To be fair to Meltzer, WWE did some "wrestling-booking sense" themselves trying to shoehorn the Rock in Cody's wrestlemania spot just a few weeks ago, trying to make money instead of making sense. But that didn't work either, so he's still wrong.
Well, at least Dave can now admit that AEW makes illogical decisions. Go back a few years(shit, maybe even months) and Dave would have claimed that something blatantly illogical, was absolutely logical just so as long as AEW did it. He's made some progress. 😆
Here from the future: Meltzer was completely wrong. Not only have BCC not been put in the tag title picture, the Young Bucks have not defended the titles at all since they won the tournament.
I don't know that Alvarez was ever "drinking the Kool Aid"; it was just part of the act Bryan was performing on-air. He'd tailor his character to get the best "engagement" with whoever he was working with. The only tripping point was that Dave would eventually say something so moronic or frustrating that Bryan would feel forced to call it out. That's been going on for years, whether it was Bryan calling out Dave defending WWE or AEW.
After Rock's left Cody on Raw a bloody mess, there was some disturbance in the universe and Moxley woke up and decided to bleed all over the canvas like foot on a gas pedal. It'll be badass...Rocky 3.
Dave for years has said he knew what was wrong with wrestling and had all the answers. Tony has actually put Dave’s ideas into action and they are failing badly. He cannot criticise Tony as that would mean admitting he himself was wrong.
@@Ryusuta And he slowly is, oh bro his rant about the triple crown was like the best thing in a loong time hahaha 2009 tna / 2015 wcw vibes from alvarez. I wait for a new golden boat rant
It's good to see him snap out of the trance from time to time. Maybe there's hope for Super Chico... I would be trying to eat my own feet and laugh hysterically at insects flying by if I had to listen to Dave Meltzer's word salad and brain farts every day. Or Tony Khan's, for that matter...
Aew is the manifestation of Meltzer's view how wrestling should be and how the business should be run. Tony listens to uncle Dave and that's why Davy is protecting marks business.
Same with all smarks online who all thought they knew how to make wrestling big again and how Vince was wrong. Turns out their ideas made wrestling even worse 😂
The moment Meltzer delivered the line "wrestling is all about making money" was the moment Meltzer destroyed whatever credibility he had left. I'm not disagreeing with that statement. What I mean is that he is basically doing a self own by making that statement.
Wrestling is all about making money, and Tony Khan is all about pissing away his family inheritance by signing WAY too many performers that don't move the needle at multi-million-dollar contracts (Adams Copeland/Cole/Page, Mercedes, Saraya, Osprey, Ibushi, Rainmaker, etc. etc. ETC.)
Of course it's a self-own....this is the dude who basically become a legend among smart marks for consistently shitting on the WWF(E) product during it's '80s heyday when it was making a boatload of money.
because last and cornette are using the free feed that comes up on youtube. these random clowns re-post WOR youtube, but instead of doing a direct re-upload of the audio, they record IN REAL TIME, the audio coming off their phone speaker, and upload that. do a search for wrestling observer radio, and sort it by "posted most recent" and "over 20 minutes" and listen. it's wild. then compare what you listened to the official clips that WO posts on their feeds.
It's men like Meltzer and Alvarez is why wrestling's IWC is so divided. Meltzer praises everything AEW does and I think Tony Khan is secretly paying him to praise his company.
@@SchnitzelCFCI genuinely think he'd do it for free too, but I doubt it. Tiny Khan't will still pay him. Tiny is the kind of boy to outbid himself at an auction.
@@SchnitzelCFC This. Tony Khan is the closest Meltzer will ever come to seeing all of his booking takes make it to a main stage, so when reality demonstrates in how bad the theories are in practice he gets super defensive and blames the fans for rejecting it/himself. An unhealthy amount of his identity is tied to AEW.
From here on out when Dave tells us something doesn't make logical sense in a WWE booking, we can just say yeah well it makes wrestling sense so it's ok
The thing Dave is not acknowledging is that generally you cover nonsensical booking with a storyline that makes sense of it to the audience. "BCC couldn't participate because Claudio already committed to a yodeling competition in Switzerland" or something. BCC beat FTR in humiliating fashion and then disappeared for the tournament.
The same Tony Khan that lost his mind that Jinder Mahal got a title shot out of the blue, but then gives Okada a title shot and title win in his FIRST singles match with the company as a regular member of the roster.
