I have read (almost) all of the millions of comments on this video, and I'll say many many people expressed the same sentiment. And one person had never considered using anything other than their thumb and was horrified people would trust "the weakest finger". You are Loved And Supported by many people, here in the Land of Etho Mockery. (I'm not clear how it can be *comfortable*, but I've given up judging after so many people here tried and validated Etho's mouse situation. Except the one track audio, that hurts my soul.)
Just recently i realised i've always pressed shift with my thumb but just never thought about it, because it's just how my brain presses shift without thinking. Back when this topic got brought up with you i understood their side because yeah it could seem inconvenient, but now i have more insight :P
it isn’t that strange, I have a somewhat similar desk setup. The table is just a little higher up and since taller people have longer arms the keyboard is a little further away and all the space thats between you and the keyboard is used by the mouse.
It's insane to me that Mumbo and Etho are on the same server. Mumbo has the nicest, highest end setup in existence, complete with an ergonomic chair and triple monitors and everything, meanwhile Etho balances his mic on Kleenex box. And Etho is the better Minecraft player.
Part of me thinks he didn’t do it out of any big brainwave but his chair broke in the down position and adapted until he could get a new chair but took so long to get the new chair that it was to weird to go back
@@alyssa09485 I do also believe his mouse has either scrolling or clicking issues. This man needs some new gear! I'm willing to bet half his gear is actually older then some of the people that watch him
Is there a way to donate to etho so he could fund that into new gear lol..like ik hes financially stable but... He got gears older than some of us,probably born with them
Because it IS based on sight! When you use a mouse the normal way, the horizontal movement of the mouse is perfectly mirrored on the display: you move the mouse to the left, the pointer goes left. And the vertical movement is also very intuitive: move the mouse forward, pointer goes up. The way he uses it, the pointer goes up when he moves the mouse to the left, right when he moves it forward, down when he moves it to the right and left when he moves it back. It's completely twisted! I don't want to know how much time it takes to get used to such craziness and WHY?! 💀
@@LRM12o8i use it based on feel too. just move your hand right/left? you don’t look at the mouse when playing, right? so if you move your hand left, the cursor will go left. doesn’t matter if the mouse itself is moving up or left or whatever, for me ^^
@@LRM12o8 In ‘common’ positioning yes, but to say he’s flipped it would be ignoring that he’s still holding the mouse the same way in his hand. When I move the mouse, I don’t look at where it’s going on the desk, I feel where it is moving relative to my wrist: push is up, pull is down, drag left and right. I tried it how Etho does it last night, and while taking a bit of practice is absolutely possible with the exact same hand motions as before. It’s wild, however weirdly intuitive if you don’t try to think of any one way as standard
@@ThomasSantosCanal1 I actually use a few different positions throughout the day, but my most common one is actually rotated out a few degrees as opposed to in, when I have the room
Furthermore, if Etho's desk is so high that his arms are nearly parallel (and he is a big dude), like, Bdub's would be resting his chin on such a setup. 😮
We all love to make "Bdubs is small" jokes, but let's not forget that Grian is even shorter. Have you ever seen the image of him standing next to Mumbo (second tallest Hermit after Doc)? It's absolutely hilarious
The mouse problem only exists because of the tissue setup. The mouse situation only got that bad because of the tissue box he refuses to get rid of and then he convinced himself that this is a better setup than everybody else. Outstanding lmao. It's like learning how to ride a unicycle because you refuse to change your bike's bursted tire
You'e doing the math wrong, he's been using the mouse set-up for ten years, but the mic in the tissue box is 4 years old? According to you, the mic is older? How? Make it make sense
No I'd argue the other way around, what etho does kinda makes sense and I can do it, Mumbo's thumb is actually insane, I still don't quite get it, I've tried and I can barely reach. Admittedly I have tiny hands, but like what is mumbo doing with his pinky then???? Bc when I've tried the thumb on shift my pinky is still sitting on the shift button too
Nah in all honesty I think Mumbos finger thing is much weirder, try play like that 😂 Ethos setup is weird but if you try play like that it's actually not terrible
@Peevee-xs4xq That is interesting. Here, he says that he can see the space bar. This gives me the impression that he can see the whole keyboard. Maybe his setup changed a little? Wait... maybe his keyboard is under the monitor that could be on a shelf, and he can only see the space bar? Idk lol. It's a reach. It's Etho being Etho.
@Peevee-xs4xq Like you said. A picture of his desk would be nice. And maybe a masked/disguised Etho (as Kakashi-sensei would be awesome), sitting at it to demonstrate how it works, would help. 🤔 But we know we'll never get that. But the confusing mystery is so fun.
Scar thinking he'd be able to see Etho's ender chest contents is classic and a perfect place for the cut. I've made the same mistake more than once. I've even walked to another players house and left them a gift in their ender chest because it was the first chest I found.
i was laughed at work because i have my same mouse setup for 8 years (without the tissue box) and now i learned that one of my favorite youtubers has the same setup as me.
Same man... I have the same setup... Like the same mouse placement cause my table's a bit high, it's a study table, not gaming table... So it's so comfortable having the mouse like that.
I copied that mouse work at 10 or so from my mother. Never knew until now that people consider it weird. It's more relaxed for me than holding it next to the keybord.
