A teaser for the 'We'r Fur Hame' documentary that follows 21 Scotch-Irish Americans as they trace their roots in Ulster. Please visit: www.forgedinuls...
@@Genevasuggestions1I’m English. However even many English people like myself have Scottish and Irish heritage. And a large component of the Ulster-Scots / Scots-Irish were of English stock. We share a blood bond. I’ve come across a few Americans who I share surname with. 🇬🇧 🇺🇸
depends on when they emigrated. there is always going to be some interbreeding. Im Ethnically French from people who emigrated from La Rochelle after it fell to the Catholic forces and the Edict of Nantes was revoked my ancestors arrived in Ulster in 1685. but I have both Ulster Scot and Irish blood as well as French
That's very true. My dad's side is low land Scots and the name I hold is originally from Donegal yet through the inhabiting of Scotland it went to a Island of the coast of Scotland and came back to Donegal in the Plantation. Now in Tyrone since the genocide of Protestants in 1921-23. Mum's side is mainly English so that is a mixture in itself then my mum's grandmother was an Irish Catholic from Dublin she converted to the true faith before marriage. I revolve around Ulster Scots tradition more than anything.
@@ulsterinfidel9897 True faith? That's an oxymoron. Religion is mental illness. I am pro life without religion. Had it never been for religion, England and Ireland would have remained friends.
@lookatmepleasesir People in northern Ireland of English or Scottish origin used to identify strongly as Irish until the conflicts between republicans and loyalists and especially the division of Ireland into the Republic and the UK.
my sir name as am sure you will recognise is irish but I was born in ayrshire, I live in ayrshire, n god willing, al die in ayrshire. after research I discovered that my ancestors were originally from county down.you will also notice that my name is RONEY n not rooney( pronounced ROWNEY), my ancestors were like everyone else roman catholics but became protestants and fleed to scotland after the 1641 rebellion. although I am and will always remain a proud scotsman, ive always felt n had close ties with the people of ulster n ive always been very proud of my connection with it.i suppose if u were to describe me it would not so much b ulster scot or scots irish but irish scot.in south west scotland, there is obvious links to ulster, especially culture, and in ayrshire there is a very strong Presbyterian identity.glasgow is very different because of the mass immigration of roman catholics in the late 19th century (hence the divide that exists to this day), ayrshire on the other hand is almost exclusively Presbyterian with strong links to the covenanters and also alot of ayrshiremen signed the national covenant in ulster.i have to say though that first n foremost I am a SCOTSMAN n it always amuses me that so many people in glasgow especially roman catholics describe themselves as IRISH just because they have an irish sounding name when they've probably never even been to ireland.id also like to point out that my first name calum is in no way an irish or a Catholic name.its a scots name derived from columbus who brung Christianity to scotland but who I may add was never a roman catholic but who followed celtic Christianity which was very different from the roman version (he did not believe in or accept the idiotic idea of the virgin birth) it was this precise independent way of thinking that provided the foundation for the later reformation which changed scotlands relationship with rome forever
However, the largest surname in Ulster is Johnston, banished to NI for their participation in Bonnie Prince Charlie etc. Please don't discount that one.
@@19grand It is Irish history. However in modern times the term Irish relates more to the Republic of Ireland as opposed to Northern Ireland which is a part of the UK. Technically we are still Irish but due to division many don't like to be associated with the term in Northern Ireland. Equally, in the Republic of Ireland, the idea of being British has become abnormal despite our long history and the fact geographically they're still in the British Isles.
@@19grand Also, @widhbnw efDwdwDW says it's Scottish and English history because of the fact us Ulster Scots are mostly of Protestant Scottish and English descent whom immigrated here during the Ulster Plantation.
@@immortaltyrant2474 you could say that. Just as you could say that English and Scottish history is Irish history because of the massive amounts of immigration to Scotland and England. Believed to be 16 million people of Irish descent in UK.
@Noah Pritchett Ulster Scots where mainly lowlanders or border reivers coming from both north and south of the Anglo/Scottish border they spoke Scots a Germanic language and an early form of English they also didn't wear kilts unlike the Highlanders who are descendants of Irish invaders known as the "Gaels" they ironically conquered the native Picts I'm sure there's plently of crossover but speaking for myself I see celticness as a cultural term and not a ethnic description I only refer to myself as a indigenous Brit which includes Ireland as the second largest island in the British isles.
@@WhatChaMaCalum Ireland isn't brittish and that's was one Irish kingdom Dal Ratita and invaded the Highlands of Scotland and Irish people were literally forced out there homes to make room for brittish colosiers so stfu
@@Avacados-rw8pb So basically what your saying is its ok for the Irish to invade and take land from the native Picts in Northern Scotland but its only wrong when done in reverse to them.... Hypocrites much? And FYI Ireland is the second largest Island in the British Isles I should know I was born on it...
@@Avacados-rw8pb Britain is the Roman name for the island, its England, Scotland and Wales. Somewhere along the line we’ve got very confused about who the English and the “ British” are.
there's no clear lines between race, nationality, and ethnicity, they aren't scientific concepts. But either way you've missed my point entirely again. There are american scots (people of scottish descent), canadian scots, australian scots etc. Their ancestors have been in their respective countries half the time (at the very most) ulster scots have been in ireland. Obviously, they are american or whatever nationality they happen to be, australian, canadian etc.
Scots were the true Gaels as well, not the Hiberni/Irish. That's why what is now called Scots-Gáidhlig used to just be called 'Scottis' before the 16th century. So no wonder Ulster was the most Gáidhlig part of the island of what is now called 'Ireland' - which is a 16th century Papist name by the way, that was forced on all the inhabitants of the island by Pope Leo X in the 16th century. Not to mention, Brythonic was also spoken in what's now Ireland before Goidelic was. watch?v=EhWPotZ-xww
you're the one who has to deal with your identity crisis - I'm not Irish, Ulster Scots or otherwise, you are. And most of your fellow Ulster Scots consider themselves Irish these days, not to mention the rest of the world. Unless you're from somewhere else in the united kingdom, in which case I really don't see why we're having this conversation.
1st of all I saw a doc. that said Europeans were first to come to America [ Vikings] not Indians. that gets you called racist but they have the facts. But my people came here long long ago early 1700s Im not sure about that part of my roots, the German part yes, it was late 1600s. I would like to know more about the other part. Not obsessed just curious.
I've already explained the facts to you, many of my posts were replies to my own posts because they're continuations of those posts, so maybe you haven't seen those posts because they didn't show up in your inbox, go and read ALL of my posts. If you're still denying that ulster scots are irish after reading all of my posts then your opinion is impervious to logic and fact. IF Irish TO YOU means only 'native', Gaelic Irish then I agree with you.
@william3358 He is of Irish extraction as most Irish Americans are except the natives . Just like the unionists and loyalists living in Ireland but consider themselves British.