That’s kind of different. Jinder was off tv for over a year and has been a jobber for most of his career, while Okada had been wrestlings Final Boss for about 5 years. The key things was that nobody cared about Jinder and he wasn’t relevant, while Okada is always in the spotlight and is a favorite among wrestling fans, eapecially the ones that watch japanese wrestling. I get what you’re trying to say, but it doesn’t work here when comparing Jinder to Okada lol
Jinder whether you care about him or not is a former WWE World Champion and worked for WWE at the time. He at least can say he is a former champ and he actually worked there. I have no issue with Okada and I respect him but he just showed up and he gets a title match based off his reputation in another country? That makes no godddamn sense within Kayfabe. At least when Cody gave out title shots like Candy to non AEW wrestlers during the pandemic they at least called it an "open challenge". Here he shows up has a 6 man tag and gets a singles title shot? GTFO. AEW apologists love their rules for thee but not for me. ie LAAAAAAAAZY booking.
Uncle Dave can't start criticising AEW because he will lose the little audience he has and he will never attract the other side of the audience in return. Kenny said Jim had backed himself into a corner but ironically it's Dave who is in a corner
Not a bad take. I subscribe to the observer but mainly for the Alvarez podcasts don't even read the newsletter. Alvarez knows he still has an audience outside of the AEW die hards. The Dave fans are the small group that uses the message board. Which on any given day the first page of the pro wrestling section is 90% AEW threads.
I’ve never appreciated anything Alvarez has ever said any more than, “(in a very low monotone voice) Dave, that’s all fine and good. I think this is ridiculous,” HAHAHA!!
How Tony didnt win Booker of the Year again this year I have no idea. Dave spends 90% of the year blowing Tony, its weird that he didnt give him the ego boost
“But umm…y’know bad booking decisions have happened dozens of times in wrestling history, even with great bookers! So that makes bad booking good.” Dafuq?
FTR didn't just get beaten. They got beaten flat. They both got choked out after Moxley won the singles match. This wasn't a competitive back and forth feud where you're wanting to see that match up again and FTR putting a team over in the tournament doesn't mean anything at this point.
@@Justin-bo5pgin Collision when they were tag teams champions they got matches with The Horseworkmen and a made up tag team of Brian Cage and Big Bill before this last one was coupled with Ricky Starks...
@romelmunoz7957 and Ric Flair gave George South a competitive 13 minutes. Pro-wrestling is filled with underdogs who outperform what they normally do against a champion.
@@robertgustke652 another interchangeable guy who does flips that'll be replaced in two years by the next interchangeable guy who does flips. Meanwhile millions of people are watching Cody
@@jilujoilujiut2165 I'm just saying . Will is miles and miles ahead of Cody in every sense of the business. Could you imagine if he went WWE instead of shitty AEW . Holy crap that woulda been spectacular
There is only one logical conclusion to come to from Meltzer's constant defense of Khan...Meltzer is the co-booker with Khan. Has been since the beginning. Nothing else adds up, and explains why it's so personal to Dave when AEW is criticized.
@nickhughes8179 McMahon actually drew money and made memorable angles for stretches. Nice try, but they all follow whatever Dave says. It's obvious to anyone that's listened to Dave since he began 40+ years ago.
Meltzer says the only thing matters is making money, then twists himself into a pretzel to defend the booking decisions of a company that has never made money
I think I've figured it out. Alvarez has gone along with this whole Dave thing for years and he's finally having his Emperor has no clothes moment of realization of "oh this guy doesn't have some inspired insight that I'm just too inexperienced to understand, he's just insane."
Dave sounded like the Florida Gators fan in Big Trouble calling into the radio show just to say he was calling because they host said Gator fans never call in lol
Alvarez’s voice sounds like David cross’s voice. Anyone ever notice that? Right now I’m just imagining Dave from the chipmunks movie telling Meltzer that AEW doesn’t make sense lmao
So the biggest reward for winning the tournament, is too defend your newly won tag team championships against the guys that beat you before the tournament. Oh my.
The worst is the poor excuse from Meltzer going in a hypothetical conclusion that FTR are gonna win the tournament when everybody knows including Meltzer that they're not gonna win...
I think Jim ad Brian summed up wrestling perfectly with "justify to each other what cant be justified to the average person -- because it doesnt make sense to people without that mindset" "for the kind of people that like that kind of thing thats the kind of thing they like." Thats why some people love the territory days, some love the attitude era, some love indie darlings and some love whatever AEW is.
I remember when the Road Warriors didn't get booked in the 1987 Crockett Cup, because they won the year before, so they could challenge the SuperPowers at the GAB '87. FFS
@@ryanvazquez2301they get so many emails Your best bet on getting a reply would be to time travel to around the time alice left and brian last took over lol
If only TNA could have had Dave Meltzer defending them. It makes perfect sense for World Heavyweight Champion Eric Young to keep jobbing to a wrestler he won't be facing at the pay per view, Dave would argue!
