installed the timeshift-bin timeshift-autosnap gurb-btrfs packages in ArcoLinux, a backup copy is created automatically before each update. Always if something can be rolled back.
Tumbleweed is my daily driver, most stable rolling distro I have ever used. One reason is they way they update it.. when a package gets an update they update most of if not all the related packages before it gets pushed out.. some rolling distros.. cough cough ARCH will release a package update without updating/rebuilding the related packages alot of times.. tends to cause issues tbh
Would you say it would be suitable as a small office server? I'm looking for a solid rolling release distro to recommend to clients, and Slackware ain't it.
@@eriksiers I would recommend it yes.. I mean considering its rolling release just they way they update the packages makes it super stable, I have never had it break after months of use, but as its a rolling release just make sure the snapshot feature is turned on make it easy to ever recover if a server setting were to break
Leap is OpenSuse's parallel product with phased rollout that follows Tumbleweed, and might be a better choice for clients. I use both and I would agree that each is rock-solid.
I remember back in the VERY early 2000's installing Linux for the first time : it was SuSE 6.2 (not even called "open SuSE" at this time, released in 1999). ISDN was top notch tech for home (imagine, giving phone calls at the freaking same time you connect to the Internet !!!), and I also remembering spending 3 evenings trying (and acheiving) to configure my modem by sending it character strings I reached for in the man pages... How proud I was ! I have to say, I really liked the experience at this time. As time went by, I left Linux and came back to it from time to time, and started to daily drive Linux since about 3 years now. I'm "the eternal noob" kind of guy, got not much time to learn, but damn, Garuda satisfies me. But Matt, you give me the desire to try Open SuSE again; maybe on a VM. Greetings from an 48 years old schmuck from Switzerland !
We used to have a group of students where we took turns in buying the SuSE updates on CD since we only had 56k modems and university computers only could write to floppy disks. 5.0 was the first one, and I still have a couple of installation CD sets somewhere up to 8.something.
I first installed SuSe 6 in 1998. I spent a weekend trying to get it to work on my PC, but never looked back and stopped using Windows ever since. Moved to Debian, then Ubuntu, now Arch EndevourOS.
I was a RedHat user at the end of the 90s but switched to SuSE some time around 2000 and yes, version 6 was my earliest version. I used SuSE on and off after that until V8 when I was out of work and tended to use RISC OS 4 on my Acorn RISC PCs. It was a few years later that I tried to use SuSE again on a rebuilt Dell but found that the version I had wouldn't load as it wouldn't see SATA drives so I grabbed a new version, 10.2, the first to feature the name openSUSE and found it worked pretty well. I've been using openSUSE ever since, including the machine that I am currently using to type this in which is openSUSE 15.5. The only time I moved from openSUSE was when I tried to use Linux MINT Sarah but that went bad on me, uninstalling most of my GUI when I tried to install a specific package so in the end I shifted back to openSUSE. I should mention that I tend to use KDE 3.5.10, a personal preference as I was never a fan of Plasma and KDE 4 was always a bit bloated and slow in some cases. The only other change that I've made is where I no longer use openSUSE as a server - I changed to a NAS a few months ago, namely TrueNAS. I think that the whole quibble about zypper is a bit of a nitpick though if you really want to make an issue of zypper I could make an issue of systemd which I've never liked.
I'm in this struggle to choose my perfect distro, in the last few months I've tested PopOS, Nobara, Fedora, EndeavorOS, Garuda and OpenSUSE. And I confess that I tested SUSE after watching your videos, and I think the distro is wonderful and I finally found my distro Thanks for your videos. For me the Garuda and OpenSuse TW is the best Greetings from an 51years old from Brasil! :D
Lol I tried all of these on my Linux journey except Garuda. I just wish openSUSE had a bit more software. Fedora has everything I need and ofc Arch. But I will always come back to openSUSE TW. Stability, btrFS Snapper by default, great security it's just too convinient to give up.
Hi Matt, thank you for all of your videos! It’s great to hear your perspective. I use openSUSE as well and have found it to be very stable. In case you were wondering, the camera issue you are having when you give your thumbs up in your video is not a focus issue, but an issue of exposure. The camera is most likely set to an automatic exposure function (or auto ISO) which determines how sensitive the sensor is. You can see in the video that when you raise your white hand, the blacks in your shirt get darker. This is because the camera is trying to maintain a consistent exposure value. To get rid of this, you would need to make sure the camera is set to manual, then you can determine the ISO, aperture, and depth of field you want without any values changing in the frame. Hope this helps. Glad you have your power back!
I switched from Mandrake to SUSE Linux Professional 9.1 around 2004 as my main desktop os. When they split off openSUSE, I switched to that and still use it and am happy with it too.
openSUSE TW is my daily driver and has been for a few years now. I've had all AMD systems and a mixed system (AMD/Nvidia) currently and it's been nothing but rock solid for me. I understand other people with other configurations have had issues and I fully respect that. openSUSE put a end to my chronic distro hopping. I still test other distros and even really like MX Linux and Solus but openSUSE is always my go to for reliability. If a idiot like myself can run it and game. stream etc. on it anyone can LOL.
I've ran Linux Mint for over 3 years, updates and all wasn't too bad. I've used Open Suse but never took enough time to even customize my Conky but now this has got me stoked to try it again! Thanks man!
Definitely one of the most underrated. Rolling with faster DE Updates than anyone else. One of the biggest Libraries. Rock stable with easy rollback. The only thing I don't like. Takes forever to set up a minimal install and keep it minimal. Second. The only Distro I used that won't print out of the box with my printer and it is not that easy to fix it
Canon Pixma MG 3053 I don't use it that often so I just boot up any Linix Distro from a Ventoy stick and print my stuff there. Did not set it up one Tumbleweed yet
@@Qyngali Your answer about Canon is somehow not showing anymore. I see part of it in my Notifications but can't read all of it. Yeah Canon is probably proprietary but it just works on every other Distro I used (mostly Ubuntu based). And the help I get from Tumbleweed is just resulting in an error.
i have tried various distros on my life, Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, Kurumin, Big Linux, Slackware, Alpine, OpenSuSe, Debian, CentOS, Oracle Linux and others. with OpenSuse i have instability with Tumbleweed, but, it's expected for a rolling release distro, after that i migrate to Leap 15.5 and now on Leap 15.6, very stable, a good compatibility with my Dell laptops, and i like the app instalation with flatpak as default. for stability i recomend the OpenSuSe Leap,
It's rather good. I'm using it in the form of a 'gaming distro', RegataOS which appears to use components from Tumbleweed and Leap - this may not sound good but it is a project that has existed many years in Brazil and is said to have very competent developers. Very stable and totally painless installation and great performance of Mass Effect Andromeda. (I run it together with win 11 and the Devuan based Peppermint OS, separate partitions ofc)
Fedora has a policy to not ship any updates with breaking changes within a single release which for example caused Sway to be stuck on an older version in Fedora 37 or 36 iirc. Not sure if this could possibly be the reason for older i3 in repos because it seems i3 hardly changes but who knows
I did try OpenSUSE Tumbleweed just because I don't like Arch. I had some great month of flawless working machine, then some update crashed down on me and I didn't even know where to start searching for error. Thats when I found out you need a root partition that is big enough. If you don't have that the snapper/btrfs snapshots is not available. I didn't want to mess around anymore so I just rebooted into my at that point very old Debian Sid install, booted just fine and updated without issues. So I will just stay on Debian Sid. Even though it's not recommended as a daily driver, it still works way better than both Arch and OpenSuSE tumbleweed for me.
Gecko Linux is based on opensuse and even though their iso is more than 1 year old, all the packages still get updated without any issues after install. Try doing that on an arch based distro.
I'm a long term Debian user, since the 90s. I've tried OpenSuse Tumbleweed some years ago, without too much expectations, really. I was surprised! I've never used Debian ever since, not because Debian is bad, but because OpenSuse is truly amazing!
You're a good ambassador! You have done more in your videos to convince me to take openSUSE seriously than anyone ever has. I am probably going to try it with my next machine.
