILDS. This band just has so much to offer, dating back to their 1st album, to take an elitest position on which singer is better is to turn a deaf ear and blind eye to years of exceptional songwriting and composition. And the 'rift' is an excuse for friction or to place one's self in a superior status. They're all equal. Timing is everything. And the most impactful music is specific to everyone and to no one. Each person experiences music/art with their exquisitely unique filters and amplifiers. No two the same. In my observation of consumers of art, the individual determines the value, but only for themselves. They can NOT impose their perception on another. Just can't. So, while every fan can make a value judgement about the quality or subjective appeal, that judgement is singular, for an audience of one. The listener. When I was much younger, I was often the victim of peer pressure. Especially in my listening choices and I was encouraged to like some things or dislike others based on the group I was with. For a period of time, I listened to bands Like BREAD or CSNY. At other times it was KISS or NAZARETH. But Not the BeeGees or ABBA for God's sake. I didn't find out for 20 years how good their music is. I still prefer Rock and Metal, but once in a while, I'll put on DIARY by Bread, or YOU SHOULD BE DANCING by the BeeGees. Their music still holds up 40 years later.
Great commentary as usual. It was a good pick. This is one of 3 songs related to the Tarja split. This one pointed at Tarja herself and what lead to the division. Another, Master Passion Greed is pointed at Tarja’s husband, pretty much blaming him. It is sung by Marco. It has no video and was never once performed live. Probably their hardest/heaviest metal song. Give it a listen sometime. The third being the great Poet and the Pendulum, with Tuomas’ inner feelings of the aftermath. Anette did get an unfair shake, both when she entered and when she left. Do stick with studio stuff of hers. Looking forward to all your Nightwish reactions.
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Watching several interviews and listening to several interpretations of the same songs, I understood something: every time a member leaves the band, the one who replaces does not try to imitate his/her style, in Nightwish. I noticed this in the case of Tarja / Anette (explained by Floor in one of her first interviews after entering Nightwish), I also noticed this since Marco left, in a few songs from the virtual concert. Each of them has its own unique voice, and no attempt has been made to duplicate this uniqueness by those who followed. It seems to me an honest approach.
One more thing: I understand that the fans upset by Tarja's departure reproached the band for choosing Anette because she was beautiful in the first place, so in this video they chose a team of beautiful girls instead of all the band members :)
Anette's studio work is really good. I'm not really a fan of her live performances, but both albums with Anette are awesome.
This song was Tuomas' message to Tarja. He also had a message for her husband on that same album. Even more agressive and angry lyrics, packaged with the heaviest music Nighwish has done so far. It's called 'Master Passion Greed' and it's sung by Marko. They have never played it live, but there is a nice fan-made video around th-cam.com/video/Bkib0dIziXk/w-d-xo.html
Of course there's also 'The Poet And The Pendulum' on this album in which Tuomas gives an insight into his state of mind after everything that went down with Tarja.
Agree yeah not great live never wnet to live show with her costs me alot to go in Canda hotel flight there and back yeah expensive.
I concur. This is a VERY angry song that is a Must listen to
I concur. Probably the darkest Nighwish tonally.
Oh yeah, in "Master Passion Greed" you get to hear what a really angry Tuomas sounds like. He needed to pour out a whole lot of emotions with that album.
Definitely a yes to MPG.
This is the one song that shows very clear that the decision to fire Tarja was unanimous. It's pure rage that grows and grows, yet still stays a great symphonic metal song.
What's the old saying, don't be the guy who replaced the legend, be the guy that replaced the guy who replaced the legend.
This holds true here.
The biggest difference between the three singers comes down to range of tone and versatility.
Taria and Annette were at opposite ends of soprano.
Floor Jansen can do what the previous two did and everything in between.
All three singers have made an important impact on the band. I don’t like to compare the three as I like them all for different reasons.
The third part of the trinity of anger is "Master Passion Greed", perhaps Nightwish's angriest and heaviest song and directed toward Tarja's husband. Never been played live and never will. If you do it, please do the lyric video so you know what's being sung. Link here: th-cam.com/video/wS7NrPNjACI/w-d-xo.html
I concur. The fan-made video is really well made, but I'd say that it doesn't "add" anything. The lyrics video on the other hand... Well, it's not one of the easiest to understand songs (in terms of pronunciation over the instruments), so being able to read along is really helpful 🙃
I concur. another must hear song, I just wish there was a video to go along with it
One of the Best from Marko! 😁
I concur. This one should be next!
I concur, amazing song.
I've loved Nightwish almost from the beginning. I was young and very sad when Tarja was fired.
When Dark Passion Play came out I was almost shocked. It was so different from what I was used to, but at the same time it was very Nightwish. And so good !!
The two albums with Anette on vocals are for me the best. I come back to them again and again.
With Floor came a new era. She has sung on two good albums. Now they are working on their 10th studio album. I'm so excited about what's coming.🤘
Nothing wrong with some well placed anger, especially in defense of oneself. I like it too.
Amaranth is even more radio-friendly.
Everything you said about Anette is spot on. She was placed in a rough position, but one she surely couldn't pass up. And she received (and continues to receive) a lot of unwarranted hate. As others have pointed out, she wasn't nearly as good live as Tarja or Floor. She's said as much herself in interviews. She feels much more comfortable in the studio and it shows. In fact, I might even venture to say her studio work is better than Tarja or Floor, in that she really knows how to harmonize with herself and deliver a melody.