Another Dave and Alvarez argument? Oh this is gonna be great. The only way it could be logical booking sense is the BCC take the fact they aren’t in the tournament and use that as fuel for a big run in the future but that’s still a stretch
Just wanted to give you a quick update that Uncle Dave is even more wrong now since the Bucks won the championship. Meanwhile I haven't seen Claudio or Moxley on Dynamite as tag team since then and so that still makes me wonder why FTR lost in the first place.
They lost so the Bitcharoos could take the belts from another team, burying that team, while avoiding more accusations of burying FTR. Weasel booking by Dave and the Bitcharoos
Dave is completely invested in defending AEW in all possible ways. He knows their audience is his audience and HE (not Jim Cornette) is desperate to stay relevant.
Dave knows that AEW is his last desperate attempt to stay relevant in the entire industry. he has no sources in WWE. He has no sources in New Japan. He doesn’t even cover UFC like he used to. Once AEW goes under, he will be writing about soccer.
Man, it is *really* concerning that *Bryan Alvarez* is the voice of reason in his relationship with Dave Meltzer. "It doesn't make logical sense, but it makes booking sense" does Dave ever listen to himself? That alone is such a nonsense sentence it automatically disqualifies anything else he says after it on the subject from being taken seriously. He's completely lost it, he is physically incapable of criticizing Tony Khan.
It's great how Dave made up a scenario to try and justify something stupid and it never happened. There was absolutely no good reason for the BBC to beat FTR
People who think Alvarez is as delussional as Meltzer probably don't listen to his shows, he's generally sympathetic towards AEW for sure but he's also been openly critical of a lot of things about it for a long time now
I've noticed lately that a lot of high profile AEW defenders (Dave, Conrad Thompson) now use the argument that when something is illogical, "I'm sure it'll get explained later and make sense." Which is perfect for them because by the time it isn't explained and doesn't make sense, people forget and have moved onto the next illogical thing. But Dave and others have also doubled down with whataboutisms of "well this was done in the past, so why are you complaining now." Put aside whether Dave is right or wrong about it being done in the past - who the fuck cares if it was done in the past, it's doesn't make it less stupid now. And Dave would have been the first guy to complain about this sort of stuff in the 80s and 90s. Anyway, I look forward to Bryan's full face turn and cutting a promo on Dave about interrupting him and not understanding sarcasm for all the years they were on the radio/podcasts. Tony Khan & Dave vs. Bryan & Vinnie is a money feud waiting to happen.
I've been a lifelong wrestling fan and can honestly say every time I've heard Meltzers opinion or voice its been entirely against my will. Until he actually contributes something to the business, he's just a fan. A very loud fan
(When the clip of Meltzer arguing about this and I wanted to hear Jim’s thoughts on this) I am not a spiritual man but I want you to know I prayed for this and it happened.
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The on and off Alvarez-Meltzer feud is better than any current feud in AEW.
It's frickin hysterical and absolutely compelling.
Yes! It's really entertaining 😂
"Better than AEW" really isn't saying much 😅
It's like a battle of wits between a professor and the village idiot.
Still only 3 stars though. So not that good.
@@JohnKobaRuddy This is a slow build up, you'll eat your words when they finish it off at the dome
I was hoping Alvarez would scream something like "IT'S NOT MY JOB!" again. 😅
IT'S NOT MY JOAAAAABBBBBBBBB!
ITS NOT MY JOOOOOOOOOAB DONT DEFEND TONY KHANS BOOKING
I would respect him more if he scream I QUITTTTT to Dave
I’m still praying for a new “golden boat” rant.
Fking classic
"It doesn't make logical sense, but it makes wrestling-booking sense." I can't. Aren't these supposed to be the same thing?
he's worked himself into a shoot, whats real is bs and whats bs with aew is real
Lmao, no. You don't seem to have been a wrestling fan for very long. 😂
Yes. Logic is logic. Period. There is no such thing as "alternative logic."
@@Rjensen2naw, logic is logic dude, you must just accept any bs Meltzer throws you
To be fair to Meltzer, WWE did some "wrestling-booking sense" themselves trying to shoehorn the Rock in Cody's wrestlemania spot just a few weeks ago, trying to make money instead of making sense. But that didn't work either, so he's still wrong.
The divorce is going to be brutal but I guess that means Lance Storm gets two christmases
😂😂
@@I-wont-read-your-replies Useless trash.
“If I could be serious for a minute, there are 12 days of Christmas, just ask my good friends Bob and Doug McKenzie”- Lance Storm probably
Lance will have to be the special referee in their match
Neither of them deserve to get stuck with the bucks in the divorce though
"It doesn't make logical sense" What the hell Dave?
