Alt explanation for Goofy's knowledge of Zettaflare: He is actually the one who used it first and swore off magic entirely as a result of the detrimental effects it had on him. This would explain his deep knowledge of magic and its mechanics (able to identify the Zettaflare solely by the light, sigils, and body movements) yet his inability, or rather his disinclination, to use magic in-game.
I don't know how many people noticed this, but when Mickey is countering the darkness beams from the "Real Org 13" he is using Ultima as a sort of "shield" to stop the beam from hitting him. You can see the same orb and "runes" that Ultima produces when he attacks Xehanort, it's just hard to see because of the glow.
@@TheTolnocI always liked the idea that there was possible for a superpowful mage to unlock higher levels of ultima. Imagine a villain blasting out Ultimara and realizing that there are levels beyond what we ever knew possible.
@@ltericdavis2237 I mean... there are. You might not have played the full FFXIII trilogy, but I did. The final boss in Lightning Returns pulls out Ultimaga. Blocking well is a must in that game.
For context on the fairy, she was drawing power from the final boss of Bravely Default and would often combo it by using a spell to lower the party's elemental resistances and if your not ready for it she can quickly wipe your party.
Having beaten Bravely Default for the first time a week ago, I don't think that's the case. She spams Zettaflare in her fake final boss where you haven't awakened the 20 crystals either.
@@beastwarsFTW More she had the memories of all the selves where she tricked and killed the party. I don't believe she merged with her other selves in a physical or magical sense.
One thing I want to point out is that in my own research on the subject of Zetaflare, of the 3 known users of this spell, 2 of them were relying on external sources of additional power to cast this spell. Donald remains the only caster to EXCLUSIVELY rely solely on his own power and resources to cast Zetaflare.
My headcanon for how Donald knows zettaflare is either he was taught it or found out how to do it when he wasn’t supposed to, tried casting it, failed, but it still knocked him out for several months. It seems like only Goofy knows about it since Mickey seemed surprised not concerned on what Donald was doing.
My headcanon is Donald doesn't have the magic to cast zettaflare but his bad luck has made him basically unkillable. The last time someone tried to cast a black magic spell beyond their ability it ended up killing them.
Something I want to point out about flare magic, in the world ends with you there's another flare spell potentially more powerful than Zeta Flare known as iFlare. The final boss of week 2 uses it to wipe out Neku and Joshua. Of course he doesn't succeed but the only reason it didn't was Joshua sent himself and Neku outside of the UG which is the only way to escape it since iFlare covers the entirety of the plain you're on. So picture an explosion the size of the universe.
The Level i Flare is... weird. The "level" part is the most important, as the "standard" Flare spell generally used by actual playable characters at least _used to_ have a level attached to it. This wasn't exactly a measure of power like the data size prefixes used by Bahamut and such though. How it worked was that the attack would check the levels of the enemies, and if their level is a multiple of the Flare's level, they get hit by it. For example, a Level 3 Flare would hit all enemies whose level is a multiple of 3. Sho Minamimoto used a Level _i_ Flare, meaning that the level multiple required to hit with it... is an imaginary number. So it hits literally everything. So it maybe has more _range_ than a Zettaflare, but power is kinda questionable.
@@thomasthecoolkid7228 Level i Flare is my favorite spell that Squeenix has ever dreamed up because it's so completely perfect for what it's supposed to be. The game themes, the references, Sho's nerdy character, it even makes sense in the plot and could easily slip by without anyone realizing it's significance and brilliance. TWEWY was so dang good
I still support that the FF14 flare is Teraflare because typically the way magic works is that the tier of the spell AND the power of the caster themselves matter. Yes, the FF14 flare did end a world, but it was also being cast by BAHAMUT! If you launch a pebble at mach 20 it is going to be fatal despite being just a pebble. A lower-tier spell cast by a higher-tier caster is still stronger than a higher-tier spell being cast by a lower-tier caster. That said, Donald being able to cast Zetaflare AT ALL is massively impressive regardless.
I think it's also worth noting that the terraflare cast didn't *end* the world, but did cause mass devastation and aetherial corruption across a continent. Aided of course by the shards of Dalamud.
@@nuclearsynapse5319TBF, Bahamut was gonna destroy the world or at least knock it back to a Stone Age like previous calamities. But was only stopped because of Louisox invoking the power of Phoenix. That’s not to say it’s was any less of a threat, but given the gimped version basically forced an entire continent to rebuild it’s still very powerful
I think that Teraflare was the correct wording, because it isn’t the singular cast that caused the calamity. You’ll notice what looks like astral aspected aether spewing into the land the moment Bahamut breaks free. This would also explain why that singular cast of Teraflare was so strong: it’s nearly an entire Shard’s aether in a singular spell.
