Analyzing The Split Piston Engine in 3D. 🤯 Dual Cycle D // 2 and 4 Strokes Combined // 3D Animation

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  • In this video we see how the dual cycle engine works, or D cycle, which has already been tested in a Ford Fiesta and in a US military truck.
    This engine combines the advantages of a 2 and 4 stroke engine, making it very powerful and economical. Let's see what are its advantages and disadvantages!
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    #car #cars #dual #cycle #3danimation #3d #animation
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  • @samsungtvset3398
    @samsungtvset3398 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +444

    Normally a piston completes an up-down movement in 360 degrees. With this setup the top of the piston has an additional up-down movement in approx 60 degrees. So with the engine running at just above idle at 1000rpm this piston top will be moving back and forth as quickly as if it were 6000rpm on a conventional engine. It won't be able to rev up without *enormous* forces and consequent breakages to contend with.

    • @killer2600
      @killer2600 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +50

      Typical redline limits are often due to valve float and we have conventional engines that have a redline of 12,000 rpm. So the lighter/reduced mass piston that isn't under load - no power stroke - theoretically should be fine.

    • @ostrichnews5011
      @ostrichnews5011 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      i agree that the redline would be lower- the crown would have to accelerate so fast even if it it pretty light it would still produce enormous forces. you may call these secondary primary forces, which means more balancing and forces.

    • @LM_Cams
      @LM_Cams 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

      @@killer2600 the problem isn't the mass, is the mean velocity of the Piston. Above 25m/s of mean velocity the oil film just won't be able to form until the Piston rings pass again on the cylinder walls. In a conventional 4 stroke, that'd be 9400rpm with 80mm of stroke. That's insane already. But as already stated, if you put the crown Piston on a smaller windownof time, its speed will but a lot higher. Without considering the forces like you sad, even if it's very light.
      And yes, there are modified engines with higher mean piston speed, but the wear is guaranteed and won't have a long life span.

    • @alistairsmith4297
      @alistairsmith4297 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      This honestly looks pretty viable for low revving engines. I can recall one old model diesel that has an idle RPM of around 500, it could work a treat in an engine like that.

    • @chrisbetz3644
      @chrisbetz3644 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@LM_Camssounds like a wet dream for Ford engineers

  • @Drewbyy
    @Drewbyy 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +225

    Feel like that cam pushing the piston back up will have some massive wear with such a big leverage and pushing the piston up so quick.

    • @24681359David
      @24681359David 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      The ball bearing should help with that.

    • @paulhollier6382
      @paulhollier6382 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      It could still have useful applications, where high speed is not a requirement; like water pumps, or other engines that spend most of their time doing "slow-but-steady" jobs over a long period of time. You point is valid, though, and will have to be considered going forward, if this engine is to replace a normal piston engine in vehicles used for personal or general freight transportation (i.e. cars & 18 wheel highway trucks.)

    • @Eduardo_Espinoza
      @Eduardo_Espinoza 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @paulhollier6382
      Yeah, maybe like a single piston range extender

    • @MrTimeMaster2
      @MrTimeMaster2 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@24681359Davidjust adds a failure point and a shit one to fix.

    • @gerrylorimer599
      @gerrylorimer599 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Although the piston moves faster during part of the cycle, during this period the piston is not loaded significantly as it only exhausts the spent gases and pulls in the fresh air. It is only when the main cylinder rod is engaged that the piston is under the heavy load of compression and expansion!
      It may last longer than expected, but keeping revolution speed lower should extend life.

  • @cantdestroyher7245
    @cantdestroyher7245 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +281

    Cool idea but adding so much complexity to an engine is rarely worth it. Simplicity is king

    • @paulhollier6382
      @paulhollier6382 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      This is true of all engineering, and is the end goal - "do more, and with less".
      From the writings of Golden Age of Science Fiction author, Robert A. Heinlein's classic novel, The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress:
      "How does one design an electric motor? Would you attach a bathtub to it, simply because one was available? Would a bouquet of flowers help? A heap of rocks? No, you would use just those elements necessary to its purpose and make it no larger than needed--and you would incorporate safety factors. Function controls design."

    • @revampedharpy09
      @revampedharpy09 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Yeah i was thinking this engine looks like a maintenance and repair nightmare.

    • @apollo7557
      @apollo7557 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Pretty much, plus don’t fix what isn’t broke.

    • @Eduardo_Espinoza
      @Eduardo_Espinoza 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @apollo7557
      It's still nice that they're trying.

