An okay video, but I take issue with a small bit of research; the Sega Master System wasn't just popular in Brazil, it did very well in the UK and several European countries. The NES didn't take off in the UK until it was bundled with a rubbish Hero Turtles game. Plus, using the "technical limitations" argument is irrelevant considering many NES games included special chips to bypass some hurdles in the base machine.
I grew up with a snes and PS1 but later in life picked up a NES and honestly I enjoy it more than the ones I grew up with. It's so satisfying to master and then finally beat NES games. It's kinda like getting a mental workout. The process of practicing and improving is really enjoyable, you never get bored playing NES games even if you do get frustrated. It's a completely different way to look at gaming, it's so refreshing honestly. I enjoy modern games too but NES games just hit different and are an experience all their own.
Great video! The only flaw I have with it is the fact that the rental market was very underrepresented as a reason. Because Nintendo and other devs that made good games on the NES tried to combat the rental market by making the American versions of games harder then the Japanese versions, sometimes to an extreme degree. Still though you really covered this topic greatly and I really liked the late 2000’s and early 2010’s feel to this video.
Honestly the NES is kinda underrated. The Japanese Famicom in particular has some awesome RPGs, Action RPGs, and visual novels that didn’t get released over here. It also is the best console for 2D Platformers, with games like Castlevania, Super Mario Bros. 3, Ninja Gaiden, Getsu Fuma Den, Bionic Commando, Mega Man series, and all of the licensed games by Konami/Capcom which I would argue are much stronger than the platformers of the 16 bit generation. Not to mention that there’s tons of NES Metroidvanias like Adventure Island 4, and Goonies II where the only Metroidvania of the SNES was Super Metroid and Demon’s Crest.
I'd say Shovelware was worse during the 2600 era as it literally caused the industry to crash. I think the NES didn't have a repeat because the good games were much higher quality than even the good 2600 games.
With Atari's shovelware, they were more or less obscure as very few made it to mainstream shops. "Chase the Chuck Wagon", for example, wasn't in shops, neither was "Pepsi Invaders". The video game crash was mainly due to retail glut; some of the most popular games were financially damaging game developers and publishers, most notably Imagic. Also, speaking as someone who owns both machines, I find Atari 2600 games more consistently fun than NES games.
Really depends on what games were talking about but in general to answer the question why 1. A lot of early Famicom and NES releases were arcade ports and while those games weren't hard per say you can really feel the influence a lot of them left with one of the most notable examples being Tower of Druaga being the blueprint for games with hidden secrets and of course Zelda 1 really highlighting how its done for adventure games. 2. The rental market wasn't a big issue in Japan as by the Famicom Boom era video game rentals were completely banned in the country to combat piracy and lost game sales, but in North America and Europe rentals were absolutely a thing and despite Nintendo's best efforts they never really died out until rental stores died in the age of streaming. So pretty much as a result of this third party developers started increasing the difficulty in their games and in a few cases not even Japan was safe from this. 3. It mostly came down to the limitations of the hardware but more specifically the cartridges that housed the games having only so much memory that you couldn't really cram in a huge game especially during the early years. Advanced mapper chips from Nintendo and third parties remedied a lot of these issues but even then you don't want someone to buy your game and then beat it 30 minutes after popping it in so you have to stretch it out and for RPGs you REALLY have to stretch it out by making your game grindy as hell. I wouldn't call the Famicom nor NES bad only because of a few LJN games that the Nerd has covered, if anything there are FAR WORSE games on the Famicom that the western world is lucky to not be aware of. If you know where to look then you can find some incredible games. Anyways Gimmick! is the best Famicom game don't @ me
Easy games can often be perceived as boring for several reasons: Lack of Challenge: One of the primary reasons people play games is to experience a challenge. Easy games may not require significant skill, strategy, or thought, leading to a feeling of boredom due to the lack of engagement. Predictability: When games are too easy, players can quickly predict outcomes and strategies, which can diminish excitement and thrill. A sense of uncertainty and discovery is often what keeps players engaged. Limited Rewards: If a game doesn't require much effort to progress or achieve goals, the rewards may feel less satisfying. Hard-earned achievements tend to be more gratifying, whereas easily attained success can feel hollow. Short Playtime: Easy games may often be shorter, leading to a quicker sense of completion. Once finished, it may not provide motivation for replaying or exploring further. Lack of Depth: Many easy games may not offer complex mechanics, storylines, or character development, leading to a shallow gaming experience. Players often enjoy rich, immersive experiences with depth and multifaceted gameplay. Audience Expectations: Different players seek various experiences. Casual gamers might appreciate easy games for relaxation, while more competitive or dedicated players may seek out harder challenges. Social Aspect: Many players enjoy sharing experiences and challenges with others. Easy games might not provide opportunities for meaningful competition or collaboration, leading to less engagement with the gaming community. Ultimately, whether a game is boring or not is subjective and can depend on personal preferences and expectations in gaming.