Etho is one of a kind! How he makes videos is "unique". He doesn't record a bunch then edit it down to a video. He records 1 clip at a time. Meaning he records a clip, adds it to the video he's working on, then if he likes it records the next clip.
This sounds like an old school Quake thing. Back in the day of LAN tournaments with massive monitors space was much less forgiving and compression of your space was necessary, which not only made up weird mouse placements like that but also pioneered keyboard tilting back in the day when pretty much nothing was smaller than TKL (pretty much only the Model M SSK was the only consumer model at the time smaller than full size).
In my case it's just convenience of slightly less arm movement between holding mouse (below keyboard, sideways) and having both hands on the keyboard versus moving hand all the way off keyboard to the mouse on the side of keyboard
This is might be like the left-handed theory they’ve been talking on stream. Etho might actually able to beat Gem in pvp if he got desk mat and place his mouse in good place, who knows…
The set up is what's preventing him from ever doing it realistically lol if he switched the set up into something less unhinged he could probably get good enough at PvP, but at first he'd be even worse because he'd have to adjust to it
I have no doubt that some other hermits would donate etho some items if they were able to. With etho being around for How many years, there has to have been at least one case of this happening. If not, I REALLY want to see some donations... cause while it's very interesting, I also feel kinda bad about seeing the state of his desk?
@@eclipse9727 Yes! Scar mentioned a couple of times in stream that he wanted to buy Etho keyboard and mic stand if Etho allows him to. But the man is just so peculiar with his setup and already got used to it so he refuse to replace it
I think the pivotal info was the desk height. Try it for yourself and you'll see that it is actually more comfortable to do it that way when you have a high desk
Yes this clicked for me too, it's 100% more comfortable if the desk is ridiculously high. Also, with a low chair you don't need a super tall desk to be at close to shoulder height when sitting. It definitely sounds more crazy without this context. Also, no one would bear the dtrain for playing Minecraft for hours if it legitimately was straining so that confirms this too.
If you're tall you need to have a really low chair to make that work though? Feels like it defeats the point if you're not gonna have enough space for your legs and have them sitting at an awkward angle just to make this setup work.
@@pigglebee A high desk only works if you're not really tall, I'm like 1.95m so you won't find a desk anywhere that would be high enough, and afaik Etho himself is quite tall too.
Well, the order does goes "Reduce, Reuse, Recycle". If Etho did needed that box at some point and are now reusing it. Well, he is doing more for environment than people who just out-right recycle. :D
I'm 6' and have my chair at the lowest height as well - my legs are usually stretched out under my desk when I'm sitting straight or leaning back (probably 90-95% if the time). When I'm leaning forward they are doubled back under the chair - not the most comfortable position, but also not the most uncomfortable part of sitting leaning forward. I alternate between the two mouse positions, mostly based on how much space I need.
I moved a kitchen chair to a bar level countertop and put my keyboard and mouse in the position Etho does and guys it’s actually so comfortable?? Like the counter right up against my arms kept me from slouching and it was shockingly ergonomic for my wrists and neck?? Etho is a madman but he’s found a way to cheat the game irl and it w o r k s
@@ovencake523 I just started trying it out and I don't think you do. Or at least not much. Your hand still moves the same as you do with mouse on the side of the keyboard. There was like a minute where I was moving my mouse at a diagonal but after that it just works.
Etho's way is actually what I often do! It actually IS way more comfortable. I am an architect irl and often get wrist, palm and shoulder cramps after a day at work. I randomly tried a different mouse hand position and I rarely get muscle aches anymore
Hello miners and crafters, after 666 comments here, it's become clear that there is legit merit to some of what Etho does, other people do it, especially people like old school quake gamers (at 37 he's on the young end but hell maybe Etho was at LAN parties). Some people, after watching this, have *tried* some of this and been pleased. I put this clip up to watch block people roast each other, and now I've changed the lives of a handful of people with wrist strain. Life moves in mysterious ways, but there's one thing we can all agree on - GET A NEW KEYBOARD (won decked out with a broken spacebar for the love of god please etho please be good to yourself, etho if you somehow read this just buy a new one and *try* it you can reject it give keralis a post office box okay thank you for your content you make us smile.)
It sounds like Etho is hunched (wide armed) over his desk, and mouse like a boozehead at a bar nursing an empty glass. The fixation on an old kleenex box just adds to the homeless vibes of the whole scene. 😂
fun fact, the now standard of wasd came from a Quake player remapping his keys from the arrow keys to wasd, and other people noticed it, and tried it, and it is now the standard. (also the developers of Quake, Id Software, noticed it and made it the default)
High desks are super comfy. The last office I worked at, I had my desk adjusted to slightly below shoulder height. When your arms are then going over the desk, the desk is supporting your upper body, taking weight off of your spine and encouraging good straight back posture. I always find myself slouching at “normal height” desks, regardless of how ergonomically fancy a chair is being used.
I was watching the stream of this at work and was occupied for a bit and came in when Tango said "so I'm on your right elbow now?" And I had no idea what I'd walked into. This makes so much more sense but also no sense at all. 😂😂
i tried it for about 2 seconds and pulled my bicep and my back started hurting... how much strain is this man putting on his wrist from keeping the mouse facing the same way as his keyboard lmao
Etho is 100% right about positioning the mouse that way takes strain off you wrist. Having your mouse in front of your keyboard and using it perpendicular is the superior way.