Arthur Chichester, Baron Chichester, (born May 1563, Devon, England-died February 19, 1625, London), English lord deputy of Ireland from 1604 to 1614, who developed the plan for colonizing Ulster with English and Scottish settlers. A member of a family of Devonshire gentry, he served in the successful expedition against the Spanish port of Cádiz (1596), where he was knighted. From 1597 to 1599 he fought the Spanish in the Netherlands. part 2
Sent to Ireland as a general in 1599, Chichester helped suppress the Ulster rebellion led by the great Irish chieftain Hugh O’Neill, 2nd earl of Tyrone. In 1604 King James I appointed Chichester lord deputy. He immediately began to enforce harsh measures against Roman Catholics, but his Irish Catholic opponents persuaded the English council to intervene and reverse his policies (1606).
Almost 300 yrs of separation from Ulster, which was never the original homeland to begin with, and certain American Scott Irish still wanna get in the middle of the Irish conflict. People, our ancestors had the good sense to travel thousands of miles to get away from this shit. Not our business.
when we are the majority and it will happen . you can fly your union jack .and play god save the queen until the end of time . nobody will stop you . but the country will be Irish and belong to everone including you . but it will be ruled by the Irish goverment .maybe a shared ownership . which is more than you de·serve but any how i'm not going to stoop to your level
part 3 Chichester’s main concern, however, was the Anglicization of Ulster. He gained his opportunity when O’Neill, realizing that he could not maintain his authority under Chichester’s rule, fled to the Continent with a number of other Ulster lords in 1607. Chichester immediately confiscated their lands and devised a scheme for the colonization of Ulster. Although his plan accommodated the interests of the native Irish landholders, the abortive Ulster rebellion of Sir Cahir O’Dogherty . part 4
my clan the McDonnell did not do any herding or farming in the 12th century we where Mercenaries and did nothing but train and battle they called us the Gallowglass.
If "Ulster scots" were Presbyterian, and Presbyterians don't allow musical instruments in their services, how did these people bring bluegrass to the Appalachians?
lol Scotch-Irish people aren't native to Ireland. They used to call themselves Irish in USA until the famine when they wanted to distinguish themselves from poor natives. They have a terrible history that I would not want to be associated with. Some aren't even of any Scottish ancestry they are of Northern English or even Welsh also.
well the site was found near shanon so clearly there must be older than that . and mostly the reason for not finding any sites in down to not really looking . as im sure your aware of Ireland dosen't have the money to be wasteing on silly wars and other stuff . but im trying to get the goverment to trow a little cash at looking into sites in cork and lemrick . not that they will listing to me . but this site clearly shows what happens when somebody looks around and put's in the effort . part 2
part 2 . as i siad im going up to the clare islands to study the strange wild life that inspired charles darwin. and than onto cork . to look for pre ice age humans . never the less it's not a hell of a lot older can you even do maths . 13 thousand years . and lets face it thats the oldest your going to find . so 3 thousand years older . for now ;D .
lol what are you on about what germanic tribe . and what is the date on Valknut . lol and what culture all you did was steal other peoples cultures and mix them with your racist culture . and i know for a fact your a loyalist or a rare group called Nothern Irish only . very few of you around . and i suppose your a prod . im no relgion by the way .
My own take on the native thing is that many Ulster-Scots are indeed indigenous to Ulster. The first humans to permanently settle Ireland were from Scotland and Lowlanders have crossed that 12 mile stretch of water many times over the millennia. Genetics show we are the same race. the 5th century genetic R-M222 marker, so called 'Nail of the nine hostages' gene, is most commonly found in Northern Ireland & Lowland Scotland, not the Highlands or the Republic.
Lotta people around here (south western Ohio) say they are Irish when they mean Ulster Scots. They know the term "Scotch Irish" and I suppose they just assume that means Irish so they say they are Irish
My mothers maternal grandparents emigrated from Kilkeel. I asked my maternal grandmother what she could tell me of leprechauns and all the trappings of Eire. She said "Oh honey, I don't know anything about that." I said "But you're Irish." She replied "We're Orangemen." I then set out to learn what that was all about.........."When the Protestant boys beat on the drum." Yeah, proud to be a descendant of "Billy's Boys."
These people are still living in the past, marching with drums and flags to celebrate something that happened over three hundred years ago! Most of the normal people, just want to live in peace and survive, like everywhere else!
@@joebyrne3159 The reason is because they never had any real culture of their own and were subject to persecution due to their criminal ways. America is their last frontier that they conquered to secure their existence. Due to their greed and violent / uncivilized ways, they are also on the cusp of losing their control and influence in America, and this is why they are living in these ridiculous past times.
@@lairofdionysus1943, I am working with a bunch of guys from Belfast! Mick the mans name, he told me a story, about a Unionist, he had never being outside Belfast, and when he learned that Boyne was in southern Ireland, he wouldn't believe it! Was in shock! I guess Mick could him that it was in France, maybe his response might have been a bit different!
@@joebyrne3159 I think you mean the Irish Catholics, all they want to do is murder and break the law, that's why they could not live under English rule.
there were only 40k people living in all nine counties of Ulster in 1600. did you have the right to defend the land? sure I will give you that. but you LOST and to the victor go the spoils. O'Neil left Ulster so their was no one left to contest ownership. meaning the land became OURS bought and paid for with the blood of LOYAL subjects fair and square. and didn't the Gaels steal the land from the Fir Bolg? its the same thing
You are right the famous confederate general Stonewall Jackson's great grandfather came from Ulster and his family could have fought in the famous siege of Derry against the Catholic king James.
we don't worship the queen. where did you get that idea? oh I see you are PROJECTING again. because YOU worship Mary you think we worship the Queen? I already told you I go to the Republic all the time I have "bucket fulls" of relations in CO. Cavan and have never had a problem. and have never even heard of RAAD until you brought it up...must not be news worthy lol
(cont) is that they were lowland Scots, meaning most of them were Brythonic Celts (as opposed to Gaelic) with Anglo-Saxon blood, and Presbytarian as opposed to Catholic. But some of them were Gaelic Scots originally from the highlands, despite the efforts of the British govt to keep Gaelic Scots out of Ulster. There was also some intermarriage with the native Irish.
Its actually Norse and even if it was Irish i would still use it as i have plenty of Irish decent i have O'Neil's and Coyle's in my family tree good Ulster names.
That's the way I feel, but I've gotten alot of grief about it Some Irish-born seem to think that there are no ties and that we have no ancestral claim to Ireland. I don't think they have a valid argument.
no the catholic irish were yankee doodles. the scots/irish lived in and fought for the south...ever notice how much the confederate rebel battle flag looks suspiciously like a St Andrews Cross? with an orange back ground...as in William of Orange.