It doesn't but it makes booking sense.
Well, at least Dave can now admit that AEW makes illogical decisions. Go back a few years(shit, maybe even months) and Dave would have claimed that something blatantly illogical, was absolutely logical just so as long as AEW did it. He's made some progress. 😆
Here from the future: Meltzer was completely wrong. Not only have BCC not been put in the tag title picture, the Young Bucks have not defended the titles at all since they won the tournament.
"Come to the dark side Chico..." I died.
Rest in peace
Good
“Hey, yo” 😎
The Alvarez face turn was unexpected. But man, find someone who love you as much Dave loves Tony.
Only a dog could love that unconditionally
Ngl, it got a bit of a pop from me.
Alvarez ain't drinking the Kool Aid anymore, clearly Uncle Dave still is.
Dave is absolutely chugging that shit, even tho it’s killing them.
I don't know that Alvarez was ever "drinking the Kool Aid"; it was just part of the act Bryan was performing on-air. He'd tailor his character to get the best "engagement" with whoever he was working with. The only tripping point was that Dave would eventually say something so moronic or frustrating that Bryan would feel forced to call it out. That's been going on for years, whether it was Bryan calling out Dave defending WWE or AEW.
Dave isn’t drinking the Koolaid, he’s making the Koolaid.
@@mrbadguysan Nah he's poisoning the koolaid
He’s on payroll
"It doesn't make logical sense, but..." should be the tagline for every decision that I make in life.
Well, recognising the problem is the first step to recovery...
You and AEW are alike in that fashion 😅
Good shit
After Rock's left Cody on Raw a bloody mess, there was some disturbance in the universe and Moxley woke up and decided to bleed all over the canvas like foot on a gas pedal. It'll be badass...Rocky 3.
JESUS!!!!!!😅😂😂
he was a sobbing mess knowing AEW couldn't put on a cinematic masterpiece like that lol
Moxley has a non contact stare down and starts bleeding
Look at the state of him physically compared to his shield brothers
Thanks now I need new pants. Rocky 3 line made me piss myself 😂
Dave has to defend it because he's come out multiple times claiming how every modern booker learned from him. In Tony's case, we'll Believe it
Dave for years has said he knew what was wrong with wrestling and had all the answers.
Tony has actually put Dave’s ideas into action and they are failing badly. He cannot criticise Tony as that would mean admitting he himself was wrong.
@@georgeh4171 Dave could have always said "I told you librarians were a bad idea!"
Bryan is hopefully starting to treat AEW like he treated TNA back in the day
And I am 100% here for it. That was always him at is best.
@@Ryusuta And he slowly is, oh bro his rant about the triple crown was like the best thing in a loong time hahaha 2009 tna / 2015 wcw vibes from alvarez. I wait for a new golden boat rant
It's good to see him snap out of the trance from time to time. Maybe there's hope for Super Chico...
I would be trying to eat my own feet and laugh hysterically at insects flying by if I had to listen to Dave Meltzer's word salad and brain farts every day. Or Tony Khan's, for that matter...
Aew is the manifestation of Meltzer's view how wrestling should be and how the business should be run. Tony listens to uncle Dave and that's why Davy is protecting marks business.
What a conversation it would be listening to 2 stuttering guys saying "great" to each other for an hour.
Umm uhhhh ummmm welllll
Eric Bischoff made a similar point on his podcast about what you're saying not too long ago
Same with all smarks online who all thought they knew how to make wrestling big again and how Vince was wrong. Turns out their ideas made wrestling even worse 😂
The moment Meltzer delivered the line "wrestling is all about making money" was the moment Meltzer destroyed whatever credibility he had left. I'm not disagreeing with that statement. What I mean is that he is basically doing a self own by making that statement.
Wrestling is all about making money, and Tony Khan is all about pissing away his family inheritance by signing WAY too many performers that don't move the needle at multi-million-dollar contracts (Adams Copeland/Cole/Page, Mercedes, Saraya, Osprey, Ibushi, Rainmaker, etc. etc. ETC.)
Of course it's a self-own....this is the dude who basically become a legend among smart marks for consistently shitting on the WWF(E) product during it's '80s heyday when it was making a boatload of money.
This is the same Dave Meltzer that insisted WWE was terrible despite how financially successful they are.
he says its about making money but shows obvious bias to a promotion where its decisions result in the company LOSING money
Eric Bischoff wrote a book called "Controversy Creates Cash".