But let's not forget something, it's because of the mothercrystal core that Bahamut in FFXVI is capable of doing that incredible spell, we don't see him using that spell later in the game while Donald didn't need an external force but rather his energy to cast it, I think that gives some points to Donald's Zettaflare
Also, airy the fairy was channeling a god as a conduit in order to do zettaflare. So, donald is the only person without a "super being was involved" caveat to use it.
he didn't die dude. bro probably went into a coma or something cuz riku said that they still had their hearts after the giant heartless swarm took everybody and made sora think they lost.@@Keyblademaster_Koloss
In 14, Bahamut didnt destroy the whole world ,but a part of a continent (Eorzea), and part of the destruction was mostly because of the "asteroids" that came from the "Red moom" dalamud that was containing the guy. 14's world is huge and 10 years later it is still not fully explored.
Yeah, it didn't end the world at all. It caused an insane amount of damage and permanently altered areas in Eorzea, but the world is definitely still kicking lol
That isn't what destroyed the world. The rejoining destroyed the world. Bahamut was the trigger that caused that rejoining to happen by pushing the worlds ether towards fire.
Hm maybe that's why using it puts him in a coma. He could just cast normally but have a load of collateral damage around him and potentially hurt or worse his friends, so he pushes hia body to focus the spell into a single condensed beam Or maybe using it regardless would wreck his body but focusing it amplifies the kickback
Donald is not just strong and skilled enough a mage to use Zettaflare, but also be able to twist and focus the spell into a small(ish) singular beam. Yes, it wrecks him to do it, but in all magic systems in games, that level of metamagic or change makes the spell HARDER to cast. So kudos to the duck.
There is also the base Flare spell, that's typically viewed as the most powerful Black magic in Final Fantasy lore. Also, fun fact about Bravely Default. It's got a second name attached to it, especially the Japanese version, called The Fairy Flies. However, a little nod to the twist ending, as the title fades, the two F's (possibly also a nod to Final Fantasy) fade away first, leaving just Airy Lies before it too fades away.
The English version changing from "where the fairy flies" to "airy lies" after I tried to break a crystal literally made my jaw drop the first time I saw it. It's so rare to see a game acknowledge what you've done by making changes to the title screen. It gives it a sort of "things will never be the same" feeling.
In ff14, even though bahamut uses Teraflare, he's also MASSIVE. so despite the fact that it's not Zetta, it's still capable of causing severe destruction just based on his size alone. Kind of makes you wonder just how a Zettflare would look from FF14's Bahamut.
Gay Bahamut, aka Primeus, is a different character from Final Fantasy's Bahamut. Primeus is literally just a godly immortal "fish on a wall" animatronic and a joke character in the fighting game engine "MUGEN."
Only Gay Bahamut would be so extra as to use zettaflare for the first time. We, the gays, love to be extra like that. We can’t be upstaged by REGULAR Bahamut.
Bravely Second holds the secrets of another ancient, forgotten version of flare... Femto Flare Quite possibly my favorite joke in all of gaming, while other flare magic is named after metric prefixes of increasing magnitude, Femto- is one of the smallest named prefixes, representing a magnitude of one quadrillionth, which is 10 raised to -15.
Bahamut in ff14 is a raid boss and its strongest move in that raid is exoflare, sadly no zeta flare. Donald duck in kh3, bahamut warden of light in ff16 and airy in bravely default are the only ones known to explicitly cast zeta flare.
In the Final Coil of Bahamut the strongest attack Bahamut used was Terraflare in which to survive it, a Tank in the party has to use a Lv 3 Limit Break to reduce the damage. The player character in 14 can also use Terraflare as a Lv 3 Limit Break if they're a Summoner and I think it's insane that Donald Duck has the potential to be stronger then a Warrior of Light.
@josephjager9156 Ok, tell me then. What's the strongest attack the WoL has withstood thus far? By my recollection, that would be Athena's Ultima in Pandæmonium. Donald Duck over here is casting a spell that could (power-level wise) cause a Calamity one thousand times over. Talk to me when the WoL is shown to tank an attack capable of causing a Calamity one thousand times over.
@@asteroidxarmageddon2354 Ultimate End from thordan, Elidbus's LB4, Every move from the Endsinger are all far stronger attacks then what the ancients considered their best magic. Donald's zettaflare only shares it's name with Dion's and nothing more lmao.
FFXIV 1.0 vet here. Just pointing out that the Summoner LB3 is Terraflare and looks identical to what Bahamut was doing. We also have Exaflare in fights with him and other powerful dragons and they just move differently than Terraflare, so they're dodge-able and of course are instant death most times if you get caught by one. Most likely what Bahamut was doing in the end of 1.0 and trailer for ARR is actually just Terraflare, but he's popping it off at-will...so he could potentially use Zetaflare maybe, but had no need of it since he was already doing the job with Terra.