    • @NoahSpurrier
      @NoahSpurrier 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Modern engines are more complex. Simplicity is nice, but you don’t get more with less when it comes to engine innovation. VW Beetle engines are nice and simple, but nobody is going to go back to using those engines.

  • @NotSure416
    @NotSure416 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Those bits of metal banging together will be quite spectacular.

  • @xXYannuschXx
    @xXYannuschXx 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +72

    Making a 4 stroke combust twice as often is a good idea, theres a reason 2 strokes and Wankels have such good power to weight and power to displacement ratios.
    But with all of the added parts, the friction and intertia losses would sadly reduce those gains again.

    • @WeighedWilson
      @WeighedWilson 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      This thing bangs twice as often but only gets 20% more power. That doesn't sound efficient to me.

    • @kaikart123
      @kaikart123 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@WeighedWilson tru, frictions is a bitch

    • @DailyLifeSolution
      @DailyLifeSolution 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@WeighedWilson It does not bang twice. It has limits on revolutions. It achieves characteristic of two-stroke engine by different way to a certain extent.

    • @joshmanis9860
      @joshmanis9860 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      just use the second power stroke to power accessories

    • @fabbri4497
      @fabbri4497 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Wankel engines have a calamitous efficiency and specific power !
      Just big displacement in low volume.

  • @VinnyMartello
    @VinnyMartello 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    Excellent video. My gut tells me this wouldn’t last in the long term. You’ve basically built piston slap into the system. With it firing like a 2 stroke it’s going to generate heat like a two stroke. I reckon it will make good power. But I don’t see it lasting 200,000 miles without expensive maintenance inbetween.

  • @Velktron
    @Velktron 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    TBQH the entire video I was thinking that the crown piston wouldn't be very eager to move down on its own, which you addressed in disadvantage #11, including a desmo-like solution. Oh well, it seems that the standard 4-stroke Otto-cycle engine sits really in the Goldilocks zone for what regards complexity and performance/efficiency. With a Wankel or 2-stroke you get simplicity and performance, but not efficiency. With complex post-Otto designs you get better efficiency and power at the cost of complexity. Otto is just about good enough in all three departments.

    • @player1GR
      @player1GR 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      true

    • @davidaugustofc2574
      @davidaugustofc2574 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@lurch789 because 2 strokes aren't as efficient as 4 strokes, so if you really care for mpg, why bother?

    • @Velktron
      @Velktron 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @Lurch Even 2-strokes with separate oilers burn _some_ oil by design. Maybe less than agas-oil mix system, but still more than any 4-stroke. They even managed to release a few Euro 2 compliant scooters, but it's doubtful they could have gone much beyond that. But I wasn't discussing emissions in the first place, only efficiency. But since you brought it up... 2-strokes have higher specific power, but lower thermodynamic efficiency, and that in that sense they also have higher emissions due to higher consumption, even if you manage to avoid burning oil altogether.

  • @adcraziness1501
    @adcraziness1501 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +67

    I see a lot of added complexity and points of failure. It looks great on paper, and for very short term ownership I bet it works great. I bet I won't see too many of them with 300k miles on the odometer.

    • @ItzzzBeamo
      @ItzzzBeamo 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Another Wankel effect. Interesting.

    • @rubberduck4966
      @rubberduck4966 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      fits well to the in-oil-running timing belt of the normal EcoBoost Engines..

    • @PD-yd3fr
      @PD-yd3fr 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Truck engines need to last 1 million between rebuilds

    • @adcraziness1501
      @adcraziness1501 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@PD-yd3fr I need my work van to last 1 million.

  • @tomnekuda3818
    @tomnekuda3818 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +56

    It's hard to call the ball on this one since it needs a lot of development and materials selection/testing. I believe that the mating surface between the two pistons is going to be very difficult to achieve. I'd like to hear one of these guys running and watch hp and torque numbers on a dyno.

    • @JBeamGT3
      @JBeamGT3 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      It’s been achieved 😂, if you refer to the multiple references of the Ford Fiesta that has one of these engines. The real problem is the US government, they don’t want anything that puts the oil industry at risk. And innovative engines do exactly that.

    • @omnipotent87
      @omnipotent87 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      There are going to be major wear problems on the rings. The mean piston speed will be twice that of a conventional engine.

    • @hithereperson8137
      @hithereperson8137 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      ​@JBeamGT3 the government is forcing more and more regulated MPG across all makes and models, but that would cause the oil industry to take a hit, no?