Alvarez is doing a babyface turn like Jey Uso against The Bloodline😂
Now we need is Alvarez giving Uncle Dave a super kick and tell him, I quit
Alvarez has never been as bad as Dave come on now.
Calling them the BBC is a Jim Cornette masterclass
They lined themselves up for it, making the acronym letters that close.
Hangnail did it first.
On live tv
They wish they were BBC hahaha
It's low hanging fruit. How is it a masterclass?
@@aic8001 you mad?
Why does Meltzer and Alvarez’s conversation sound like they’re in a closet, under a bunker, using soup cans for communication?? Sheesh.
because last and cornette are using the free feed that comes up on youtube. these random clowns re-post WOR youtube, but instead of doing a direct re-upload of the audio, they record IN REAL TIME, the audio coming off their phone speaker, and upload that. do a search for wrestling observer radio, and sort it by "posted most recent" and "over 20 minutes" and listen. it's wild. then compare what you listened to the official clips that WO posts on their feeds.
Dave was just using the Chewbacca Defence
😂😂😂😂
@@ScottRen14 Only useless trash spams stupid shitty emojis.
@@Cruising_On_Lake_Havasoma slow down thunder thumbs & type that again so it makes a coherent sentence.
@@ScottRen14 Only. Worthless. Pieces. Of. Shit. Spam. Stupid. Shitty. Emojis.
That clear enough?
Settle down Francis @@Cruising_On_Lake_Havasoma
I'm guessing the Young Bucks have Dave wearing his rose tinted glasses as usual. Too difficult for him to bury anything they are involved with
It's men like Meltzer and Alvarez is why wrestling's IWC is so divided. Meltzer praises everything AEW does and I think Tony Khan is secretly paying him to praise his company.
Nah he's just a mega mark. He's doing it for free. Which is ironic because Tony will give anyone money
It’s no secret
As fkg if....it's the dipsht wrestling fans of today that is the problem. Meltzer has been like this for over 50 years.
@@SchnitzelCFCI genuinely think he'd do it for free too, but I doubt it. Tiny Khan't will still pay him. Tiny is the kind of boy to outbid himself at an auction.
@@SchnitzelCFC This. Tony Khan is the closest Meltzer will ever come to seeing all of his booking takes make it to a main stage, so when reality demonstrates in how bad the theories are in practice he gets super defensive and blames the fans for rejecting it/himself. An unhealthy amount of his identity is tied to AEW.
You had me at "Jim and Brian dunking on Dave and Bryan"
This is the real tag team dream match we all want to see.
Alvarez is on a heroic redemption arc by doing nothing other than being less stupid than Meltzer
Find a lawyer that defends you as hard as Dave Meltzer defends AEW.
“It doesn’t make logical sense”
Yes Dave that’s the issue
“Doesn’t make logical sense but it makes wrestling sense” WTF!!!!!
Now i'm just imagining Punk listening to this with a glass of Pepsi in his hand, lol.
He’s for sure one of us. 🤣
He will probably injure himself lifting the can.
DerpHenderson
At least he can lift the can. Your heroes Jackie, Matty and Nicky couldn’t lift that can combined if it was empty.
@@nickhughes8179Give it a month now, they'll lose to a can of soda on tv. And they'll cry that the can's merch will sell better 😄
From here on out when Dave tells us something doesn't make logical sense in a WWE booking, we can just say yeah well it makes wrestling sense so it's ok
The thing Dave is not acknowledging is that generally you cover nonsensical booking with a storyline that makes sense of it to the audience. "BCC couldn't participate because Claudio already committed to a yodeling competition in Switzerland" or something. BCC beat FTR in humiliating fashion and then disappeared for the tournament.
The same Tony Khan that lost his mind that Jinder Mahal got a title shot out of the blue, but then gives Okada a title shot and title win in his FIRST singles match with the company as a regular member of the roster.
That’s kind of different. Jinder was off tv for over a year and has been a jobber for most of his career, while Okada had been wrestlings Final Boss for about 5 years.
The key things was that nobody cared about Jinder and he wasn’t relevant, while Okada is always in the spotlight and is a favorite among wrestling fans, eapecially the ones that watch japanese wrestling.
I get what you’re trying to say, but it doesn’t work here when comparing Jinder to Okada lol
Jinder whether you care about him or not is a former WWE World Champion and worked for WWE at the time. He at least can say he is a former champ and he actually worked there.
I have no issue with Okada and I respect him but he just showed up and he gets a title match based off his reputation in another country? That makes no godddamn sense within Kayfabe. At least when Cody gave out title shots like Candy to non AEW wrestlers during the pandemic they at least called it an "open challenge". Here he shows up has a 6 man tag and gets a singles title shot? GTFO.