It's also worth mentioning the impact she had on the band. On the previous 5 albums, Tuomas was writing with Tarja's powerful operatic voice in mind. Anette's strength is hooks. She's Swedish, the country that's mastered pop music. So his writing changed to accommodate, and even though her stay with the band was relatively short, Dark Passion Play and Imaginaerum are right up there with their best. Any Nightwish fan will tell you as much. Unfortunately, the band really shines live and Anette couldn't really deliver.
That being said, I'd recommend checking out her new band: The Dark Element. They're also a symphonic metal band, but a bit more "poppy". Jani Liimatainen writes songs that fully utilize Anette's strengths and they're worth a listen.
Side note (apologies for the rambling!), if you're looking for more Anette with Nightwish, I'd recommend "The Escapist". It's a B-side that never made it on to an album (which is wild to me) and is perhaps her best showing with the band.
Cheers from Boston
This, and Amaranth, are to me the best NightWish/Annette era tracks.
Also.... i concur.
I concur, with "The Escapist" as a forgotten gem. Best quality - studio audio only in YT.
I concur!
I second The Dark Element. Eric, you should give it a listen sometime, even if it's not for a reaction ;)
Swedish= Master in black/death metal, no pop music!!!
I saw documentary called End of the era, in there everyone is backstage including the "Navajo Indian" dude and you could see that everybody was tense. Because they knew this could be THE last show. Emppu tried to throw some jokes so the guest star wouldn't feel unwelcome or anything. But Tuomas, Jukka ,Marco were all just silent and in their own thoughts. It was little grinch to see, but thank goodness all worked out better in the end.
Greatest Show on Earth! My favorite song of all time. It single handedly made me come to terms with my mortality
I love this track!! It's mostly definitely a reaction worthy song. I would recommend the "Live @ Tampere" performance.
You won't find a live version with Floor. She doesn't want to sing this because she and Tarja are good friends.
It has nothing to do with Floor. Nightwish performed this song only on the Dark Passion Play world tour, and then Tuomas considered it irrelevant and had never played it live since 2008, long before Floor.
Tuomas wrote The Poet And The Pendulum (song about himself), Bye Bye Beautiful (song about Tarja) and Master Passion Greed (song about her meddling husband / manager).
Tara wrote I Walk Alone (song about herself.) and Sing For Me (song about Tuomas).
Then both sides moved on with their own carreers. To my knowledge, Bye Bye Beautiful and Master Passion Greed were never played live.
Both Bye Bye Beautiful and Master Passion Greed were played live. I am pretty sure that BBB was played at the first show of their US tour. I know MPG was played at a show in Allentown, PA.
@@davidlewis5929 Master Passion Greed has never been played live, not even in Allentown, PA. Bye Bye Beautiful play count stands at 156 live shows.
@@jackfinn567 I guess myself and the other 2 people I was with must have imagined that. We probably also imagined the 10+ min jam session that Marko, Emppu and Troy that was unlike anything we had seen in any other show.
As a slight correction, I Walk Alone is not about Tarja. She did choose it because she identified with it, but the actual writers' inspiration was a Mozart piece. Jørn Lande does a phenomenal version as well.
It's really cool to have someone with your radio experience check out this song. It's not the only song on the album that could be considered perfect for the radio while also uniquely Nightwish.
Honestly, Anette had it tougher than anyone. It's fine not to like her vocal style or to think she needed to improve her live performance ability but every single thing about her from her voice to her appearance and aesthetic to her attitude and personality was absolutely ripped to shreds by a subset of the "fanbase". Slowly but surely she got better and better and my favourite album ever, Imaginaerum, was done with her brilliant vocals but unfortunately I don't think she ever got to fully realise her potential with Nightwish.
Thankfully nowadays she is busy living her best life doing musical side-projects part time while working as a nurse.
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As usual great reaction...... Spot on !
TY I enjoy your Nightwish reactions
Hi Eric.
I believe it can be quite a handicap going into this song withou hearing Tarja first. I hope you'll still be able to appreciate their original era with Tarja without any prejudice. I'd certainly recommend watching some of the older hits with Tarja before diving into the Poet and the Pendulum.
For the first impression I'd probably recommend Sleeping Sun, possibly contrary to popular opinion that is you should watch Phantom of the Opera. But Phantom is a cover, but I think that listening to the Nigtwish'es original song would hit differently with you.
So yeah. Sleeping Sun with Tarja would be my suggestion for you.
See ya in your next video, and thanks for the great content you provide us with :-)
YES Sleeping sun and Nemo with Tarja are great! Still love The Phantom of The Opera! (Marko😍)
I think Tarja sings Planet Hell best. And of course Creek Mary's Blood, Ever Dream, Swan Heart and Beauty of the Beast.
@@KristiinaBerg I'm going to get hate for this. I apologize however Tahja was good live here studio performances were also much better.
In life she was often out of flat and couldn't hold the notes in key. Please don't misunderstand. She is fantastic.. however. Floor fits with everything that they do. It really is amazing.
And if you don't know how hard it is replace a nother member especially vocals. Ask any musician. Yes Floor Tah did a project together and talked once. I doesn't mean there friends.