When it comes to powerfull SE spells, there is The World Ends With You's Level i Flare. While it is somewhat countered in-game, using the FF nomenclature leads to the conclusion that it can destroy anything in the imaginary realm (UG). And that's hillarious.
Well, it would destroy everything that couldn't survive a standard Flare spell. It would have really messed stuff up in TWEWY, but even some late game random encounters can take those in Final Fantasy, to say nothing of bosses
There’s also the fact that the Teraflares and Exaflares seen in the actual gameplay of FFXIV are nowhere near as devastating as what’s seen in the ARR intro. I like to think “Zeta Flare” is a lesser form of the true Zettaflare, as if Airy is holding back to either toy with the party, or to not obliterate the world her master seeks to devour.
In regards to what you said about Airy and Bravely Default, Airy isn't just a fairy. She's a monster and essentially a right-hand woman in-service to the god of destruction. It'd only make sense that she'd have access to a highly destructive spell like Zetta Flare.
I'm pretty sure Donald did die when he casted Zeta flare. I'm guessing Disney wanted to censor his unintended suicide so they just put "he collapsed" in Jiminy's Journal. You were right on the money with that particle effect; it was only ever used for Strelitzia's literal death, apart from the Zeta Flare scene.
Honestly, it'd be interesting if things properly went beyond the Zettaflare. Because I feel like Aqua probably would've berated Donald once he woke up because he basically killed Terra, and now they can't get him back.
Funny thing, Donald’s flare spell is larger than Dion’s flare spell. So Donald should have a substantially larger zettaflare than planetary (maybe only large planet busting, but I suspect star busting)
My opinion is kind of the opposite, really. I really hope they DONT make magic even stronger in kh. I get that flashy lights and explosions are cool, but it makes it even more difficult to understand scaling in games if it gets too out of hand. On top of that, Tier 4 magic in kh3 was already disorienting, if they go even beyond that ill just go blind LOL
Zetaflare isn't the most powerful attack in Final Fantasy. The ACTUAL strongest attack is "12^2 Curse of Extinction" which is an secret attack used by the final boss Zeromus in the original SNES version of FF4 that DELETES THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE AND CAN BRICK YOUR CONSOLE OR PC. How the attack worked starts like this. The way FF4 calculated "floors" is very weird as every map is considered a "floor" in relation to another map. Basically it uses a hidden variable to check the "floor" value to set your location every time you transfer maps. However, there are 3 stairways in the game that are bugged to not properly configure the floor value. These three staircases are located in Dwarven Castle, the Lunar Caves, and the final dungeon the Lunar Subterranean. If you go to three specific staircases and travel up and down them 64 times, you will trigger the Zeromus' "curse of extinction" attack. Depending on your inputs in the few frames following the attack various things can happen, since the game is in a completely broken and very volatile state where the smallest input can destroy everything. Based on your inputs various things could happen including: 1: Teleporting you a particular map based on your inputs. 2: Deleting all your save files. 3: Bricking your game. (if on an emulator the ROM file is corrupted and can no longer be read) 4: Bricking your console or PC (blue screen of death if playing on an emulator) The first option is actually used in FF4 speedruns to skip straight from the Dwarven Castle to the final boss room after getting all the proper event flags, cutting the speedrun by almost half. However using the glitch is incredibly risky as one failed input and your entire save, game cartridge/ROM, or even entire SNES/PC could be ruined beyond repair. This was originally just an obscure glitch, but there was an interview with Squaresoft West in Nintendo Power about the game and Squaresoft canonized the glitch as "Zeromus' ultimate secret attack" called "12^2 Curse of Extinction" that triggers as a trap Zeromus laid in certain stairs to LITERALLY DELETE THE UNIVERSE if you make the wrong move. The "12^2" of the attack being a reference of how many times you have to use the stairs (64 times) to trigger the glitch. This "attack" (actually a glitch) is therefore the strongest attack in Final Fantasy as it is the only attack in the series that can impact the real world and delete your saves or even entire PC. This also makes Zeromus the strongest villain, final boss, and antagonist in the series by a long mile. Thankfully they patched this glitch in the GBA port and the glitch is not present also in the PSP, DS, Mobile, Steam, and Pixel Remaster versions. The glitch can still be found in the JP SNES, US SNES, EasyType, and PSX versions to this day.