His desk height would explain the change actually. When my old chair broke I had to bend my wrist to use my mouse because the desk was so high and it REALLY messed up my wrist over time. His mouse posture would fix that but feel worse at a normal desk height since you'd have to hunch to actually use it. Also his mouse movements would be the same to him, right is still right it's just positioned differently. His arm moves the same.
3:17 HOLY SHIT. I found a brother in Etho, this is exactly how I would use my mouse back during my Pro FPS days and everybody thought it was so bizarre!
I've tried out Etho's mouse thing and it is SO confortable like wtf. Holding it horizontal is PERFECT and Mumbo's thumb thing is also lretty comfy, just most likely won't stick to it as often as Etho's mouse thing. Now I WANT Etho's keyboard set-up to work but my desk isn't long enough for that so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
6:35 Get him in guess the build!!!!!!!! We need this random block picking philosophy to represent even more hermits. A pile of pistons is as iconic and recognizable as a giraffe's pedicure!!!
My arm rests are lower than my desk, my elbows are on the arm rests, my wrists are at the edge of my desk, and my wrists are also in-line with my lower arms.
my brother is a big guy too for an Asian. he's 6'2 and he plays closely to this setup of keyboard and mouse. another unique thing he does is he loves playing FPS games but when he's using WASD keys, he's only using two fingers (Thumb & Index Finger) to press them and the remaining three(3) fingers to press the number keys.
You know, I don't think I'll do the weird parallel mouse thing, but the arm resting on the desk is actually really nice. You don't need your whole forearm up to the elbow resting on the desk, just like half of it and it really does change your wrist position in a comfortable way.
Woah, that mouse and keyboard placement is actually good. You can rest both elbows on your desk, I feel less strain. The armrests on my chair doesnt reach as far as I might want, so this setup is actually goated.
I really do understand the reasoning for the mouse location, but using a good wrist cushion will help a lot with the straining. Those ones which aren't attached to a mouse pad.
“You won decked out like this?” Had me rolling. But hey if it works it works and I can see the benefits of it. When I tried it the keyboard was too far away to make sufficient space but with higher sensitivity I could’ve made it work.
I showed my brother this and he said half his friends have the same exact setup as the way etho does it, it the most superior way for fps games according to him
No wonder this dude always falls asleep while editing long videos, his setup is basically perfect for napping, with his desk so high, he just gotta lean the head forward a bit and you’re there 😂
This was actually the recommended way to hold the computer mouse by my physical therapist. It's a lot more natural for your hands/arms as they're not twisted unnaturally. It's more natural to hold your hands in front of you toward the middle, like holding your hands together.
@@ChillCubitoClips I had this setup for work with a lift desk, and i would recommend it, but i know it's not for everyone. And funnily enough, how etho describes having his elbows resting on his desk since it's so high up is exactly what the physical therapist recommended as well. Switch your posture throughout the day, keep the mouse in front of your keyboard, and when standing you have your desk high enough that your elbows is resting a little on it. Like it should feel just a little too high. Etho kind of unknowingly optimising his setup for maximum comfort is such an etho thing to do 😆
I actually spend most of my time on my laptop with a trackpad, reclined on the couch, but i keep saying i should use my desk more. (reclining helps with my particular shoulder problems, cause i can't hunch forward) @@eirikco
@@ChillCubitoClips With etho's method, I'd imagine you'd have to hunch forward a little more than a normal desk setup. So that might not be great for your shouldee. Lift desks are great though, keeps you from getting stuck in the same position for too long. ... If you don't forget about the lift function like I totally never do..
yknow i thought "theres no way they spend the whole 15 minute video on this subject" but nope, it turns out etho's setup genuinely requires 15 minutes worth of explanation. what a legend
elbow on the desk with the mouse sideways is actually pretty comfortable to play with. in the old days a lot of quake players used to do similar stuffs at lan or internet cafes when there really wasnt enough space on the desk to game at a high level. another strat ill reccomend that some ppl may or may not enjoy is to place your keyboard on your lap/knee when you play games. ive heard some ppl find that pose comfortable as well
AND PEOPLE CALL ME WEIRD
I have read (almost) all of the millions of comments on this video, and I'll say many many people expressed the same sentiment. And one person had never considered using anything other than their thumb and was horrified people would trust "the weakest finger". You are Loved And Supported by many people, here in the Land of Etho Mockery.
(I'm not clear how it can be *comfortable*, but I've given up judging after so many people here tried and validated Etho's mouse situation. Except the one track audio, that hurts my soul.)
Just recently i realised i've always pressed shift with my thumb but just never thought about it, because it's just how my brain presses shift without thinking. Back when this topic got brought up with you i understood their side because yeah it could seem inconvenient, but now i have more insight :P
Just because ethos desk set up is weird doesn't mean your thumb thing isn't!!!
Better than thumb shifting
I'm sure this has been asked before, but if you press shift with your thumb, what finger do you press the space bar with?