OpenSUSE is the only Linux distro that I wouldn't even think twice about trusting my life to. I'm not even talking SLE, I'm talking OpenSUSE (Leap specifically), which thankfully shares the same bulletproof codebase as SLE. For nearly 3 decades, I've continually come back to SUSE after trying other distros. Noting else even comes close to SUSE for me.
OpenSuse Tumbleweed ended my distro hopping. Stable rolling release, YasT, Snapper and I found it to be my favorite KDE spin of all distros. Very good for gaming too specially AMD GPUs, it took me 1-2 hours max to get it ready for gaming from a fresh install and running everything butter smooth. It's just a combination of my favorite tools and release policy into one distro. Very underrated!
yep, TW cured my distro hopping a couple years ago. ran it for a year straight without any major problems. ended up hopping off it for Nobara and am on Debian right now but it'll always be my trusty fallback. when i circle back around to it one day i'll go with Leap instead of TW though. i'm pretty over rolling distros. when Deb12 starts getting a little long in the tooth i'll probably try out an immutable distro. Vanilla looks pretty cool. then after that inevitably fails go back to opensuse. ...or maybe gentoo lol
Lol what? Tumbleweed cured your distro hopping but then you hopped to Nobara, then you hopped to Debian, and if you ever come back to openSuse it will be Leap, not tumbleweed.. did I understand that right? Lol
I compiled libre office suite, rust, kernel, perl, firefox and thunderbird here recently. Matt, that upgrade took less time than zypper. Now, it was 100+ packages, not 1k+ like you. But I'm shocked my update over this weekend was faster than yours. My internet is trash. I miss having fiber. 30ish mbps average download speed. You are right about OpenSuse being underrated/slept on. I remember getting the releases in Linux mags or in those thick Linux books my dad would buy.
Your download speed was faster maybe because of the distance between the servers and your location as he said. For me, The download speed seems faster. Perhaps because I'm not so far from Germany.
For me no distro work with hibernation except Debian 12. The problem is that after copel of day 2-3 days when computer woke up the graphics looks like 1024 color instead of 16.5 miljon and the only fix is hard reset of computer. The computer is pure AMD with AMD 3950x and 6900 graphics. All of the big 20 distro has this problem except Debian 12 works perfect
@petersz2379 Have you compiled a custom kernel? I used to find that would fix my hardware weirdness, before I upgraded my computer to one that the standard Slackware kernel likes.
I really wanted to try it. But after 2 failed attempts at installing via non-network iso where it never got past something called udev. And then 2 attempts at network iso where it wouldn't give me a choice to pick the completely empty 2nd drive in my laptop. Insisted on making space on my Windows drive and installing it there, and I couldn't figure out how to make it pick the 2nd drive. I gave up. I mean I've installed MANY different distros and I've never had that problem. Why fight with a crappy installer when there's hundreds of other distros that actually work.
Almost talks me into trying openSUSE again. A while back I tried it when I got a new laptop, but had some issues getting the audio to work. Being close to the start of the semester I decided to return to my trusty Ubuntu. The hardware in question happen to be a S76 and was not planning to use pop because it felt like a buntu flavor, but decided to give it a shot. I have to say that I did end up liking it tho.
Hi, liked the video very much, I like openSUSE too. I think that the reason it's hard to get support on forums might be a question of being monolingual. There're many places to get forum support in other languages such as french, spanish and especially german. Watched all the way through. Again, great video.
If I remember right, my issue with OpenSuSE was updates. This was several years ago and updates would come in as individual updates as well as packages. The individual ones would not install if there were prereq's. You had to figure out which in the list was the package and then get it to install. Eventually, I just gave up on it. I had a list of updates that I could not get to install and I switched to another. Has this been corrected in newer iterations of the distro?
My only problem with it is that my computer has big problem starting the newer kernel with grub and every tuto did nothing I would also like to point out. That part of the problem (from what I found) is that they, like many other distros, didn't respect grub spec on the emplacement of their grub config in uefi. The spec demand to put them in a folder named Linux, not one of the name of the distro. And grub don't want to update their config generator, so support custom emplacement.
From what I can tell (new Linux user here who actually opted to try out openSUSE first), it's developed in Germany and certain things about the system appear to be pretty "archaic" or more obtuse than on other distros. In particular stuff like video codecs or the YaST manager not supporting Flatpak even though it's integrated in SUSE. I did like your more positive insight on it than other people I watched so far. Just trying to see what system I am dealing with
I tried it multiple times. I really wanted to like OpenSuSe. But everytime something else was broken or broke shortly after install. Although some of it were not Suses fault but KDEs. Nothing that wasn't fixable, but Linux Mint just gives me a smoother out of the Box experience and "just works". The last time was two years ago so it might be much better now, but I have stopped distro hopping since. That being said, I just love your theme.
Sounds like more of a KDE problem, and I've had similar experiences. I've used and wanted to like KDE several times on different distros, and it's great for a week or so, then it starts showing what a buggy mess it really is. I installed Tumbleweed initially with KDE, but switched to GNOME and have had zero issues. If you don't like GNOME, there's plenty of desktop options on openSUSE.
As an openSUSE user since 2005 I can confirm I do not talk alot about it. Despite the title of my videos. But in forums, social media or when helping people with Linux stuff I do not advertise it. I respect their choice, try to help them as best as I can on the distro they're currently using but I do not try to convince them to switch. Apparently when somebody ask me directly what distribution I would recommend it's apparently openSUSE but I do not if not ask for it. Or if someone tries to convince me to switch I can get vocal about openSUSE and ultimately convince most ppl that there is no need to switch. Neither for me or them. 😅 Also it is a common phenomenon for openSUSE that we are very quiet about it and know ppl will stop by eventually and then like it. Just as you do . I believe the mindset of the avg. openSUSE user is that forcing or constantly trying to convince ppl will more likely turn them off. But if they join on their own they are more likely to stay.
Good hardware support in a distribution usually down to there being a partially rolling hardware stack AND updated ISOs. Usually this means a recent kernel and graphics stack (mainly mesa). However some other components that would be optimal to update on stable distributions like Ubuntu and Linux Mint would be hplip to support newer HP printers, sane for scanners (probably the least important component), and maybe audio. There can sometimes be graphics components that can be a problem related to wifi and/or cellular modems. The network manager most distros use broke things at certain points and there are some rare distributions for things like the Raspberry Pi that don't include a graphical applet/desktop environment with support for cellular modems. The other thing that isn't really the distributions fault is that of manufacturers and why I highly recommend avoiding AMD and NVIDIA if you want a good user experience. The propriety drivers get in the way of things working properly and distributions being able to PROPERLY support said hardware. It's not that some distributions don't have hacks to make said hardware work, but that's a poor solution to the manufacturers being crap at supporting or enabling support for their hardware.
OpenSUSE has been my daily driver for years, although I prefer the Leap releases. To me its the perfect mix between being up to date without being so bleeding edge as to risk stability. I also really like the flexibility of the installer. Proper MPEG4 codecs and Nvidia drivers are not available by default, but they make enabling the necessary repositories to get them super easy in Yast. All in all, I really like it.
Never notice any lag or slow updates with zypper. But I live not far from many repos comparatively (Norway) So I would suspect the US servers for your experience.
I installed open suse leap. I am testing it for 2 hours. Installation was too difficult. There was cli installation, no gui. Then I couldn't install it. I googled it and I configured grub text to open gui installation. After waiting for more than 1 hour for "drivers are loading " installation gui appeared and I installed. First it doesn't power off soon. I sometimes wait for 1 minute to shut it down. Another problem is Yast Sound. When I tried to choose quick installation, sound doesn't work. I will try to configure alsa. If the sound doesn't work I will go back fedora.
With the package downloads - is there a way that the package manager can figure out which packages can download the fastest and sort them out first before it begins downloading any? I see it get hung up on one or two downloading slowly in the beginning while others afterwards shoot by fast.