    • @DieselRamcharger
      @DieselRamcharger 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      no, its not. this is stupid and anyone with even the most elementary mind should be able to see that. Dyno...lmao the piston speeds alone will destroy this thing at idle.

    • @VGHCX
      @VGHCX 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@JBeamGT3 What's preventing China and other countries around the world from building these engines if they are as reliable as you imply?

  • @alexnepu1561
    @alexnepu1561 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    The upper piston and crown piston constantly collide with each other so those are gonna need to be changed way more often. Also the upper piston might not compress the intake gases efficiently because it has no skirts so a slight tilt will increase friction and decrease compression
    A better solution in my opinion is to have compressed air (maybe supplied by a auxiliary pump) blow out the exhaust fumes right after the combustion

    • @michaelbuckers
      @michaelbuckers 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      And at that point you don't need the piston to split and move up and down rapidly since compressed charge air does the job of forcing the exhaust out of the cylinder. So you can remove the entire mechanism, and then you get a turbo 2-stroke. Which means this whole system is just a needlessly complicated version of thereof.

  • @Coolgamer400
    @Coolgamer400 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    The fact that we use the design of the 4-stroke as it is for a century now without major modifications speaks for itself.
    Maybe its simply that good.

    • @wawaweewa9159
      @wawaweewa9159 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      For civioian use, but for military this gives more power which is more important than efficiency and parts replacement, or for other cases where the extra power and thus cost to maintain/repair is worth the work it will do for you while keeping things small in size, a CBA would have to be done comparing it to conventional engine that is larger but delivers same power

    • @neilkurzman4907
      @neilkurzman4907 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yes, but the attitude of we can’t improve anything ignores the fact that the four cycle engine has been improved greatly over the past hundred years.

    • @fabbri4497
      @fabbri4497 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Or we follow the herd ...

  • @ThZuao
    @ThZuao 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I see another couple of problems:
    One is the lack of skirt in the crown will increase the wear on the bore. As it ovalizes, piston will go in sideways.
    Second is balancing issues. It already has a secondary shaft than can be used as a counterbalancing shaft, like 3 cylinders engines already have.
    I think a better solution than the spring would be replacing the entire cam concept by a linking mechanism. It is the most efficient and also prevents the piston from going rogue on the mechanism. However, that would have the most parts, not to mention a lot more points to lube. It would also need to be very precisely sinchronized or the linking mechanism would takes the entire force of the combustion stroke. Kinda similar to the Atkinson cycle tbh.

  • @murraymadness4674
    @murraymadness4674 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    A turbocharger provides the same kind of increase in power without all the additional wear surfaces.
    A modern two stroke uses direct injection which avoids the oil burning, and you can avoid it completely with a blower (detroit diesel) or even a turbocharger if you have a way to start it a blower or saved air pressure.

    • @marcob4630
      @marcob4630 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      that's that!

    • @Diger65Line
      @Diger65Line 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      An incredibly complex solution to a fairly simple problem. as you state the modern two stroke designs with electronic fuel injection, closed sump lubrication and and controlled blown induction, produce an engine with fewer moving parts and simpler construction, however it's good to see that the Heath Robinson approach to engineering isn't dead yet. 😂😂

  • @volkswagenation
    @volkswagenation 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I see all the working parts of an ordinary engine and turn a bunch more parts that need to move. More moving parts means friction and inertial resistance. I can see the belt or chain drive and the lobed kicker that pushes the piston top wearing a lot and quickly.
    The idea is to remove as much parts and weight as possible resulting in more faster acceleration, more speed and smooth balanced operation.

  • @2006chame
    @2006chame 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    the ratling, noise and unrealibility of such desing is remarkable

  • @RockSleeper
    @RockSleeper 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Kudos for covering the disadvantages so well

  • @paulorth2251
    @paulorth2251 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    Maybe it was just me but the pro vs con ratio was definitely slanted against, I hope decision-making isn't based solely on 20% increase in HP. Sounds like this needs more tweaking before being practical.