"you won decked out like this?" has me crying laughing
More like "Desked Out". 😅
It's the meta
2:36
TWICE!
I don't need a face reveal, I need a desk reveal! I want to see properly how strange this set up is
I bet that he's afraid that Anything could reflect a portion of his face xD.
But then again, do like Xisuma and wear a mask
it isn’t that strange, I have a somewhat similar desk setup.
The table is just a little higher up and since taller people have longer arms the keyboard is a little further away and all the space thats between you and the keyboard is used by the mouse.
He probably wants to hide his body type since his voice is so recognizable that someone could find him if they knew his general shape and voice
@@chiefpanda7040I’m pretty sure he got recognized once just from his voice
Someone actually drew his setup on Tumblr
Etho slab is one of the creatures of all time
He’s the C.O.A.T
I’m convinced he’s actually a myth
Ok how tf you've commented 1 day ago when video is only out for like 6 hrs
@@omkarraskar8664 it was unlisted before, i made it public today
He likes to lurk in forests searching for ppl that need help than he helps them and vanishes into the trees before ppl could say thanks
"He doesn't have a smartphone, he can't help us Tango" SCAR LMAO 😂
Scar has some great one liners lol
"in case i ever get a new computer"
a guy with a tissue box for a mic stand, broken keyboard, totally could spend that money on a pc lol
omg but HOW, if he's a giant AMD his desk is so high up when he sits on the lowest chair setting his desk is at his shoulders? i cannot fathom xD
And 2 million subscribers and an average of 300k views per video 😂😂😂
@@Purrfect_Werecathes said before that hes well off financially its essentially saying he CHOOSES to play like this 😂
@@Gekumatz It's a lifestyle. Us mortals cannot comprehend the genius of the man who won Decked Out.
@@grzegorzbrzeczyszczykiewic563he’s living in the future
„Its a recent thing“
„The last 10 years“
I mean for his fanbase 10 years is actually fairly recent... Mindcrack was just yesterday right?
10 years doesnt feel like that long after you pass 27
Etho is a 300 year old giant. He can't risk showing his face, because that would let the cat out of the bag.
@@mailleweaver It would explain why he likes jungles (prime territory for ancient beings) and living underground so much
@@StuffandThings_Mindcrack was better than hermitcraft back in the day.
Etho, bringing a chair to a standing desk: "hmm... yeah, this'll do"
It's insane to me that Mumbo and Etho are on the same server. Mumbo has the nicest, highest end setup in existence, complete with an ergonomic chair and triple monitors and everything, meanwhile Etho balances his mic on Kleenex box. And Etho is the better Minecraft player.
mumbo also has the weird quirk of holding shift with his thumb
its not like mumbo's keyboard habits are any more normal though
The way he uses a keyboard makes sense if you use the mouse with your left hand. Though, as a lefty, I've always used a normal PC setup @@leviksd
and etho plays more games while mumbo basically just plays mc 😭
The duality of men
Part of me thinks he didn’t do it out of any big brainwave but his chair broke in the down position and adapted until he could get a new chair but took so long to get the new chair that it was to weird to go back
or he still has that broken chair
He has a broken spacebar, I wouldn't be surprised to hear about a broken chair
@@alyssa09485 I do also believe his mouse has either scrolling or clicking issues.
This man needs some new gear! I'm willing to bet half his gear is actually older then some of the people that watch him
@@mikoajpietrych6168 wouldn't surprise me he used broken headphones for some time.
Is there a way to donate to etho so he could fund that into new gear lol..like ik hes financially stable but... He got gears older than some of us,probably born with them
I love how Tango can’t accept that mouse usage is based on feel, not sight
Literally, i also play with my mouse slightly tilted(tho i have a big mousepad), not to the extent as etho but like a ~60-75° angle
Because it IS based on sight! When you use a mouse the normal way, the horizontal movement of the mouse is perfectly mirrored on the display: you move the mouse to the left, the pointer goes left.
And the vertical movement is also very intuitive: move the mouse forward, pointer goes up.
The way he uses it, the pointer goes up when he moves the mouse to the left, right when he moves it forward, down when he moves it to the right and left when he moves it back. It's completely twisted!
I don't want to know how much time it takes to get used to such craziness and WHY?! 💀
@@LRM12o8i use it based on feel too. just move your hand right/left? you don’t look at the mouse when playing, right? so if you move your hand left, the cursor will go left. doesn’t matter if the mouse itself is moving up or left or whatever, for me ^^
@@LRM12o8 In ‘common’ positioning yes, but to say he’s flipped it would be ignoring that he’s still holding the mouse the same way in his hand. When I move the mouse, I don’t look at where it’s going on the desk, I feel where it is moving relative to my wrist: push is up, pull is down, drag left and right. I tried it how Etho does it last night, and while taking a bit of practice is absolutely possible with the exact same hand motions as before. It’s wild, however weirdly intuitive if you don’t try to think of any one way as standard
@@ThomasSantosCanal1 I actually use a few different positions throughout the day, but my most common one is actually rotated out a few degrees as opposed to in, when I have the room
No wonder sometimes he talked about how he can't see his keyboard while typing
Exactly what I was thinking. It makes so much sense now
He also plays on super sensitivity for this which probably doesn’t help with sword PVP
It's like his arms envelop every part of his desk, like a greedy goblin trying to desperately hold onto his coins.
we're cradled in his giant arms as he speaks so gently into our ear, lovingly supported by our head, empty like an old tissue box 🫠
etho and mumbo need to adopt a child so they can teach it the Eldritch knowledge of keyboard and desk mangling
Lol
he's basically using a giant laptop, instead of the track pad its a mouse
Wait you blew my mind
his mouse is sideways though - left is up, right is down, etc.
holy shit this is an awesome explanation
and the track pad is turned 90 degrees
@@moonlit_sky127 the mouse is on the right though right, so wouldnt left be down and right be up with forward left back right?