I am familiar with the term Ulster Scot and what it means. The term may be a misnomer but American's call people with that ancestry as Scots-Irish. Its easier to say Scots-Irish because 99% of most Americans haven't heard the term Ulster Scot (plus Ulster Scot/Scots-Irish gives some definition as to who and when these people came to America and from where as opposed to just Scot or Scottish). Its just descriptive, even if the terminology isn't "right".
@@mcnoface8000 well Americans aren't an ethnicity either. I live in the UK, I am from the US...American is not an ethnicity. People search for a descriptive term for what they are and it's difficult.
@@NicoleWilliams-pk9jr Americans have got in such a muddle about who the Scots Irish are . They ARE the British in Northern Ireland but they confuse Britain with England. Then they hear some daft Scottish people claiming they’re not British ,when in fact it’s just a geographical name for the island on which Scotland and England are both located.
@@martyfeldman3269 most of us who care to pose the question know. I was living in western North Carolina before coming here. The questions I have answered, only led to deeper questions; which has led me to take up a PhD on the subject.
R.U.C. stands for Royal Ulster Constabulary...the police. are you telling me you have never heard of the police? so tell me which faction of the IRA do you "belong" to? Continuity? Provisional? Real?
but according to my research RAAD is affiliated with the RIRA and the PIRA. but absolutely not with CIRA. so why didn't you say that when I asked? because you ARENT a member of RAAD you are just a wannabe.
ROYALS? so now we are Royalty to you? well its about time you showed the proper respect to your superiors. *sticks nose high in the air*...im almost positive you meant to write LOYALS. and I have been to the Republic countless times and have never had a problem. I will be alive in five years but will you be incarcerated in five years? time will only tell
I'm a Scot, living in Scotland. However, I've been able to trace back and my relatives are Scottish, Irish, Ulster Scots and a dash of Manx. I find it a bit odd to focus solely on a couple of hundred years of migratory ancestors living in one area as one's cultural/ethnic being. Its a part of it but only a fragment and a social construct rather than genetic. Enjoy the aspects of your current cultural background now. Me? I'm off to have a curry- the real national dish of Scotland...
you do realize that English is basicly German with a thick accent right? Angles Saxons and Jutes were Germanic and that Martin Luther was German? and although their version of Protestantism is different then ours we have one thing in common. we don't bow to the pope in Rome or worship false Idols. but really were were you trying to go with this last statement?
The history of the Scotch Irish in America has absolutely nothing to do with loyalty to the English crown. These people were among the most enthusiastic supporters of American Independence.
And many of them were not. Many of them were loyalists. Most of the Scots Irish were Billy Boys (those who supported King William). When they went to Appalachia (the hills) they became the Hill Billy’s. Many were from the North of England too. Also there was no such thing as the English Crown then. It was the British Crown. Irish Catholic’s fought on the side of Catholic King James. Both kings were fighting for the British Crown.
@@jdlc903 that correct! And it’s not the first time the Roman Catholic Church has let down Irish Catholics. The same happened when the Pope gave the go ahead for the Anglo-Norman invasion of Ireland. And then there was all of the child abuse. Don’t get me wrong child abuse also took place outside the Catholic Church but the Catholic Church certainly played a massive part in it.
we had ALL of Ireland at one time. the Republic has only existed for less then 100 years. but I figure we deserve all of Ulster for our troubles don't you? *points laughs*
Even though I'm an Irish Catholic I still amazing Ulster Scots Americans and Irish-Americans to live and experience or explore Ireland's history, Their Ulster Scots, Their Irish background and how it's still this Ireland of ours is still influenced by the Irish and the Ulster-Scots language.
many of these ulster scots would still have still been full scots having lived in ulster a few years or even months then migrating to amerikay. the scots have been arriving in amerikay since the late 1500s there were english too. the 1st main settlement by 3 boats from england was a town called jamestown named after a scottish king
To everyone here, it's officially Londonderry but there's nothing wrong with calling it Derry - it's simply just shorter. It's like how people from Newtownards just call it Ards. Who cares? What about the Apprentice Boys of *Derry*?
I don't quite get it. They have been in America for over 200 years, and they were only in Northern Ireland for 100 years, but from the emotions, you would think it was the other way around.
Many Scots-Irish as they were called, hailing from Northern Ireland were not treated that well initially coming to the US colonies and were pushed out into frontier areas. Beyond that, some Americans with Ulster Scots ancestors who have or had the desire to research their roots (many don't care) perhaps end up taking a trip to Northern Ireland and are well greeted and made welcomed. Perhaps this is how such an organization would take shape and other like minded individuals engaging in genealogy would then attach themselves to this group during their research efforts. Also the fact that many Scots-Irish coming to the US did so due to crisis and such events would likely be passed down. The use of the term "Scots-Irish" was likely a descriptor given by the English colonial stock to differentiate them from the Scottish highlander colonials and merchants that populated mainly the Southern colonies. So, it's possible these people feel a certain affinity to Ulster Scots today considering the odd place in which Ulster Scots are...many of those Scots Irish from Ulster led hard lives in the US colonies and were near banished to frontier regions as a barrier group against the Indians shielding the populated coastal areas. Anyways, a quick personal take.
@@snoozeyoulose9416 Thank you for your response. I have heard that many of the Scotch-Irish were attracted to the hill country of the Appalachians because it was almost out of reach of government intervention. They preferred the relative independence afforded by abundant game for hunting and fishing. The hills also gave cover to their moonshine operations. Thanks again, for your response.
@@daveberntson4081 You're welcome. Regarding the view of Scots-Irish that you share, some of that is romanticized but I should state that my perspective is largely cemented in those S-I that came down into the South, primarily North Carolina and Western Virginia. First, in dealing with moonshine, it was common during the period prior to American independence to have an alcohol operation on one's farm/plantation and could be out in the open without taxation as a whole (unless one was running a flagrant commercial operation). From the Tidewater, Virginian planters fanning out to the S-I that populated the westardly mountains/hills, it was common to have orchards and a still in which to augment yearly gains with cash crops or to shore up losses in the case of a poor growing season. Liquor would of been a medium of exchange. It wasn't until after American Independence that the young nation began to crack down on liquor operations in which to gather up needed tax revenue...that trend continuing up until this day. In regards to relative independence as a character trait driving S-I towards frontier isolation, many S-I didn't have much say in the matter as they were pushed Westward and they took advantage of what was available. The S-I however, weren't a single class monolith and S-I of higher status also came into the colonies and with money and or grants were able to obtain better land tracts down in the fertile valleys while the poorer were relegated to the side of mountains/hills (known as a holler) with little proper agricultural land in which to grow. There was an abundance of wild game across the colonies. Not only higher status S-I who likely obtained royal grants but also that of Tidewater, Virginia planter class families that had been given large grants for sons to move down into North Carolina and populate areas where the S-I and Germans had settled. The initiative behind this move was likely to ensure continued English control as a policing measure and ensure stability of the colonies with their power centers in the East. This can be seen by who took on greater governing roles, most being those from Tidewater, Virginia. There was a video from this channel which had a small segment wondering why S-I of relative wealth in Northern Ireland also went to the US colonies and it was likely incentives to obtain positions of power in the S-I communities establishing themselves in their new adopted land. Much money was to be made and including the lure of royal grants, it was likely seen as a lucrative enterprise. It was also likely seen that the incoming S-I population needed to be guided and led. Anyways, yes, at the most Westward end of the British empire of that time, it would of been akin to being on the moon, buttressed up against hostile native inhabitants. Out of that experience and relative isolation, a fierce independence did develop, especially those communities that resided in the mountains and subsquently played itself out through the US war for independence and the US civil war, where many S-I that resided in the mountains, hid from conscription unless directly threatened (Battle of King's Mountain). However, a good portion of S-I set up towns and embedded themselves into colonial life directly. To say that they happy with where they ended up land wise, it's likely a mix of truths. Interestingly, not that far removed from the type of life they would of led in Ulster, with fortified plantation towns and with that of the native Irish that they had displaced, similar to the fate of the Indians in North America. Anyways, thanks for the opportunity to share some of what I have scraped together knowledge wise and hopefully this reply wasn't too long and annoying.