I grew up the NES era myself. One of the first games that was mine was Zelda II. Most people consider it the worst Zelda ever but I would disagree. I enjoyed the challenge and the large world in it. Of course it took me a long time to finish it being that Game Faqs did not exist and did not get Nintendo Power till after I finished it. The game was a gift from a friend after getting my own NES and for my parents considered it a heaven send being that they only bought me new games when I finished the old ones. I will say the rental market was handy to prevent getting stinkers in your game library with idea of try before you buy. A few year later I had a friend down the street that his Dad bought nearly every game for every console in sight so I got to try many games before before going to the local game store. It was about then, the pawn shop down the street got a large stock of NES games at $5 bucks a pop and that's when I started getting an allowance for doing my chores. So I built a library of NES games that I have to this day. I have a few stinkers in that pile but not all can be gems.
Nice vid, and as someone who grew up in the 1980s yelling at Battletoads, TMNT, and Ninja Gaiden, I'd have to agree. Golgo 13, for example, is one hell of a game, especially given the platform limitations, and while it's not super difficult in terms of gameplay, it's so long (and has no way of saving progress) that I never finished it. If you haven't tried it yet, I'd highly recommend The Guardian Legend. Overlooked even when it was new, it combines Zelda-type gameplay with a top-down shooter, has a reasonable difficulty level, really makes the most out of the limited graphics, and is just one of my favorites of all time. It had continue codes, but now that you can use save states, it's even better.
to me it was never an issue. now i understand that in part it was necessary, otherwise the game wouldn't last long. a nes cartridge usually held a few hundred of kb of data, and only exceptionally few mega. but i liked the challenge as a kid. if anything, i'm surprised that many people nowadays seem to prefer them easy.
Ok but I feel like you got got a lot of your interpretation from AVGN. He’s far from the arbiter of nes facts. P.s. when he was crying over “the dragon in my dreams” I’m thinking about all the debaucherous things I’ve watched people do to it back in high school.
I’m not 40 yet, but we were poor so this was my first console. Because I grew up expecting video games to be difficult and challenging, I actually have trouble enjoying modern games as much. Beating modern games feels like less of an accomplishment. Less rewarding to me at least.
I'm 41 and the nes is my all time favorite console. In all fairness, it's the era I grew up in and because of it I can beat most games in less than a week of only casual playing. I love modern as well as classics. I love a balance of the 2. I know the younger generation doesn't like the NES and I respect that. The noglastia and hard games keep me back.
Also a lack of testing . Half of nes games have bad fisics , bad timming and bad plataforming . Tmnt in the middle of the jump seems your body gets lighter and the contrary happens to mega man for example and many more. Few games you feel were well tested and carefully designed. Like Mario Bros saga for example . I think by the 16 bit era many Nes design problems were solved. I think maybe with the NES limitation more work has to be done. Anyway there enjoyable gems like Batman Saga , felix the ct Flindsotnes, Platoon, F1 built Samson, Faxanadu, Crystalis. And many more just have to search
You know what grinding my gear is that Nintendo doesn't want me to use emulator to play games they don't resale and yet they shutdown they're previously eshop and wii channel
There were plenty of great games on the Nintendo entertainment system but there was too much trash too. But games like Zelda, 1&2 ff1-3 Mario bros double dragon mortal kombat metroid the megaman series and so on and so on. Plenty of those games are still fun to play today. Forty years later. The main issue with the original Nintendo was Nintendo not placing any minimum quality and allowing so many games. That seemed as if some geek using his Tandy 1000 wrote them in turbo pascal and Nintendo sold them but it was the early years of console gaming and little competition. To force quality to be a bigger priority over quantity. To be honest. If I had to play old Nintendo games or old Playstation one games. I'm almost always going to pick the NES. While today I'm a dedicated Playstation gamer and don't care for Nintendo at all. For the new Zelda game every couple years or so. It isn't worth it to me. To buy what is basically a kids gaming system.