I've always wanted to try OpenSuSE but never got around to it. I've been using Linux as my main for like 10 years now. Started with Ubuntu then Debian, Fedora for like a few months then Manjaro for the past 2 years :D OS has always been on my list to try one day :D
I'd say the thing about uninstalling the DE that comes by default with the distro you are running, well mainly be prepared for the next boot to be to a CLI login prompt until / unless another DE is installed. More specifically I guess it depends on whether the uninstall also removes your default greeter and/or login manager. You can explicitly mark those packages to remain installed if you want to keep the same greeter during a transition, unless itself depends on the DE. But to the point you were making, yes it's great that simple or automatic snapshot creation allows you to be bolder about trying out changes knowing your can roll right back to a working setup. And for those trying out new distributions in a virtual machine, it's a reminder that you can benefit from the VM Manager's snapshot-ing abilities regardless of whethe the guest OS provides them.
At the end there you know your own setup better than us but on the 1080p playback it looks like it's merely exposure adjusting to bright reflection of your light reflecting from your thumb looming large in the frame and darkening the image rather than the camera changing the focus. There's another reflection in the monitor on the back wall that it is also compensating for depending whether you block it in the foreground.
In a techhut video I watched earlier he said he could not connect to the internet after installing suse. I may be unclear as to what setup caused this but now I am wondering how prevalent this is. You said you had no issues in this area. How was your setup different from his?
I'm all for giving it a try, thanks for the suggestion! I always spin up new distros on Virtualbox for a test run, and if I really like it, I'll install it onto my main computer.
i have several computers on several different desks and all of em have a different distro so i stay up to date on hows this or that distro nowadays. those are mainly, mint, fedora, manjaro and thumbleweed or ubuntu sometimes. One computer now has zorin.
Im appalled the snapshot functionallity is not builtin or easily installable on other distros (not counting immutable ofc) cause its so useful but a pain to setup manually
Hello Mathew, is it possible to share you configuration for your UI or a video on how you set it up would be awesome, thank you and love how informative this is 👏
I thought I'd shoot my shot here, is there a way in open suse to use AMD AMF without installing the entirety of the AMD pro driver since for me it ruins game performance.
What I noticed with Fedora is that it’s really meant to download updates automatically in the background, at which point slow mirrors don’t matter too much. Does openSUSE have similar automatic update mechanisms?
It's also worth mentioning that openSUSE is probably the best distro for running a private server or any kind "serious" use, now that CentOS is dead. openSUSE is based on SLES binaries so it's no surprise that it's super stable.
I get a lot of lag on youtube in opensuse tumbleweed. 1080p60fps is choppy with nothing else open on my ryzen 5 2600 rx 580 gaming rig. No clue why, maybe its my codecs?
@@TheLinuxCast Yes I installed the codecs. The lag is only present on my main rig and it's both on Firefox and brave. It's strange but I think I'll try to tackle it tomorrow
Since you're using a window manager and not a DE the update thing is probably a smoother process. on Opensuse Plasma updating from discovery tends not to work that well. I've also had to *flatpak update* in terminal to get those to update sometimes. But I personally don't mind having to type it into terminal instead of just clicking update when it pops up. Yes... Zypper can be slow as bawls more often than not.
@TheLinuxCast I had to use yast once after not turning on and updating for 3 weeks. Other than that *sudo zypper up* has updated no issues. There were two packages that would not update unless I used yast that one time. 🤷
@@TheLinuxCast my only problem with YaST compared to other GUI is that I find it more confusing to find which package i should install sometimes (not helped by opensuse unique naming convention). Even so one of the biggest advantage of GUI should be discoverability and clarity. (i think pamac of arch is the cream of the top of GUI because it shows the optional dependency, the dependency that will be installed, and if there is an error the complete error message)
@@VektrumSimulacrumnever use zypper up on TW, use zypper dup. If you're on Leap though, use up unless you're doing a version upgrade where you manually update the repo from 15.4 to 15.5 as an example. Using zypper up on TW can cause a lot of problems, and unfortunately YAST online update only does the equivalent of zypper up so you should never use it on TW. This is my biggest gripe with TW, they should either change the way YAST update works or just disable it on TW...
@@Qyngali sudo zypper dup is the command that caused me the problems... donno what to tell you 🤷♂️Since I don't have to use it until tomorrow I'll try it again. Last time I did that...well lets just say glad tumbleweed can restore from btrfs snapshot.
Hardware-wise, couldn't get it to work properly on an Acer Chromebook 14. It would boot, but the keyboard wouldn't work at all. Fedora though, everything worked. Using the snapshots sadly doesn't always restore everything. I broke my sound leading to a dummy output problem after attempting to install PipeWire on Mint Mate recently. Reverted back to earlier snapshot and sound still wouldn't work. Ended up replacing distro with Ubuntu Mate 23.04, and the already installed PipeWire works perfectly.
Make sure you create snapshots when it matters and you should be fine. Also, the best KDE distro in my opinion. And on gigabit internet zypper is absolutely fine.
Hi, thanks for reviewing openSUSE! :-) I can relate to your points. Regarding 14:10 - you can definitely edit the mirrors used by editing traditional text files, it is not required to do so using special utilities. Simply head to `/etc/zypp/repos.d/` and edit the `baseurl` lines in the respective .repo files. You can confirm your changes by inspecting `zypper lr -d`. Edit: one very minor nitpick, since some releases already it's spelled "openSUSE" - the company brand "SuSE" was changed to "SUSE" as it no longer implies the original German acronym.
I can't say as though I'm looking to ditch the Arch family of distros for it, but I keep hearing about OpenSuSE's stability. The one thing that people keep telling me is that it's stable and it's to the point where you'd almost think they were describing Debian. Considering the smaller user base, I don't know how true that is, but I can say I'm not surprised to hear about it here too.
I can myself confirm that OpenSUSE is awesome. My first Linux distro choices were Ubuntu, ZorinOS, Fedora, EndeavorOS then I went to OpenSUSE and I stick with it. I didn't went first to OpenSUSE because of what people where saying I never give it a try. And YAST is a great piece of admin software without the need to always use CLI.
I've heard about longer laptop battery life in openSUSE, and that they have own patches for the kernel, Firefox and maybe KDE. I'm on Arch now, he's great, but too raw and vanilla, so I'm looking for "more baked" alternatives.
I've been using Tumbleweed for a bit over a year (installed in May 2022) and that's by far the longest I've had any distro installed. Other than some issues at the outset getting my network connection set up (just needed to change DNS settings) it's been extremely stable. I've also switched desktops multiple times. Started on KDE > Cinnamon > GNOME > back to KDE > back to GNOME where I mostly live now, with i3 installed on the side. Once in awhile it seems to hang a little when opening an app especially on i3, but I'm guessing that's a side effect of leftover junk from all my desktop environment hopping. On that note, if anyone has suggestions for a good system cleaner that would be great, since Stacer isn't maintained anymore.
Don't be fooled, if you use it long enough you absolutely will have an update break the system. But it's easy to roll it back to the former state. Been using Tumbleweed for about 4 maybe five years now. Yep, it blows up sometimes, but easy to fix and I give it a 9.9 out of 10. I love it.
I wouldn't say Tumbleweed the rolling distro) is anywhere near as stable as Debian, lol. Leap (the stable branch) probably compares reasonably well in some sense. IME it rarely breaks, if at all. But I don't know how long they do LTS tho, which I think is the biggest deal about Debian.
2 Hours? why did that take such a long time? I am using suse tumbleweed on my laptop with wlan - with an ssd, ryzen 5thoudend something i think. so decent but not extremely fast. The updates are comparable to manjaro on my Desktop slower but kind of comparable fast. (i installed it with ext4)
I get confused with the endless options. I started by looking into Kde and I want the most stable distro. OpenSUSE seems interesting then I go to their page to download and I get options like Tumbleweed or Leap. One says its "For Developers, openSUSE Contributors, Gamers and Linux/FOSS Enthusiasts" the other says its for "For Sysadmins, Enterprise Developers, and ‘Regular’ Desktop Users". These labels don't really help me because i am a Developer a Gamer and a Regular user. Thanks. Good video.
Hi, the zypper package manager is a command line utility - "dark mode" seems to relate to a GUI application, hence I presume you refer to YaST - which indeed has an option to be switched to dark mode since some time.