@@ejllamobeolan5025 Although I am not fan of Tarja's pronunciation and the timbre in her voice, there is something classy and magical about her.
Yep. Floor fan here, but Sleeping Sun with Tarja is magical. Phantom is a Marko song :D
I love how the model guitar player drops to her knees to shred and she is still taller than Emppu standing in his power stance/ lunging guitar warrior pose! 😁
There are three songs on DPP that deal with the break up with Tarja. This one is written about Tarja, The Poet and the Pendulum deals with Tuomas's state of mind after basically he was ran over by the rollercoaster of angry fans. (Even the Finnish Prime Minister was asked to comment on her dismissal).
The third song is about Marcelo, (Tarja's husband) Master Passion Greed. This song is the most dark and angry song Tuomas ever wrote and Marko never sounded more angry, also Jukka tried to kill the drums and Emppu has never sounded chunkier. But the song is killer; good speed, chunky riffs and pure rage that grows and grows in the song.
I always feel bad saying this but I truly wish Tuomas was pissed more often.
I agree completely about "Master Passion Greed"! I've never heard a angrier song fein Nightwish.
Here's another Dutch symphonic metal band you need to check out.
Blackbriar as their own
Unique metal sound.
Zora the lead singer Is one of those rare singers
Whose voice is so different Zora can't be be duplicated. Like Kate Bush or Nina Hagen there will only be one.
•Please react to Arms of the Ocean.
Blackbriar is produced by
Joost van den Broek
singer = talent! Songs sound good, But the compositions need a bit more work (bit too much of the same thing..., for my taste...)
@@rientsdijkstra4266 I think their songwriting is excellent. With a different songwriter, it wouldn't be Blackbriar. They have their style of songwriting and it's something that grows on you once you catch on to what they are going for with each song
@@atsz. Well, I edited my contribution (as you may have seen) because my first words where a bit too harsh. But I do think that their songwriting needs a bit of work: the songs sound good, but they lack a bit of dynamics. (listen for instance to band like Nightwish, Ayreon or Epica to hear how you can make a song dynamic so as to keep the attention of the listener)
@@rientsdijkstra4266 I understand, and well, I'm just glad to see you comparing Blackbriar to these bands (legends, really). They've certainly come a long way.
@@atsz. Ok, keep up the good work! 😎🤘
i concur in "master,passion,greed" it rounds out the trifecta...i also chuckled a bit when you said about tuomas not doing broadway or disney-esque tunes or anything like that because he did an album "the life and times of scrooge mcduck"....which really is amazing...song is sung by his wife Johanna Kurkela. and the video has Don Rosa the illustrator of the disney ducks.... th-cam.com/video/JWwSVOo5K_k/w-d-xo.html
i concur to the life and times of scrooge mcduck - ( A Lifetime of Adventure ) :)
Lol yes Tuomas wrote a whole EP about his favorite graphic novel. Also don't forget that imaginaerum is not just a concept album but a full length motion picture co-written by Tuomas. Johanna is a beautiful person, singer, soul. If you are not familiar she, Tuomas, & Troy have a side project called Auri.
❤️ I love that you noticed and mentioned the bandana on the drum model. 🤘
The models are Tuomas's reaction to fans accusing him of choosing Annette for her looks not voice. So they replace the whole band.
Excellent analysis and I am with you 100%.
And it is also smart to go back in time and get some "vibe" from the former singers, to really see how Nightwish have evolved through time - from their composing, style and to their lyrics. In that way you clearly see the impact Floor and Troy had, when they became permanent members. It's also important to remember to time-line here. Both Troy and Floor were real professionals when they arrived (the documentary "the making of Endless forms most beautiful" shows this). Especially Floor who had been writing and composing for more than a decade on top level, she participated on a whole new level, compared to former singers.
And as you say, Anette is a very good singer, especially to this type of compositions (Tuomas is a genius in knowing exactly how-to) - but on live concerts, she came on short. She is better now - much better.
It's incredible to see how the 3 singers perform the same songs differently - and there are fans to all of the versions. It really shows the evolution and the effects of the lead singer - and how well the rest of the band can adjust to the lead singers personality and style - and vice versa. The fans reaction is another story....
Excellent analysis and reaction - and please don't worry about doing a lot of Nightwish reactions - their songs and styles are so versatile from pure classical music, celtic folk, to heavy metal, that it will never feel alike.
The reason might be in the change of lead singers..
This song has a message that Tuomas felt needed to be said, but he is not going to waste his creative genius on this matter any further. That is why it is radio friendly (hooky).
good point
Fricking Out standing, from one of the best bands out there
Excellent reaction sir, Tuomas our metal Mozart 🤘❤
Good point about Anette being the messenger.. haven't thought about it like that. Since you listened to this before The Poet and The Pendulum, you should probably listen to Master Passion Greed too! th-cam.com/video/hBTRq2Kgt3Q/w-d-xo.html
Anette being the messenger is spot on; remember, "Don't shoot the Messenger"! Outside of context, this is a good song.
Indeed! I always thought Master Passion Greed would be perfect to listen to before PATP just to really let it sink in how upset Tuomas was but usually people do it after.
Anette gets a lot of unwarranted hate.
She is obviously no Floor or Tarja and she doesn't have the depth of colour but she is good outside the context of Nightwish.