Here's some additional info about FFXIV's Bahamut casting that Flare magic: -The Limit Break level 3 of the Summoner job temporarily fuses themself with a simulacrum of the pure energy Bahamut used(also a skill called Dreadwyrm Trance), and casts Teraflare in a wide area of their choosing. -Exaflare has been used multiple times throughout the game(there even is variations of it too), starting with Shinryu casting it during their fight against the player in 2017 during the Stormblood expansion. Considering this information and the scale of Bahamut's rampage during the cinematic(which, from what we know nowadays in the story wasn't destructive enough to end the world, even though Bahamut was actually stronger than he should have been for antagonist-related reasons), it would be fair to say that this incarnation of Bahamut is casting a Teraflare, not a Zetaflare imo.
I wish ultima still got the love it used to have before they expanded the Flare line-up past Giga-Flare. I think it would be really cool to see someone realize that Ultima is actually one of the only -Ma spells to exist and they didn't realize it. there is -Ra, -Ga, -Ja, -Za, so having Ultima being the only (or one of the only) -Ma spells would solidify it's presence as being above most of the other spells (with exception for Flare which uses a different scaling).
Well Cyn, to be completely honest the power of the most infamously destructive spells of the FF saga (and the same can be said for almost any SE game) frequently depends on the context and lore of the game they're found in. For example, in the majority of the FF games, Meteor is simply an extremely powerful magic (way more than Flare) that sometimes, in enhanced forms, can also serve as signature move of the main villain of the game (ex: Starfall XVI for Emperor Mateus or Twin Meteors for Golbez) while instead, in FFVII, Meteor is an apocalyptic entity capable to end the world, summonable only by Sephiroth and stoppable only by Aerith and only via Holy; given this, the three Zettaflares may even be three entirely different spells despite having the same name. Aside from that, as i already said in another video of yours, i really don't get how any KH fan who is also an FF fan could actually being surprised by this Donald/Bravely Defaut's Fairy fact; i mean, the strongest mage in the FF series and probably in the entire SE universe is F.KING SHANTOTTO!! What did you expect? (Oh, and just to be clear, with "the strongest" I don't mean "by a bit", i mean "by a landslide").
What's neat is that FF16 is the first time out of three confirmed uses that Zettaflare was used to directly *threaten* a planet. The other two had extremely good reasons why they were not used to destroy worlds. Donald's a Disney Hero, so he has good reason to aim his attack away from a world. Airy's master eats planets. (that's what Armageddon is, Ouroborous grabbing and eating a planet) So it would be counter-intuitive to destory the thing her boss wants to eat. Plus the fight where she uses the Zetaflare is in another dimension.
Something i should tell you about Bahamut in FF14 is we do get to fight him in the final part of the Coils of Bahamut raid series, but in a weakened state. In that fight he uses the exact attack we see Bahamut in the cinematic charge up before everyone gets time traveled a few years into the future, this move is named Teraflare.
Ultima, also known as the "I cast kill everything in this general direction!" move of final fantasy games. Ultima is usually always a massive non-elemental AoE that destroys everything with quad 9's across the board, while flare is relegated to be a single target spell with around the same power of ultima. I like to think of the ultima spells as an Ultimatum, wiping everything in front of the caster while also being indiscriminate in its destruction. Basically, if there was an evil or neutral flare, it would be Ultima. I always pictured white mages or good guys using flare spells for its single-target destruction and neutrally affiliated or evil characters using ultima to indiscriminately destroy everything. The reason why I say white mages specifically is because of the Dia spells from FF1, and giving the priests a Holy Fire spell seems accurate. To my knowledge, I haven't seen them return but I also know nothing past FF9 up to 16.
A popular head canon is that the Meteora spell we see in game is only the second level of the Meteo line. Giving us space to imagine an even bigger Meteoga (same to say UltimaRa and UltimaGa, but I don’t know if those ever happened already). That would of course be overkill but we know how show off the ff series likes to be.
Cant help but wonder if Yen Sid taught it to Mickey and Donald and warned them against using it outside of dire circumstances. That would explain Goofy knowing ahead of time what was happening without having first seen it cast before. Maybe Zeta Flare always consumes the life of the caster unless they combine their power with other magic users, similar to the Trinity Limit version of Ultima in KH2.
Calamity Bahamut from FFXIV absolutely used Teraflare. You fight a smaller version of him in the Binding Coils of Bahamut raids, and he uses Teraflare that had the same visual effects Big Boy did at the end of the End of an Era cutscene. The only reason why the continent of Aldenard wasn't evaporated was because Archon Louisoix absorbed the aether and prayers of everyone wishing for salvation and became Phoenix to stop Teraflare. A majority of Calamity Bahamut's damage came from blowing Dalamud's shards across the continent and bathing the land in Megaflares and corrupted aether.
I was going through the descriptions of FF6 Esper attacks and I found Bahamut's Mega Flare to interesting: "Blasts all enemies in Nuclear Energy." This means all versions of Flare is Nuclear in nature. Think along Godzilla's Atomic Breath.