so I'm not going to argue this anymore, you haven't made a logical argument so I assumed you were a self hating mick refusing to identify yourself as Irish out of passion and prejudice
african american and white american are ethnic signifiers. If ulster scots aren't Irish then you may as well say texans with scottish heritage are texas scots and not American.
look at you getting all bent out of shape when I talk of taking three wee counties but you were talking about taking six. whats wrong sunshine? you can dish it out but cant take it back?
I’m from Northern Ireland with a Protestant background but this is just weird, I don’t like the sectarianism of the order at all. It openly inflames tensions and is not representative of all Protestants. I know a little Ulster Scot’s but I hate how the culture has been hijacked by politics into some statement against Irish. Irish and Ulster Scots should be promoted for all.
Ulster Scots true pioneers! the Priest ridden South came much later as labourers for such as working on the rain-roads, I view with amusement the farce of the Paddy parade in New York, more colours than a snooker set! I view some American ideas of ancestry puzzling, Irish descent? the gg grandfathers of "Irish" paraders would turn in their graves!
Learn how to type a proper sentence before bashing someone else and talking about southerners having low IQ's. BTW the union had a higher number of deaths by the end of the war, not exactly as lopsided as you yanks think.
Ulster scots isn't even a language it's directly Gaelic and educated ulsterscots and Gaelic speakers can understand each other! As for Americans tracing their roots fine but I hate the terms scots-american or Irish american! If u don't legally qualify for a British or Irish passport yanks then you are plain American nothing else. Nationality comes from place of birth not your bloodline!
all of a sudden im your friend now? I like shooting the classics as much as the next. but correct me if im wrong aren't guns illegal for civillians to own in the Republic?
Actually, the first thing he said is true. The second...I agree with you, i'd like to see his facts. I've been writing a research paper on Scots-Irish and in a few of the sources i've read (mostly academic journals or other scholerly works) I have seen mention of Scots living in northern Ireland before the 1700s when the plantations gave rise to the big group of Scots coming over. But, the story of the plantations for Protect the Scots from the Irish? I've never heard that one...
irish never gave scots their name. simply the scotti conquerord scotland and ruled it until they lost their province Those left became irish and those not became scot
yes the scots came from ireland but that doesnt make them irish. Ireland didnt didnt exist as a nation and the island was simply different tribes and factions
you haven't addressed most of my arguments. If you're right you should be able to use logic to demonstrate you're right. Irish protestants haven't identified as Ulster Scots for a while anyway. They identify as either British, Irish, or both. Some identify as Ulsterman but Ulsterman can be either Gaelic or Scots. Most of the people who identify as Ulster Scots are americans and even they identify as 'scots-irish'.
No it would be just inaccurate. The "Scots-Irish" or "Scotch-Irish" were actually Scottish people who immigrated to Ulster in Ireland and then immigrated to America. They weren't ethnically Irish at all. I'm just saying people with this kind of ancestry should just say they have Scottish ancestry.
Good chance they were originally irish that migrated to scotland before modern times so ethnically they were. Only recent times were the two areas considered separate anyway. Before the 16rh century the two areas were called Scotia.
it really warms my heart that southern americans remember where they cam from
Prods in csa sounds right
And many of us still loyal too 🇬🇧
@@Genevasuggestions1I’m English. However even many English people like myself have Scottish and Irish heritage. And a large component of the Ulster-Scots / Scots-Irish were of English stock. We share a blood bond. I’ve come across a few Americans who I share surname with. 🇬🇧 🇺🇸
@@Genevasuggestions1#GiveScotlandbacktotheScottish #GiveIrelandbacktotheIrish
Plenty of us in Pennsylvania too
depends on when they emigrated. there is always going to be some interbreeding. Im Ethnically French from people who emigrated from La Rochelle after it fell to the Catholic forces and the Edict of Nantes was revoked my ancestors arrived in Ulster in 1685. but I have both Ulster Scot and Irish blood as well as French
amyhuk So do I ! De Lashmitts in my father’s mother’s side ... in La Rochelle was de la chaumette
Where do you live now?
That's very true. My dad's side is low land Scots and the name I hold is originally from Donegal yet through the inhabiting of Scotland it went to a Island of the coast of Scotland and came back to Donegal in the Plantation. Now in Tyrone since the genocide of Protestants in 1921-23. Mum's side is mainly English so that is a mixture in itself then my mum's grandmother was an Irish Catholic from Dublin she converted to the true faith before marriage. I revolve around Ulster Scots tradition more than anything.
who gives a fuck just keep flying that red hand sweet❤️👏🏻✊🏻🏴🇬🇧
@@ulsterinfidel9897 True faith? That's an oxymoron. Religion is mental illness. I am pro life without religion. Had it never been for religion, England and Ireland would have remained friends.
Hard working, god fearing people who just wanted for their families to prosper.Believed in god but would not accept the rule of Rome
@lookatmepleasesir People in northern Ireland of English or Scottish origin used to identify strongly as Irish until the conflicts between republicans and loyalists and especially the division of Ireland into the Republic and the UK.
You're absolutely correct.