🤡 FORGOT TO MENTION IN THE 90s THEY MADE GAMES HARDER SO YOU WONT BEAT THEM WHILE RENTING THEM. THATS THE ONLY REASON THEY PUT PUZZLES IN RESIDENT EVIL AND DUKE NUKEM TOMB RAIDER GAMES. THEY COULDVE JUST MADE THE GAMES LONGER. They MADE EXTREME HARD PUZZLES WITHOUT SPENDING EXTRA ON GAME AND YOU DIDNT EVEN MENTION IT. You STATED NOTHING.
I didn't even watch the entire video because he shows AVGN and literally tries to do the same thing but doesn't even show his face. I stopped watching because authentic videos are not common anymore. All we get is watered down saturation from someone who NEVER played these games as a kid. Means nothing to a true gamer. I hate players who rely on the internet to beat a game. I'm all about trial and error for ALL NES GAMES. Not some of them, all of them. Had enough, I'm out
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An okay video, but I take issue with a small bit of research; the Sega Master System wasn't just popular in Brazil, it did very well in the UK and several European countries. The NES didn't take off in the UK until it was bundled with a rubbish Hero Turtles game. Plus, using the "technical limitations" argument is irrelevant considering many NES games included special chips to bypass some hurdles in the base machine.
I grew up with a snes and PS1 but later in life picked up a NES and honestly I enjoy it more than the ones I grew up with. It's so satisfying to master and then finally beat NES games. It's kinda like getting a mental workout. The process of practicing and improving is really enjoyable, you never get bored playing NES games even if you do get frustrated. It's a completely different way to look at gaming, it's so refreshing honestly. I enjoy modern games too but NES games just hit different and are an experience all their own.
If they were too easy, people would beat them too quickly, especially considering how you could only fit so much content on an NES game.
It be nice to actually be able to beat a game.
Great video! The only flaw I have with it is the fact that the rental market was very underrepresented as a reason. Because Nintendo and other devs that made good games on the NES tried to combat the rental market by making the American versions of games harder then the Japanese versions, sometimes to an extreme degree.
Still though you really covered this topic greatly and I really liked the late 2000’s and early 2010’s feel to this video.
Honestly the NES is kinda underrated. The Japanese Famicom in particular has some awesome RPGs, Action RPGs, and visual novels that didn’t get released over here.
It also is the best console for 2D Platformers, with games like Castlevania, Super Mario Bros. 3, Ninja Gaiden, Getsu Fuma Den, Bionic Commando, Mega Man series, and all of the licensed games by Konami/Capcom which I would argue are much stronger than the platformers of the 16 bit generation. Not to mention that there’s tons of NES Metroidvanias like Adventure Island 4, and Goonies II where the only Metroidvania of the SNES was Super Metroid and Demon’s Crest.
I'd say Shovelware was worse during the 2600 era as it literally caused the industry to crash. I think the NES didn't have a repeat because the good games were much higher quality than even the good 2600 games.
Just posted the same... this video is plain bullshit.
With Atari's shovelware, they were more or less obscure as very few made it to mainstream shops. "Chase the Chuck Wagon", for example, wasn't in shops, neither was "Pepsi Invaders". The video game crash was mainly due to retail glut; some of the most popular games were financially damaging game developers and publishers, most notably Imagic.
Also, speaking as someone who owns both machines, I find Atari 2600 games more consistently fun than NES games.