  • @chasebh89
    @chasebh89 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Finally a good and critical video on an experimental engine

  • @mjyan3599
    @mjyan3599 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    ( Notes for D-cycle - following are not obvious, call to discuss:
    1. Most piston skirts need not be windowed.
    2. Ring sections can be made of stronger thin steel just to hold rings and oil to cool.
    3. The same rings stop the oil leaking.
    4. The piston-train can run directly from the crankshaft.
    5. Crown doesn’t run at higher speed and having Atkinson cycle. The full air intake can be provided via an air 2x pump.
    6. Valves don’t run at higher speed, except for fewer cylinder engines.
    7. Piston-train spring is compressed during intake. )

  • @nidaldajani728
    @nidaldajani728 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In essence, this design splits the pistons into two parts:
    One part (crank, camshaft, and piston skirt) that all run at same speed.
    A second part (piston top) runs at twice the speed.
    It is evident from the animation that the piston skirt makes its trip once every crank revolution. But the piston top makes its trip twice during that time.
    So at 1000 rpm the piston skirt moves 1000 times, crank runs at 1000 rpm, and camshafts runs at 1000 (instead of 500 as in conventional engines), while the piston top moves 2000 times.
    The reduction in spinning inertia (mass @ speed) is basically the source of its advantage.
    However, complication & added reciprocating parts are its main enemy.
    An extended test over time is needed to clearly identify pros & cons of this new design, not just building a testing sample and demonstrating that it runs.

  • @sealteamsix1784
    @sealteamsix1784 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    instead of running it off the crank there should be a smaller cylinder and piston (50-100cc) that pushes the exhaust stroke arm thing in sync with the actual piston.
    (no spark plug needed, just put a small channel from one of the normal cylinders to allow some hot gas in when it fires).

    • @theodoremarakas9899
      @theodoremarakas9899 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      What if it was a 4 cylinder engine, two cylinders on 2 cycle and 2 on 4 cycle for balance. If you were to use the same crank

  • @Eugensson
    @Eugensson 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Finally something interesting for heavy duty low revving diesel engines. Interested to see a huge-ass naval engine with this tech.

  • @allensheldon6610
    @allensheldon6610 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It looks like the extra power output is coming from essentially tweaking the engine to put out more power (like street racers do). As noted by others, this drastically reduces the longevity of the engine wear items. Once the design has been balanced for longevity and desired power output, then we can determine the advantage of the split piston.
    The turbocharger is a good way to harness the energy dumped by the exhaust stroke to return it to the intake stroke. It is not clear to me whether this is a better solution for energy conservation than the current EcoBoost system that Ford has for the Fiesta and other engines.
    Ultimately, it's a balance between power output, durability and mass.
    All of that said, I would love to test this in real world conditions, with or without a turbo!😃😃

  • @shaxei7116
    @shaxei7116 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I'd love to know how high they revved those test engines up, and what problems they came across out of so many potential extra problems. The two piston halves clapping eachother, the sheer amount of force being put on that arm and its tiny roller bearing, piston slap from that pancake-flat crown piston, flex in that split con rod, extra balancing issues, etc etc.

  • @ddelv1601
    @ddelv1601 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The cams would move at the same speed more likely 80% the speed of a 4 stroke. The engine would only run at half the rpm of a 4 stroke, and they 80% slower if it's really 20% more efficient.
    With a turbo, you might not even need a physical device to push the floating piston down. The turbo pressure would push the piston down with air pressure.

  • @servantking1519
    @servantking1519 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Also the gas is exerting all it's force on the piston in a fraction of it's stroke length before it is expelled, so the transfer of force to the piston is probably less efficient

  • @shawnmaclean6665
    @shawnmaclean6665 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This is brilliant and I have faith in it , providing few modifications such as; offsetting the crank , hydraulic tensioner for the ( ring piston), xtra oil galleries and better bearing for rod

  • @blacksmith3958
    @blacksmith3958 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What I love is that you assume that the upper part of the piston will come down by itself, which at that point in the 4T cycle is impossible. It's not the atmospheric pressure that's going to make it come down; on the contrary, it's the piston that sucks the fresh gases into the engine, and there are no mechanical parts to make it come down. With a desmodromic operating principle on the cam that allows this to work, it could work, but certainly not in this configuration.

  • @peterolson8350
    @peterolson8350 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    How high will the acceleration of that piston be? Maybe works at low revs, but never at higher revs.

    • @ImWatchinYou
      @ImWatchinYou 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I was going to say this too. It will break down after not too long due to this sharp cam producing such high stress. And the vibration would probably be high as well. Of course it is going to get more horsepower due to half the cycles, but it will surely be offset by the lower RPM and higher fail rate

  • @gabrielhoy6790
    @gabrielhoy6790 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    Could this engine be a good candidate for "free valve" technology? Seems reasonable to me, as this would solve the cam issues completely.

    • @jamesclark4
      @jamesclark4 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Free valve alone increases power by 30 ish %

  • @Eduardo_Espinoza
    @Eduardo_Espinoza 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I see why they made a diesel version, because they rev less. I've been thinking of making a wall that helps move the gasses like this, i wouldn't have imagine f1 speeds. Interesting that it's essentially a valve :).