They had for a while back in the day a really nice online configurator that allowed you to customize the components you wanted in the base setup and packaged up an iso for you to burn to cd\\dvd or USB (VM) it was great for virtualbox and vagrant at the time as you could make very lean iso's and have the profiles for these builds online to build new ones from that seem to be the progenitor for what docker packages and such came from, but I ain't one to gossip... .
I wonder why Leap, the non-rolling version, is still with Python 3.6.5 while other non-rolling distros like Mint, and even Windows, have a more up to date version 3.10...?
Leap is a derivative from SUSE Linux Enterprise, which means it inherits the same package decisions (i.e. there generally are no "feature" updates on Leap but rather bug and security patches, since enterprise customers expect stable packages as well as support for the packages shipped with the product for the lifecycle of the product). There now is an optional Python 3.11 stack you can install on Leap - it does not come with all the additional libraries you find for the base Python 3.6, but it's still an improvement.
2800 updates? I only have about 1500 packages total on my Arch system and never had to update more than 200-300 at a time. I have let my ThinkPad (with slightly fewer total packages) go for a few weeks without updating before and had updates with closer to 800 packages (and often I had to update the keyring first as punishment for my laziness) but 2800 is terrifying. Does OpenSUSE have to come with so many packages? I am not one of those aggressive minimalist types who uses a suckless WM with code patches and an uwu anime wallpaper (I use KDE Plasma) but I prefer not to keep things on my system that I have no use for.
Package number is an useless metric since every major distro package things differently. The main reason that OpenSuse has "more" packages is that Arch packages a bunch of components in a single package, meanwhile the same package is fragmented into multiple packages on Suse. Same thing happens on Debian.
I come from Germany. It's true that we are introverted and quick to nag. My experiences in forums at openSUSE were also interesting at that time. That's why I'm even in the English area to search when I have problems. We also have good people so it is not, only we Germans are sometimes a bit distant at the beginning, which often changes very quickly and then you have to do with very good people. OpenSUSE is also not often represented in my environment. There are just the established distros and the time when SUSE was cool is over. That was before Ubuntu. I use Linux with pause around the year 2000. One of my first distros was Mandrake and SUSE 9.1 I bought in the box. At the kiosk even once a Redhat Linux. I think fedora there was not yet, I can also be wrong. My English is not the best, I have made an effort to understand it.
I've been using Opensuse since it was a German company called SuSE. There are two desktops and server running it 24/7 in my house right now. I have never, ever had an update take 2-1/2 hours. I can take a bare metal brand new machine and install Opensuse, and all subsequent updates, in less time than that these days. I've done it, just recently. So, to me, based on over 20 years of experience running it, you having an update take that long is an anomaly. Even on a dialup connection, updates never took that long. Install, maybe, but not an update.
I've been diving into openSUSE Tumbleweed and it truly shines when paired with my AMD GPU. But when it's NVIDIA's turn, the journey becomes notably rocky. Here's to hoping for enhanced compatibility down the road. (NVIDIA, I'm looking at you!)
I don't "like" to switch distro's I just am trying to find a distro that satisfies all 3 conditions of compatibility, comfort and updates. Right now I am on Fedora KDE and liking it, although I did consider OpenSuse before choosing Fedora, I just thought Fedora seemed to have a bigger community and I had read openSuse didn't integrate as well with KDE as Fedora does.
Suse not integrating well with KDE? That's a first. Especially when compared to fedora. (Which by default only support GNOME). SUSE is one of the few distros out there with KDE as the default environment.
@@keit99 Which I do know that, it's not KDE as a whole. The biggest thing I heard was on OpenSuse you shouldn't use Discover and only use Yast for installing software. I read using Discover can cause issues and not work right. I often use Discover to well discover new software and try stuff out so that made me question. I know Yast is awesome but I'm not 100% sold on it. And I do use the terminal quite a bit but I like utilizing everything on my computer and using the software stores helps them get better so "just use the terminal" isn't the answer. Plus the terminal is good at installing not window shopping for programs you don't know you want/need. Edit: this same issues goes with KDE settings and Yast, I read do not use KDE settings and only use Yast. I had similar issues with this conflicting settings programs when I first used KDE manually installed on Mint 22. Which is why I switched to Kubuntu and now Feodra.
The thing that i like about openSUSE is that the users don't brag about their operating system like it can do anything, and it actually does what its supposed to do. Meanwhile arch users will brag and brag and brag but they pass of system-breaking updates as fine.
22:00 I think it's not that Americans don't want to use it, it's more like they have no reason to try it. As you said, it's a small distro and people usually go for the popular distros. In Europe the situation is a bit different. Suse is based in Europe and therefore popular with European companies and government institutions. So a lot of people in the IT sector are exposed to it at work and then decide to use it at home.
I remember trying out SuSE 10, many years ago. I used it for years... In Germany the gov uses SuSE, so it's stable. Thanks for making this vid and giving it some attention.
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installed the timeshift-bin timeshift-autosnap gurb-btrfs packages in ArcoLinux, a backup copy is created automatically before each update. Always if something can be rolled back.
linux users trying not to hop distros for 2 days
Tumbleweed is my daily driver, most stable rolling distro I have ever used. One reason is they way they update it.. when a package gets an update they update most of if not all the related packages before it gets pushed out.. some rolling distros.. cough cough ARCH will release a package update without updating/rebuilding the related packages alot of times.. tends to cause issues tbh
Would you say it would be suitable as a small office server? I'm looking for a solid rolling release distro to recommend to clients, and Slackware ain't it.
@@eriksiers I would recommend it yes.. I mean considering its rolling release just they way they update the packages makes it super stable, I have never had it break after months of use, but as its a rolling release just make sure the snapshot feature is turned on make it easy to ever recover if a server setting were to break
Rolling releases for servers does not sound good for your clients.
@@SergiuNiculas yeah, now that I've said it in public, it does sound kinda dumb...
Leap is OpenSuse's parallel product with phased rollout that follows Tumbleweed, and might be a better choice for clients. I use both and I would agree that each is rock-solid.
Running openSUSE Tumbleweed on work laptop. 4 years+ on the same install and still rolling ! Tumbleweed is the crown jewel of rolling distros.
I remember back in the VERY early 2000's installing Linux for the first time : it was SuSE 6.2 (not even called "open SuSE" at this time, released in 1999). ISDN was top notch tech for home (imagine, giving phone calls at the freaking same time you connect to the Internet !!!), and I also remembering spending 3 evenings trying (and acheiving) to configure my modem by sending it character strings I reached for in the man pages... How proud I was ! I have to say, I really liked the experience at this time. As time went by, I left Linux and came back to it from time to time, and started to daily drive Linux since about 3 years now. I'm "the eternal noob" kind of guy, got not much time to learn, but damn, Garuda satisfies me. But Matt, you give me the desire to try Open SuSE again; maybe on a VM.
Greetings from an 48 years old schmuck from Switzerland !
cool story bro
We used to have a group of students where we took turns in buying the SuSE updates on CD since we only had 56k modems and university computers only could write to floppy disks. 5.0 was the first one, and I still have a couple of installation CD sets somewhere up to 8.something.
I first installed SuSe 6 in 1998. I spent a weekend trying to get it to work on my PC, but never looked back and stopped using Windows ever since. Moved to Debian, then Ubuntu, now Arch EndevourOS.
I was a RedHat user at the end of the 90s but switched to SuSE some time around 2000 and yes, version 6 was my earliest version. I used SuSE on and off after that until V8 when I was out of work and tended to use RISC OS 4 on my Acorn RISC PCs. It was a few years later that I tried to use SuSE again on a rebuilt Dell but found that the version I had wouldn't load as it wouldn't see SATA drives so I grabbed a new version, 10.2, the first to feature the name openSUSE and found it worked pretty well. I've been using openSUSE ever since, including the machine that I am currently using to type this in which is openSUSE 15.5.
The only time I moved from openSUSE was when I tried to use Linux MINT Sarah but that went bad on me, uninstalling most of my GUI when I tried to install a specific package so in the end I shifted back to openSUSE. I should mention that I tend to use KDE 3.5.10, a personal preference as I was never a fan of Plasma and KDE 4 was always a bit bloated and slow in some cases. The only other change that I've made is where I no longer use openSUSE as a server - I changed to a NAS a few months ago, namely TrueNAS. I think that the whole quibble about zypper is a bit of a nitpick though if you really want to make an issue of zypper I could make an issue of systemd which I've never liked.