AEW apologists love their rules for thee but not for me. ie LAAAAAAAAZY booking.
I like how jinder is back to being gone again 😂
@@coldnightmare199 He'll be back. Don't hinder Jinder 😂😂
@@opinionatortv6457 and he's gone
Uncle Dave can't start criticising AEW because he will lose the little audience he has and he will never attract the other side of the audience in return. Kenny said Jim had backed himself into a corner but ironically it's Dave who is in a corner
Not a bad take. I subscribe to the observer but mainly for the Alvarez podcasts don't even read the newsletter. Alvarez knows he still has an audience outside of the AEW die hards. The Dave fans are the small group that uses the message board. Which on any given day the first page of the pro wrestling section is 90% AEW threads.
I’ve never appreciated anything Alvarez has ever said any more than, “(in a very low monotone voice) Dave, that’s all fine and good. I think this is ridiculous,” HAHAHA!!
Alvarez said that like he was talking to on of his daughters. The tone of it made it so much more savage rather than screaming at him.
Omg Dave is gonna defend AEW until the bitter end. 😂😂😂😂😂 Tonys booking is so perfect in his eyes. Wow. He is living a delusion.
💰 💰 💰 💰
How Tony didnt win Booker of the Year again this year I have no idea. Dave spends 90% of the year blowing Tony, its weird that he didnt give him the ego boost
Just remember how AEW started in the first place and you'll have a reason for Meltzer's opinions
@@davidyya2399DavEW
@@beeaveragegaming3482 Idiot trash.
6:36 Alvarez's line will become meme-able.
The build towards Alvarez's face turn was pretty good so far
True long term booking, at last 😂
New super faction......... The Blackpool bang bang scissor gang
How about “Callis and Jericho’s Undisputed Elite blackpool bang bang scissor kingdom”
Least Preston is close to Blackpool
Merge hob and best friends and you could book Blackpool bang bang scissor gang vs the black house for imaginary best friends
The reason why Meltzer isn't criticizing Tony Khan because Tony Khan is booking the show for Meltzer to enjoy.
Alvarez seeing the light on AEW the past few months has been hilarious
Dave Meltdown should be in a nursing home by now. He's clearly lost his mind
Uncle Dave and Bryan arguing? That's better than breakfast
"It doesn't make logical sense, it makes Tony Khan booking sense"
That's what he is trying to say. Which is the same thing 🙃
Now if had said THAT, I could at least understand where Dave was coming from.
He’s not here to make sense, he’s here to make friends. 😂
“But umm…y’know bad booking decisions have happened dozens of times in wrestling history, even with great bookers! So that makes bad booking good.” Dafuq?
FTR didn't just get beaten. They got beaten flat. They both got choked out after Moxley won the singles match. This wasn't a competitive back and forth feud where you're wanting to see that match up again and FTR putting a team over in the tournament doesn't mean anything at this point.
But just remember these are the same FTR who liked to had long competitive matches with jobbers when they were the tag team champions...
@romelmunoz7957 what job team did they have competitive matches with?
@@Justin-bo5pgin Collision when they were tag teams champions they got matches with The Horseworkmen and a made up tag team of Brian Cage and Big Bill before this last one was coupled with Ricky Starks...
@romelmunoz7957 and Ric Flair gave George South a competitive 13 minutes. Pro-wrestling is filled with underdogs who outperform what they normally do against a champion.
South was really good at what he did and Flair wanted to in AEW speak “give George South his flowers!”
"That doesn't logical sense but wrestling booking sense."
He has legit brain damage.
Good ole Uncle Dave and friends!!!
Unrelated: JB is holding it down as HBK’s right hand man in NXT. That video package for Trick and Melo was pure CINEMA!
JB? I'm drawing a blank
Jeremy Borash
@@Snakeman612 Jeremy Borash
@@vapeymcvape5000 thanks couldn't remember for the life of me
Name sounds familiar. Is that the gentleman behind broken Matt
It’s so crazy that most iwc and so-called experts want to be the booker, but listening to Jim you realize how complex booking is in the long run.
They have to cover Dave saying Ospreay is better at everything than Cody. 😂
Ospreay is miles better than Cody in every sense of the business! Cody sucks.
Cody is boring .
#wedontwantcody
@@robertgustke652 another interchangeable guy who does flips that'll be replaced in two years by the next interchangeable guy who does flips. Meanwhile millions of people are watching Cody
@@teus33bitch if ospreay was in WWE it wouldn't even be close . He would immediately take Cody spot . He's that good.