  • @Dexter-tx5fp
    @Dexter-tx5fp 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My first question is why? We had a 2 stroke engine decades ago already that didn't utilize a total loss oil system. The Detroit Diesel. It needed a supercharger to force air through the cylinder at a fraction of a bar over atmospheric (some used turbos as well in the later years to introduce true forced induction), but was a 2 stroke combustion cycle with 4 stroke valves, crankcase, and combustion chambers. Especially with direct gasoline injection and modern turbos and superchargers, this could very easily be implemented on modern gasoline engines rather than this overly complicated destined to fail design.

  • @stan1027
    @stan1027 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The thing that strikes me about this design is the number of moving parts. Yes, it is far more efficient, but at what cost? I can see maintenance issues galore here.

  • @johnbackfisch2451
    @johnbackfisch2451 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What is going to pull the piston down on the intake stroke? Will there be a spring between the skirt and the piston? Also what are the chances the slap between the skirt and piston will hold up?

  • @no-damn-alias
    @no-damn-alias 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You forgot about direct injection two stroke engines.
    As the two stroke oil is not dilluted with petrol you need way less oil.
    They can run on a 1:400 mixture which in the end uses less oil than a four stroke engine with its oil change intervalls

  • @theboxer3772
    @theboxer3772 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is the problem with engineers: They never stop engineering

  • @MrofficialC
    @MrofficialC 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    You don't need the second cam to lift the crown piston. You could just have the rocker arm on the second cam ride the crankshaft with a second lobe attached to the crankshaft for the rocker arm on the second cam to ride along

    • @tdranger6888
      @tdranger6888 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It would be a big cam. The return spring would be concentric on the cap rod, and a cap needed on the skirt to seat the spring. But the cap lifting lever, a high stress part, would be eliminated.

  • @blairkinsman3477
    @blairkinsman3477 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The cam arm moves the crown piston under exhaust and intake - the easiest of the 4 strokes and so the lightest loading .. really interesting idea .. by changing the timing of the “hop” (the cam timing on the crown piston lifter arm) it would be easy to short stroke the intake (create an Atkinson cycle for better fuel economy) .. hoping development pans out !!

  • @paulhollier6382
    @paulhollier6382 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Looks like the crown piston should be made of a ceramic material, to withstand the high heat problem w/o the need for extra oil to cool it. Ceramics not only withstand heat but also are insulators, preventing as much heat transfer (vs. a metal crown piston) from the combustion chamber to the crankcase.

    • @stuartwilliams1790
      @stuartwilliams1790 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      but could it withstand the "clash" when the two parts of this one piston re-connect

    • @neutronalchemist3241
      @neutronalchemist3241 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It seems to be made for diesels. There the speed problem is greatly reduced, since diesels can't rev high anyway, due to the time required for diesel fuel to burn. Diesel combustion is colder than gasoline one (higher decompression of combustion gasses cools them) so solving the heating problem, direct injection works better for diesels than for gasoline engines, and blow by is less of a problem.

  • @elijah8402
    @elijah8402 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The piston portion with the rings will have some wobble because it's so short, therefore ring and ring groove wear will be accelerated.

  • @randominternetguy
    @randominternetguy 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Unfortunately the real big load on engines isn't their power stroke. It's the acceleration. Has some serious potential in large engines (ships, mining equipment) but anything with any amount of revs will likely have little benefit from this, at the cost of added complexity.
    Also, why not turn the crown piston cam in opposition to the crank shaft (maybe also the valve cams) to counter the centripetal force of the crank, and also maybe allow for tappets on the traction bars/ rockers connected to the crown con rods.

  • @krislinder7460
    @krislinder7460 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Nice video. I wonder about the upper crown stability and the chance of it shifting in the bore.

  • @cummins24421
    @cummins24421 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    A separate crown piston crank instead of a cam would be more reliable. Turbo/supercharger's solve the partial charge air intake issue.

  • @someotherdude
    @someotherdude 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    This may hit a roadblock: the cam/follower arrangement simply can't turn very fast before the return stroke on the piston crown starts reducing. The cam would just eject the piston crown

  • @MiGujack3
    @MiGujack3 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I think the piston clashing so fast would demolish the "upper" piston in no time.

    • @mw2277
      @mw2277 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      you must not think often

  • @GLH8
    @GLH8 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How fast will that upper piston move?