I'm a Unionist and I would still say I'm Irish - something very uncommon nowadays.
my sir name as am sure you will recognise is irish but I was born in ayrshire, I live in ayrshire, n god willing, al die in ayrshire. after research I discovered that my ancestors were originally from county down.you will also notice that my name is RONEY n not rooney( pronounced ROWNEY), my ancestors were like everyone else roman catholics but became protestants and fleed to scotland after the 1641 rebellion. although I am and will always remain a proud scotsman, ive always felt n had close ties with the people of ulster n ive always been very proud of my connection with it.i suppose if u were to describe me it would not so much b ulster scot or scots irish but irish scot.in south west scotland, there is obvious links to ulster, especially culture, and in ayrshire there is a very strong Presbyterian identity.glasgow is very different because of the mass immigration of roman catholics in the late 19th century (hence the divide that exists to this day), ayrshire on the other hand is almost exclusively Presbyterian with strong links to the covenanters and also alot of ayrshiremen signed the national covenant in ulster.i have to say though that first n foremost I am a SCOTSMAN n it always amuses me that so many people in glasgow especially roman catholics describe themselves as IRISH just because they have an irish sounding name when they've probably never even been to ireland.id also like to point out that my first name calum is in no way an irish or a Catholic name.its a scots name derived from columbus who brung Christianity to scotland but who I may add was never a roman catholic but who followed celtic Christianity which was very different from the roman version (he did not believe in or accept the idiotic idea of the virgin birth) it was this precise independent way of thinking that provided the foundation for the later reformation which changed scotlands relationship with rome forever
Yes Calum, Ulster and Scotland have been connected for a very long time
@GSELife4 They were from South West Scotland and mainly Protestants
Many were also from the North of England.
However, the largest surname in Ulster is Johnston, banished to NI for their participation in Bonnie Prince Charlie etc. Please don't discount that one.
It was ulster scotch last week !
Irish history is so rich. I love it.
@widhbnw efDwdwDW why does it say scots-Irish?
@@19grand It is Irish history. However in modern times the term Irish relates more to the Republic of Ireland as opposed to Northern Ireland which is a part of the UK.
Technically we are still Irish but due to division many don't like to be associated with the term in Northern Ireland. Equally, in the Republic of Ireland, the idea of being British has become abnormal despite our long history and the fact geographically they're still in the British Isles.
@@19grand Also, @widhbnw efDwdwDW says it's Scottish and English history because of the fact us Ulster Scots are mostly of Protestant Scottish and English descent whom immigrated here during the Ulster Plantation.
@@immortaltyrant2474 you could say that. Just as you could say that English and Scottish history is Irish history because of the massive amounts of immigration to Scotland and England. Believed to be 16 million people of Irish descent in UK.
@widhbnw efDwdwDW its about a particular part of Ireland but its not Irish history? Thats wierd.
Oh the poor wee Irish Celts always the victims even when they're the aggressors.
@Noah Pritchett Ulster Scots where mainly lowlanders or border reivers coming from both north and south of the Anglo/Scottish border they spoke Scots a Germanic language and an early form of English they also didn't wear kilts unlike the Highlanders who are descendants of Irish invaders known as the "Gaels" they ironically conquered the native Picts I'm sure there's plently of crossover but speaking for myself I see celticness as a cultural term and not a ethnic description I only refer to myself as a indigenous Brit which includes Ireland as the second largest island in the British isles.
@@WhatChaMaCalum Ireland isn't brittish and that's was one Irish kingdom Dal Ratita and invaded the Highlands of Scotland and Irish people were literally forced out there homes to make room for brittish colosiers so stfu
@@Avacados-rw8pb So basically what your saying is its ok for the Irish to invade and take land from the native Picts in Northern Scotland but its only wrong when done in reverse to them.... Hypocrites much? And FYI Ireland is the second largest Island in the British Isles I should know I was born on it...
@@Avacados-rw8pb Britain is the Roman name for the island, its England, Scotland and Wales. Somewhere along the line we’ve got very confused about who the English and the “ British” are.
@@WhatChaMaCalum because the Scottish Highlands were basically empty at the time that's why I much of them moved there.
there's no clear lines between race, nationality, and ethnicity, they aren't scientific concepts. But either way you've missed my point entirely again. There are american scots (people of scottish descent), canadian scots, australian scots etc. Their ancestors have been in their respective countries half the time (at the very most) ulster scots have been in ireland. Obviously, they are american or whatever nationality they happen to be, australian, canadian etc.
RING RING...RING RING...ya?.....ok I will tell him. CLICK. that was the turn of the twentieth century calling...they want you to give their gun back.
that's weird cause im French and my ancestors fought at the battle of the Boyne before coming to America AGAINST the catholics
No real home then...so sad 😔
Scots were the true Gaels as well, not the Hiberni/Irish.
That's why what is now called Scots-Gáidhlig used to just be called 'Scottis' before the 16th century.
So no wonder Ulster was the most Gáidhlig part of the island of what is now called 'Ireland' - which is a 16th century Papist name by the way, that was forced on all the inhabitants of the island by Pope Leo X in the 16th century.
Not to mention, Brythonic was also spoken in what's now Ireland before Goidelic was.
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you're the one who has to deal with your identity crisis - I'm not Irish, Ulster Scots or otherwise, you are. And most of your fellow Ulster Scots consider themselves Irish these days, not to mention the rest of the world. Unless you're from somewhere else in the united kingdom, in which case I really don't see why we're having this conversation.
its already happening especially in Cavan and Monaghan
Hame,not Hiame….
If they want to explore their ancestors culture, why didn't they just go to Scotland. Because afterall that's where Ulster Scots originated from.
1st of all I saw a doc. that said Europeans were first to come to America [ Vikings] not Indians. that gets you called racist but they have the facts. But my people came here long long ago early 1700s Im not sure about that part of my roots, the German part yes, it was late 1600s. I would like to know more about the other part. Not obsessed just curious.
I've already explained the facts to you, many of my posts were replies to my own posts because they're continuations of those posts, so maybe you haven't seen those posts because they didn't show up in your inbox, go and read ALL of my posts. If you're still denying that ulster scots are irish after reading all of my posts then your opinion is impervious to logic and fact. IF Irish TO YOU means only 'native', Gaelic Irish then I agree with you.
@william3358 He is of Irish extraction as most Irish Americans are except the natives . Just like the unionists and loyalists living in Ireland but consider themselves British.
Well that's the 'we' bit you 'weren't' referring to, sorted!
WELL SAID!!
Arthur Chichester, Baron Chichester, (born May 1563, Devon, England-died February 19, 1625, London), English lord deputy of Ireland from 1604 to 1614, who developed the plan for colonizing Ulster with English and Scottish settlers.
A member of a family of Devonshire gentry, he served in the successful expedition against the Spanish port of Cádiz (1596), where he was knighted. From 1597 to 1599 he fought the Spanish in the Netherlands.
part 2
Sent to Ireland as a general in 1599, Chichester helped suppress the Ulster rebellion led by the great Irish chieftain Hugh O’Neill, 2nd earl of Tyrone. In 1604 King James I appointed Chichester lord deputy. He immediately began to enforce harsh measures against Roman Catholics, but his Irish Catholic opponents persuaded the English council to intervene and reverse his policies (1606).