@@robertgustke652Cool you stand over there with the 700k watching ostrich . Ill stand over here with the 3.2 mill watching cody
@@jilujoilujiut2165 I'm just saying . Will is miles and miles ahead of Cody in every sense of the business. Could you imagine if he went WWE instead of shitty AEW . Holy crap that woulda been spectacular
Tony Khan and his madness
Beginning to drive people crazy 🤣🤣
Cornette the cuxck is already there
There is only one logical conclusion to come to from Meltzer's constant defense of Khan...Meltzer is the co-booker with Khan. Has been since the beginning.
Nothing else adds up, and explains why it's so personal to Dave when AEW is criticized.
That’s what I think
His booking is represented by the Vince McManlet brothers, Matty-Vince and Nicky-Vince McManlet.
@nickhughes8179 McMahon actually drew money and made memorable angles for stretches.
Nice try, but they all follow whatever Dave says. It's obvious to anyone that's listened to Dave since he began 40+ years ago.
Bryan Alvarez trying to fight the brain rot. It's admirable but maybe a little too late.
He had to watch every Nitro.
Would rot anyone's brain
Meltzer says the only thing matters is making money, then twists himself into a pretzel to defend the booking decisions of a company that has never made money
I think I've figured it out. Alvarez has gone along with this whole Dave thing for years and he's finally having his Emperor has no clothes moment of realization of "oh this guy doesn't have some inspired insight that I'm just too inexperienced to understand, he's just insane."
Dave sounded like the Florida Gators fan in Big Trouble calling into the radio show just to say he was calling because they host said Gator fans never call in lol
When Meltzer talks it sounds like he has a jolly rancher in his mouth😂😂💀
It’s a dark day in my household… I have uttered the phrase “I agree with Bryan Alvarez”
May God have mercy on our souls the end times are here.
Still waiting for Bucks Vs Mox/Claudio
Alvarez’s voice sounds like David cross’s voice. Anyone ever notice that? Right now I’m just imagining Dave from the chipmunks movie telling Meltzer that AEW doesn’t make sense lmao
So the biggest reward for winning the tournament, is too defend your newly won tag team championships against the guys that beat you before the tournament. Oh my.
The worst is the poor excuse from Meltzer going in a hypothetical conclusion that FTR are gonna win the tournament when everybody knows including Meltzer that they're not gonna win...
Starman doing his Lanny Poffo?
I love when Brian and Jim cackle over Mom and Dad bickering. 🤣
These drawings are the real MVP
Travis is a modern artistic genius.
Not really
@@coldnightmare199 🎻
If Dave Meltzer hadn't lost all credibility already, this has to drain what's left.
I think Jim ad Brian summed up wrestling perfectly with "justify to each other what cant be justified to the average person -- because it doesnt make sense to people without that mindset" "for the kind of people that like that kind of thing thats the kind of thing they like."
Thats why some people love the territory days, some love the attitude era, some love indie darlings and some love whatever AEW is.
By Dave's logic, the Ravens should've played the Lions in the Super Bowl.
"you don't understand".
No Dave, we don't. That's exactly the point everyone is trying to make! Because it doesn't make any goddamn sense!
I remember when the Road Warriors didn't get booked in the 1987 Crockett Cup, because they won the year before, so they could challenge the SuperPowers at the GAB '87. FFS
I asked Meltzer a question yesterday on a livestream about Riiiiiiiihhhhhhhhhhhooooooooooooooooooo I hope they get the audio and talk about it😂
Nab it yourself and send it to them
@@JohnKobaRuddy they never reply
@@ryanvazquez2301they get so many emails
Your best bet on getting a reply would be to time travel to around the time alice left and brian last took over lol
If only TNA could have had Dave Meltzer defending them. It makes perfect sense for World Heavyweight Champion Eric Young to keep jobbing to a wrestler he won't be facing at the pay per view, Dave would argue!
Another Dave and Alvarez argument? Oh this is gonna be great. The only way it could be logical booking sense is the BCC take the fact they aren’t in the tournament and use that as fuel for a big run in the future but that’s still a stretch
Who wants to see The BCC anymore anyways
*BBC
Just wanted to give you a quick update that Uncle Dave is even more wrong now since the Bucks won the championship. Meanwhile I haven't seen Claudio or Moxley on Dynamite as tag team since then and so that still makes me wonder why FTR lost in the first place.
They lost so the Bitcharoos could take the belts from another team, burying that team, while avoiding more accusations of burying FTR.
Weasel booking by Dave and the Bitcharoos
_"it doesn't make logical sense"_
Dave is completely invested in defending AEW in all possible ways. He knows their audience is his audience and HE (not Jim Cornette) is desperate to stay relevant.