7.x for me. Came on half a dozen CDs. What a time.
I'm in this struggle to choose my perfect distro, in the last few months I've tested PopOS, Nobara, Fedora, EndeavorOS, Garuda and OpenSUSE. And I confess that I tested SUSE after watching your videos, and I think the distro is wonderful and I finally found my distro Thanks for your videos.
For me the Garuda and OpenSuse TW is the best
Greetings from an 51years old from Brasil! :D
Sounds good 👍
If you ever have a reason to try another, I'd recommend MX Linux 23 or Debian 12 (good old MATE Desktop being my preference)....
@@jezzamobile I tried these 2 and I didn't like it
@@DrNutrijorge Fair enough. It's good to find a distro that works well for you 👍
Lol I tried all of these on my Linux journey except Garuda.
I just wish openSUSE had a bit more software. Fedora has everything I need and ofc Arch.
But I will always come back to openSUSE TW. Stability, btrFS Snapper by default, great security it's just too convinient to give up.
Hi Matt, thank you for all of your videos! It’s great to hear your perspective. I use openSUSE as well and have found it to be very stable.
In case you were wondering, the camera issue you are having when you give your thumbs up in your video is not a focus issue, but an issue of exposure. The camera is most likely set to an automatic exposure function (or auto ISO) which determines how sensitive the sensor is. You can see in the video that when you raise your white hand, the blacks in your shirt get darker. This is because the camera is trying to maintain a consistent exposure value. To get rid of this, you would need to make sure the camera is set to manual, then you can determine the ISO, aperture, and depth of field you want without any values changing in the frame. Hope this helps. Glad you have your power back!
+1 for openSUSE being underrated and deserving of more credit than it gets. They need more fanboys like us :)
I switched from Mandrake to SUSE Linux Professional 9.1 around 2004 as my main desktop os. When they split off openSUSE, I switched to that and still use it and am happy with it too.
openSUSE TW is my daily driver and has been for a few years now. I've had all AMD systems and a mixed system (AMD/Nvidia) currently and it's been nothing but rock solid for me. I understand other people with other configurations have had issues and I fully respect that. openSUSE put a end to my chronic distro hopping. I still test other distros and even really like MX Linux and Solus but openSUSE is always my go to for reliability. If a idiot like myself can run it and game. stream etc. on it anyone can LOL.
I've ran Linux Mint for over 3 years, updates and all wasn't too bad. I've used Open Suse but never took enough time to even customize my Conky but now this has got me stoked to try it again! Thanks man!
Definitely one of the most underrated.
Rolling with faster DE Updates than anyone else.
One of the biggest Libraries.
Rock stable with easy rollback.
The only thing I don't like.
Takes forever to set up a minimal install and keep it minimal.
Second. The only Distro I used that won't print out of the box with my printer and it is not that easy to fix it
Which printer?
Canon Pixma MG 3053
I don't use it that often so I just boot up any Linix Distro from a Ventoy stick and print my stuff there. Did not set it up one Tumbleweed yet
@@Qyngali Your answer about Canon is somehow not showing anymore. I see part of it in my Notifications but can't read all of it.
Yeah Canon is probably proprietary but it just works on every other Distro I used (mostly Ubuntu based). And the help I get from Tumbleweed is just resulting in an error.
@@xperience-evolution error about missing dependencies or something else?
@@xperience-evolution strange, I don't see my own answer at all lol.
OpenSUSE is a true Powerhouse and I wish it got more recogbition ❤
i have tried various distros on my life, Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, Kurumin, Big Linux, Slackware, Alpine, OpenSuSe, Debian, CentOS, Oracle Linux and others.
with OpenSuse i have instability with Tumbleweed, but, it's expected for a rolling release distro, after that i migrate to Leap 15.5 and now on Leap 15.6, very stable, a good compatibility with my Dell laptops, and i like the app instalation with flatpak as default. for stability i recomend the OpenSuSe Leap,
I do like OpenSUSE. I used it for a year; Leap; KDE. Great KDE setup and using the Zypper package manager is not hard at all.
It's rather good. I'm using it in the form of a 'gaming distro', RegataOS which appears to use components from Tumbleweed and Leap - this may not sound good but it is a project that has existed many years in Brazil and is said to have very competent developers. Very stable and totally painless installation and great performance of Mass Effect Andromeda. (I run it together with win 11 and the Devuan based Peppermint OS, separate partitions ofc)
Fedora has a policy to not ship any updates with breaking changes within a single release which for example caused Sway to be stuck on an older version in Fedora 37 or 36 iirc. Not sure if this could possibly be the reason for older i3 in repos because it seems i3 hardly changes but who knows
Long and rambly video is fine with me. Gives me more info tidbits and details which I like. Cheers! 😊
I did try OpenSUSE Tumbleweed just because I don't like Arch. I had some great month of flawless working machine, then some update crashed down on me and I didn't even know where to start searching for error. Thats when I found out you need a root partition that is big enough. If you don't have that the snapper/btrfs snapshots is not available. I didn't want to mess around anymore so I just rebooted into my at that point very old Debian Sid install, booted just fine and updated without issues. So I will just stay on Debian Sid. Even though it's not recommended as a daily driver, it still works way better than both Arch and OpenSuSE tumbleweed for me.
I still have my SUSE Version 8.1 box with CDs and Manuals from 1998. I just started using it again (Version 15.6) ... it is fantastic!
Gecko Linux is based on opensuse and even though their iso is more than 1 year old, all the packages still get updated without any issues after install. Try doing that on an arch based distro.
downloaded ArcoLinux 2022 release for experiment and it upgraded to today without issue!
Gecko is superb! All that is good with openSuSE but with potential ‘paper cuts’ removed.
I'm a long term Debian user, since the 90s.
I've tried OpenSuse Tumbleweed some years ago, without too much expectations, really. I was surprised!
I've never used Debian ever since, not because Debian is bad, but because OpenSuse is truly amazing!
You're a good ambassador! You have done more in your videos to convince me to take openSUSE seriously than anyone ever has. I am probably going to try it with my next machine.
9:30 Why not flatpaks?
29 JUL 2024 at 14.23, currently installing into a VM and at 17:00 into this video, I'm starting to second guess my opinion to install.
Happy S.u.S.E. user here for the last 25 or so years.
OpenSUSE is the only Linux distro that I wouldn't even think twice about trusting my life to. I'm not even talking SLE, I'm talking OpenSUSE (Leap specifically), which thankfully shares the same bulletproof codebase as SLE. For nearly 3 decades, I've continually come back to SUSE after trying other distros. Noting else even comes close to SUSE for me.
Leap with XFCE is nice.
I’m very happy to watch you because you’re very informative. Thank you for doing everything you do on Lennox.
OpenSuse Tumbleweed ended my distro hopping. Stable rolling release, YasT, Snapper and I found it to be my favorite KDE spin of all distros. Very good for gaming too specially AMD GPUs, it took me 1-2 hours max to get it ready for gaming from a fresh install and running everything butter smooth. It's just a combination of my favorite tools and release policy into one distro. Very underrated!
is it enough to not like a distro beacuse of the icon/logo? I don't want a camelion on my desktop all the time
yep, TW cured my distro hopping a couple years ago. ran it for a year straight without any major problems. ended up hopping off it for Nobara and am on Debian right now but it'll always be my trusty fallback. when i circle back around to it one day i'll go with Leap instead of TW though. i'm pretty over rolling distros.
when Deb12 starts getting a little long in the tooth i'll probably try out an immutable distro. Vanilla looks pretty cool. then after that inevitably fails go back to opensuse. ...or maybe gentoo lol
Lol what? Tumbleweed cured your distro hopping but then you hopped to Nobara, then you hopped to Debian, and if you ever come back to openSuse it will be Leap, not tumbleweed.. did I understand that right? Lol
I compiled libre office suite, rust, kernel, perl, firefox and thunderbird here recently. Matt, that upgrade took less time than zypper. Now, it was 100+ packages, not 1k+ like you. But I'm shocked my update over this weekend was faster than yours. My internet is trash. I miss having fiber. 30ish mbps average download speed.
