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THIS RUBBISH Has BEEN Going on For YEARS! - Stop wasting your money on these bananas 🍌 😂😂🙏✌️
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 พ.ค. 2022
- This Is actually very dangerous products to use avoid them in my opinion.
Fourby4diesel 
As an engineer and a senior member of a 4WD Club I agree with your point.....partially. firstly the elephant in the room, that recovery point installation isnt fit for purpose, and yes the tow point on the vehicle is far superior, if I inspected that car before a club drive I would declare to the owner that its not fit and strongly reccomend they get it properly installed. BUT, not all vehicles have snatch recovery rated tow points, often they are only suitable for flat towing and many do in fact have fairly weak tie down points, and heres the real problem, when a vehicle needs recovering on the track we always instruct the driver to remain in the vehicle, but this creates an issue where those outside the vehicle may not know it well enough to clearly identify the recovery points, so bright colours make it really easy for them, especially if the car is covered with mud, so if the tow point on your vehicle is professionaly assesed as suitable for ALL types of recovery, including snatch recoveries, get a can of spray paint and paint it a bright colour, also, if you have a recovery point fitted get it professionally assesed before you use it, and whilst your about it make sure that the rest of your recovery equipment is properly rated to your car.
Great advice and very well spoken,best wishes to you ,from, Auckland.
But they look so cool lol 😂
From South Africa I disagree with you entirely. Prpoerly attached at the correct point, through through chassis welded mounting supports, at least 2 / attachment points is done correctly.. don't advise people based on incorrectly / badly fitted accessories. Tie downs are tie downs snatch rated attachment points and their correct and proper fixing to the vehicle are an entirely different thing.
As an 4×4 off-roader i refer manufacturer tow points over can't tell you many times they saved my life and I have pulled many people out of a ditch and I must say nothing compares to manufacturer tow points but they could make it more of an easier access point for them especially if you in knee high in mud.
Thank you 👍 I've been arguing about this for years.
I've never heard of anyone breaking, bending or damaging the factory points.
And yes, if people must insist on them , the new Kaon ones for Prado/FJ Cruiser do utilise the existing tow points, as for the rest of the pretty coloured ones, and yes even the expensive 'name' brand ones, absolute waste of money. Well done.
I’ve seen factory recovery points ripped off, also have seen them split and or bend frames. Also seen tow hitches ripped off entirely. Not arguing for incorrectly mounted recovery points either
Friend of a friend broke down in a half ton chevy truck about 4 miles out in the desert, southern AZ. We went out to grab him with my friend's k20, and we pulled him from his front tow hooks with a chain. Went up a big hill, he started to roll back at the exact second my friend started to gun it to make it up and one of those hooks sheared straight off and flew sideways never to be seen again. Kind of an extreme scenario but it'll happen. I'd bet anything this same weakness exists with aftermarket recovery points as well. Ive been towed a bunch of times out of some rough spots from the exact same tow hooks on my own rig, never had an issue. Shock loading is gonna break stuff eventually, you've got to be smart about how you're pulling and be aware that you can't always avoid something breaking.
YEEESSSSSSSSS ! Favourite video ever. Been saying this for years. If you search videos on ACTUAL recovery loads, in REAL recovery situations, you only need a half decent pair of tow points with a bridle. AMPLE, but not red or yellow 🙄 so must be only for tie down.
100% agree! Those factory tow hooks look solid
To save confusion Maybe do a follow up vid showing some other factory tow hooks you wouldn't use. Have seen a few i wouldn't go near also not fused on bolt on
well said..Ive been in forestry as a contractor for decades and every time i see one of these mobile advertising rigs with all their brand name fancy, painted, seen them on telly must haves i just shake my head and smile. The only ones doing well out of all that crap are the guys making anything flash that attracts everyone except the ones who actually do 4x4 work day in and day out.
Well said, that's coming from another forestry contractor.
About time! Someone finally calling it out. Wasting money on these “rated” recovery points. Bloody 4wd clubs say, “you gotta have rated points, a fire extinguisher, a rear recovery point”. Or you’re not coming camping.
You bet ya it’s all bs
After we proved it ourselves on the Hilux those factory points took 4.3 ton in their stride lol
This 4WD scene is the new JDM scene
Those Muppets at Fwd 24/7 have so much to answer for.
Yep, I said it. 😂
Fwd 24/7? As in „front wheel drive 24/7“? Is that a channel about Minivans?