Dave knows that AEW is his last desperate attempt to stay relevant in the entire industry. he has no sources in WWE. He has no sources in New Japan. He doesn’t even cover UFC like he used to. Once AEW goes under, he will be writing about soccer.
Dave is a very regarded individual. Very, very regarded indeed.
Alvarez' progressive attitude of, "nobody is as smart as me and I'm so exasperated!" is so grating.
Maybe that’s why Dave takes the stances he takes at times..to fuck with Alvarez
Man, it is *really* concerning that *Bryan Alvarez* is the voice of reason in his relationship with Dave Meltzer. "It doesn't make logical sense, but it makes booking sense" does Dave ever listen to himself? That alone is such a nonsense sentence it automatically disqualifies anything else he says after it on the subject from being taken seriously. He's completely lost it, he is physically incapable of criticizing Tony Khan.
It's great how Dave made up a scenario to try and justify something stupid and it never happened. There was absolutely no good reason for the BBC to beat FTR
People who think Alvarez is as delussional as Meltzer probably don't listen to his shows, he's generally sympathetic towards AEW for sure but he's also been openly critical of a lot of things about it for a long time now
Meltzer is so bad for pro wrestling
He’s anal cancer, and the Bucks are the Polyps.
Why would the champions look to challenge anyone? Especially BCC?
Get yourself someone who will defend you to the end the way Dave defends Tony Khan.
NOW DAVE IS SAYING HE NEVER SAID AEW WOULD MAKE MONEY IN ITS FIRST FIVE YEARS.
I'm shaken with how much sense Bryan Alvarez is making and me agreeing with him.
As a observer subscriber 20 years this was Gold I nearly died listening this live😂
Was waiting on this one, "ITS NOT MY JOB!" Part 2 😂😂😂😂
I've noticed lately that a lot of high profile AEW defenders (Dave, Conrad Thompson) now use the argument that when something is illogical, "I'm sure it'll get explained later and make sense." Which is perfect for them because by the time it isn't explained and doesn't make sense, people forget and have moved onto the next illogical thing.
But Dave and others have also doubled down with whataboutisms of "well this was done in the past, so why are you complaining now." Put aside whether Dave is right or wrong about it being done in the past - who the fuck cares if it was done in the past, it's doesn't make it less stupid now. And Dave would have been the first guy to complain about this sort of stuff in the 80s and 90s.
Anyway, I look forward to Bryan's full face turn and cutting a promo on Dave about interrupting him and not understanding sarcasm for all the years they were on the radio/podcasts. Tony Khan & Dave vs. Bryan & Vinnie is a money feud waiting to happen.
I've been a lifelong wrestling fan and can honestly say every time I've heard Meltzers opinion or voice its been entirely against my will.
Until he actually contributes something to the business, he's just a fan. A very loud fan
Jim we love ya in Staffordshire England!
I can imagine losing sanity trying to argue perspective with Dave.
I love how Alvarez and Meltzer clearly dislike each other but have to pretend to stick together since nobody else would want to hire them 😂😂😂😂
And they’re tied together by their show being their livelihood the most of all their other endeavors
Dave out here making me agree with Alvarez....what a World!
Hearing meltzer say that wrestling is about making money when AEW has not made one green dollar in its existence.... Fascinating.
For the first time ever hearing Meltzer I am glad I waited for this era/version of him because now I don't want to stop listening to this
Looking at the thumbnail, I thought "Where's Corny?? It's his podcast. So why isn't--" And then I found him! 😂😅😆
Hey, these illustrations compiled as a Wheres Waldo style book...quick ™ that 😂
Me once Jim mentions Hee-Haw: "You met another and (makes fart noises with my mouth) you were gone!"
To defend Tony, Uncle Dave would bury wrestling and everything it stands for.
(When the clip of Meltzer arguing about this and I wanted to hear Jim’s thoughts on this)
I am not a spiritual man but I want you to know I prayed for this and it happened.
Alvarez is either in the midst of a babyface turn or him and Dave have started a new "good cop, bad cop" gimmick.
Alvarez versus Meltzer with special referee the PLUMBER 😮
( crazzzzy booking)⁉️
Can anyone please translate what Meltzer is saying please? Unfortunately I'm not fluent in gibberish.
YES! It's about time we have a tournament in AEW!
It's like listening to Mr Leahy from the Trailer Park Boys
The shit winds are coming for AEW and Tony Khan😂
It's wild that the bucks after all their dramas are still so high up in the company still when they shouldn't even be in it.
What I find hilarious
The Bucks are a pair of Birther conspiracist, Christian, Trump supporters, and Christian Trump supporters even hate them!!