From what I remember, it was just the continent of Eorzea that was destroyed by Bahamut in FF14. So I think it was probably Exaflare that he used and not Zettaflare.
There was another spell used in the ending sequence of Bravely Default which, to my knowledge, has only made the one appearance: "Blaze Bright". It was on a similar, if not higher level to the planet-destroying magic used by Ouroboros
"But why would Donald Duck use a weapon variable of destroying the planet?" United States Army Sergeant Donald Duck: "God I love the smell of Zettaflare in the morning. Smells like... like victory."
The reason Terraflare is known to be used in the cutscene for FFXIV:ARR is that its confirmed in the Coils of Bahamut raid boss. It uses the exact chargeup animation from the cutscene in raid and has a countdown "Bahamut will use terraflare in 10... 9...", eorzea is the only continent affected as well, as its shown pretty clearly that even places neighboring the continent like alamhigo are pretty much untouched by what happened. Flare attacks in general are also often known to be an AOE with purely defined traits, BEEG DAMAGING FIRE. Whereas ultima is often known as a plot device literally just meaning "finale", the ultima spell and ultima weapon being counterparts that change shape and form in the times it appears even in the same series. Mickey knowing ultima makes sense, and ultima getting stopped pretty quickly is also common. FFXIV also shows ultima doing a metric boatload of damage, but it was all localized to a garlean base, a massive one, but not nearly the same range or pure terraforming that Bahamut did in the opening cutscene(the metal above and lives got vaporized by ultima, leaving the only one that survived being the champion with literal -mommy- goddess plot armor, but terraflare revealed a whole ass crystal tower underneath that nobody even had a clue was there until after the calamity, with miles of nothing but pure rock and screwed up environment/weather unique to the area). So it makes sense that people would be more hyped about donald doing the big fire than mickey doing the big plot device.
You guys are all forgetting the ACTUAL most powerful Flare spell , "Level i Flare" (from the world ends with you its user is Sho Minamimoto) wich is a BONKERS spell/psych , Zettaflare is limited by its value (zetta) level i flare has infinite power and infinite reach it can reach wherever your soul and your body is, and I mean on every plane of existence and inexistence its not only a planet buster its a multiplanar buster (I dont even know if that is even a term) the only reason Sho's psych didn't even worked is because Math brain used it against Jesus Christ himself who absorbed (presumedly) part of the spell to shield neku and then teleported to another Dimension
I think you are misunderstanding the spell. It is Level i Flare, as in it casts Flare on enemies with levels divisible by i, the imaginary number. In other words, it is cast on everyone. It's a reference to similar spells in Final Fantasy like Level 5 Death or Level 2 Old where the spell will bypass any resistances the enemies have to unavoidably hit them with the named spell if their level is divisible by the number specified. However it's still only using the spell Flare, a strong black magic spell to be sure, but hardly lethal to most late game Squeenix characters
@@Trivial_Man not quite tho even if it is s reference to levels in the FF saga, its stated that Josh had to flee to another dimension cause the spell would hit both the UG and the RG at the same time lets not forget that Joshua is an extra planar being he does not belong to the UG or the RG nor the noise plane He belongs to a Superior transcending plane and did not flee to that plane He HAD TO MOVE TO ANOTHER DIMENSION, lets not fool ourselves Here Who in the FF series has that kind of power ? Other than the some of the fábula nova gods, omega and shinryu, Maybe Ex Death (?) Cloud of Darkness ?(but that one is more about time, maybe zetta flare is a planet buster (depending on the user) but its not a multiplanar hitting/god buster spell, or are we forgetting that Sephiroth Meteor is a planet buster but can't in no way or form kill you .
Actually, sometime in 2022, they added ronna and quetta to the metric prefix list, meaning the flare spell could go up to 1,000,000 times stronger then zettaflare now. Also, in ff14, I think it might've been pettaflare actually, as the continent of Eorzea while devastated, wasn't destroyed (as it would be with exaflare), and many environments were completely altered permanently, so petta seems right.
Well, Bahamut was kinda forced to shoot that flare early and it was for the most part blocked as well if you finish the Bahamut raids and get the story there. So that devastation was from a blocked ability. It didn't even get to hit it's target, that's the splash damage from the attack. Enough to call it a calamity, ruin the area potentially permanently, and basically be the excuse all warriors of light vanished (for the reboot to bring new ones back.) It could be Zetaflare, but the game explicitly mentions it was Terraflare in the raid, so I'mma follow with the FF14 canon on that.