You are right about OpenSuse being underrated/slept on. I remember getting the releases in Linux mags or in those thick Linux books my dad would buy.
Your download speed was faster maybe because of the distance between the servers and your location as he said. For me, The download speed seems faster. Perhaps because I'm not so far from Germany.
For me no distro work with hibernation except Debian 12.
The problem is that after copel of day 2-3 days when computer woke up the graphics looks like 1024 color instead of 16.5 miljon and the only fix is hard reset of computer.
The computer is pure AMD with AMD 3950x and 6900 graphics.
All of the big 20 distro has this problem except Debian 12 works perfect
debian is just feel like warm and comfortable home.
@petersz2379 Have you compiled a custom kernel? I used to find that would fix my hardware weirdness, before I upgraded my computer to one that the standard Slackware kernel likes.
Do you have a swap partition?
No i go with standard kernels in exempel Open Susa, Fedora or Arch@@eriksiers
Yes and no in some installation i do have and other don't but the same trouble for me.@@PizzaLovingNerd
I really wanted to try it. But after 2 failed attempts at installing via non-network iso where it never got past something called udev. And then 2 attempts at network iso where it wouldn't give me a choice to pick the completely empty 2nd drive in my laptop. Insisted on making space on my Windows drive and installing it there, and I couldn't figure out how to make it pick the 2nd drive. I gave up. I mean I've installed MANY different distros and I've never had that problem. Why fight with a crappy installer when there's hundreds of other distros that actually work.
Almost talks me into trying openSUSE again. A while back I tried it when I got a new laptop, but had some issues getting the audio to work. Being close to the start of the semester I decided to return to my trusty Ubuntu. The hardware in question happen to be a S76 and was not planning to use pop because it felt like a buntu flavor, but decided to give it a shot. I have to say that I did end up liking it tho.
Thanks for the input I just switched to open suse leap
Hi, liked the video very much, I like openSUSE too.
I think that the reason it's hard to get support on forums might be a question of being monolingual. There're many places to get forum support in other languages such as french, spanish and especially german.
Watched all the way through. Again, great video.
If I remember right, my issue with OpenSuSE was updates. This was several years ago and updates would come in as individual updates as well as packages. The individual ones would not install if there were prereq's. You had to figure out which in the list was the package and then get it to install. Eventually, I just gave up on it. I had a list of updates that I could not get to install and I switched to another.
Has this been corrected in newer iterations of the distro?
My only problem with it is that my computer has big problem starting the newer kernel with grub
and every tuto did nothing
I would also like to point out. That part of the problem (from what I found) is that they, like many other distros, didn't respect grub spec on the emplacement of their grub config in uefi. The spec demand to put them in a folder named Linux, not one of the name of the distro. And grub don't want to update their config generator, so support custom emplacement.
From what I can tell (new Linux user here who actually opted to try out openSUSE first), it's developed in Germany and certain things about the system appear to be pretty "archaic" or more obtuse than on other distros. In particular stuff like video codecs or the YaST manager not supporting Flatpak even though it's integrated in SUSE.
I did like your more positive insight on it than other people I watched so far. Just trying to see what system I am dealing with
I tried it multiple times. I really wanted to like OpenSuSe. But everytime something else was broken or broke shortly after install. Although some of it were not Suses fault but KDEs. Nothing that wasn't fixable, but Linux Mint just gives me a smoother out of the Box experience and "just works". The last time was two years ago so it might be much better now, but I have stopped distro hopping since.
That being said, I just love your theme.
And what broke?
Sounds like more of a KDE problem, and I've had similar experiences. I've used and wanted to like KDE several times on different distros, and it's great for a week or so, then it starts showing what a buggy mess it really is. I installed Tumbleweed initially with KDE, but switched to GNOME and have had zero issues. If you don't like GNOME, there's plenty of desktop options on openSUSE.
@@stephenwilson0386 I always ask what issues..
@@stephenwilson0386 This is why it's good for popular distros to make it clear which DE is their best one. Their showcase DE.
As it turns out, KDE is the default DE of OpenSUSE. I think KDE is a lot better now that it was 3 years ago.
I tried it for a week. It's crap.
Can't get a samba server set up without hosing the system, every time!
As an openSUSE user since 2005 I can confirm I do not talk alot about it. Despite the title of my videos. But in forums, social media or when helping people with Linux stuff I do not advertise it.
I respect their choice, try to help them as best as I can on the distro they're currently using but I do not try to convince them to switch.
Apparently when somebody ask me directly what distribution I would recommend it's apparently openSUSE but I do not if not ask for it.
Or if someone tries to convince me to switch I can get vocal about openSUSE and ultimately convince most ppl that there is no need to switch. Neither for me or them. 😅
Also it is a common phenomenon for openSUSE that we are very quiet about it and know ppl will stop by eventually and then like it. Just as you do .
I believe the mindset of the avg. openSUSE user is that forcing or constantly trying to convince ppl will more likely turn them off. But if they join on their own they are more likely to stay.
I started with Linux Mint, kept that on my laptops. On desktop I now use openSUSE 😄
@@ArchLars I've been using Arch for almost 20 years now and KDE as my desktop since the end of KDE 3, been thinking about trying OpenSUSE.
Good hardware support in a distribution usually down to there being a partially rolling hardware stack AND updated ISOs. Usually this means a recent kernel and graphics stack (mainly mesa). However some other components that would be optimal to update on stable distributions like Ubuntu and Linux Mint would be hplip to support newer HP printers, sane for scanners (probably the least important component), and maybe audio. There can sometimes be graphics components that can be a problem related to wifi and/or cellular modems. The network manager most distros use broke things at certain points and there are some rare distributions for things like the Raspberry Pi that don't include a graphical applet/desktop environment with support for cellular modems. The other thing that isn't really the distributions fault is that of manufacturers and why I highly recommend avoiding AMD and NVIDIA if you want a good user experience. The propriety drivers get in the way of things working properly and distributions being able to PROPERLY support said hardware. It's not that some distributions don't have hacks to make said hardware work, but that's a poor solution to the manufacturers being crap at supporting or enabling support for their hardware.
OpenSUSE has been my daily driver for years, although I prefer the Leap releases. To me its the perfect mix between being up to date without being so bleeding edge as to risk stability. I also really like the flexibility of the installer. Proper MPEG4 codecs and Nvidia drivers are not available by default, but they make enabling the necessary repositories to get them super easy in Yast. All in all, I really like it.
How do you get them through yast? I'm using opi codecs right now
Never notice any lag or slow updates with zypper.
But I live not far from many repos comparatively
(Norway)
So I would suspect the US servers for your experience.
I installed open suse leap. I am testing it for 2 hours. Installation was too difficult. There was cli installation, no gui. Then I couldn't install it. I googled it and I configured grub text to open gui installation. After waiting for more than 1 hour for "drivers are loading " installation gui appeared and I installed.
First it doesn't power off soon. I sometimes wait for 1 minute to shut it down. Another problem is Yast Sound. When I tried to choose quick installation, sound doesn't work. I will try to configure alsa. If the sound doesn't work I will go back fedora.
Can you make a video about the future for opensuse? The ALP linux?
With the package downloads - is there a way that the package manager can figure out which packages can download the fastest and sort them out first before it begins downloading any?
I see it get hung up on one or two downloading slowly in the beginning while others afterwards shoot by fast.
I've always wanted to try OpenSuSE but never got around to it.
I've been using Linux as my main for like 10 years now.
Started with Ubuntu then Debian, Fedora for like a few months then Manjaro for the past 2 years :D
OS has always been on my list to try one day :D
I'd say the thing about uninstalling the DE that comes by default with the distro you are running, well mainly be prepared for the next boot to be to a CLI login prompt until / unless another DE is installed.
More specifically I guess it depends on whether the uninstall also removes your default greeter and/or login manager.
You can explicitly mark those packages to remain installed if you want to keep the same greeter during a transition, unless itself depends on the DE.