Not Shauno!!! 😂😂
I agree. Stopped watching them ages ago. Just a sponsorship and advertising campaign
Yeah it’s why Roothy stepped away. The marketing BS
@@offroadingfoz also the way they tear up tracks for dramatic effect. It went against his message of responsible 4wding
Glad to hear this. I was going to get them fitted with my bullbar but the budget didn’t allow. A couple of years later I bought a hilux that has been set up to spend its whole life doing it rough and noticed it only had the factory ones, they’d been used a fair bit but were still in shape.
This is why I like watching you vids, I not even own a prado, You always give real good advice, which I have taken on board with maintenance and general 4wd driving. Thanks for putting the time in to make great videos in a time when accessory companies and social influencers try to tell you what you need to buy to go 4wd driving. I was told by a sale person once that you can not recover from something that was welded and needed to buy their product so I ask why can you recover from your tow bar? He seem not to have an answer for that.
Spot on mate. I have gone blue in the face trying to tell people that they are recovery points, not tie down points !
We winched the Hilux n80 with camper trailer full of gear from a mates vehicle weighing about 4.3ton 150m through black soil mud 500mm deep using factory tow points for 2.5 hours and after inspection with my mechanic son on the hoist later on there was no twist, no cracks no problems at all! This guy is absolutely correct! Don’t be brainwashed about these aftermarket expensive rated tow points when your factory ones will do the job no problem at all on a Toyota that is. I can’t go off other brands. They will argue until they go blue in the face but we proved it. Yes that’s 4.3 ton winched on factory mounts…
Agreed on every point. I would respectfully suggest to every owner that if extra strength is required, then weld 4mm/5mm plate to the chassis frame around the tie down/towing eye. Cheers.
Those factory tow points are the only solid things about a Prado. Toyota designed the tow points solid like that because they know Prados would always get stuck offroad. 🤣
But yeah, not all 4wds have good factory tow points like that model Prado, most are fairly light duty and are actually tie down points or for light towing, never for extreme recovery situations like snatching or winching off.
Yep, 100% true. People should just paint the stock ones if they really want to
Wow. And now for what you really think.
I agree mate - this is a great video. Thank you for the honesty 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
100% agree and always have for the factory points but had to have them to do certain trips over the years.
I was very confused when I saw people bolting these up directly next to the factory recovery points. I’m glad I’m not the only person questioning this “mod”
I have a 90 series, came with a single hook for tie down. Not much good for recovery. So I put a pair on. Infinitely better than factory. But regardless of what your vehicle is equipped with, if you don’t understand sling angles and recovery forces, you’re gonna be dangerous. Like this video. Guaranteed he was doing something stupid to bend it outwards like that.
Get used to it, 4wding/off-roading in this country is going gangbusters and won’t slow down, it’ll get worse before it gets better - that’s a big if. Unfortunately businesses that look after the off-roading fraternity don’t get it right either so always double check the work. As for recovery I wouldn’t let anyone snatch me period - unless it was the old man.
Agree with you 100%, use your brain, if you don’t check anything, don’t prepare, are dazzled by bling, don’t have a mechanic you can trust, stay at home, keeps you and all of us safe 🤘🤘great vid
I drove a wrecker for years in the US, and you are absolutely right. I used recommended tow points everyday, and if it's part of the frame, it can be used for towing/recovery.. The bolt on junk is just that, junk....
At last someone speaks the truth, I agree the bolt on extras are just rubbish.
100%agree, and that driver side bolt on recovery isn't even fitted correctly, (plus its bent and looks like it snapped the front bolt) but like you said the people who sell these recovery points know so much better. and the funniest thing is who's brand is the best. when 90%of them are the same just in a different box
Did the bolt snap, or was only the rear one used?
Thank you thank you thank you. I have been 4wding for nearly 40 years and am sick of some of the bs getting around. Common sense isn't as common as it should be.
Pretty eye-opening for sure. I assumed that welding was standard procedure for installing these rated aftermarket recovery points. Only a bolt away from death or serious injury. Looks tuff though 😂
You, Sir, are the real MVP. (By the way my 2004 120 VX says thank for all the great advice)
Wholeheartedly agree, that bolt on point is not designed to be a recovery point.
The other reason points fail is stupidity. If you are doing 30km/h to snatch a vehicle out of a bog you need to reassess your recovery.
