The honeycom interior you speak of is something called infill in the 3d printing community. It is a way to save on material usage and speed up the printing time when printing an object. It is just a normal part of the process of 3d printing objects. In the slicing software that converts a 3d model into the(g code) instructions that the printer reads it allows you to adjust the density by percentage of the object ia just infill, as well as what type of pattern the infill is. If it creates an insulating air gap that is just a bonus. Never thpight about designing and printing a carb or throttle body spacer before. May have to try it and test it on my car
I've thought of buying a blueprint crate engine, with all the issues I've had with cams going bad.... I think they have mentioned in Roadkill and Engine Masters that the Blueprint engines always seem to make more HP and Torque than they advertise. I've seen intakes that were dimpled, I think I have seen heads where the intake runners were dimpled too... I may try one of those spacers on my 350, just to see!
@@harnettsgarage it’s generally a combination of things on a flat tappet engine but honestly the biggest thing I’ve seen recently is too high of spring pressures and machine shops that do not take the time to verify lifter bore wear. When they do, and they do indeed wear, and the tolerance becomes looser, the lifter doesn’t rotate and boom it’s gone. Blueprint has their own new blocks so the tolerances are correct. But yeah even with all that, I’d not run a flat tappet cam anymore. Roller and forget it!
@@MuscleCarSolutions I had two go bad in my rebuilt 350, metal went everywhere. I took it to a machine shop, he cleaned it all out, new rings, bearings, new cam and lifters that I supplied. He checked spring pressures and bores, said the bores were within spec and the spring pressure should not have wiped the cams. I broke it in, used LUCAS high zinc break in oil, changed the oil for Lucas high zinc hot rod oil, after a month of driving, it started clattering from the top end, I had had it, yanked it, pulled it down. It did not eat the cam or lifters, but four lifters had bled down, could push the pushrod down into them without any resistance. It is getting a roller when I put it back together, I want to be able to drive it, not worry about it.
@harnettsgarage that’s a huge red flag on spring pressures. Unless it was a bone stock cam, and even then, the open pressures exceed 200 lbs which is just asking for troubles. If it was even a little bit hotter than stock those go up significantly. Yikes!
fdm 3d printed can be okay for 130+ celsius with the right plastic/filament used, if it's polycarbonate with a carbon fibre filler it should be fine(large part like this is kinda hard to print with that on a cheap, cheap printer, but there's machines on market that will do it). that's why it looks like this, because it's 3d printed, that's why it feels lighter too because it's partially hollow on the inside.
Generally they help if you use the right spacer. I think there’s tons of videos done on spacers (maybe an engine masters thing?) and their potential. This is my first time with one like this and eagerly looking forward to driving on it and then how it produces on the dyno.
@@autonomous_collective I didn’t see any 1/2” spacers. They had an odd 5/8” one though. Best thing about small companies. Gotta love the solutions and products they come up with. 👍
@@NathansMoparGarage by the number of testimonials on their website and dyno sheets, I’d say they do make a difference. We’ll see what it does with the little engine in the GMC soon!
@@ItzTheDay I have no complaints with mine so far. I almost changed cams but really didn’t want to mess with it. There are some rhubarb they cut corners on, but nothing that would make me regret buying it. I’m happy so far!
@@kennyc9110 I thought of something similar. Would be a good way to see what that air flow looks like, if anything. That’s one of those 2am and can’t sleep and see what I can cut up and make. 😆
Would be interested to see the dyno results for these. My concern would be longevity of the product, 3d prints are fantastic prototyping parts but usually don't have the durability for long term use. I'm also not so sure about that $160 price tag for a 3D printed part. . . but if it performs, like they "show" on there website, 160 bucks isn't to shabby. You should really test that PR dimpled spacers against tapered combo spaces for a more direct comparison seeing as these are an evolution of that design, where as the open space is a difference concept that produces much different results (sometimes better, sometimes worse, depends on the application). Just a thought.
@@MuscleCarSolutions You did mention it, I'm looking forward to seeing the results. I was just saying that the tapered combo would be the ideal comparison.