But to the point you were making, yes it's great that simple or automatic snapshot creation allows you to be bolder about trying out changes knowing your can roll right back to a working setup.
And for those trying out new distributions in a virtual machine, it's a reminder that you can benefit from the VM Manager's snapshot-ing abilities regardless of whethe the guest OS provides them.
At the end there you know your own setup better than us but on the 1080p playback it looks like it's merely exposure adjusting to bright reflection of your light reflecting from your thumb looming large in the frame and darkening the image rather than the camera changing the focus.
There's another reflection in the monitor on the back wall that it is also compensating for depending whether you block it in the foreground.
curious where you got the linux wall art looks dope!
In a techhut video I watched earlier he said he could not connect to the internet after installing suse. I may be unclear as to what setup caused this but now I am wondering how prevalent this is. You said you had no issues in this area. How was your setup different from his?
I'm all for giving it a try, thanks for the suggestion! I always spin up new distros on Virtualbox for a test run, and if I really like it, I'll install it onto my main computer.
i have several computers on several different desks and all of em have a different distro so i stay up to date on hows this or that distro nowadays. those are mainly, mint, fedora, manjaro and thumbleweed or ubuntu sometimes. One computer now has zorin.
Im appalled the snapshot functionallity is not builtin or easily installable on other distros (not counting immutable ofc) cause its so useful but a pain to setup manually
Hello Mathew, is it possible to share you configuration for your UI or a video on how you set it up would be awesome, thank you and love how informative this is 👏
I thought I'd shoot my shot here, is there a way in open suse to use AMD AMF without installing the entirety of the AMD pro driver since for me it ruins game performance.
Wait, is AMD EMF even supported in the proprietary drivers?
I thought AMD didn't even bother to bring it to Linux.
How can i opensuse tumbleweed keep update? With # zypper update or # zypper dist-update?
I didn't happen to notice anything about why he doesn't use YaST, was it mentioned?
No, I don't think I mentioned it in this video. I'm too terminal centric to use YaST for myself. But I do have a seperate video on it.
What I noticed with Fedora is that it’s really meant to download updates automatically in the background, at which point slow mirrors don’t matter too much. Does openSUSE have similar automatic update mechanisms?
It's also worth mentioning that openSUSE is probably the best distro for running a private server or any kind "serious" use, now that CentOS is dead. openSUSE is based on SLES binaries so it's no surprise that it's super stable.
I get a lot of lag on youtube in opensuse tumbleweed. 1080p60fps is choppy with nothing else open on my ryzen 5 2600 rx 580 gaming rig. No clue why, maybe its my codecs?
You installed the codecs?
If so, then I'm not sure. Maybe try a different browser?
@@TheLinuxCast Yes I installed the codecs. The lag is only present on my main rig and it's both on Firefox and brave. It's strange but I think I'll try to tackle it tomorrow
Since you're using a window manager and not a DE the update thing is probably a smoother process. on Opensuse Plasma updating from discovery tends not to work that well. I've also had to *flatpak update* in terminal to get those to update sometimes. But I personally don't mind having to type it into terminal instead of just clicking update when it pops up. Yes... Zypper can be slow as bawls more often than not.
If you're using a DE, you should use YaST. It's always going to be better than Discover.
@TheLinuxCast I had to use yast once after not turning on and updating for 3 weeks. Other than that *sudo zypper up* has updated no issues. There were two packages that would not update unless I used yast that one time. 🤷
@@TheLinuxCast my only problem with YaST compared to other GUI is that I find it more confusing to find which package i should install sometimes
(not helped by opensuse unique naming convention).
Even so one of the biggest advantage of GUI should be discoverability and clarity.
(i think pamac of arch is the cream of the top of GUI because it shows the optional dependency, the dependency that will be installed, and if there is an error the complete error message)
@@VektrumSimulacrumnever use zypper up on TW, use zypper dup. If you're on Leap though, use up unless you're doing a version upgrade where you manually update the repo from 15.4 to 15.5 as an example.
Using zypper up on TW can cause a lot of problems, and unfortunately YAST online update only does the equivalent of zypper up so you should never use it on TW. This is my biggest gripe with TW, they should either change the way YAST update works or just disable it on TW...
@@Qyngali sudo zypper dup is the command that caused me the problems... donno what to tell you 🤷♂️Since I don't have to use it until tomorrow I'll try it again. Last time I did that...well lets just say glad tumbleweed can restore from btrfs snapshot.
i packaged my iso into a live installer but i need to fix the login policies, i will have an os for you guys soon
Hardware-wise, couldn't get it to work properly on an Acer Chromebook 14. It would boot, but the keyboard wouldn't work at all. Fedora though, everything worked.
Using the snapshots sadly doesn't always restore everything. I broke my sound leading to a dummy output problem after attempting to install PipeWire on Mint Mate recently. Reverted back to earlier snapshot and sound still wouldn't work. Ended up replacing distro with Ubuntu Mate 23.04, and the already installed PipeWire works perfectly.
my firefox video were not working and didn't get fix an had to switch distro i did like them will check out latter i guess
Make sure you create snapshots when it matters and you should be fine. Also, the best KDE distro in my opinion. And on gigabit internet zypper is absolutely fine.
I remember trying it years ago and impressed with how rock stable it was.
It's German, what do you expect. Not my system though as I like the bleeding edge.
I use tumbleweed for 6 months but recently having problems with vscode vlc and msedge. With flatpak that is solved.
Hi, thanks for reviewing openSUSE! :-) I can relate to your points.
Regarding 14:10 - you can definitely edit the mirrors used by editing traditional text files, it is not required to do so using special utilities. Simply head to `/etc/zypp/repos.d/` and edit the `baseurl` lines in the respective .repo files. You can confirm your changes by inspecting `zypper lr -d`.
Edit: one very minor nitpick, since some releases already it's spelled "openSUSE" - the company brand "SuSE" was changed to "SUSE" as it no longer implies the original German acronym.
I can't say as though I'm looking to ditch the Arch family of distros for it, but I keep hearing about OpenSuSE's stability. The one thing that people keep telling me is that it's stable and it's to the point where you'd almost think they were describing Debian. Considering the smaller user base, I don't know how true that is, but I can say I'm not surprised to hear about it here too.
I can myself confirm that OpenSUSE is awesome. My first Linux distro choices were Ubuntu, ZorinOS, Fedora, EndeavorOS then I went to OpenSUSE and I stick with it. I didn't went first to OpenSUSE because of what people where saying I never give it a try. And YAST is a great piece of admin software without the need to always use CLI.
I've heard about longer laptop battery life in openSUSE, and that they have own patches for the kernel, Firefox and maybe KDE. I'm on Arch now, he's great, but too raw and vanilla, so I'm looking for "more baked" alternatives.
I've been using Tumbleweed for a bit over a year (installed in May 2022) and that's by far the longest I've had any distro installed. Other than some issues at the outset getting my network connection set up (just needed to change DNS settings) it's been extremely stable. I've also switched desktops multiple times. Started on KDE > Cinnamon > GNOME > back to KDE > back to GNOME where I mostly live now, with i3 installed on the side. Once in awhile it seems to hang a little when opening an app especially on i3, but I'm guessing that's a side effect of leftover junk from all my desktop environment hopping. On that note, if anyone has suggestions for a good system cleaner that would be great, since Stacer isn't maintained anymore.
Don't be fooled, if you use it long enough you absolutely will have an update break the system. But it's easy to roll it back to the former state. Been using Tumbleweed for about 4 maybe five years now. Yep, it blows up sometimes, but easy to fix and I give it a 9.9 out of 10. I love it.
I wouldn't say Tumbleweed the rolling distro) is anywhere near as stable as Debian, lol.
Leap (the stable branch) probably compares reasonably well in some sense. IME it rarely breaks, if at all. But I don't know how long they do LTS tho, which I think is the biggest deal about Debian.
Non of the Thumbleweed mirrors are working for me right now . Maybe they are in the process of updating them to a new release.