6:28 HI! ff14 player here! That was most likely Gigaflare at it seems to be the same attack he uses in his raid "The Final Coil of Bahamut - Turn 4" which is also Gigaflare . In that fight, you have to do enough damage to defeat him before he uses it or it KO's the party. Notably, as far as the event of the lore of ff14 go, Bahamut didn't destroy the planet, he rendered it unlivable by creating a massive almost radioactive like magic disturbance that had to be undone by certain forces in game. Killed everything that didn't escape, but as planetary body the planet was still there.
Shoutouts to the OG Zettalord, Sho Minamimoto of another Square game, The World Ends With You. This man unleashes a Level i Flare on your party, a Flare spell that hits every target with a level divisible by any real or imaginary number.
11:22 could the caster,s magic potential also affect spell power? Like why sephirot,s move was more powerfull then it supposed to be could be that he just used [empower magic] or in other words just sed more ,mana, to produse a more piwerfull version of a spell, as well as a reson why the bahamet could use a zeta without side-effects is simply because the donald didn,t have enough ,mana, in his body to pull of a zeta, so he used a ,supplement, of his life-force, like a warlocks in world of warcraft who could sacrifice something to gain more power in return
There is another magic featured in Final Fantasy that is around the level of Zetta Flare and Supernova, and that is Eden's signature move Eternal Breath, featured in both FF8 and FF14.
No, it's a Flare that hits all enemies with a level divisible by i (the imaginary number) in the same vein as Level 5 Death or Level 3 Def-less. In other words, a spell that hits everyone (because all numbers are divisible by i) with what is often considered the most powerful "regular" Black Magic spell
Actually, FFXIV might not have featured Bahamut doing Zetta Flare. But in terms of matching the look of Donald’s spell, Louisaux does use the massive amount of prayers from across the star to propel himself through Bahamut (which dissolves him in the process). So maybe that’s who cast it?
As someone who is a Bravely Default fan, I can confirm, *DO NOT TRUST THE FAIRIES* At least, not the ones on Luxendarc. The ones on Excillant are mostly fine.
Its been a while since i played it, but I'm pretty sure Zeta Flare was a learnable move in Bravely Second. At the very least it was mentioned in a quest as being a baal buster technique
Bear in mind that Dion only used Zettaflare in his Bahamut form after gorging himself in the big crystal. Donald needed no power-up in order to do that. So Donald > Dion
sure Donald pulling off zetta flare is impressive but why is no one talking about how terranort literally survived a world ending spell head on because you still end up fight him later with vanitas and hes not really weaken
I would love a kingdom hearts went with more of a skill tree-based progression system, so if you want to choose the magician route to get stuff like meteor and ultima, have like a physical, magical, and support/ movement free that you can choose from when you level up
the one in FF14 was teraflare. it's shown in the unending coils of bahamut raid. though the bahamut in the raid looks smaller, this is probably either because 1: gameplay limitations or 2: bahamut got his body blown up by louisoix and only the head remain, thus might not be in full power
In the coil raids of ffxiv, you actually get to fight the primal Bahamut which flare move he could use is Teraflare and shares the exact same animation as the one used to nuke Eorzea. Midgardsormr who is the father of the original Bahamut is capable of using a higher version of the spell, exaflare and the version the player fight is in his prime.
In Final Fantasy, the ultimate damage spells are: Flare, Holy, Meteor, and Ultima. They all play different roles depending on the game but the rule of thumb is usually that Holy is about equivalent to Flare in damage and both are single target, and Meteor does less than Flare while hitting all targets, but Ultima does the most damage and hits all targets, the true "ultimate" magic usable by the player. Meanwhile, Bahamuts Megaflare should be roughly comparable to Ultima, since they are practically identical in most gameplay cases. Then Gigaflare is even stronger, then Teraflare, and then finally Exaflare and Zettaflare.
Donald: can cast it without much charge up time, but has to sacrifice his life. Bahamut: can cast it without sacrificing life, but takes way longer to charge.
All users of a spell are not equal. All users of Firaga are not equal. Zetta Flare would have a high mp cost and multiplier, but Donald probobly has a far lower level of magic than Bahamut.
From what I know of FF14 lore bahamut didn't just destroy a continent, but an entire reality and so Eorzea had to be remade in the new reality the characters that were teleported away to... And most don't know this but due to mathematical measurement each tier of Flare spell is calculated as 1000 times stronger than the previous. But not the case between Zetta and Exa, There is still one tier between the two. Flare
That's not what happened at all. He didn't even destroy the one continent, just caused severe damage before he got shot through the heart by Louisoix/Phoenix. The 1.0 Warriors of Light just got teleported 5 years into the future.