@@OneMoreBolt I can see the value in a test comparing to two, but there are other factors at play here. First is the amount of time I’ll need on the dyno to test two spacers plus a baseline. Too expensive to add in more variables. Second is I have the dual plan spacers and an open plane Wilson, and buying another spacer for this test isn’t financially viable. The last being comparing a standard, 1” spacer vs a similar spacer that’s dimpled is the better comparison. The Wilson I have for an single plane intake is wildly different in its design. Which I may end up doing down the road to compare two very different designs on a big CI single plane intake. Money and time are my limiting factors.
Hey Brian, that’s exciting, are you going to video you putting the motor together, and also I would like to find out more on the motor from Summit, we were talking about cams last week and I was wondering if I might do something similar and just go with a new motor, maybe you could give me some info so I could go to Summits site to know I was looking up the right engine, thanks buddy 😀😀
I have been spending some Franklin's too. Holly sniper 2 x 4 and a Currie Ford 9" 370 gears. I'm excited to c how the drivetrain turns out. Have a great weekend.
Sorry bout the small block. I've got a few buddies with Blueprints and they are happy with them. Ive talked to guys a meets and shows with them and haven't heard of anyone have a failure with on. If I was to go with a crate engine I would probably go with a BP347 or their 302 that makes 361hp. On a side note one of my buddies that got a BP 383, it came with the dyno sheet showing 436hp. He got one the turn key models. It came set at 10° Initial and I think it 28° all in. He was Dieseline when he would shut it down occasionally. He called BP and they said that they set the timing when dynoing to achieve advertised horsepower and torque. He bumped the timing up 5° and problem solved. Pretty sure he picked up a few ponies and some torque. Just something I thought you would be interested in hearing.
@@BPattB oh I never start timing below 12. This is just a long block and I’m sure I’ll find a few more numbers to make me happy. 😂 I guess I’ve bumped into a few more folks that have used a blueprint. From what I’ve seen of this one is the quality is very good. I’m hopeful!
if you wanted to design your own you could have them 3d printed from suitable high temp plastic by a service like pcbway if one doesn't want to fiddle around. you can print them with a home printer though depending on the home printer, but you'd need to know what you're doing(or have an expensive printer set up for it already, like a hardened all metal extruder, enclosure, possibly heated but at least one that stays hot and such by default - what I'm saying is that a cheapo printer needs quite a bit of "hot rodding" to print stuff that would survive under the hood)
I run an 2" Aluminum HVH in Dragracing..The Plastic I have seen will melt..Happen to My father's car.More Atomizing of the fuel.i did jet up for the right feel
@@MuscleCarSolutions forgot to mention it was combed with the cast iron bowtie intake/ old z28 copy flowed in the 250 cfm in stocks form with lunati roller cam 502 502 lift
@@Scarlet_1971_cuda Butler Performance (the Pontiac folks) are a great group and excellent machinists but they’re 8-10 months out on machine work. Didn’t want to wait! I just looked for the one you suggested. E&D in Rogers AR? That’s a bit of a haul for me!
@@petemcpeterson6205 awesome! International dyno authority tested one on a small block and made an additional 21 hp. Guess I’ll be the tie breaker when we get to the chassis dyno in a few months!
@@MuscleCarSolutions as an automotive machinist for over 30 years now I've never seen any product with a wild claim like these spacers actually pan out.. Id go out on a limb and call those results completely fake. I put these right in the same category as those little turbine blade gimmicks that you'd put in your intake tract that were supposed to increase mileage. Or engine rebuild pellets .
@@petemcpeterson6205 guess we’ll find out soon. I’ve got no skin in the game. So either way, a result is a result. I’m not here to pick or choose which results I want to support or which ones I don’t. The dyno sheet of a back to back test will be what it is.
Actally he just did a video recently and put the open spacer on a dual plane airgap and gained a bunch of torque down low. I think it was on a SBC 406.
@@jasoneby9622 did he test it against a regular non dimpled spacer too ? If not that information is useless because it's not uncommon to have a spacer make gains.. it's the dimpling that I'm calling BS on.
