Beethoven - Piano Sonata No. 30, Op. 109 (1820) {Original 1835 Fortepiano}

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  • @peterwatchorn411
    @peterwatchorn411 2 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    This comment is from the producer of this recording, and the founder and owner of the classical CD label, Musica Omnia, based in the United States. This recording was made (along with Beethoven's op. 110 & op. 111 sonatas) in April, 2010 in the First Presbyterian Church, Ypsilanti, MI in the USA. The fortepiano is from within a few years of Beethoven's life, built in 1835 in Vienna by the master builder, Conrad Graf. Beethoven's last piano was by Conrad Graf, built around 1824, and quadruple-strung in the treble (rather than the usual triple strung instruments, including the present one). The CD, devoted to the last three sonatas, was released under the title "Magnificent Landscapes", following the title of an unsigned 1824 review of all three sonatas in the prominent Leipzig
    Allgemeine musikalische Zeitung, which compared Beethoven’s music to being led through a “magnificent landscape, through forests, meadows, valleys and rocky gorges, with glimpses presenting the most ravishing vistas” yet “the most captivating moments of calm could be followed by rapidly changing features next to one another…causing one to hesitate along the way.”
    The artist for this CD is the highly distinguished American fortepianist, Penelope Crawford, who has made many recordings for Musica Omnia, including as a member of the Atlantis Ensemble, with the Dutch violinist Jaap Schroeder, many of which are also available on this channel. This particular CD is one of the very finest we have produced, with a level of technical and musical understanding that sheds real light on these familiar and challenging "late" Beethoven works. One of the sounds that you will hear on this fortepiano is the "moderator" pedal, which inserts a strip of felt between the (leather-covered) hammers and the strings, providing an effect that cannot be imitated on the modern piano. It was essential to the composers who knew this kind of instrument, right through to Mendelssohn and Schumann, both of whom owned instruments by Graf: Mendelssohn's own Graf was just a couple of serial numbers away from the one you hear on this recording.
    Another way in which Penelope Crawford's work can be heard on this channel is as the producer for all of the solo Bach harpsichord recordings released by Musica Omnia, which are all being provided here with scores. She is one of America's leading musicians. Peter Watchorn

  • @christopherkeller7734
    @christopherkeller7734 2 ปีที่แล้ว +66

    Yep that's Beethoven's handwriting 😆

    • @DanielFerreira-ep6dq
      @DanielFerreira-ep6dq 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      But it's Beethoven, "i absolve you"

    • @elmiramuradova561
      @elmiramuradova561 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes!👍

    • @elmiramuradova561
      @elmiramuradova561 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes!👍

    • @metteholm4833
      @metteholm4833 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Some graphologists have estimated his IQ to around 160. It wouldn´t be surprising. No artist reach such heights with an average IQ. Schubert was brilliant as well.

    • @orb3796
      @orb3796 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@metteholm4833 Well, IQ tests aren't a good way to measure intelligence

  • @PEDRO_boaro
    @PEDRO_boaro 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    My favorite Beethoven sonata

    • @erichodge567
      @erichodge567 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      What's strange to me is that it's not more popular. It's not like it's unknown, but compared to the Moonlight, or Pathetique, or Waldstein...maybe it just needs a catchy nickname.

    • @PEDRO_boaro
      @PEDRO_boaro 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@erichodge567 unfortunately Beethoven's last 4 sonatas were not famous at that time, because they were considered impossible to play (until Liszt in 1836 tried to play and perform in Paris) and also because Beethoven was already ahead of his time and music critics did not understood the style of his composition (with the exception of the fugue of the sonata no. 31 in the Bach/Händel style), they thought that Beethoven, because of his deafness, was no longer understanding how to compose

    • @PEDRO_boaro
      @PEDRO_boaro 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@erichodge567 the Pathetique sonata was the great mark of the consolidation of the early romantic period, with the piano as the main instrument

    • @erichodge567
      @erichodge567 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@PEDRO_boaro , that makes perfect sense. I actually remember hearing op. 109 for the first time and thinking, "This is nuts." I think I had to hear it three times before I finally "got it". That third time, though, it utterly blew me away. Anyway, thanks.

  • @erichodge567
    @erichodge567 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    This is my favorite piano sonata, and a top 10 favorite piece in all of music. It is absolutely stupendous.

  • @dzinypinydoroviny
    @dzinypinydoroviny 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    My absolutely favourite piece of all of music. Everything I ever wanted from music is there within the less than 20 minutes.

    • @mcmalibu5350
      @mcmalibu5350 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Who is the pianist? This version is superb! Now my favorite version.
      Paul Badura Scoda has another great piano forte version.

    • @bartjebartmans
      @bartjebartmans  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Unfortunately his instrument and recording doesn't come close to this. His playing yes, but the rest, no.

    • @bartjebartmans
      @bartjebartmans  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Daniel Durovsky if you click on the tab "show more" you will see Penelope Crawford

  • @tarikeld11
    @tarikeld11 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    I can't believe someone made a video with Beethoven's own score! It's amazing, I'm so thankful for this! I have to try what beethoven crossed out at 5:57

    • @musictop7630
      @musictop7630 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      There is (how I remember) a video in TH-cam with Beethoven's handwriting of his 9th symphony.

    • @bartjebartmans
      @bartjebartmans  2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Plus my uploads of his 6th Symphony and Moonlight Sonata. All in his hand.

    • @korkorkorkorkor
      @korkorkorkorkor 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      good luck reading that

  • @gervaisfrykman266
    @gervaisfrykman266 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Wonderful piano, pianist and presentation. Thank you.