She does some NW songs really well too and those 2 albums she did were two of the most popular - that has to say something.
TPATP is my No 1 Nightwish song so glad you're coming to it. (No 2 is Song of Myself and No 3 is 7 Days to the Wolves)
When you've done TPATP you may want to listen to the demo version which is all Marco vocals sounding quite like he does here in places.
But the demo is angrier, lyrically and in delivery so worth a listen.
Emppu is badly underrated. I'm my opinion he is a true Master, almost a GOAT.
i concur. there's a live version of TPATP with Annette and Jukka still in the band. i watched it because i wanted to hear it with Jukka. it's an emotionally heavy song. the one everyone wants is the Wembley version with Floor and Kai, of course. no one will ever call Annette a bad singer. Tuomas doesn't hire bad musicians. she was simply radically different from Tarja, and, not as Floor as Floor is, if that makes sense.
Hate is too strong word used too often... a lot of people are just disappointed with the quality of singing Anette can offer. Just my take on the matter...
@ssc00p Yes I agree, but I couldn't think of the exact word I wanted. More than dislike...
Scaretale is a good example of a song Annette shined on, at least imo.
A world without songs like Storytime, Scaretale and Song of Myself is a world much less fun, and those songs most likely wouldntve been created if it werent for Anette being in Nightwish.
SHUDDER BEFORE THE BEAUTIFUL LIVE AT WEMBLEY ARENA U MUST WATCH THIS SONG ITS SO OVERLOOKED!!!!
Loving your Nightwish reactions and insights... here a 20 year NW fan appreciating your comments... greetings from Buenos Aires, Argentina. 🤘🏻🖤
Steve Harris of Iron Maiden said of the album Dark Passion Play by Nightwish " I think it’s one of the best-sounding albums I’ve ever heard in my life " .
Once again you deliver a awsome reaction!
LMAO! when you mentioned Van Hagar, I immediately thought of Crystal Pepsi! You also mention ABBA... I do believe Annette came to Nightwish from an ABBA cover band.
I aprreciate that you caught the fact that this song is a radio composition. Tuomas wanted to be as largely broadcasted as possible probably.
I need to tell you that, Toumas said in a in interview, that the easisest thing to do, is to create a composition of lenghtier duration, and the hardest thing is to write a song which is 3-4 minutes long. For example Ghost love score is about 10 minutes. Poet And the pendulum is about 15 minutes, and The Greatest Show on Earth is about 23 minutes !!! Those are the most viewed songs by reactors - but i must emphasis that there are others as well. For example Creek Mary's Blood - A native americans story which is (as far as i know) the only song used in a movie as a soundtrack which is about 8 minutes, Song Of Myself about 13 minutes (but in concerts are played about 6 minutes) ANNDD what i consider to be the best example - Imaginaerium (not the album, but the song) - a track which is an instrumental track which has about 6 minutes but is a FUSION of all the songs in the album - a remix if you would like.... but with this track you can clearly see how Tuomas creates an album. It's all about inspiration to create a song. Then from that song he can create a whole album and more. ALSO The album Human Nature (the last one realeased) there is a second cd which is a full staggering 30 minutes of Tuomas GENIUS in 8 songs which are all about the planet Earth in a symphony way (not symphonic metal).I really really really would like you to react to Creek's Mary's Blood Live from End of an Era 2004 with Tarja because it's a song that is so underrated - besides that, i really like,love and enjoy what you are doing. ... For the hope that would see Creek Mary's Blood on your channel i am subscribing right now.
This channel is like Nightwish in NA: underrated.
This song is actually my second favourite Nightwish song. It’s just such a good, catchy song. I love the Marco chorus. And from a fantastic album
PetP is coming, I am sooooo happy!
I really love this whole "Dark Passion Play" with Annette. She has a different sound, and it's okay! Personally, I don't understand why "Bye Bye Beautiful" never got any play time in the US. I know I would have listened to Nightwish.
I love Dark Passion Play. One of my favorite Nightwish albums.
It did get some play in the US, along with Amaranth (my personal favorite) both versions, studio with Annette and live at Wacken with Floor however you're right for some reason mainstream radio never really caught on to their music whether it was lack of promotion or they just didn't think it would be well received by listeners who hadn't been exposed to progressive music at the time, either way BIG MISTAKE! I grew up on ACDC, Zeppelin, Van Halen but NIGHTWISH has been my favorite band for years, don't underestimate what listeners will like, lesson to radio people everywhere you've cheated people out of hearing the best music out there!
"it's not the tree that forsakes the flower... but the flower that forsakes the tree..." Brilliant lyrics!
I don't mind but rather appreciate all 3 singers, something more evident in the NW fans of the latter days. Haters and toxic fans really gets on my nerves, since I just wanna love the band and all their music!
Great reaction dude!
Best wishes from Namibia
Hey Eric! I really have enjoyed all your reaction videos. The way you break things down and can pin point these individual sounds and explain where they come from is very insightful. One of the few reaction channels that I have watched where I actually feel like its entertaining and I am learning something and its worth watching to the end!
I am not part of the nightwish army but I fell into that rabbit hole many many years ago but only recently started looking through other nuclear blast records. So many good metal bands seem to end up there. My recommendation, as I would love to hear your thoughts, would be to check out Blind and Frozen by Beast in Black. I heard you mention in another video that others had said you had to hear Yannis Papadopoulos and this would be a great one to check out!