Almost 300 yrs of separation from Ulster, which was never the original homeland to begin with, and certain American Scott Irish still wanna get in the middle of the Irish conflict. People, our ancestors had the good sense to travel thousands of miles to get away from this shit. Not our business.
when we are the majority and it will happen . you can fly your union jack .and play god save the queen until the end of time . nobody will stop you . but the country will be Irish and belong to everone including you . but it will be ruled by the Irish goverment .maybe a shared ownership . which is more than you de·serve but any how i'm not going to stoop to your level
lol ya can't knock a classic . i have other guns but i love this gun mo chara . shes my gun
part 3 Chichester’s main concern, however, was the Anglicization of Ulster. He gained his opportunity when O’Neill, realizing that he could not maintain his authority under Chichester’s rule, fled to the Continent with a number of other Ulster lords in 1607. Chichester immediately confiscated their lands and devised a scheme for the colonization of Ulster. Although his plan accommodated the interests of the native Irish landholders, the abortive Ulster rebellion of Sir Cahir O’Dogherty . part 4
my clan the McDonnell did not do any herding or farming in the 12th century we where Mercenaries and did nothing but train and battle they called us the Gallowglass.
Oh shut up; that's not your "clan". It's the 21st century you fuckwit. What an embarrassment.
and you're somebody?
If "Ulster scots" were Presbyterian, and Presbyterians don't allow musical instruments in their services, how did these people bring bluegrass to the Appalachians?
Well the music want allowed in church but at the house it was fair play
lol Scotch-Irish people aren't native to Ireland. They used to call themselves Irish in USA until the famine when they wanted to distinguish themselves from poor natives. They have a terrible history that I would not want to be associated with. Some aren't even of any Scottish ancestry they are of Northern English or even Welsh also.
A texan marching down Irish streets is a bloody nightmare.
well the site was found near shanon so clearly there must be older than that . and mostly the reason for not finding any sites in down to not really looking . as im sure your aware of Ireland dosen't have the money to be wasteing on silly wars and other stuff . but im trying to get the goverment to trow a little cash at looking into sites in cork and lemrick . not that they will listing to me . but this site clearly shows what happens when somebody looks around and put's in the effort . part 2
part 2 . as i siad im going up to the clare islands to study the strange wild life that inspired charles darwin. and than onto cork . to look for pre ice age humans . never the less it's not a hell of a lot older can you even do maths . 13 thousand years . and lets face it thats the oldest your going to find . so 3 thousand years older . for now ;D .
lol go ahead try it .
lol what are you on about what germanic tribe . and what is the date on Valknut . lol and what culture all you did was steal other peoples cultures and mix them with your racist culture . and i know for a fact your a loyalist or a rare group called Nothern Irish only . very few of you around . and i suppose your a prod . im no relgion by the way .
My own take on the native thing is that many Ulster-Scots are indeed indigenous to Ulster. The first humans to permanently settle Ireland were from Scotland and Lowlanders have crossed that 12 mile stretch of water many times over the millennia. Genetics show we are the same race. the 5th century genetic R-M222 marker, so called 'Nail of the nine hostages' gene, is most commonly found in Northern Ireland & Lowland Scotland, not the Highlands or the Republic.
Well thats pretty awesome buddy the story of the Scots Irish is pretty amazing and unfortunately gets stolen warped and twisted.
Lotta people around here (south western Ohio) say they are Irish when they mean Ulster Scots. They know the term "Scotch Irish" and I suppose they just assume that means Irish so they say they are Irish
How do you know they are ulster Scots and not irish
My mothers maternal grandparents emigrated from Kilkeel. I asked my maternal grandmother what she could tell me of leprechauns and all the trappings of Eire. She said "Oh honey, I don't know anything about that." I said "But you're Irish." She replied "We're Orangemen." I then set out to learn what that was all about.........."When the Protestant boys beat on the drum." Yeah, proud to be a descendant of "Billy's Boys."
These people are still living in the past, marching with drums and flags to celebrate something that happened over three hundred years ago! Most of the normal people, just want to live in peace and survive, like everywhere else!
@@joebyrne3159 The reason is because they never had any real culture of their own and were subject to persecution due to their criminal ways. America is their last frontier that they conquered to secure their existence. Due to their greed and violent / uncivilized ways, they are also on the cusp of losing their control and influence in America, and this is why they are living in these ridiculous past times.
@@lairofdionysus1943, I am working with a bunch of guys from Belfast! Mick the mans name, he told me a story, about a Unionist, he had never being outside Belfast, and when he learned that Boyne was in southern Ireland, he wouldn't believe it! Was in shock! I guess Mick could him that it was in France, maybe his response might have been a bit different!
@@joebyrne3159 I bet you believed him to didn't you.
@@joebyrne3159 I think you mean the Irish Catholics, all they want to do is murder and break the law, that's why they could not live under English rule.
I know I'll get some comments but............In Appalachia we say Scotch-Irish.
there were only 40k people living in all nine counties of Ulster in 1600. did you have the right to defend the land? sure I will give you that. but you LOST and to the victor go the spoils. O'Neil left Ulster so their was no one left to contest ownership. meaning the land became OURS bought and paid for with the blood of LOYAL subjects fair and square. and didn't the Gaels steal the land from the Fir Bolg? its the same thing
You are right the famous confederate general Stonewall Jackson's great grandfather came from Ulster and his family could have fought in the famous siege of Derry against the Catholic king James.
we don't worship the queen. where did you get that idea? oh I see you are PROJECTING again. because YOU worship Mary you think we worship the Queen? I already told you I go to the Republic all the time I have "bucket fulls" of relations in CO. Cavan and have never had a problem. and have never even heard of RAAD until you brought it up...must not be news worthy lol
(cont) is that they were lowland Scots, meaning most of them were Brythonic Celts (as opposed to Gaelic) with Anglo-Saxon blood, and Presbytarian as opposed to Catholic. But some of them were Gaelic Scots originally from the highlands, despite the efforts of the British govt to keep Gaelic Scots out of Ulster. There was also some intermarriage with the native Irish.
Its actually Norse and even if it was Irish i would still use it as i have plenty of Irish decent i have O'Neil's and Coyle's in my family tree good Ulster names.
That's the way I feel, but I've gotten alot of grief about it Some Irish-born seem to think that there are no ties and that we have no ancestral claim to Ireland. I don't think they have a valid argument.
no the catholic irish were yankee doodles. the scots/irish lived in and fought for the south...ever notice how much the confederate rebel battle flag looks suspiciously like a St Andrews Cross? with an orange back ground...as in William of Orange.