I would love to see a fusion of Ultima and Flare used for a show directed by SquareEnix where the previous generation BBEG is defeated by the previous generation Hero using this fusion spell
I mean, people probably don't talk about Ultima as much because the most prominent time it was cast, it wasn't even really intended. Look at Mickey's usage in KH3. He was just trying to kill one dude; massive devastation wasn't his intention either.
Stopza being able to stop ultima feels kinda understandable, not being in the same power level, but being able to stop the cast in the middle of it and even forcing mickey to cast ultima before being completed, and as such, being a lot weaker (also, feels like the type of thing a villain like Xehanort would pull off and that would give them a really badass moment). I don't know, feels like an interesting way to make some of the magics in KH being less of raw power and more of a sittuation of "this spell might be strong, but it doesn't matter if you can't pull it off in time" type of spell. Would also explain why they didn't use it before, as it was a risky move that could be countered, so they only use it when things are going terribly wrong.
Hey this is a great video, can you please do more of these? Compare more final fantasy games to what’s happened in kh games? I love how long this video is, please please please make more
Idk, I would assume that Donald, as the court magician, practices his magic quite a lot and perhaps casted it in practice once before (hopefully aiming away from any habitable planets), and it nearly killed him. Hell, if the different game series are parallel, not all connected, then for all we know Donald DEVELOPED Zetta Flair as a fire spell to rival Mickey’s Ultima or vise versa.
I'd say Tera Flare for FFXIV Bahamut is pretty accurate. It didn't "End the whole world", it scarred a pretty big chunk sure. But only a small part of the continent of Eorzea was really turned into a no mans land. Plenty of people also survived the events and live on to A Realm Reborn. If it was exaflare, there would be no more Eorzea. If it were Zeta, goodbye Hydaelyn.
The Umbral Calamities aren't necessarily world ending events, they're all *felt* around the world, but they're usually pretty localized to the inciting event. In the case of the 7th Umbral Calamity and Bahamut, it's believed he's using Teraflare because that is his enrage mechanic in his raid. However, it stands to reason that Bahamut Prime is weaker than full power Bahamut, and as such, does not have access to the same level of Flare. That being said, we also have seen Exaflare in ff14, it's the move Shinryu uses. Shinryu is thought to be stronger than Bahamut (however, nothing backs this statement up). Based on what we see in ff14, I believe Bahamut was attempting Exaflare, since it was ultimately a continent-wide attack (spanning all of Eorzea). The attack was prevented from finishing, but the fallout of the attack still quite literally poisoned the land for all time, causing growths of corrupted crystals which quite literally poison and burn you to touch them.
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I love how the developers just accepted the memes and gave Donald such a badass moment for KH3 💀
Of course Goofy saw Donald use Zettaflare before. Where do you think Deep Jungle went?
Can't help but notice Goofy didn't try to stop THAT Zettaflare...
@@nharviala Tarzan’s lawyers gave Donald the OK
@@nharviala to much politics and Mickey didn’t want to deal with it so Goofy was put on standby
Terranort getting one shot by a talking duck was easily one of the highlights of that entire game.
Alt explanation for Goofy's knowledge of Zettaflare: He is actually the one who used it first and swore off magic entirely as a result of the detrimental effects it had on him. This would explain his deep knowledge of magic and its mechanics (able to identify the Zettaflare solely by the light, sigils, and body movements) yet his inability, or rather his disinclination, to use magic in-game.
**looks at the inability word** or maybe it completely burned out his ability to use magic, leaving him in a Thancred situation.
The throwback to Donald healing Hades in RECoM lmao, I felt your pain when I saw that the first time
😂lmao
I don't know how many people noticed this, but when Mickey is countering the darkness beams from the "Real Org 13" he is using Ultima as a sort of "shield" to stop the beam from hitting him. You can see the same orb and "runes" that Ultima produces when he attacks Xehanort, it's just hard to see because of the glow.
Mickey is one of the few people that know -Za spells
@@soraxstacy1477 Imagine the plot twist if it were ever revealed that -Ma was a level of spell, and not just exclusive to Ultima.
@@TheTolnocI always liked the idea that there was possible for a superpowful mage to unlock higher levels of ultima. Imagine a villain blasting out Ultimara and realizing that there are levels beyond what we ever knew possible.
@@ltericdavis2237 I mean... there are. You might not have played the full FFXIII trilogy, but I did. The final boss in Lightning Returns pulls out Ultimaga. Blocking well is a must in that game.
For context on the fairy, she was drawing power from the final boss of Bravely Default and would often combo it by using a spell to lower the party's elemental resistances and if your not ready for it she can quickly wipe your party.
In addition, iirc she only got away with using Zetta flare because she got some power from the final boss.
Having beaten Bravely Default for the first time a week ago, I don't think that's the case. She spams Zettaflare in her fake final boss where you haven't awakened the 20 crystals either.