Furthermore, if Etho's desk is so high that his arms are nearly parallel (and he is a big dude), like, Bdub's would be resting his chin on such a setup. 😮
How tall is Etho I need a height check
@@Space_gremlinlike 6”2
Lower he would see the underside of the desktop
We all love to make "Bdubs is small" jokes, but let's not forget that Grian is even shorter. Have you ever seen the image of him standing next to Mumbo (second tallest Hermit after Doc)? It's absolutely hilarious
And pretty sure Yoel is shorter than Grian.
The mouse problem only exists because of the tissue setup. The mouse situation only got that bad because of the tissue box he refuses to get rid of and then he convinced himself that this is a better setup than everybody else. Outstanding lmao. It's like learning how to ride a unicycle because you refuse to change your bike's bursted tire
Bruh I've used that mouse setup before without a tissue box in the way and it is genuinely better imo lol
You'e doing the math wrong, he's been using the mouse set-up for ten years, but the mic in the tissue box is 4 years old? According to you, the mic is older? How? Make it make sense
@@queenraven007 Yet Etho's TH-cam career isn't that short, so the tissue box thing has been happenning for some time??
What are you talking about, the box doesn't effect the mouse angle at all.
@@Gardor the box placement in front of the keyboard allows for the space to use the mouse in front of it.
Etho doesn't need to see his keys, when he needs to type in the chat he asks the bear he befriended over maple syrup to type the message for him.
we need a realistic fanart of this
@@InsertAwesomeKeysmashhave it so its him winning decked out because of scars joke
@@InsertAwesomeKeysmash draw him giving birth.
I kinda wanna try 3d modelling this...
@@reaganharder1480 The desk? Or that other request? They’re both incredibly cursed.
@@LugborG The desk. Humans are beyond my modeling skill level...
I love how Tango is comparing Etho's setup to Mumbo shifting with his thumb... no, Mumbo is weird, Etho is inhuman
No I'd argue the other way around, what etho does kinda makes sense and I can do it, Mumbo's thumb is actually insane, I still don't quite get it, I've tried and I can barely reach. Admittedly I have tiny hands, but like what is mumbo doing with his pinky then???? Bc when I've tried the thumb on shift my pinky is still sitting on the shift button too
Funny enough i almost have the same way and i play a ton of CS. It somehow works
Nah in all honesty I think Mumbos finger thing is much weirder, try play like that 😂 Ethos setup is weird but if you try play like that it's actually not terrible
I will literally sell my soul to Mr slab himself for a photo of his setup, HIS DESK IS LITERALLY SHOULDER HEIGHT WHAT THE HELL-
And he can still see over the tissue box....
@@LurkingAstronaut But somehow can't see his keyboard while typing
@Peevee-xs4xq That is interesting. Here, he says that he can see the space bar. This gives me the impression that he can see the whole keyboard. Maybe his setup changed a little? Wait... maybe his keyboard is under the monitor that could be on a shelf, and he can only see the space bar? Idk lol. It's a reach. It's Etho being Etho.
@@LurkingAstronaut To be fair I might just have misinterpreted something 😅 Nonetheless this is a certified Etho moment lmao
@Peevee-xs4xq Like you said. A picture of his desk would be nice. And maybe a masked/disguised Etho (as Kakashi-sensei would be awesome), sitting at it to demonstrate how it works, would help. 🤔 But we know we'll never get that. But the confusing mystery is so fun.
you can see tango's brain getting fried as Etho explained this XD
just heard his comment about Mumbo, guy clearly doesn't know about Keralis's setup, apparently even more fuck-y
@@laurenbrender3671 wait what does keralis do lmao
Scar thinking he'd be able to see Etho's ender chest contents is classic and a perfect place for the cut. I've made the same mistake more than once. I've even walked to another players house and left them a gift in their ender chest because it was the first chest I found.
i was laughed at work because i have my same mouse setup for 8 years (without the tissue box) and now i learned that one of my favorite youtubers has the same setup as me.
Same man... I have the same setup... Like the same mouse placement cause my table's a bit high, it's a study table, not gaming table... So it's so comfortable having the mouse like that.
@@pratitghosh5973 i really didn't expect so many people come out as being etho-like in this regard
@@ChillCubitoClips ikr... I even made a reddit post in r/hermitcraft.
I need to see this. I’m having a hard time imagining this in my mind
I copied that mouse work at 10 or so from my mother. Never knew until now that people consider it weird. It's more relaxed for me than holding it next to the keybord.
Etho is such a strange creature i love it
With those pistons representing Etho, he is a redstone construct, confirmed.