Really depends on what games were talking about but in general to answer the question why
1. A lot of early Famicom and NES releases were arcade ports and while those games weren't hard per say you can really feel the influence a lot of them left with one of the most notable examples being Tower of Druaga being the blueprint for games with hidden secrets and of course Zelda 1 really highlighting how its done for adventure games.
2. The rental market wasn't a big issue in Japan as by the Famicom Boom era video game rentals were completely banned in the country to combat piracy and lost game sales, but in North America and Europe rentals were absolutely a thing and despite Nintendo's best efforts they never really died out until rental stores died in the age of streaming. So pretty much as a result of this third party developers started increasing the difficulty in their games and in a few cases not even Japan was safe from this.
3. It mostly came down to the limitations of the hardware but more specifically the cartridges that housed the games having only so much memory that you couldn't really cram in a huge game especially during the early years. Advanced mapper chips from Nintendo and third parties remedied a lot of these issues but even then you don't want someone to buy your game and then beat it 30 minutes after popping it in so you have to stretch it out and for RPGs you REALLY have to stretch it out by making your game grindy as hell.
I wouldn't call the Famicom nor NES bad only because of a few LJN games that the Nerd has covered, if anything there are FAR WORSE games on the Famicom that the western world is lucky to not be aware of. If you know where to look then you can find some incredible games.
Anyways Gimmick! is the best Famicom game don't @ me
Easy games can often be perceived as boring for several reasons:
Lack of Challenge: One of the primary reasons people play games is to experience a challenge. Easy games may not require significant skill, strategy, or thought, leading to a feeling of boredom due to the lack of engagement.
Predictability: When games are too easy, players can quickly predict outcomes and strategies, which can diminish excitement and thrill. A sense of uncertainty and discovery is often what keeps players engaged.
Limited Rewards: If a game doesn't require much effort to progress or achieve goals, the rewards may feel less satisfying. Hard-earned achievements tend to be more gratifying, whereas easily attained success can feel hollow.
Short Playtime: Easy games may often be shorter, leading to a quicker sense of completion. Once finished, it may not provide motivation for replaying or exploring further.
Lack of Depth: Many easy games may not offer complex mechanics, storylines, or character development, leading to a shallow gaming experience. Players often enjoy rich, immersive experiences with depth and multifaceted gameplay.
Audience Expectations: Different players seek various experiences. Casual gamers might appreciate easy games for relaxation, while more competitive or dedicated players may seek out harder challenges.
Social Aspect: Many players enjoy sharing experiences and challenges with others. Easy games might not provide opportunities for meaningful competition or collaboration, leading to less engagement with the gaming community.
Ultimately, whether a game is boring or not is subjective and can depend on personal preferences and expectations in gaming.
Appreciate the 4:3 video render.
8 bit hanger 18 was a banger.Also, arcade games were notoriously hard to gobble quarters, and they wanted to make games seem "like the arcade"
I grew up the NES era myself. One of the first games that was mine was Zelda II. Most people consider it the worst Zelda ever but I would disagree. I enjoyed the challenge and the large world in it. Of course it took me a long time to finish it being that Game Faqs did not exist and did not get Nintendo Power till after I finished it. The game was a gift from a friend after getting my own NES and for my parents considered it a heaven send being that they only bought me new games when I finished the old ones. I will say the rental market was handy to prevent getting stinkers in your game library with idea of try before you buy. A few year later I had a friend down the street that his Dad bought nearly every game for every console in sight so I got to try many games before before going to the local game store. It was about then, the pawn shop down the street got a large stock of NES games at $5 bucks a pop and that's when I started getting an allowance for doing my chores. So I built a library of NES games that I have to this day. I have a few stinkers in that pile but not all can be gems.
Nice vid, and as someone who grew up in the 1980s yelling at Battletoads, TMNT, and Ninja Gaiden, I'd have to agree. Golgo 13, for example, is one hell of a game, especially given the platform limitations, and while it's not super difficult in terms of gameplay, it's so long (and has no way of saving progress) that I never finished it.