Maybe you should paint the factory ones bright yellow and charge the owners $200 for it, then they can brag about how much "tuffer" it is now.
Lol, gold.
👏👏👏 great vid and nice to see someone talking sense and not just repeating what they hear from so called experts. I can see this is a toyota front end and most likely a FJ cruiser or a prado. These front tow points are adequate for recovery in my experience too.
agreed. how many time internet experts say they're not rated recovery points.. simply ask them show me a picture or video of one failing... crickets...
I did the calcs on the toe points and from memory it came to around 4-6t each (static load)
The bolt ons are BS
Your the man Anthony thanks for the realism again.
Thank you! For all your videos, I'm getting a 4x4/family car at the end of the year and I have been doing some research on mods ect, after watching a few of your videos, I'll just keep it stock save my 💰.
Good move, take it out stock first, if you need mods to to what you plan to do, it will become apparent and you can get them later. I have been impressed with my new MUX bone stock, the only upgrade I am considering is decent tyres. Only small percentage of 4x4's get sent beyond their stock limits, even fewer brand new ones. A lot of mods designed for offroad make the vehicle worse on road where they spend most of their time anyway. I reckon how you drive is way more important.
''BRAINWASHED''! Now that explains much of the "have to have" 4x4 modification marketing BS to drive off a bitumen road .
Thank you for a sensible video . I'm subscribed as of now
Would love to you test both points until something breaks --- perhaps one the manufactures would sponsor the test .
Thank you for speaking up . I also have been arguing my point on this for a long time .
Amen, you've got to have a laugh about the two little m10/m12 bolts holding them on though. 😂
At least they didn’t use a tek screw.
Hahahahahahahahaha.
Thank God someone finally said it. Agree agree agree.
Paint the tow point orange. Job done
(or yellow)
hi andrew thank you for this i am a truck driver thay are not tie down points you tie down on the tires
Been working on cars my whole life and I absolutely agree when I tie down a vehicle I simply go up and over the frame it's cheaper lol
Finally! Someone who speaks truth and not bullshit! I grew up in an environment, where my Engineer father taught me the following:. A.). Think for yourself. B.) Research all mechanical things properly Before altering anything. C,). Never listen to what is mostly bullshit advertising! Most people do not realise that qualified Engineers with years of experience design vehicles a certain way....then along comes some idiot with a money making idea, to take your cash be selling you totally worthless good looking rubbish " enhancements". NOT all aftermarket stuff is low quality...but as always research. whatever it is and use your brain while doing so.
Well said.
Yeah, but that solid tow point isn't . It's bog standard black. So it doesn't look good, we can't see it, and we all know 90% of life is about looking good. I gotta kit for half the price and all you gotta do is take the lid off, aim it at the factory tow point, press the button for 5 seconds, have a beer, wash rinse repeat until you forget what you were doing, wake up tomorrow to a cool looking tow point. Optional: Wonder why you chose that stupid colour in the first place. Love this channel!
I wish I’d kept them but I did do set of stress calcs based on the complete tow train i.e. kinetic rated rope, D rings, side pull, straight pull and 5mph snatch. Basically the rope will break before Prado recovery points. I also took into account that the bolts on aftermarket rated recovery points are in shear. All in all, the aftermarket recovery points are a waste of money.
"Projectile" tow mounts...the solid slug of 4WD accessories.
Interesting. In general I agree 😜
You could manufacture a truck specific snatch attachment point if you really wanted to but you would have to do a bit of engineering and testing for every application.
Chassis steel isn’t typically mild steel. You can attach plates to it if you spread the load out correctly - including multiple bolts and a long plate extending much further back. Many truck manufacturers expressly prohibit drilling holes in the chassis however 😜
Also there’s clamping force where the attachment is way stronger if the multiple bolts are correctly tightened to ensure a friction bond between the two plates.
You would probably require gussets on the other side of the chassis steel. Bit of a snag on box section?
When you sit down and consider the effort required to do it correctly you realize just how deficient the orange plate is 😂
I do a lot of towing and recovery's and I fully agree with you when I buy 4x4s if they have one or more of them shit tow recovery they come off and in the bin I've never had any issues with the stock recovery points I've seen what happens with them red and yellow after market crap and people who don't bolt on their bull bar the right way missing bolts wrong Bolts worng bar for the purpose you should do a video about that
Big hello from battle ground Washington state. Nice video. God bless.
been waiting for someone to finally make a video like this. thank you!