Props again for the great videos. I am sure your channel will continue to grow quickly!
I concur! Yannis is phenomenal and Beast in Black is nothing short of amazing. I like to describe them as the lost love child of Abba and Judas Priest. Please do definitely check them out.
Love the Anette era of Nightwish ❤️ many masterpiece came to this second period of the band. Tx to react to Anette! 👌🤟
I love Floor, I love Traja (Nigthwish or solo) as I love Anette (again both on Nigthwish and solo), they are diferent as vocalists but all made part of the history of the band... The world has bigger problems than Nigthwish fans busting each others balls all over the internet about who is the best nigthwish vocalist! They are all from where I stand! Music should be fun... And I HAVE FUN listening to Nigthwish Whom ever sings the song!
All the love from Portugal!
its floor , not floo
@@fredverkerk838 my bad did correct it... Thanks! That was an unforgivable mistake! 😁
@@fernandorodrigues1939 no problem its oke
Didn't expect Bye Bye Beautiful, great to hear your perspective on such more radio friendly Nightwish song! As an OG Nightwish fan I never felt any animosity towards Anette I was just sad that Nightwish lost that magic and uniqueness they had with operatic voice of Tarja. And Anette absolutely couldn't perform songs that were written in Tarja era. But, as you said, if you take her out of Nightwish, she is great singer, just not what epicness of Nightwish requires. After 2 albums with Anette, Tuomas finally realized it's time to end this experiment and bring Floor in, which took Nightwish on whole new level. Can't wait to hear what you gonna say about Phantom of the Opera live from End of an Era (Tarja's last concert with Nightwish, without her knowing it is last while they knew, which creates interesting dynamic in their relationship on stage, and it's legendary concert). I hope you pick that one as an introduction to Tarja, I mean you have to, there's no other way :) She and Marco absolutely destroy, insane!
Also The Siren or Wishmaster from the same concert, just to know why most of fans thought they were so unique. Truly they were.
Nightwish is a staple favorite in my playlist. Another great band to check out is 'Beast In Black'. I recommend starting with "Blind And Frozen".
I concur
I concur. Beast In Black plays as Nightwish support this year.
Forgot to mention Beast In Black is perfect locker room music. It's fun and powerful. Their music videos are cheesy, fun and inspired by the 80s...
I'm glad they didn't stay digging in that tacklebox.
Radiohits are needed sometimes and Anette did a couple of thoose. Or should I say that Tuomas made a couple for her?? And therefore made their singer perform in the segment she could shine in.
Thank you for staying with the sizeratios (you vs screen)
Much Love 💙💛💙
"This is close to being the perfect rock radio song". Wait 'til you hear Nemo... 😏
It's strange you mention ABBA because, as I understand, Anette was an ABBA cover band singer before she was chosen for Nightwish. Or did you already know that?
Anette's 2 albums with Nightwish are my favourites but I think that has more to do with Tuomas' song writing and the state of mind he was in when they were created.
Floor remains my all-time favourite singer and performer and one of my most favourite people on the planet. Floor and Tuomas, what a combo!
That's what I think too! Great albums but it's becouse of Tuomas. Floor is my favorite but I like many Anette's song too 👍
If you would like to hear a Nightwish song performed by all 3 singers go for "Sleeping Sun". There are some good live versions for each on the youtube.
Also Planet Hell and Nemo 👍 I think they all did those great 😊
Can't wait for your reaction to The Poet and the Pendulum.
Great show like always :-) I like the new screen Layout much more than the old one by the way. And Nightwish ... well, what could be better for starting the Evening 😁
Please react to Ignea - Alga if you want to show any solidarity for the Ukrane. The song was written a few years ago however the lyrics are surprisingly relevant today.
It looks like we are building towards Poet, my suggestion is once you have done poet and you have an understanding of what the break up with Tarja was like (think back to "High Hopes" as that was the night it all came to a head.) Look at something like "My Walden" or "Alpenglow", "Shudder before the Beautiful" before going on to GSOE, it'll give you an idea of where Toumas is now mentally, emotionally and as importantly creatively.
I concur
Or he could even take a little detour and try Auri... "Night 13" or "The Space Between" probably being the two most obvious picks 🥰
This track was my wery first Nightwish...
The Interloper in Nightwish’s History is Tarja’s Husband, Tuomas wrote for Tarja this Changed the Core of Nightwish. Tuomas was Very close to Tarja before Nightwish, Long Friendship Growing Up. Tarja Changed after Marriage, the influence from Her Husband Created a Power Struggle in the band. Tarja Sided with her husband, this was tearing the band apart. Tuomas said Tarja could not be replaced (Talent was too good to him), So he was not going try. Unfortunately a lot of the fans did not respond well to the change, it was said that he was in pain when writing anything that was like what he had written for Tarja. Anette was not Tarja, relief maybe for tuomas in his writing , but the “Change” created a turbulence in the Nightwish World (Anger and Sadness).
Annette is a great singer! It’s hard to come into a band and replace the original singer, and it did, absolutely cause a rift between the fans. But that being said, it seems that rift was closed by Floor. Floor seems to have healed the band and healed the fans. The Nightwish army is whole again. I will agree that 2006-2007 was an extremely emotional time for Nightwish as well as was 2012 when Annette left the band and Floor had to fly from Europe to Denver (I think) and finish the tour having only the flight plus 3 days to learn the set list and practice with the band, singing with Marco for the first time. And she killed it!