In addition to a boundry layer improved air flow, they claim that the dimples help mix a more homogenous air-fuel mixture entering the combustion chamber. Their YT video also raves at an extremely improved HP and torque band throughout the test +21 HP...! Wow.. quite impressive.. Where the hell has Holley and Edelbrock been on this dimpled technology. I hope they have a patent on this.. I am currently using a 1" phenolic spacer as my biggest problem is boiling that crappy ethanol fuel under high heat days like staging in line at a car show in a heat wave. Definitely going to slap one on over the winter and see what happens.
@@mikeg4163 dimpled technology has been around for decades and proven many times over it does have effect on airflow through intakes and cylinder heads. Google it! You’ll find some interesting articles on how it’s been used in some pretty successful engines.
The honeycom interior you speak of is something called infill in the 3d printing community. It is a way to save on material usage and speed up the printing time when printing an object. It is just a normal part of the process of 3d printing objects. In the slicing software that converts a 3d model into the(g code) instructions that the printer reads it allows you to adjust the density by percentage of the object ia just infill, as well as what type of pattern the infill is. If it creates an insulating air gap that is just a bonus. Never thpight about designing and printing a carb or throttle body spacer before. May have to try it and test it on my car
I've thought of buying a blueprint crate engine, with all the issues I've had with cams going bad.... I think they have mentioned in Roadkill and Engine Masters that the Blueprint engines always seem to make more HP and Torque than they advertise. I've seen intakes that were dimpled, I think I have seen heads where the intake runners were dimpled too... I may try one of those spacers on my 350, just to see!
@@harnettsgarage it’s generally a combination of things on a flat tappet engine but honestly the biggest thing I’ve seen recently is too high of spring pressures and machine shops that do not take the time to verify lifter bore wear. When they do, and they do indeed wear, and the tolerance becomes looser, the lifter doesn’t rotate and boom it’s gone. Blueprint has their own new blocks so the tolerances are correct. But yeah even with all that, I’d not run a flat tappet cam anymore. Roller and forget it!
@@MuscleCarSolutions I had two go bad in my rebuilt 350, metal went everywhere. I took it to a machine shop, he cleaned it all out, new rings, bearings, new cam and lifters that I supplied. He checked spring pressures and bores, said the bores were within spec and the spring pressure should not have wiped the cams. I broke it in, used LUCAS high zinc break in oil, changed the oil for Lucas high zinc hot rod oil, after a month of driving, it started clattering from the top end, I had had it, yanked it, pulled it down. It did not eat the cam or lifters, but four lifters had bled down, could push the pushrod down into them without any resistance. It is getting a roller when I put it back together, I want to be able to drive it, not worry about it.
@harnettsgarage that’s a huge red flag on spring pressures. Unless it was a bone stock cam, and even then, the open pressures exceed 200 lbs which is just asking for troubles. If it was even a little bit hotter than stock those go up significantly. Yikes!
fdm 3d printed can be okay for 130+ celsius with the right plastic/filament used, if it's polycarbonate with a carbon fibre filler it should be fine(large part like this is kinda hard to print with that on a cheap, cheap printer, but there's machines on market that will do it). that's why it looks like this, because it's 3d printed, that's why it feels lighter too because it's partially hollow on the inside.
@@lasskinn474 they show the cutaway on their website.
So if I put a 1 or 2” dimpled spacer on my El Camino is it going to help or hurt my attempt for maximum low end torque?
Generally they help if you use the right spacer. I think there’s tons of videos done on spacers (maybe an engine masters thing?) and their potential. This is my first time with one like this and eagerly looking forward to driving on it and then how it produces on the dyno.
Baught several of those spacers months ago. Half inch only for my dual plane manifolds. Dyno tested yesteday.🤙
@@autonomous_collective I didn’t see any 1/2” spacers. They had an odd 5/8” one though. Best thing about small companies. Gotta love the solutions and products they come up with. 👍
@@autonomous_collective so what were the dyno results? Share some details!
Richard gray in atoka has been doing great machine work for decades. For crank work and balancing bullet cams is the go to.
The crank that’s in the dead small block was done by bullet.
why has no one done this before? i think i need to get a 2" great video bud!
@@PACBrian don’t know! But Polymer Racing Products makes it now! Go place that order and let me know how it works!
Great video! They have come a long way with carb spacers! Thanks for sharing!👍🏽
Those are cool looking. I guess it depends on how well they work.