  • @construct3
    @construct3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This performance is mesmerizing. I had already heard the Opp. 110 and 111 from this collection, and I was already familiar with Op. 109, so I knew that I would be in a different realm for twenty minutes. It is everything I expected. When it was over, I was completely refreshed in mind and spirit.

  • @PieInTheSky9
    @PieInTheSky9 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    This sounds much better on a classic fortepiano imo.

    • @bartjebartmans
      @bartjebartmans  2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Absolutely! And, something I miss reading by TH-cam crowd, is the fact that Mrs. Crawford puts down one of the finest renditions of this Sonata I know of!

    • @chris93703
      @chris93703 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bartjebartmans
      It sounds to me when I listen that one of the high notes, perhaps E, is out of tone. Is this how it would usually sound or does the piano need tuning or is this because the piano is old?

    • @CaradhrasAiguo49
      @CaradhrasAiguo49 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@chris93703 perhaps as the instrument is tuned to A = 430 Hz and not 440 Hz?

    • @johnzielinski9951
      @johnzielinski9951 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Agreed. The clarity is outstanding.

  • @田中義文-w5w
    @田中義文-w5w 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I love 13:42~13:53 sound so much
    I can play only this part!!

  • @cpestrauss8740
    @cpestrauss8740 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The handwriting only looks messy. All of the notes are in the right places and the expression marks are clear. I spend a lot of time working with manuscripts by 19th century Viennese dance composers and, trust me, there are much worse. These composers wrote under time pressure. Repeated passages are inevitably not written out. Dynamic and expression marks are often inconsistent and left to the copyist to sort out. I've seen scores where the composer has not bothered to write the right notes, just the right rhythmic shape in approximately the right place, and assumed the copyist would fix the harmonies. Some composers worked by committee, letting assistants fill in some parts. Others (thank you!) produced scores so neat you could easily play from them.

  • @musictop7630
    @musictop7630 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wow, Beethoven's handwriting!

  • @StreetFighter2010
    @StreetFighter2010 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When one listens to this and reads his sheet music in his writing, you are reaching back in time 220 years. It’s truly fascinating.

    • @JohnKing-fb7gr
      @JohnKing-fb7gr ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yet it's effect is timeless!

  • @chaikagome9725
    @chaikagome9725 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you!

  • @hauscchildt6418
    @hauscchildt6418 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Absolutely beautiful

  • @scottalbers9314
    @scottalbers9314 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you so much for associating the music with the original manuscript!!!!!
    I've never seen this done before. How interesting!!!

  • @abiescanadensis
    @abiescanadensis 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you sooo much for the tremendous work you did!

  • @kurt2296
    @kurt2296 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wonderful.

  • @csababekesi-marton2393
    @csababekesi-marton2393 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Many thanks!

  • @Alex_Gordon
    @Alex_Gordon 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    are these the original notes by Beethoven? fascinating to see

  • @erichodge567
    @erichodge567 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Also...in the final movement theme and variations does anyone else note a similarity to Bach's Goldberg variations, particularly in the theme?

  • @fredericchopin7538
    @fredericchopin7538 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Delightful!

  • @Fraizh
    @Fraizh 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I wonder if everything you see is Beethoven’s handwriting. For example the additions in what seems to be written with a pencil, such as the bar numbers. Does anyone know?

    • @florisheijdra6086
      @florisheijdra6086 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Probably the editor/copyist! Most likely Beethoven would've only written the page numbers (if he did).

  • @田中義文-w5w
    @田中義文-w5w ปีที่แล้ว

    I feel harbinger of Romantic period

  • @tbarrelier
    @tbarrelier 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is a recording of a forte-piano? How come it sounds so much like a modern piano?

  • @Tylervrooman
    @Tylervrooman 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Omg yes

  • @marcosPRATA918
    @marcosPRATA918 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    É uma escuta transportadora, imaginemos a sala de Beethoven, ele ao piano.

  • @oneninetyfourXOcom
    @oneninetyfourXOcom ปีที่แล้ว

    2:16

  • @ClassicalMusic-ds9yt
    @ClassicalMusic-ds9yt 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    01:06

  • @user-os1wj1hi5b
    @user-os1wj1hi5b 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    15:10

  • @alger3041
    @alger3041 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Who is the performing artist?

    • @bartjebartmans
      @bartjebartmans  2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      If you click on the tab "show more" you will see the info: Penelope Crawford

    • @alger3041
      @alger3041 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@bartjebartmans Thank you. I overlooked it in favor of all that other historical material.

  • @kevinchin3848
    @kevinchin3848 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    looking at his writing style, i would thin he is left handed.

  • @RicardoOliveiraRGB
    @RicardoOliveiraRGB 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How can anyone understand what's written there?

    • @bartjebartmans
      @bartjebartmans  2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      With a bit of practice it is actually quite readable.

    • @Tylervrooman
      @Tylervrooman 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@bartjebartmans i found a lot of joy playing from the facsimile Bach Violin sonatas and partitas. Very readable too

    • @juicedelemon
      @juicedelemon 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Tylervrooman bach is different. by a lot.

    • @bartjebartmans
      @bartjebartmans  2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @Justin Case. They are both handwritten. The only difference is style and character. Some composers have incredible neat handwriting like Faure, Schonberg, and some incredibly messy like Beethoven, Chopin etc. but I have never seen a score I couldn't read. Heck, if that was true copyists couldn't either. Compare their handwriting to a score of Xenakis or Pli selon pli by Boulez or any graphic score by 60's avant gardists. Now we are talking!

    • @Tylervrooman
      @Tylervrooman 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@bartjebartmans dude... best content on TH-cam, we thank you!!