Here Delain ft. Floor and Marko already in 2009, sorry bad quality: th-cam.com/video/hHtJsiLAkM4/w-d-xo.html. And there is also a single version of Face Your Demons by Floor's After Forever ft. Marko from 2006.
For me, the best two albums of NW are from Anette era... Imaginaerum album is above everything they had done before or after it, there is something in that album, that touches my very being.. Still I believe Floor is the best for the band and lot of Anette songs are great with Floor :)
I feel bad for Anette. She's asked to replace the Nightwish MATRIACH, and does a good job, only to become the female Wally Pipp for Floor seven years later.
Hello!
It's a gift to see a knowledgeable person reacting to this band, and another type of gift to see someone go down the Nightwish rabbit hole in an emotional way. So thank you for both those facets of your journey!
Just slipped into the comments for this little bit of info: th-cam.com/video/z5KNhcMxrCw/w-d-xo.html (right pronunciation of Tarja's name)
Feel free to delete the comment once you see it. Have a great day and stay in good health, hope to see a new video from you really soon!
like always a damn fine reaction!
some fun thing abou this video since I do not see anyone else mentioning it
this video is all girls cuz when Tuomas chose Annette to replace Tarja, many fans were saying they cose her cuz she is pretty! so in this video they chose to be all girls to make fun of that accusation!!!
and this video is the most watched video of nightwish and also the label channel on youtube!!!
If you want more Annette, please make sure to listen to 'Amaranth', a.k.a. their other video with more than 100M views. It's a bit less of a 'message song', but an **absolute banger** nonetheless. Plus, it's the one song that simply belongs to Annette, in the sense that not even the glorious Floor has been able to make it her own. Once you hear the chorus, you'll understand.
If you want to continue the Anette and "pop rock" songs, I recommend official video of "Amaranth", Anette is great and it is most definitely a radio friendly song.
You know what would be very interesting? (Although it might make for a way too long video)
Planet Hell! It was originally recorded with Tarja but in NW’s channel there are great versions with both Anette and Floor (Anette’s was recorded in a studio and Floor’s live), so you can really compare their differences in style.
This was the perfect reaction with the perfect Anette song n the perfect version ...It's a song that only Anette has done ,Floor is friends with Tarja pronounced TAR-E-YA all the members of this band has a "Y" sound instead of the "J" sound Jensen ,the 2 Jukka's n Tarja
why this is perfect version being the official video is Nightwish making fun of critics saying they got Anette as a sex appeal reason.
As usual, great reaction. Very insightful comments on Anette's position as messenger. Someone else already mentioned my favorite of her tracks, so I'll go concur with it instead of leaving it here.
Who knows how accurate this is, as it's likely a fuzzy memory combined with potentially wildly inaccurate information in the first place, but from what I recall when this whole ordeal went down, the internet fans were convinced choosing Anette was "selling out", "going commercial", "a "vain choice" etc, and the Nightwish sound would change entirely with that. Tuomas responded by writing this very "radio-friendly"-ish song, threw beautiful female counterparts to the entire band into the video, and put out a middle finger to Tajra as well as the entire negative not-fanbase in this song. If someone else has more accurate information, I'd love to hear it. This is just my recollection of various internet board postings 17 years ago.
They should have titled this song “Dear Tarja”.
Gotta love Tuomases way to say something when some things must be said. Would love to know how Anette felt about that part "we'll be waiting" 🤔
I’m not gonna hate on Annette. She’s got a great voice and I won’t judge her against other singers period! Love the song it’s punchy and everyone does a great job on it. Waiting on Poet reaction with great anticipation 😬🤘. Great reaction Eric keep it up and Be Good.
I love nightwish but I have a soft spot for Anette because she was Era of nightwish that I first heard Dark passion play was my first nightwish album then was a live concert release of that tour. Anette sounded great. My first time seeing Nightwish live was the Imaginarium tour but was a 1 off in Universal amphitheater that I got to see with anette. They did a metal cruise and then back to Europe. Was later that fall they did an entire north American tour for Imaginarium. I seen that as well in CA however that's the tour Anette was a few months pregnant and was let go from the band a few stops before the night I had tix for. Floor was flown in to fill in for vocals the rest of the tour. I was upfront that night. Floor was amazing. Actually she was better than she has been on the last 2 tours. My opinion. Anyway was an exciting time I got to meet Floor and the band and hang out. I have photos with all and Floor was drinking a bud light after the show .I also met Marco earlier that day when they were loading in. Super cool dude.
Thanks
Bummer... Not LIVE at Wembley Arena? How disappointing. Maybe next time.
I jumped down the 'rabbit hole' only recently during the Floor era, but I've done my homework and studied their history, too. Sure, we all develop our own preferences, but the simple fact is that Anette's voice is out front on two incredibly good studio albums; Dark Passion Play and Imaginaerum. She may not have the power/range of either Tarja or Floor, but her voice worked well on those two albums and it was obviously the sound that Tuomas could craft hit singles around; Bye Bye Beautiful, Amaranth, and Storytime, for example. So, while I think Floor is on a level all by herself, my take is all three added solid contributions. Thanks for another great reaction, Eric!
poet and the pendulum from wembley 2015 may be the best performance .