*astronaut meme* "Always Has Been" lol
Etho saying he never noticed stress from a too tall task after explaining that desk layout he came up with to be comfortable is peak etho!
Etho is one of a kind! How he makes videos is "unique". He doesn't record a bunch then edit it down to a video. He records 1 clip at a time. Meaning he records a clip, adds it to the video he's working on, then if he likes it records the next clip.
Etho is a TH-cam cryptid honestly.
Woah that’s amazing
It has been years since I watched etho, this man is a cryptid wtf
I assume he doesn’t record like that on multiplayer
The mouse setup is just the way for tall or long armed individuals, very comfy
Etho gaslights tango and scar into believing his setup is accceptable
Etho is living proof that all it takes to be good at TH-cam is skill and personality
3:27
This gives me flashbacks to Etho's carpal tunnel issues during the later days of Mindcrack, this makes a lot of sense now
This sounds like an old school Quake thing. Back in the day of LAN tournaments with massive monitors space was much less forgiving and compression of your space was necessary, which not only made up weird mouse placements like that but also pioneered keyboard tilting back in the day when pretty much nothing was smaller than TKL (pretty much only the Model M SSK was the only consumer model at the time smaller than full size).
In my case it's just convenience of slightly less arm movement between holding mouse (below keyboard, sideways) and having both hands on the keyboard versus moving hand all the way off keyboard to the mouse on the side of keyboard
This man is so vague and cryptic. Canada is terrified, Everyone around the globe is terrified.
etho sits at a standing desk
Love that these guys can just have a regular old chat and exhibit their friendship, makes them so much more human and relatable
To be fair to Etho, I do not think this is anywhere near as weird as Mumbo's thumb shifting
Yeah I tried to do both and I can actually see etho’s logic, but the thumb shifting just doesn’t make any sense in any way
This is might be like the left-handed theory they’ve been talking on stream. Etho might actually able to beat Gem in pvp if he got desk mat and place his mouse in good place, who knows…
The set up is what's preventing him from ever doing it realistically lol if he switched the set up into something less unhinged he could probably get good enough at PvP, but at first he'd be even worse because he'd have to adjust to it
@@thegloriouskingkronk8422 RIGHT? But considering he used ‘normal’ set up before he might get used to it quite fast
I have no doubt that some other hermits would donate etho some items if they were able to. With etho being around for How many years, there has to have been at least one case of this happening.
If not, I REALLY want to see some donations... cause while it's very interesting, I also feel kinda bad about seeing the state of his desk?
@@eclipse9727 Yes! Scar mentioned a couple of times in stream that he wanted to buy Etho keyboard and mic stand if Etho allows him to. But the man is just so peculiar with his setup and already got used to it so he refuse to replace it
@eclipse9727 etho can for sure afford it if he wanted to
Everyone talks about Mumbo pressing shift with his thumb when ethos been doing this the whole time
I think the pivotal info was the desk height. Try it for yourself and you'll see that it is actually more comfortable to do it that way when you have a high desk
Yes this clicked for me too, it's 100% more comfortable if the desk is ridiculously high. Also, with a low chair you don't need a super tall desk to be at close to shoulder height when sitting. It definitely sounds more crazy without this context. Also, no one would bear the dtrain for playing Minecraft for hours if it legitimately was straining so that confirms this too.
If you're tall you need to have a really low chair to make that work though? Feels like it defeats the point if you're not gonna have enough space for your legs and have them sitting at an awkward angle just to make this setup work.
@@snailymitch or a pretty high desk
@@pigglebee A high desk only works if you're not really tall, I'm like 1.95m so you won't find a desk anywhere that would be high enough, and afaik Etho himself is quite tall too.
@@snailymitchgiven that he uses a tissue box to put his mic in, he probably has his desk propped up with cinderblocks or something.
Well, the order does goes "Reduce, Reuse, Recycle".
If Etho did needed that box at some point and are now reusing it. Well, he is doing more for environment than people who just out-right recycle. :D
Etho being an apparently tall guy having his chair at the lowest setting means his knees have to be super high
Or he sits with his feet in a chair? Probably also super uncomfortable but like. Different flavor of it
I'm 6' and have my chair at the lowest height as well - my legs are usually stretched out under my desk when I'm sitting straight or leaning back (probably 90-95% if the time). When I'm leaning forward they are doubled back under the chair - not the most comfortable position, but also not the most uncomfortable part of sitting leaning forward. I alternate between the two mouse positions, mostly based on how much space I need.
I dont care about seing Etho's face but we NEED a setup picture at some point.