If you haven't tried it yet, I'd highly recommend The Guardian Legend. Overlooked even when it was new, it combines Zelda-type gameplay with a top-down shooter, has a reasonable difficulty level, really makes the most out of the limited graphics, and is just one of my favorites of all time. It had continue codes, but now that you can use save states, it's even better.
to me it was never an issue. now i understand that in part it was necessary, otherwise the game wouldn't last long. a nes cartridge usually held a few hundred of kb of data, and only exceptionally few mega. but i liked the challenge as a kid. if anything, i'm surprised that many people nowadays seem to prefer them easy.
Ok but I feel like you got got a lot of your interpretation from AVGN. He’s far from the arbiter of nes facts.
P.s. when he was crying over “the dragon in my dreams” I’m thinking about all the debaucherous things I’ve watched people do to it back in high school.
I’m not 40 yet, but we were poor so this was my first console. Because I grew up expecting video games to be difficult and challenging, I actually have trouble enjoying modern games as much. Beating modern games feels like less of an accomplishment. Less rewarding to me at least.
I'm 41 and the nes is my all time favorite console. In all fairness, it's the era I grew up in and because of it I can beat most games in less than a week of only casual playing. I love modern as well as classics. I love a balance of the 2. I know the younger generation doesn't like the NES and I respect that. The noglastia and hard games keep me back.
It's true. AVGN not only got me into the NES but into retro gaming on a whole.
8 bit Hangar 18
I'm watching this on my phone it hurts
Loving your presentation
Also a lack of testing . Half of nes games have bad fisics , bad timming and bad plataforming . Tmnt in the middle of the jump seems your body gets lighter and the contrary happens to mega man for example and many more. Few games you feel were well tested and carefully designed. Like Mario Bros saga for example . I think by the 16 bit era many Nes design problems were solved. I think maybe with the NES limitation more work has to be done. Anyway there enjoyable gems like Batman Saga , felix the ct Flindsotnes, Platoon, F1 built Samson, Faxanadu, Crystalis. And many more just have to search
AVGN did a disservice to the NES. Period.
Reason why its hard because you don't want the games to feel like a cheap money grub but they want you to keep coming back
You know what grinding my gear is that Nintendo doesn't want me to use emulator to play games they don't resale and yet they shutdown they're previously eshop and wii channel
Like how you putted this video in 4:3
Gotta bring back that golden age TH-cam spirit.
There were plenty of great games on the Nintendo entertainment system but there was too much trash too.
But games like Zelda, 1&2 ff1-3 Mario bros double dragon mortal kombat metroid the megaman series and so on and so on. Plenty of those games are still fun to play today. Forty years later.
The main issue with the original Nintendo was Nintendo not placing any minimum quality and allowing so many games. That seemed as if some geek using his Tandy 1000 wrote them in turbo pascal and Nintendo sold them but it was the early years of console gaming and little competition. To force quality to be a bigger priority over quantity.
To be honest. If I had to play old Nintendo games or old Playstation one games. I'm almost always going to pick the NES.
While today I'm a dedicated Playstation gamer and don't care for Nintendo at all. For the new Zelda game every couple years or so. It isn't worth it to me. To buy what is basically a kids gaming system.
I think it's safe to say that the NES is my least favorite Nintendo console, with the N64 being a close second.
You like the Virtual Boy more than the NES!?
I assume you aren’t a fan of platformers.
I think they’re easy compared to new games.
Very avgn inspired
So hard!
🤡 FORGOT TO MENTION IN THE 90s THEY MADE GAMES HARDER SO YOU WONT BEAT THEM WHILE RENTING THEM. THATS THE ONLY REASON THEY PUT PUZZLES IN RESIDENT EVIL AND DUKE NUKEM TOMB RAIDER GAMES. THEY COULDVE JUST MADE THE GAMES LONGER. They MADE EXTREME HARD PUZZLES WITHOUT SPENDING EXTRA ON GAME AND YOU DIDNT EVEN MENTION IT. You STATED NOTHING.
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I didn't even watch the entire video because he shows AVGN and literally tries to do the same thing but doesn't even show his face. I stopped watching because authentic videos are not common anymore. All we get is watered down saturation from someone who NEVER played these games as a kid. Means nothing to a true gamer. I hate players who rely on the internet to beat a game. I'm all about trial and error for ALL NES GAMES. Not some of them, all of them. Had enough, I'm out