I am familiar with the term Ulster Scot and what it means. The term may be a misnomer but American's call people with that ancestry as Scots-Irish. Its easier to say Scots-Irish because 99% of most Americans haven't heard the term Ulster Scot (plus Ulster Scot/Scots-Irish gives some definition as to who and when these people came to America and from where as opposed to just Scot or Scottish). Its just descriptive, even if the terminology isn't "right".
But they are not ethnically Irish
@@mcnoface8000 well Americans aren't an ethnicity either. I live in the UK, I am from the US...American is not an ethnicity. People search for a descriptive term for what they are and it's difficult.
@@NicoleWilliams-pk9jr Americans have got in such a muddle about who the Scots Irish are . They ARE the British in Northern Ireland but they confuse Britain with England. Then they hear some daft Scottish people claiming they’re not British ,when in fact it’s just a geographical name for the island on which Scotland and England are both located.
@@martyfeldman3269 most of us who care to pose the question know. I was living in western North Carolina before coming here. The questions I have answered, only led to deeper questions; which has led me to take up a PhD on the subject.
I'm from England, Leicestershire, but my Primary School teacher, Mr Reid, was from Carrick Fergus.
My ancestors (Purefoy) came to the USA from Drayton, Leicestershire.
@@KP-vg3zn I've never been. that's right at the bottom of the county, near the border with Northamptonshire.
R.U.C. stands for Royal Ulster Constabulary...the police. are you telling me you have never heard of the police? so tell me which faction of the IRA do you "belong" to? Continuity? Provisional? Real?
it wasn't stolen it was GRANTED us by the RIGHTFUL owner. get over it.
but according to my research RAAD is affiliated with the RIRA and the PIRA. but absolutely not with CIRA. so why didn't you say that when I asked? because you ARENT a member of RAAD you are just a wannabe.
ROYALS? so now we are Royalty to you? well its about time you showed the proper respect to your superiors. *sticks nose high in the air*...im almost positive you meant to write LOYALS. and I have been to the Republic countless times and have never had a problem. I will be alive in five years but will you be incarcerated in five years? time will only tell
I'm a Scot, living in Scotland. However, I've been able to trace back and my relatives are Scottish, Irish, Ulster Scots and a dash of Manx. I find it a bit odd to focus solely on a couple of hundred years of migratory ancestors living in one area as one's cultural/ethnic being. Its a part of it but only a fragment and a social construct rather than genetic. Enjoy the aspects of your current cultural background now. Me? I'm off to have a curry- the real national dish of Scotland...
you do realize that English is basicly German with a thick accent right? Angles Saxons and Jutes were Germanic and that Martin Luther was German? and although their version of Protestantism is different then ours we have one thing in common. we don't bow to the pope in Rome or worship false Idols. but really were were you trying to go with this last statement?
The history of the Scotch Irish in America has absolutely nothing to do with loyalty to the English crown. These people were among the most enthusiastic supporters of American Independence.
And many of them were not. Many of them were loyalists. Most of the Scots Irish were Billy Boys (those who supported King William). When they went to Appalachia (the hills) they became the Hill Billy’s. Many were from the North of England too. Also there was no such thing as the English Crown then. It was the British Crown. Irish Catholic’s fought on the side of Catholic King James. Both kings were fighting for the British Crown.
@@noodlyappendage6729 King James the 1st was also a Scottish king of England. The last English king was Harold Godwinson defeated in 1066.
@@martyfeldman3269 Correct the King of Great Britain was Scottish. As am I partly. Love from London!
@@noodlyappendage6729 and King Billy was....dutch fighting with the support of the Pope and hasbourgs
@@jdlc903 that correct! And it’s not the first time the Roman Catholic Church has let down Irish Catholics. The same happened when the Pope gave the go ahead for the Anglo-Norman invasion of Ireland. And then there was all of the child abuse. Don’t get me wrong child abuse also took place outside the Catholic Church but the Catholic Church certainly played a massive part in it.
we had ALL of Ireland at one time. the Republic has only existed for less then 100 years. but I figure we deserve all of Ulster for our troubles don't you? *points laughs*
Even though I'm an Irish Catholic I still amazing Ulster Scots Americans and Irish-Americans to live and experience or explore Ireland's history, Their Ulster Scots, Their Irish background and how it's still this Ireland of ours is still influenced by the Irish and the Ulster-Scots language.
God bless you sister less division between the two is good for the world
Anyone have any idea where I could watch this? Can’t find any episode of we’re fur hame online.
good get a time machine and do that.
many of these ulster scots would still have still been full scots having lived in ulster a few years or even months then migrating to amerikay. the scots have been arriving in amerikay since the late 1500s there were english too. the 1st main settlement by 3 boats from england was a town called jamestown named after a scottish king
0:45 where are the *Machicolations*
Only one big difference here.
- Ulster-Scots in Ireland are loyal to the British Crown
- Ulster-Scots in USA not loyal to the British Crown
Go figure.
assuming you weren't lying when you said you weren't in NI yet. the only place near LONDONDERRY is CO Donegal Bridge End Muff or Ballyderowen?
caolan feely
The City and County are both officially called LONDONDERRY!!!!!
In Legal Terms there is no such place As Derry.
To everyone here, it's officially Londonderry but there's nothing wrong with calling it Derry - it's simply just shorter. It's like how people from Newtownards just call it Ards. Who cares?
What about the Apprentice Boys of *Derry*?
I don't quite get it. They have been in America for over 200 years, and they were only in Northern Ireland for 100 years, but from the emotions, you would think it was the other way around.
Many Scots-Irish as they were called, hailing from Northern Ireland were not treated that well initially coming to the US colonies and were pushed out into frontier areas. Beyond that, some Americans with Ulster Scots ancestors who have or had the desire to research their roots (many don't care) perhaps end up taking a trip to Northern Ireland and are well greeted and made welcomed. Perhaps this is how such an organization would take shape and other like minded individuals engaging in genealogy would then attach themselves to this group during their research efforts.
Also the fact that many Scots-Irish coming to the US did so due to crisis and such events would likely be passed down. The use of the term "Scots-Irish" was likely a descriptor given by the English colonial stock to differentiate them from the Scottish highlander colonials and merchants that populated mainly the Southern colonies. So, it's possible these people feel a certain affinity to Ulster Scots today considering the odd place in which Ulster Scots are...many of those Scots Irish from Ulster led hard lives in the US colonies and were near banished to frontier regions as a barrier group against the Indians shielding the populated coastal areas.
Anyways, a quick personal take.
@@snoozeyoulose9416 Thank you for your response. I have heard that many of the Scotch-Irish were attracted to the hill country of the Appalachians because it was almost out of reach of government intervention. They preferred the relative independence afforded by abundant game for hunting and fishing. The hills also gave cover to their moonshine operations. Thanks again, for your response.
@@daveberntson4081 You're welcome. Regarding the view of Scots-Irish that you share, some of that is romanticized but I should state that my perspective is largely cemented in those S-I that came down into the South, primarily North Carolina and Western Virginia.