Great video mate can you do a where you Jack your Prado video up from using a floor Jack for peoples safety.. speaking of these towing points saw someone Jack their Prado up with them recently! Thought would be a good informative video to make for newbies
Mate the 4wd industry is full of bullshit
Great video
But there will still be people who will argue. I’d rather the factory point break before the chassis.
THANK YOU.
YOU are a LEGEND.
POINT taken.
I LEARNT something today.
THANK YOU sir.
VERY MUCH APPRECIATED.
I love that you're so pissed off about this. I never understood the value of bolt on tow points. They are only as strong as the shear strength of the bolts that hold them at a forward angle
In South Africa we would call this a Kalahari story. A 1cm story told a meter long…. What a waste.
Yesssss.
Spent 8 years in Oman and Abu Dhabi 4x4ing with Prado’s FJ’s and 100/200 series + jeeps.
We were always using these for recovery with ARB straps.
100’s of recoveries on the same vehicle, never saw these bend / break.
Some pretty extreme loads when the vehicle bellied in the sands Never broken one!
Love ya work! It's amazing how many so called expert 4wders have no actual idea.
Finally somebody with some sense. Keeping it real. Thanks
Thats what the medical proffession would call a "strapadicktome".
That thing wouldn't even make for an adequate boat anchor.
Fair point but why does the manufacturer have clear warnings in the operation book saying to not use them for recovery and call them tie down points. Secondly what if people take your advise and recover from these points and damage their vehicles. The insurance company might void the warranty and say your liable.
This is my most favourite video 😂. I have a phat bars bash plate that was bright orange. I painted it black as it was too much orange and looked so crap.
Pretty sure people are getting them to look cool and tough 😎 I agree with you, they are NOT needed and a bad idea.
Best wishes to you, and all your viewers, from, Auckland.
One hell of a rant brother. 10 minutes of telling it like it is.😎👍
When it's all said and done , it is very hard to mount a tow point on a sardine can.
Just try and get the vehicle manufacturers to tell you how strong the factory points are. Very hard to go into a safety incident investigation without being able to say how strong the recovery points was supposed to be.
Agree to most points. Newer cars just have a bad design for them to work.
I know my 80 series needs recovery points and not to use the factory ones which are a loop of steel lightly welded onto a bracket which is then bolted on. Recovery points replace them.
But but how will people know that I’m a real macho off-roader!
Like a lot of that "strap on" rubbish, primarily designed to increase the wealth of the company that makes it and the accessories shop that sells it. But it looks "tough" doesn't it.
Don't we normally meet on the Britannica Restoration channel?
Yep and reduce the ability of a factory vehicle due to the weight they add. Driver training is always better and cheaper
@@harveysmith100 probably, that's one of the TH-cam places I visit every day there's a notification.
Spot on mate about time someone told it how it is
I think a lot of folks don’t understand that the factory recovery point is DELIBERATELY on a part of the car that is sacrificial (the crossmember) compared to the main body of the chassis. Recovery is pointless if it means the chassis will be destroyed in the process. In addition, recovery points, bolted on, massively increase the pressure (called it PSI if you like) on that part of the chassis where the bolts are fixed. So much of what we see is people wanting to adorn their vehicle with bright painted bolt ons.
Depends on the vehicle. Mine only came with 1 pissy little tow point on one side so I had to buy a pair of recovery points to bolt on so that I could use an equaliser strap to spread the load.
Common sense isn’t all that common. Hence why there’s companies selling those bolt-on parts like hot cakes. Good video sir 👍🏻
asking people to use common sense... the last few years have proven how rare that is🤦♂️
I've seen them bend up like that from hit the ground when people smash through bog holes. I never bothered buying them because of it. Same as all those bright red bash plates 🤣
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ffs I'm not a vehicle technician. I'm not a 4x4 expert and I don't even have a popular youtube channel so feel free to ignore my common sense and basic knowledge of physics and steel work. I've been using those "tie down" points on my vehicle for towing couriers back up my steep wet clay driveway they never should have driven down, snatching mates out of wet sand, dry sand and mud. They're only on the front though. On the back I just slip each end of a tree protector over my tow bar (not the tow ball, the steel bar that the hitch comes off that forms the rear bar work) and slide it down to where the mount points attach to the frame. As for ratings, all I know if I distribute the force across two points, I halve the load on each point. Reckon I'd snap my 8 ton snatch strap before I pulled either "tie down point" out of the frame of my 4x4 at the front or pulled the tow bar and rear bar off the frame at the back. Pretty sure if you sprayed the "tie down points" bright yellow, firetruck red or lime green and slapped a sticker on it 99% of the "experts" would shut up.