  • @piotrkubiec5549
    @piotrkubiec5549 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    One point: there is enough place to increase the mass (=thermal capacity) of the piston itself, so that point can be easily improved. But still - the main question is if we really need this technology and is it financially reasonable, not only in the development ohase but also in repairing costs.

  • @mudhutproductions
    @mudhutproductions 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This is the first time I am hearing of this technology. Great presentation! I wonder how it would do in large, slow turning applications such as Marine Diesel propulsion systems? I know most of the largest engines are already two stroke. Perhaps it would just be unnecessarily complex for any gains to be had.

    • @Velktron
      @Velktron 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      That's exactly the problem with all of those modified post-Otto cycles, including Atkinson: they don't translate well to smaller displacements,/powers because of the added weight, and where weight is of no concern (like large marine diesels) they likely won't offer any significant efficiency or power gains. They only make sense in s very specific HP/weight/rpm zone occupied by economy/high efficiency passenger vehicles, and only when emissions/fuel economy goals must be met with absolute priority.

  • @heavyweapons5749
    @heavyweapons5749 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Even though this seems highly unrealiable, I would still enjoy very much to see a working engine with this setup.

  • @paxtondidit6391
    @paxtondidit6391 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I really like your 3D animation style, the thumbnails always catch my eye scrolling through TH-cam. Do you model everything yourself? What kind of software do you use to animate and render everything?

  • @jamescaldwell5
    @jamescaldwell5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I am surprised that there is only a 20% gain in ideal test conditions, considering the real world applications would be subject to the increased potential problems when considering the added complexity.

  • @Shadobanned4life
    @Shadobanned4life 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Fascinating ! I love things like this. Thanks for showing us.🌞

  • @muntenated
    @muntenated หลายเดือนก่อน

    I imagine this added complexity and subsequent additional moving parts will add to wear and tear significantly. Interestingly though, it might be useful in race and drag engines where engines are typically rebuilt after each use.

  • @doogie525
    @doogie525 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Although I do not think this idea will go anywhere, I do applaud the people who divised it. I like seeing outside the box thinking and ways to improve the internal combustion engine. The light bulb did not work on its first attempt either.

  • @roberthuntley1090
    @roberthuntley1090 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Connecting rod peak load is actually at top dead centre - the tension needed to bring the piston to a screeching halt and pull it back down the barrel. Its worse on the exhaust stroke (of a 4 stroke) with little gas pressure above the piston to assist the process.

  • @maxenielsen
    @maxenielsen 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As mentioned in the video and in comments, the accelerations and thus forces required to actuate the auxiliary piston are enormous. There’s probably a better trajectory (displacement vs time) than what’s illustrated in the video. Decades ago Mercedes Benz raced a car with a desmodromic mechanism driven by a circular cam lobe - eliminating jerk and higher order accelerations. But that mechanism had serious overlap which meant the engine could not run well at low rpm. It won races, though.

  • @Madkite
    @Madkite 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Firstly, 2 stokes don't have to use crank case compression. They can use a blower such as a supercharger or turbo. Many do. So that's not true.
    Second, that con rod is very weak. The engine will have very limited RPM as the piston speed to do that rapid movement will be huge. Not to mention the constant slapping back together of the piston and its noise and wear. The force on the other con rod and cam system will become huge as the RPM goes up.
    It's a nice idea but hugely impractical and has many problems and changes to even make work at low power and RPM.

  • @gunnarross6321
    @gunnarross6321 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I don't think this design would work for vehicles, due to the wider RPM band needed. The challenge with the double stroke is getting the crown piston to drop to bottom dead center on intake. In order to achieve higher RPMs, something has to bring the crown piston down hard and fast, and that is going to take a lot of force that is never returned. It would end up working like jake brakes. Additional force is required by the crown piston to expel gas, then additional force is required by the crown piston to draw gas in. Low RPM generators might be an application.

  • @blairbreland1443
    @blairbreland1443 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What about piston slap when the 2 halves meet as it wears?

  • @ARockRaider
    @ARockRaider 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    i feel like some form of super charger would get about the same effect with less vibration.
    funky idea though.

  • @mrgumbook
    @mrgumbook 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This could work well on a stationary diesel that aims for constant rpm like a generator but you'd have to adhere to runtime maintenance intervals or scheduled services, whichever comes first. Big diesel generators can spend a long time un-started so they need to be test started on an interval (back up generators) but they can also do constant runtime in service (locomotive).
    Large boats in the other hand generally can tolerate having at least one generator out of service and ships usually double that (redundancy while one is being serviced by the ship's engineer).