2015, official live from Wembley
Tuomas writes other things besides (heavy) metal. Have a listen to the band "Auri", where he, his wife Johanna Kurkela and Troy Donockley work on prog folk. And also Tuomas's solo project "Music Inspired By The Life And Times Of Scrooge" with the song "A Lifetime of Adventure" : th-cam.com/video/JWwSVOo5K_k/w-d-xo.html
Before The Poet and Pendulum : Master Passion Greed ( lyric version ) which is a "love song" to Marcelo Cabuli ( Tarja's husband)
Anette was, well is, a brilliant vocalist on her own, no doubt about that. She's just not what a Nightwish vocalist needs to be, she was the Nightwish vocalist the Band members needed her to be at the time but on the long run not the vocalist Nightwish needs.
Annette was a ferry for Nightwish to cross over the bitterness and transform into something otherwordly we see it become. It wouldn't be fair for the vocalist to carry that hate on her words for the rest of the bands life, when she had no role in the original trauma.
Floor 🌸 was the new blossom of Nightwish, and her shoulders carry no weight of the past.
This is my 3rd video of Nightwish without Floor. I discovered Nightwish with Floor 2.5 years ago, and have not been really interested in the other 2 female singers. I have only watched 3 Nightwish videos without Floor, the Phantom of the Opera with Tarja, Storytime music video with Anette, and now this one. Phantom of the Opera because I have loved that musical since it came out in the mid 80's, Storytime with Anette, because Storytime at Wacken 2013 or any concert Floor sings it, is my favorite song. Lastly, I only watched this video today is because you were reacting to it. I liked it and understand a lot of what you said. When you get time, check out Floor's While Love Died (Official Video). That will rock your socks off also, at least it did mine. Another side of Floor.
BTW (Yes, I will comment many times in a row, engagement to you, I guess? anyway...) after "islander (live)" video have you listen to CD version (MV one?). It is made beautifully, Anette's vocals meet with Marco's perfectly and they have Troy there too (he is playing an instrument and has no beard, at the time he has a guest and featured artist on the song before he was a permanent member of this band)
There is a lot of live and let die in Master Passion Greed, which is also about the Tarja era. You should do that one too, it's HEAVY (no live version)
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If and in fact we Finns don't appreciate too much our eastern neighbours, so it was an odd choice(not in a bad way) when A. Olzon came on vocals to this magical band... Anyways "Nüric"
Neat reaction män, as always.
Greets from Finland 🇫🇮 🥶
Must must listen to Master Passion Greed - no live, no video, but you do not need it to fully experience the message. Marko is on fire & it is a heavy metal song. Angry Tuomas is just as awesome as happy Tuomas, artistically.
Dark Passion play is the album where I discovered Nightwish so I will always have a fondness for Anette. On my Nightwish journey I have easily arrived at the conclusion that all 3 singers, all band members, have contributed to the Nightwish legend. No need to rank order or choose. Just enjoy the music.
Great reaction to this song Eric, it's been a while since I listened to this one. Gotta give it to Annette, she nailed those two studio albums, allthough live performing is not a given for every singer/songster out there...
Glad you did your research on the whole Tarja debacle, this way 'The Poet and the Pendulum' will hit you twice as hard, as you get a front row ticket to Tuomas' mind dealing with the aftermath of firing her. Tears me up every time I enjoy it...(🤔, right?😄)
Be sure to react to the Wembley stadium version with subtitles, it adds so much more to it...
Have a great weekend bud, see you soon and greetz from the Netherlands 🤘🤘🤘
I appreciate your refusal to weigh the pros and cons of their different singers. For me Floor is 1 if 1 but Nightwish is not what and who they are without the contributions of both Tarja and Anette. Anette is great and never claimed to be a metal singer. Tuomas wrote songs that she could deliver in a studio and she did that very well. There is a reason that their albums with her were so commercially successful. The album versions of Amaranth, Storytime and this track are awesome.
And for some other songs that are Radio ready - i suggest Where Were You Last Night a remake after Ankie Bagger's song from 1989, and Nemo live with Tarja, and I Wish i Had An Angel
Another great and unique reaction. The Live and Let Die reference is spot on and one I never caught before. Others have mentioned the Nightwish Trifecta of the Tarja break up and also Tarja's musical response. Enough by Tarja is really good and worth a reaction. Anette was usually better in the studio versus live. Just compare Amaranthe music video vs her live at the Lowlands for a song written for her. I have heard other vocal coaches say she has a vocal timbre that is easy to capture and lends itself to post production which may be part of the reason her studio stuff sounds so good. I also love her stuff with Dark Element (Songs teh Night Sings). As her voice has matured it has added more depth and warmth to her sound. Best live Annette is Slow Love Slow from Montreaux. Also love Meadows of Heaven live as well. They chose the models for the video because critics accused Nightwish of picking Anette just for her looks. Lots of people like Phantom of the Opera for the Tarja era but that song is really about Marko. I think Nemo and Sleeping Sun do a better job of show casing her beautiful voice. I especially love Kuolema Tekee Taiteilijan, one of the few Nightwish songs in Finnish.