2 Hours? why did that take such a long time?
I am using suse tumbleweed on my laptop with wlan - with an ssd, ryzen 5thoudend something i think. so decent but not extremely fast. The updates are comparable to manjaro on my Desktop slower but kind of comparable fast. (i installed it with ext4)
I get confused with the endless options. I started by looking into Kde and I want the most stable distro. OpenSUSE seems interesting then I go to their page to download and I get options like Tumbleweed or Leap. One says its "For Developers, openSUSE Contributors, Gamers and Linux/FOSS Enthusiasts" the other says its for "For Sysadmins, Enterprise Developers, and ‘Regular’ Desktop Users". These labels don't really help me because i am a Developer a Gamer and a Regular user. Thanks. Good video.
tumbleweed is the one matt is talking about in this video, and it's what most people using openSUSE as a desktop use
Can you use PACKAGE MANAGERS from OTHER DISTROS in Open Suse?
Yes. DNF works great in openSUSE.
The last time I tried OpenSuSE the package manager could not be configured for "dark mode". Was this issue fixed?
Hi, the zypper package manager is a command line utility - "dark mode" seems to relate to a GUI application, hence I presume you refer to YaST - which indeed has an option to be switched to dark mode since some time.
Is there anyway to use nvidia drivers in hybrid mode ? Like in arch ?
Not sure. I don't have anything with that type of setup to test it
@@TheLinuxCast alright thanks brother for nice content. Keep growing
Yes, you can do that. It's written on the official Wiki.
@@christian80gabi it's support tools like envycontrol, optimus Manager something like that ?
I get the distro hopper mindset.
It’s just that after a month or two, I always “go home” to Ubuntu or Fedora.
I'm digging it and it's my second distro I've tried. I'm sticking with OpenSuse Tumbleweed as my daily driver.
what is your window manager with opensuse?
I think it is qtile but it could also be dwm there the only 2 I know have random color for workspaces.
@@TrueWordsOfEternity Yeah, I feel like qtile too.
They had for a while back in the day a really nice online configurator that allowed you to customize the components you wanted in the base setup and packaged up an iso for you to burn to cd\\dvd or USB (VM) it was great for virtualbox and vagrant at the time as you could make very lean iso's and have the profiles for these builds online to build new ones from that seem to be the progenitor for what docker packages and such came from, but I ain't one to gossip... .
I wonder why Leap, the non-rolling version, is still with Python 3.6.5 while other non-rolling distros like Mint, and even Windows, have a more up to date version 3.10...?
Leap.is pretty long in the tooth at this point. They're planning on replacing it soon.
@@TheLinuxCast Yes! I guess it's coming in next months.
Leap is a derivative from SUSE Linux Enterprise, which means it inherits the same package decisions (i.e. there generally are no "feature" updates on Leap but rather bug and security patches, since enterprise customers expect stable packages as well as support for the packages shipped with the product for the lifecycle of the product). There now is an optional Python 3.11 stack you can install on Leap - it does not come with all the additional libraries you find for the base Python 3.6, but it's still an improvement.
@@Time4TechnologyOk! That explains it!
2800 updates? I only have about 1500 packages total on my Arch system and never had to update more than 200-300 at a time. I have let my ThinkPad (with slightly fewer total packages) go for a few weeks without updating before and had updates with closer to 800 packages (and often I had to update the keyring first as punishment for my laziness) but 2800 is terrifying. Does OpenSUSE have to come with so many packages? I am not one of those aggressive minimalist types who uses a suckless WM with code patches and an uwu anime wallpaper (I use KDE Plasma) but I prefer not to keep things on my system that I have no use for.
openSUSE packages things differently than Arch does, so there are almost always more.
Package number is an useless metric since every major distro package things differently. The main reason that OpenSuse has "more" packages is that Arch packages a bunch of components in a single package, meanwhile the same package is fragmented into multiple packages on Suse. Same thing happens on Debian.
I come from Germany. It's true that we are introverted and quick to nag. My experiences in forums at openSUSE were also interesting at that time. That's why I'm even in the English area to search when I have problems.
We also have good people so it is not, only we Germans are sometimes a bit distant at the beginning, which often changes very quickly and then you have to do with very good people.
OpenSUSE is also not often represented in my environment. There are just the established distros and the time when SUSE was cool is over. That was before Ubuntu.
I use Linux with pause around the year 2000.
One of my first distros was Mandrake and SUSE 9.1 I bought in the box.
At the kiosk even once a Redhat Linux. I think fedora there was not yet, I can also be wrong.
My English is not the best, I have made an effort to understand it.
I've been using Opensuse since it was a German company called SuSE. There are two desktops and server running it 24/7 in my house right now. I have never, ever had an update take 2-1/2 hours. I can take a bare metal brand new machine and install Opensuse, and all subsequent updates, in less time than that these days. I've done it, just recently. So, to me, based on over 20 years of experience running it, you having an update take that long is an anomaly. Even on a dialup connection, updates never took that long. Install, maybe, but not an update.
Do rolling release give option to not install an update?
Of course. It increases the chances of breaking but yes.
I've been diving into openSUSE Tumbleweed and it truly shines when paired with my AMD GPU. But when it's NVIDIA's turn, the journey becomes notably rocky. Here's to hoping for enhanced compatibility down the road. (NVIDIA, I'm looking at you!)
This is the reason why I will buy an AMD card. The driver was up to LTS always the reason when the system went kaput
I've had two show stopping driver issues now with nvidia on endeavour now.
Ironically this was the only Linux Linux PC system I ever used.
Usually I'm a PC user.
Tumbleweed's installer is like from the year 2003. I just tried the gnome version of it. I couldn't customize it, and just ditched it.
I don't "like" to switch distro's I just am trying to find a distro that satisfies all 3 conditions of compatibility, comfort and updates. Right now I am on Fedora KDE and liking it, although I did consider OpenSuse before choosing Fedora, I just thought Fedora seemed to have a bigger community and I had read openSuse didn't integrate as well with KDE as Fedora does.
Suse not integrating well with KDE? That's a first. Especially when compared to fedora. (Which by default only support GNOME). SUSE is one of the few distros out there with KDE as the default environment.
@@keit99 Which I do know that, it's not KDE as a whole. The biggest thing I heard was on OpenSuse you shouldn't use Discover and only use Yast for installing software. I read using Discover can cause issues and not work right.
I often use Discover to well discover new software and try stuff out so that made me question. I know Yast is awesome but I'm not 100% sold on it.
And I do use the terminal quite a bit but I like utilizing everything on my computer and using the software stores helps them get better so "just use the terminal" isn't the answer. Plus the terminal is good at installing not window shopping for programs you don't know you want/need.
Edit: this same issues goes with KDE settings and Yast, I read do not use KDE settings and only use Yast. I had similar issues with this conflicting settings programs when I first used KDE manually installed on Mint 22. Which is why I switched to Kubuntu and now Feodra.
@@keit99 opensuse actually has 3 defaults, plasma, gnome, and xfce
@@keit99 And why do you think that is? Anyway, I can think of some others. Kubuntu, KDE Neon. Also Netrunner.
Yeah, wherever you read that doesn't know what they're talking about, it's one of the 3 default DE's and nice and clean out of the box.
But I use i3.
The thing that i like about openSUSE is that the users don't brag about their operating system like it can do anything, and it actually does what its supposed to do. Meanwhile arch users will brag and brag and brag but they pass of system-breaking updates as fine.
im on Nobara 60, loving it so far coming from Manjaro, Arch was a lot of fun, but Nobara's better for my needs
22:00 I think it's not that Americans don't want to use it, it's more like they have no reason to try it. As you said, it's a small distro and people usually go for the popular distros. In Europe the situation is a bit different. Suse is based in Europe and therefore popular with European companies and government institutions. So a lot of people in the IT sector are exposed to it at work and then decide to use it at home.
Yeah after many years I'm happy with OpenSUSE Leap 15
This distro TW & Leap are awesome.
Another great video featuring OpenSuSe!
Love openSUSE, but it just does not work on my Legion 5 Pro laptop, Internet wont work, 165hz screen would not work, and gaming was horrible.
I used opensuse tumbleweed and breaka update progeam
I remember trying out SuSE 10, many years ago. I used it for years... In Germany the gov uses SuSE, so it's stable. Thanks for making this vid and giving it some attention.