  • @whistlingdiesel
    @whistlingdiesel 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    There are so many six stroke engine types that also try to combine the benefits of 2 and 4 strokes and they need less parts like the Griffin, Färber, Bajulaz, Velozeta, NIYKADO or Crower engine. Can you show the difference? Thanks, love the channel.

  • @ronarmstrong835
    @ronarmstrong835 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The Bourke engine is a two stroke with an oil sump. Does the same thing with a lot less complexity.

  • @vabels54
    @vabels54 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Maybe it is difficult to be realized, because of acceleration concerns and lubrication. But it is a BRILLIANT creation!!!

  • @GBBIII
    @GBBIII 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Excellent analysis of a fascinating concept.

  • @no-damn-alias
    @no-damn-alias 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The short skirt will also be prone for piston slap.
    If there's manufacturer who could make that work in a daily car, it's Toyota.

  • @michael9679
    @michael9679 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Now thats what i call a one stroke engine

  • @sebbes333
    @sebbes333 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I feel like it would be possible to drive the movement of the crown piston by a cam located on the crank-shaft, in that way it should be IMPOSSIBLE (unless mechanical failure) for the 2 pistons to be "de-synced" and crash?
    The geometry in the engine OBVIOUSLY need to be changed, but it should be possible.

  • @jakubstepien7257
    @jakubstepien7257 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As for me, this engine has one big disadvantage, namely it does not use the full volume of the cylinder, but in the case of working in the Atkinson cycle, it can be an advantage. This engine can be modified to use the full volume of the power stroke and part of the volume of the compression stroke, resulting in an Atkinson cycle engine.

  • @tvexpert_xd2388
    @tvexpert_xd2388 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What i dont get is the power nedet to get the upper piston up again: woudnt that use up alot of power and slowing the engine down.
    And woud the power gained by leting the air in compensate the power nedet to get the upper piston up?
    It semms to work but im a bit confused

  • @ignasanchezl
    @ignasanchezl 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This look ridiculous but it's kind of genius.
    The engine will be heavier than a normal 4 stroke, but it has potential to achieve 2 times the power at low RPMs at least. Balancing might also be a nightmare.

  • @daliborzak2485
    @daliborzak2485 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    ChrisFix: *makes piston return springs joke
    D cycle engine: "Am I a joke to you?!"

    • @repairman22
      @repairman22  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      haha I remember that video. At t he beginning I was like 🤔

  • @fabbri4497
    @fabbri4497 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It would be necessary to achieve the same movement with a single connecting rod and a one-piece piston
    with a more complex crankshaft connecting rode assembly.

  • @TheGremlin85
    @TheGremlin85 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Honestly this engine sounds like parts that should be simple and durable being put under an unnecessary amount of force with weaker parts and more points of failure. The chain connecting the crank to the crown piston just sounds like a timing chain thats going to be under more stress and be a bigger issue than its worth

  • @transmission199
    @transmission199 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    perfect application for the scotch yoke

  • @donmathias1705
    @donmathias1705 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The piston would not fall fast enough to follow the cam. Would need either another cam to push it down, a spring that needs power or forced induction. Think desmo type control could work. Would work well at lower rpm. Ideal for something that designed to work at constant speed. Such as generator set for ev car.

  • @paulgilraine3127
    @paulgilraine3127 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This probably would suit a diesel as a diesel will get by on low revs and already has stronger built engines that because it's built for higher compression ,ied love to see this engine built and tried out , surly it's better than electric right now because there no cheeper to run than conventional fuel if you do a lot of miles like I do

  • @dividingrain1907
    @dividingrain1907 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A very intresting engine design. Right now I dont think it would be able to be sold in cars but maybe in the future when its more developed.

  • @chrisf8584
    @chrisf8584 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My concerns would be how do they handle carbon build up on the piston skirt and piston slap.

  • @blueplasma5589
    @blueplasma5589 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What happens with uneven sludge/carbon buildup between the two piston mating surfaces!