"Perfect radio song" - and yet no airplay in US
And the last of the three Songs. The Poet..,this, and now Master Passion Greed( no live Versions) Its Nightwish "love letter", to a special Person.🤘
No matter the singer, in my eyes Thoumas cant miss. Even his project Auri and life and times of Scrooge mc duck. He is just a genius.
Times of Scrooge MacDuck is pure gold
Ok, you said Marco is on everything and in "human nature" album all 3 vocalist get to sing: Floor, Marco and Troy. it is great album and CD1 is vocal one, so I hope you do reaction to all songs one by one
Anette sings Nightwish ballads in my opinion best of the singers. Check out for instance Eva, so beautiful. Another song that will blow your mind is Scaretale with Anette and Marko.
They haven't played this song since Anette left. Floor doesn't want to sing it because she and Tarja are friends.
The song I like Anette on the most is Amaranth. If you want to hear that, the official video is the best option for her. Floor performed it at Wacken
To he fair they stopped doing it live 2008...so its not all about Floor....
Not a reaction request just more of a during your spare time to see this done live, try Bye Bye Beautiful live from Sydney Mosh cam video, it's done really well and I love it because Jukka is on fire beating the hell out of his kit during that performance, and please don't forget about Wacken 2013, you've only scratched the surface of that show, there's not a bad song in the entire set and you haven't gotten to the real bangers yet ,Song of myself, Amaranth, Storytime, She is my sin, and a personal favorite of mine I want my tears back and one of their Signature songs Nemo, I'm sure these have all been suggested already but I'm really anxious to see your feelings on those and also since you appreciate Marco check out Kiss while your lips are still red from Wembley another one with a powerful message about appreciating what you have while you have it and it's probably one you'll hear once and not be able to listen to it again for a while but it's a beautiful song, I always enjoy seeing people explore NIGHTWISH and how many directions they can take you , classic rock sound to folky to progressive to straight up metal, explore and have fun!
One of my favorite Marko vocals right here. Such a heavy hitter! Just gotta say Anette era, honestly might be my favorite albums.
They did "bye bye beautiful" and Tarja did "I walk alone" songs after break up, I guess music (art in general) is a way to express the feelings and let them go?..
yeah once again right on the money, all three Nightwish singers are exceptionally talented and as too "by, by beautiful" is the prologue to "Poet and the pendulum" the great epilogue to the "Poet" is "Master passion greed", language a little harsh but mood of the moment I guess.
Nightwish Amaranth Original video, Nuff Said. Live Annete Olzon ? Montreux Festival France.Emppu on Guitar is like Floor with her Voice.
Excellent reaction. I think you caught my thoughts and feelings exactly . Anette has a great voice for a particular style of song. I happen to like this version of bye bye beautiful better than the other versions I have heard , even live versions by other singers. So to hear Anette at her best I think you made a great choice. Another good choice to hear Anette at her best is the music video version of Amaranth. You caught onto the brilliance of Tuomas's ability to adjust the tone of the song according to the ability and sound of the lead singer. He seems to try to give everyone in the band a chance to show off their skills and make them sound at their best. That being said Tuomas must be in heaven being able to write for a singer who is so versatile , talented and agreeable .
Thanks Eric! Especially for taking the politics out of a great rock track!
I'm fairly new to Nightwish and while I recognize the vocal range, flexibility and dynamism of Floor, and she is superior in every way, I don't hold that out as a reason for excluding the previous vocalists.
There are some tracks from each version/iteration of the band that have great appeal.
For example, I prefer Tarja's version of Sleeping Sun, and I really hope you get to react to that.
And I have a particularly soft place for Troy and their instrumental track, LAST OF THE WILDS.
This band just has so much to offer, dating back to their 1st album, to take an elitest position on which singer is better is to turn a deaf ear and blind eye to years of exceptional songwriting and composition.
And the 'rift' is an excuse for friction or to place one's self in a superior status.
They're all equal. Timing is everything.
And the most impactful music is specific to everyone and to no one.
Each person experiences music/art with their exquisitely unique filters and amplifiers.
No two the same. In my observation of consumers of art, the individual determines the value, but only for themselves.
They can NOT impose their perception on another. Just can't.
So, while every fan can make a value judgement about the quality or subjective appeal, that judgement is singular, for an audience of one.
The listener.
When I was much younger, I was often the victim of peer pressure. Especially in my listening choices and I was encouraged to like some things or dislike others based on the group I was with.
For a period of time, I listened to bands Like BREAD or CSNY.
At other times it was KISS or NAZARETH. But Not the BeeGees or ABBA for God's sake.
I didn't find out for 20 years how good their music is.
I still prefer Rock and Metal, but once in a while, I'll put on DIARY by Bread, or YOU SHOULD BE DANCING by the BeeGees. Their music still holds up 40 years later.
Great commentary as usual. It was a good pick. This is one of 3 songs related to the Tarja split. This one pointed at Tarja herself and what lead to the division. Another, Master Passion Greed is pointed at Tarja’s husband, pretty much blaming him. It is sung by Marco. It has no video and was never once performed live. Probably their hardest/heaviest metal song. Give it a listen sometime. The third being the great Poet and the Pendulum, with Tuomas’ inner feelings of the aftermath. Anette did get an unfair shake, both when she entered and when she left. Do stick with studio stuff of hers. Looking forward to all your Nightwish reactions.