Yes, but what you guy's fail to realize is, if you go away on a 2 day trip by yourself down to the local river bed and load up your truck with 5 spare wheels, 2 high lift jacks, 4 gas bottles, 2 fully stocked fridges, a selection of 47 different cast iron pots and pans, the twin roof top tents and the dog ! ... That factory "tie down point" is gonna need all the help it can get 👍🤣
Given that and what I see here, that factory one is my best bet!
& that's just the basics
I’d still use the factory points than that rubbish
You should have mentioned to viewers that not all tie down points are welded on like the tow/recovery one in your video.... Quite a few are weak as piss and only bolted on with mild steel 17mm head bolts. It pays to check.
When I visit my inlaws in the U.S.A, I see quite a few 4wds with bullbars that have welded recovery points on them. Most are manufactured and some are owner mods.
This makes more sense than to recover from than from the factory or a/market recovery points because there is a lateral support through the bar and the mount points along the chassis are well placed.
It'd be cool to see an Arb bar with those built in...
My Tacoma only has on factory recovery point on the front, and some clubs specify that it needs two.
I can't join my local 4x4 club unless I have the stupid bananas
Club aint worth crap then
Land Rover always said they are not rated but they are recovery points.
Got an NX Pajero DID. Being a monocoque chassis, they don't make aftermarket recovery point kits for these vehicles. The two towing points under the front of the vehicle is good enough for any recovery. Mitsubishi don't state this in the manual but mitsubishi Australia have stated that these two points are more than adequate for recovering your vehicle even though the book says otherwise.
Excellent piece of work.
You may have confused some with facts an logic but for the rest of us, that was excellent.
I have often puzzled this question over.
We are told by the un-educated that they are tie down points not recovery points. OK, tie down to what and when. "Oh, they are used when they are shipping the vehicles by sea." Oh, OK, so why don't all cars have tie down points then?
Toyota sell their 4x4's to all sorts of countries where lot's of people can't read Japanese or English or in fact, can't read at all.
Toyota know exactly what customers are going to use those loops for.
I think it is blatantly obvious what they are for.
Not sure where the expression "Tie down point." Comes from but I suspect it was invented by people trying to sell aftermarket extra's, or, as you said, it is for legal reasons.
Anyone who calls those tie down points have never transported a vehicle without driving it. You don’t tie a vehicle down from the frame, you tie it down from the suspension or tires to a trailer or whatever your transporting it on.
Love those aftermarket bolt on hooks, they hang down low to catch on trees and rocks for that sudden stop on that outback track. They add weight, waste money, perfect to prove you have no idea.
I like the one bolt holding that tow loop on.
Mumma's don't let ya baby's get snatched out by cowboys!
I bolted mine in place during my front end build and then when everything checked out and fit good with no fouling and easy access to all components around it I cleaned the area and bolted back on and welded all around it.
Never bent never broken even when dropped onto rocks and doing angled pulls.
🤣🤣🤣 so funny and true...
Great video and info mate. I get the same shit all the time 'but it's not rated"
Spot on mate been saying that myself for years
"more dollars than sense"
That would have to be the worst fitted recovery point i have ever seen.
They could only fit it the way it was designed to be fitted 🤷♂️🙏✌️
China
It's fitted the way it was intended, it just proves they are a rubbish design.
Thanks for keeping it real! 👍
Why do you recommend the KOAN recovery points I looked at them on the website after you recommended them for the Prado and have a really thin twist point they looks like it would take less force to twist and snap? and they use the same mounting points/ bolt holes as the other coloured ones?
I’m not recommending anything they are far better than anything else I suggest you take another look maybe when you get the product in your hand you will see if you don’t want them good because I don’t either
I really hope my truck came with offroad rated jerking friendly recovery points. I don't understand why the hell they just don't made permanent offroad ready recovery point. Only military versions of my truck have good bumpers with recovery hooks. i mean... Come on
I think the last 2 years show no one can think critically any more.
Geez, we get it. Chill, Skippy.
Interesting , Thank You.