  • @legleg752
    @legleg752 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i can only imagine the absolute racket that thing is gonna make while running. the piston crown connecting back to the skirt, the crown arm running over that highly aggressive cam as well as the more aggressive valve cams. that thing is gonna chatter like hell especially when it gets up in the rpm range. valve/cam float is going to be a huge issue for that extra cam and it will likely beat itself to bits i would say

  • @alphastratus6623
    @alphastratus6623 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If you want to extend the combustion cycle something like the five stroke engine would work way better. And these are way easier to manufacture (no new parts, just another combination and arrangement, smaller and lighter motor housing, higher rpm).
    Also I think this system doesn't work without a turbo. Without the additional pressure the cylinder would fill properly with these high speeds at filling.
    So it only make sense at low rpm. But there vibrations get very nasty. A way simpler way would be to use a standard einginge and a 2:1 reduction gear set. Then you also have the shift in the max rpm. and torque increase. This would be way lighter, cheaper, less parts and place, and so on.

  • @Pikestnt
    @Pikestnt 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    At high RPM, the upper piston speed will be very high indeed and without a skirt to guide it, could be problematic. It seems more suited to lower RPM operations eg trucks.

  • @timschjei3917
    @timschjei3917 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Pistons have skirts because they have to have skirts. Race engines have short skirts and are rebuilt constantly, daily drivers have long skirts and run for more than 200k miles. The top part of the piston has to have support with a sleeve or a couple of pins going into the lower part so it acts like a skirt.

  • @rich7787
    @rich7787 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Fascinating!

  • @eatsblades
    @eatsblades 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very interesting. Be cool to more on alternative engines 😊

  • @tomokokuroki2506
    @tomokokuroki2506 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Timing belt: **jumps**
    Engine: **fucking explodes**

  • @tedarcher9120
    @tedarcher9120 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Balancing this engine will be a nightmate

  • @ryanjosephatienza1201
    @ryanjosephatienza1201 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I notice something, without a piston ring in "skirt" it can scratch the cylinder wall and bump in every cycle, so thats why im curious about the actual test
    If they do this, why they don't try to put 2 stage piston ring on the skirt, like the two stroke, an 3 piston ring on the upper part, to make it 5 piston ring, it can avoid the leakage of oil inside the combustion chamber

  • @cypobos
    @cypobos 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    nice... really nice... now let's see if it can take any load or rpm at all.
    best case scenario, this might become a very efficient engine for some specific edge cases like a generator...

  • @mickvonbornemann3824
    @mickvonbornemann3824 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Not all 2 strokes need crankcase scavenging. One just has to use a supercharger for scavenging then no crankcase scavenging is required, together with direct injection one doesn’t even have to worry about 2 stroke exhaust emissions either.

  • @pvc988
    @pvc988 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    7:26 Ahh… yeah. Piston return springs are needed.

    • @RobM184
      @RobM184 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Seems like this engineer went a long way to make that joke a reality

  • @HaroldParks-bd7ng
    @HaroldParks-bd7ng 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I appreciate your analysis.

  • @anscenic7911
    @anscenic7911 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Developer: it is not durable but...
    Cars manufacturers: shut up and take my money

  • @majimazero
    @majimazero 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi, I really love this channel, I have a recommendation. Could you make a video on Porsche's flat 6 engine? Or Subie's boxer engine?

  • @kennethsouthard6042
    @kennethsouthard6042 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What if this could be a combined with solenoid operated valves?

  • @jankirpal1036
    @jankirpal1036 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    disclaimer: APRENTICE MECHANIC RANT
    From what i can see, these engines would not last long
    the crown could also stay up if there are no forces pushing it down due to friction, so there would have to be some kind of spring or return mechanism, could be fixed with an opposite opposing camshaft to force it down
    The arm that moves the crown would have to be in a different design, it would simply bent or break under continious ammount of stress, the camshaft moving said arm, could break in the bearing points or wear out quite fast, we also must take in account that the engine now has to do more work due to a large camshaft, thats a whole automotive class on it self
    Furthermore if these engines would fail, they would be a b!tch to rebuild, and quite possibly, heavy on the price side
    But i must admit its a cool concept, but in practice

  • @fransb8543
    @fransb8543 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wear, noise, heat management and added friction would probably negate any advantage in real life. I mean to say, you can fill up quite a few times for the cost of an engine-out repair job. Not to mention the enormously increase in piston speed put onto a smaller connecting rod. This would probably only be feasible in larger, slow revving engines where added mass to compensate for added stresses is not so relevant. But then, the efficiency benefits would be marginal.
    That being sad, I'm only an enthusiast, not an engineer.

  • @Van-Halen-Jr.
    @Van-Halen-Jr. 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It has its ups and downs but in the end its really just gonna cost MORE money then it would, due to the amount of problems that would ACTUALLY occur then on a regular 4 stroke.

  • @GMT439
    @GMT439 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    An engine that works and an engine that works reliably over a long period are 2 very different things.