I love his set up so much, it is my favorite thing ever
I moved a kitchen chair to a bar level countertop and put my keyboard and mouse in the position Etho does and guys it’s actually so comfortable?? Like the counter right up against my arms kept me from slouching and it was shockingly ergonomic for my wrists and neck?? Etho is a madman but he’s found a way to cheat the game irl and it w o r k s
like it does sound amazingly comfortable, but i would have to reset my brain to use a mouse like that i think
@@ovencake523 I just started trying it out and I don't think you do. Or at least not much. Your hand still moves the same as you do with mouse on the side of the keyboard. There was like a minute where I was moving my mouse at a diagonal but after that it just works.
ive done this naturally with a short chair before its amazingly comfortable. ill rest my chin on something and just chill for hours
Etho's way is actually what I often do! It actually IS way more comfortable. I am an architect irl and often get wrist, palm and shoulder cramps after a day at work. I randomly tried a different mouse hand position and I rarely get muscle aches anymore
Hello miners and crafters, after 666 comments here, it's become clear that there is legit merit to some of what Etho does, other people do it, especially people like old school quake gamers (at 37 he's on the young end but hell maybe Etho was at LAN parties). Some people, after watching this, have *tried* some of this and been pleased. I put this clip up to watch block people roast each other, and now I've changed the lives of a handful of people with wrist strain.
Life moves in mysterious ways, but there's one thing we can all agree on - GET A NEW KEYBOARD (won decked out with a broken spacebar for the love of god please etho please be good to yourself, etho if you somehow read this just buy a new one and *try* it you can reject it give keralis a post office box okay thank you for your content you make us smile.)
Today I learned Etho's age was public
his whole entire birthday, August 20, 1986. Such a thing to share when you won't share a picture of your desk@@austinmontgomery117
his birthday is 5 days before mine (aug.25) ,,,@@ChillCubitoClips
Pro league players in fps games use this mouse grip too, so this does mean there can be a good reason for this kind of mouse grip
for 15 ish years i have used my mouse pointing to 9oclock directly between me and the center of teh keyboard when playing any game with wsad movement
For those who don't know why Tango keeps mentioning Mumbo's thumb: Mumbo uses his thumb to press the shift key.
It sounds like Etho is hunched (wide armed) over his desk, and mouse like a boozehead at a bar nursing an empty glass.
The fixation on an old kleenex box just adds to the homeless vibes of the whole scene. 😂
That’s exactly how I picture it as well lol
he's not hunched over tho, his desk is at shoulder height. its like a child handing onto a too tall countertop
@@j.c.cannon2112 he's basically in a high chair for tall people
fun fact, the now standard of wasd came from a Quake player remapping his keys from the arrow keys to wasd, and other people noticed it, and tried it, and it is now the standard. (also the developers of Quake, Id Software, noticed it and made it the default)
I tell people this exact history and they look at me like I am crazy lol.
High desks are super comfy. The last office I worked at, I had my desk adjusted to slightly below shoulder height. When your arms are then going over the desk, the desk is supporting your upper body, taking weight off of your spine and encouraging good straight back posture.
I always find myself slouching at “normal height” desks, regardless of how ergonomically fancy a chair is being used.
I was watching the stream of this at work and was occupied for a bit and came in when Tango said "so I'm on your right elbow now?" And I had no idea what I'd walked into. This makes so much more sense but also no sense at all. 😂😂
Tried the Etho setup. It does actually feel more comfortable
i tried it for about 2 seconds and pulled my bicep and my back started hurting... how much strain is this man putting on his wrist from keeping the mouse facing the same way as his keyboard lmao
@@crunchevo8974 Toughen up buttercup, youre a cream puff
@@crunchevo8974 I think you're doing it wrong...
@@magnushmann I think I'm just short lol
@@crunchevo8974 oof ':)
Freak of nature
I was called weird for how I have my mouse! Im glad to see Etho does the same lol
Etho is 100% right about positioning the mouse that way takes strain off you wrist. Having your mouse in front of your keyboard and using it perpendicular is the superior way.
i’m obsessed with this man what on earth is he talking about in this whole entire video. he’s off his rocker i feel insane
You know, the way I started watching Tango kind of started as me watching his VODs for extra Etho content. This does not disappoint xD
His desk height would explain the change actually. When my old chair broke I had to bend my wrist to use my mouse because the desk was so high and it REALLY messed up my wrist over time. His mouse posture would fix that but feel worse at a normal desk height since you'd have to hunch to actually use it.
Also his mouse movements would be the same to him, right is still right it's just positioned differently. His arm moves the same.
i want to remind everyone that Ethoslab is your favorite minecraft youtuber's favorite minecraft youtuber
I love that "Mumbo thumb" is the top of the scale. XD
3:17 HOLY SHIT. I found a brother in Etho, this is exactly how I would use my mouse back during my Pro FPS days and everybody thought it was so bizarre!
He can't get rid of the tissue box, it's a beloved reoccurring character!
That he has the decibel setting written on the box as if he's going to replace his computer before his tissue stand....
It sounds to me like he’s basically positioned like a tired student sleeping on their desk, but like actually productive
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I've watched this clip so many times, I don't know why I love it so much. But thank you for making it so easy to find and rewatch in my time of need.
I've tried out Etho's mouse thing and it is SO confortable like wtf. Holding it horizontal is PERFECT and Mumbo's thumb thing is also lretty comfy, just most likely won't stick to it as often as Etho's mouse thing. Now I WANT Etho's keyboard set-up to work but my desk isn't long enough for that so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
6:35 Get him in guess the build!!!!!!!! We need this random block picking philosophy to represent even more hermits. A pile of pistons is as iconic and recognizable as a giraffe's pedicure!!!
My arm rests are lower than my desk, my elbows are on the arm rests, my wrists are at the edge of my desk, and my wrists are also in-line with my lower arms.