@@NathansMoparGarage by the number of testimonials on their website and dyno sheets, I’d say they do make a difference. We’ll see what it does with the little engine in the GMC soon!
I have been saving up for a Blueprint 502 for my El Camino. Man I hope the dyno sheet shows they underrated it.
@@ItzTheDay I have no complaints with mine so far. I almost changed cams but really didn’t want to mess with it. There are some rhubarb they cut corners on, but nothing that would make me regret buying it. I’m happy so far!
You should build a mock intake manifold with plexiglass and send some smoke through it
@@kennyc9110 I thought of something similar. Would be a good way to see what that air flow looks like, if anything. That’s one of those 2am and can’t sleep and see what I can cut up and make. 😆
Would be interested to see the dyno results for these. My concern would be longevity of the product, 3d prints are fantastic prototyping parts but usually don't have the durability for long term use. I'm also not so sure about that $160 price tag for a 3D printed part. . . but if it performs, like they "show" on there website, 160 bucks isn't to shabby.
You should really test that PR dimpled spacers against tapered combo spaces for a more direct comparison seeing as these are an evolution of that design, where as the open space is a difference concept that produces much different results (sometimes better, sometimes worse, depends on the application). Just a thought.
@@OneMoreBolt I guess I neglected to mention in the video that we’ll be on the chassis dyno with this product in the next few months.
@@MuscleCarSolutions You did mention it, I'm looking forward to seeing the results. I was just saying that the tapered combo would be the ideal comparison.
@@OneMoreBolt I can see the value in a test comparing to two, but there are other factors at play here. First is the amount of time I’ll need on the dyno to test two spacers plus a baseline. Too expensive to add in more variables. Second is I have the dual plan spacers and an open plane Wilson, and buying another spacer for this test isn’t financially viable. The last being comparing a standard, 1” spacer vs a similar spacer that’s dimpled is the better comparison. The Wilson I have for an single plane intake is wildly different in its design. Which I may end up doing down the road to compare two very different designs on a big CI single plane intake. Money and time are my limiting factors.
@@MuscleCarSolutions totally get it man.
Hey Brian, that’s exciting, are you going to video you putting the motor together, and also I would like to find out more on the motor from Summit, we were talking about cams last week and I was wondering if I might do something similar and just go with a new motor, maybe you could give me some info so I could go to Summits site to know I was looking up the right engine, thanks buddy 😀😀
Wow very Kool! That is exciting. 👍
@@VinoRatRodbuilds gotta love a racer’s ingenuity! Or a vino rod builder’s ingenuity. 👍
I have been spending some Franklin's too. Holly sniper 2 x 4 and a Currie Ford 9" 370 gears. I'm excited to c how the drivetrain turns out. Have a great weekend.
Nice! Those should keep you busy for a minute! Have a good one bud!
Was that an old PAW rebuild engine? That red glyptal paint was something they always did to their engines.
@@briang4470 wow. No the PAW died out almost 30 years ago! This was a fresh rebuild from a couple years ago.
Sorry bout the small block. I've got a few buddies with Blueprints and they are happy with them. Ive talked to guys a meets and shows with them and haven't heard of anyone have a failure with on. If I was to go with a crate engine I would probably go with a BP347 or their 302 that makes 361hp. On a side note one of my buddies that got a BP 383, it came with the dyno sheet showing 436hp. He got one the turn key models. It came set at 10° Initial and I think it 28° all in. He was Dieseline when he would shut it down occasionally. He called BP and they said that they set the timing when dynoing to achieve advertised horsepower and torque. He bumped the timing up 5° and problem solved. Pretty sure he picked up a few ponies and some torque. Just something I thought you would be interested in hearing.
@@BPattB oh I never start timing below 12. This is just a long block and I’m sure I’ll find a few more numbers to make me happy. 😂 I guess I’ve bumped into a few more folks that have used a blueprint. From what I’ve seen of this one is the quality is very good. I’m hopeful!
if you wanted to design your own you could have them 3d printed from suitable high temp plastic by a service like pcbway if one doesn't want to fiddle around.
you can print them with a home printer though depending on the home printer, but you'd need to know what you're doing(or have an expensive printer set up for it already, like a hardened all metal extruder, enclosure, possibly heated but at least one that stays hot and such by default - what I'm saying is that a cheapo printer needs quite a bit of "hot rodding" to print stuff that would survive under the hood)
BB&T Racing Engines in Southaven
@@codycr6 yup. I’ve visited their shop before. No, I wouldn’t use them for any work I need done.