First, in dealing with moonshine, it was common during the period prior to American independence to have an alcohol operation on one's farm/plantation and could be out in the open without taxation as a whole (unless one was running a flagrant commercial operation). From the Tidewater, Virginian planters fanning out to the S-I that populated the westardly mountains/hills, it was common to have orchards and a still in which to augment yearly gains with cash crops or to shore up losses in the case of a poor growing season. Liquor would of been a medium of exchange.
It wasn't until after American Independence that the young nation began to crack down on liquor operations in which to gather up needed tax revenue...that trend continuing up until this day. In regards to relative independence as a character trait driving S-I towards frontier isolation, many S-I didn't have much say in the matter as they were pushed Westward and they took advantage of what was available. The S-I however, weren't a single class monolith and S-I of higher status also came into the colonies and with money and or grants were able to obtain better land tracts down in the fertile valleys while the poorer were relegated to the side of mountains/hills (known as a holler) with little proper agricultural land in which to grow. There was an abundance of wild game across the colonies.
Not only higher status S-I who likely obtained royal grants but also that of Tidewater, Virginia planter class families that had been given large grants for sons to move down into North Carolina and populate areas where the S-I and Germans had settled. The initiative behind this move was likely to ensure continued English control as a policing measure and ensure stability of the colonies with their power centers in the East. This can be seen by who took on greater governing roles, most being those from Tidewater, Virginia.
There was a video from this channel which had a small segment wondering why S-I of relative wealth in Northern Ireland also went to the US colonies and it was likely incentives to obtain positions of power in the S-I communities establishing themselves in their new adopted land. Much money was to be made and including the lure of royal grants, it was likely seen as a lucrative enterprise. It was also likely seen that the incoming S-I population needed to be guided and led.
Anyways, yes, at the most Westward end of the British empire of that time, it would of been akin to being on the moon, buttressed up against hostile native inhabitants. Out of that experience and relative isolation, a fierce independence did develop, especially those communities that resided in the mountains and subsquently played itself out through the US war for independence and the US civil war, where many S-I that resided in the mountains, hid from conscription unless directly threatened (Battle of King's Mountain). However, a good portion of S-I set up towns and embedded themselves into colonial life directly.
To say that they happy with where they ended up land wise, it's likely a mix of truths.
Interestingly, not that far removed from the type of life they would of led in Ulster, with fortified plantation towns and with that of the native Irish that they had displaced, similar to the fate of the Indians in North America.
Anyways, thanks for the opportunity to share some of what I have scraped together knowledge wise and hopefully this reply wasn't too long and annoying.
RING RING...RING RING...ya?.....ok I will tell him. CLICK. that was the turn of the twentieth century calling...they want you to give their gun back.
so I'm not going to argue this anymore, you haven't made a logical argument so I assumed you were a self hating mick refusing to identify yourself as Irish out of passion and prejudice
african american and white american are ethnic signifiers. If ulster scots aren't Irish then you may as well say texans with scottish heritage are texas scots and not American.
scots irish is scots who settled in ireland during the plantation
look at you getting all bent out of shape when I talk of taking three wee counties but you were talking about taking six. whats wrong sunshine? you can dish it out but cant take it back?
I think asking it back is exactly what he is talking about lol
Fascinating!
aint that the truth
so the better word would be "ancestry" ?
I’m from Northern Ireland with a Protestant background but this is just weird, I don’t like the sectarianism of the order at all. It openly inflames tensions and is not representative of all Protestants. I know a little Ulster Scot’s but I hate how the culture has been hijacked by politics into some statement against Irish. Irish and Ulster Scots should be promoted for all.
Ulster Scots true pioneers! the Priest ridden South came much later as labourers for such as working on the rain-roads, I view with amusement the farce of the Paddy parade in New York, more colours than a snooker set! I view some American ideas of ancestry puzzling, Irish descent? the gg grandfathers of "Irish" paraders would turn in their graves!
Learn how to type a proper sentence before bashing someone else and talking about southerners having low IQ's. BTW the union had a higher number of deaths by the end of the war, not exactly as lopsided as you yanks think.
your a pure bullshit shitter you learned that at home
Cope 😂
This warms my heart and soul.
Gay
Ulster scots isn't even a language it's directly Gaelic and educated ulsterscots and Gaelic speakers can understand each other! As for Americans tracing their roots fine but I hate the terms scots-american or Irish american! If u don't legally qualify for a British or Irish passport yanks then you are plain American nothing else. Nationality comes from place of birth not your bloodline!
I don't use or sell drugs so...
"RACIST" haha you're hilarious... Would you like some sauce for that chip on your shoulder?
I need to crab few pokes stuff few cloths hope I get see my Irish people .
Lord Deputy Arthur Chichester
all of a sudden im your friend now? I like shooting the classics as much as the next. but correct me if im wrong aren't guns illegal for civillians to own in the Republic?
is Éireannach tusa amadán?
and i suppose there could have been scotish pirates too ;D;)
Scottish Americans*
Actually, the first thing he said is true. The second...I agree with you, i'd like to see his facts.
I've been writing a research paper on Scots-Irish and in a few of the sources i've read (mostly academic journals or other scholerly works) I have seen mention of Scots living in northern Ireland before the 1700s when the plantations gave rise to the big group of Scots coming over.
But, the story of the plantations for Protect the Scots from the Irish? I've never heard that one...
People have been moving between Ireland and Scotland for millenia
true, whats your backgound if you dont mind me asking ?
irish never gave scots their name. simply the scotti conquerord scotland and ruled it until they lost their province Those left became irish and those not became scot
yes the scots came from ireland but that doesnt make them irish. Ireland didnt didnt exist as a nation and the island was simply different tribes and factions
Co Londonderry...come git you some
we call scots-English "muckers"
Yes i did use profanity for that I apologise, its a poor sign to use it in a discussion!
you kept saying "come south and try it" blah blah blah and that you would be in Londonderry soon. so you are to blame for the confusion.
you haven't addressed most of my arguments. If you're right you should be able to use logic to demonstrate you're right. Irish protestants haven't identified as Ulster Scots for a while anyway. They identify as either British, Irish, or both. Some identify as Ulsterman but Ulsterman can be either Gaelic or Scots. Most of the people who identify as Ulster Scots are americans and even they identify as 'scots-irish'.
*they're*
So its scots irish now lolololol
No it would be just inaccurate. The "Scots-Irish" or "Scotch-Irish" were actually Scottish people who immigrated to Ulster in Ireland and then immigrated to America. They weren't ethnically Irish at all. I'm just saying people with this kind of ancestry should just say they have Scottish ancestry.
Good chance they were originally irish that migrated to scotland before modern times so ethnically they were. Only recent times were the two areas considered separate anyway. Before the 16rh century the two areas were called Scotia.