The best part is the small distressed Tango noise at 3:23 as he tries to understand what Etho is describing.
The sholder height desk and sideways mouse are comfy
6:20 ETHO FACE REVEAL?!?!
my brother is a big guy too for an Asian. he's 6'2 and he plays closely to this setup of keyboard and mouse. another unique thing he does is he loves playing FPS games but when he's using WASD keys, he's only using two fingers (Thumb & Index Finger) to press them and the remaining three(3) fingers to press the number keys.
Hell. I think it is time we all play more like etho. Something is clearly going right
You know, I don't think I'll do the weird parallel mouse thing, but the arm resting on the desk is actually really nice. You don't need your whole forearm up to the elbow resting on the desk, just like half of it and it really does change your wrist position in a comfortable way.
I never knew that was a weird way to hold a mouse… I’ve always done that😅
the desk at shoulder height is absolutely *insane*
*inhales*
THIS MAN /pos
Etho is so awesome I swear! He deserves the best in life
when my mic stand broke i used a pop tart box to hold my mic and it got destroyed so fast needed a new box
Woah, that mouse and keyboard placement is actually good. You can rest both elbows on your desk, I feel less strain. The armrests on my chair doesnt reach as far as I might want, so this setup is actually goated.
I need an artist/animator to help me understand this
Someone did infact make a diagram/drawing of it. It was very helpful.
@@SimsDiva24 available where?
@@dutchscotch the youtube channel smallishcats, they posted it in their community tab
@@dutchscotchOn the hermitcraft subreddit
I just exclaimed out loud, “This is making horrible sense, and I don’t want it to!!”
I really do understand the reasoning for the mouse location, but using a good wrist cushion will help a lot with the straining. Those ones which aren't attached to a mouse pad.
“You won decked out like this?” Had me rolling. But hey if it works it works and I can see the benefits of it. When I tried it the keyboard was too far away to make sufficient space but with higher sensitivity I could’ve made it work.
Pretty straight forward, and the mouse is comfy. I dont have a desk but it's not uncommon for me to use the mouse the same way on my belly
Scar's 'Hi Mrs T!' is my favourite thing 4:12
NO WONDER HE'S RUSTY AT PVP AND BAD AT PARKOUR
He's holding back his true power from us by handicapping himself with the setup
Etho's just earning his place as a cryptid. There is no other explanation.
2.5 million subscribers TH-camr everyone! lol
I showed my brother this and he said half his friends have the same exact setup as the way etho does it, it the most superior way for fps games according to him
No wonder this dude always falls asleep while editing long videos, his setup is basically perfect for napping, with his desk so high, he just gotta lean the head forward a bit and you’re there 😂
In the FPS gaming community I see many who hold their mouse in the same way as Etho does, so it's more common than you'll think.
This was actually the recommended way to hold the computer mouse by my physical therapist. It's a lot more natural for your hands/arms as they're not twisted unnaturally. It's more natural to hold your hands in front of you toward the middle, like holding your hands together.
i'm honestly considering trying it, after the many testimonials here
@@ChillCubitoClips I had this setup for work with a lift desk, and i would recommend it, but i know it's not for everyone. And funnily enough, how etho describes having his elbows resting on his desk since it's so high up is exactly what the physical therapist recommended as well. Switch your posture throughout the day, keep the mouse in front of your keyboard, and when standing you have your desk high enough that your elbows is resting a little on it. Like it should feel just a little too high. Etho kind of unknowingly optimising his setup for maximum comfort is such an etho thing to do 😆
I actually spend most of my time on my laptop with a trackpad, reclined on the couch, but i keep saying i should use my desk more. (reclining helps with my particular shoulder problems, cause i can't hunch forward) @@eirikco
@@ChillCubitoClips With etho's method, I'd imagine you'd have to hunch forward a little more than a normal desk setup. So that might not be great for your shouldee. Lift desks are great though, keeps you from getting stuck in the same position for too long. ... If you don't forget about the lift function like I totally never do..
Actually tried this new mouse technique. He has a point. I can't get over how cursed my movements are. But it is comfortable
yknow i thought "theres no way they spend the whole 15 minute video on this subject" but nope, it turns out etho's setup genuinely requires 15 minutes worth of explanation. what a legend
this wasn't even the first time people talked about his setup on stream that week
All of the hermits: *screams in rsi*
umm.... I also do it that way, never realized it wasn't normal.
*sigh* i'll pay for your therapy...
@@_moonL1ght_. The mouse is the only weird thing, having your elbows on your desk is actually so good.
I had a couple of setups where the only place for the mouse was like that, it's actually quite intuitive.
Kleenex box and all
elbow on the desk with the mouse sideways is actually pretty comfortable to play with. in the old days a lot of quake players used to do similar stuffs at lan or internet cafes when there really wasnt enough space on the desk to game at a high level. another strat ill reccomend that some ppl may or may not enjoy is to place your keyboard on your lap/knee when you play games. ive heard some ppl find that pose comfortable as well
that's actually a very 'artist' type of using your elbows and not your wrists. way healthier for the joints
Nothing made sense until he mentions how high the desk is, ofc it's more comfortable it's like he's sitting at a bar!