I run an 2" Aluminum HVH in Dragracing..The Plastic I have seen will melt..Happen to My father's car.More Atomizing of the fuel.i did jet up for the right feel
@@mojorising3147 yikes! I’d be more worried about what kind of heat would cause that kind of damage to a spacer!
@@MuscleCarSolutions it's was a 1" and he was known for hot Lapping..
20 ft pd torque increase on my 350 with 4 hole prp spacer
@@deerslayer5863 that’s what I wanted to hear. Nice!
@@MuscleCarSolutions forgot to mention it was combed with the cast iron bowtie intake/ old z28 copy flowed in the 250 cfm in stocks form with lunati roller cam 502 502 lift
I know it is a bit of a drive, but Ed's Machine in Arkansas is where I would go if I was just a state over.
@@Scarlet_1971_cuda Butler Performance (the Pontiac folks) are a great group and excellent machinists but they’re 8-10 months out on machine work. Didn’t want to wait! I just looked for the one you suggested. E&D in Rogers AR? That’s a bit of a haul for me!
@@MuscleCarSolutions yes, but closer to you than me. He has a great youtube channel as well.
@@Scarlet_1971_cuda nice! I’ll check em out. Used to be in every big town you had a couple good shops to choose from. All the old guys got too old!
@@Scarlet_1971_cuda yup I found their channel and I know why you’re a fan. 😆 You mopar boys always stick together! I subscribed!
@@MuscleCarSolutions Yep!! 💯
My friend has a chevy 311 in his garage that has been sitting for years he told me it had13.5 to 1 lol
@@andrewforster4974 those can be spicy!
He has not touched it in 20 years? And would sell it just to get it out of his garage
@andrewforster4974 sounds like it would be a good deal for someone!
It's fair game to anyone who brings cash and takes it away
@andrewforster4974 that’s how I’ve built most of my junk over the years. Find someone’s abandoned projects!
Weingartner tested these and didn't pick up anything compared to other spacers .
@@petemcpeterson6205 awesome! International dyno authority tested one on a small block and made an additional 21 hp. Guess I’ll be the tie breaker when we get to the chassis dyno in a few months!
@@MuscleCarSolutions as an automotive machinist for over 30 years now I've never seen any product with a wild claim like these spacers actually pan out.. Id go out on a limb and call those results completely fake. I put these right in the same category as those little turbine blade gimmicks that you'd put in your intake tract that were supposed to increase mileage. Or engine rebuild pellets .
@@petemcpeterson6205 guess we’ll find out soon. I’ve got no skin in the game. So either way, a result is a result. I’m not here to pick or choose which results I want to support or which ones I don’t. The dyno sheet of a back to back test will be what it is.
Actally he just did a video recently and put the open spacer on a dual plane airgap and gained a bunch of torque down low. I think it was on a SBC 406.
@@jasoneby9622 did he test it against a regular non dimpled spacer too ? If not that information is useless because it's not uncommon to have a spacer make gains.. it's the dimpling that I'm calling BS on.
In addition to a boundry layer improved air flow, they claim that the dimples help mix a more homogenous air-fuel mixture entering the combustion chamber. Their YT video also raves at an extremely improved HP and torque band throughout the test +21 HP...!
Wow.. quite impressive..
Where the hell has Holley and Edelbrock been on this dimpled technology. I hope they have a patent on this.. I am currently using a 1" phenolic spacer as my biggest problem is boiling that crappy ethanol fuel under high heat days like staging in line at a car show in a heat wave. Definitely going to slap one on over the winter and see what happens.
And here you are blindly believing them…
Snazzy.
👍😎
Snake oil…
@@mikeg4163 dimpled technology has been around for decades and proven many times over it does have effect on airflow through intakes and cylinder heads. Google it! You’ll find some interesting articles on how it’s been used in some pretty successful engines.
Yup. It's a bunch of BS. Weingartner tested these and didn't gain anything.