@@zeelyweely1590 I can believe that tbh, it’s been a long time since I’ve last played Bravely default
Doesn't she also fuse with time copies of herself or something?
@@beastwarsFTW More she had the memories of all the selves where she tricked and killed the party. I don't believe she merged with her other selves in a physical or magical sense.
One thing I want to point out is that in my own research on the subject of Zetaflare, of the 3 known users of this spell, 2 of them were relying on external sources of additional power to cast this spell. Donald remains the only caster to EXCLUSIVELY rely solely on his own power and resources to cast Zetaflare.
If anything, I think this points to Ouroboros being the strongest magic caster in all of Final Fantasy.
My headcanon for how Donald knows zettaflare is either he was taught it or found out how to do it when he wasn’t supposed to, tried casting it, failed, but it still knocked him out for several months. It seems like only Goofy knows about it since Mickey seemed surprised not concerned on what Donald was doing.
My headcanon is Donald doesn't have the magic to cast zettaflare but his bad luck has made him basically unkillable. The last time someone tried to cast a black magic spell beyond their ability it ended up killing them.
Something I want to point out about flare magic, in the world ends with you there's another flare spell potentially more powerful than Zeta Flare known as iFlare. The final boss of week 2 uses it to wipe out Neku and Joshua. Of course he doesn't succeed but the only reason it didn't was Joshua sent himself and Neku outside of the UG which is the only way to escape it since iFlare covers the entirety of the plain you're on. So picture an explosion the size of the universe.
The Level i Flare is... weird. The "level" part is the most important, as the "standard" Flare spell generally used by actual playable characters at least _used to_ have a level attached to it. This wasn't exactly a measure of power like the data size prefixes used by Bahamut and such though.
How it worked was that the attack would check the levels of the enemies, and if their level is a multiple of the Flare's level, they get hit by it. For example, a Level 3 Flare would hit all enemies whose level is a multiple of 3. Sho Minamimoto used a Level _i_ Flare, meaning that the level multiple required to hit with it... is an imaginary number. So it hits literally everything. So it maybe has more _range_ than a Zettaflare, but power is kinda questionable.
@@thomasthecoolkid7228 Level i Flare is my favorite spell that Squeenix has ever dreamed up because it's so completely perfect for what it's supposed to be. The game themes, the references, Sho's nerdy character, it even makes sense in the plot and could easily slip by without anyone realizing it's significance and brilliance. TWEWY was so dang good
TWEWY MENTIONED!!!!!
I still support that the FF14 flare is Teraflare because typically the way magic works is that the tier of the spell AND the power of the caster themselves matter. Yes, the FF14 flare did end a world, but it was also being cast by BAHAMUT! If you launch a pebble at mach 20 it is going to be fatal despite being just a pebble. A lower-tier spell cast by a higher-tier caster is still stronger than a higher-tier spell being cast by a lower-tier caster.
That said, Donald being able to cast Zetaflare AT ALL is massively impressive regardless.
It's gotta be a minimum of Teraflare since the WoL has Teraflare as their Summoner LB3, directly due to experiencing it during the Calamity.
I think it's also worth noting that the terraflare cast didn't *end* the world, but did cause mass devastation and aetherial corruption across a continent. Aided of course by the shards of Dalamud.
@@nuclearsynapse5319TBF, Bahamut was gonna destroy the world or at least knock it back to a Stone Age like previous calamities. But was only stopped because of Louisox invoking the power of Phoenix. That’s not to say it’s was any less of a threat, but given the gimped version basically forced an entire continent to rebuild it’s still very powerful
doesn't bahamuts natural cap allow him to go up to exaflare? (the level below zeta)
I think that Teraflare was the correct wording, because it isn’t the singular cast that caused the calamity. You’ll notice what looks like astral aspected aether spewing into the land the moment Bahamut breaks free. This would also explain why that singular cast of Teraflare was so strong: it’s nearly an entire Shard’s aether in a singular spell.
But let's not forget something, it's because of the mothercrystal core that Bahamut in FFXVI is capable of doing that incredible spell, we don't see him using that spell later in the game while Donald didn't need an external force but rather his energy to cast it, I think that gives some points to Donald's Zettaflare
Also, airy the fairy was channeling a god as a conduit in order to do zettaflare. So, donald is the only person without a "super being was involved" caveat to use it.
He died after that tho so he literally had to use his Life force to cast it
@@Keyblademaster_Koloss apparently he only passed out. It says in one of the reports or something. Probably did take some years off his life
he didn't die dude. bro probably went into a coma or something cuz riku said that they still had their hearts after the giant heartless swarm took everybody and made sora think they lost.@@Keyblademaster_Koloss
@@Keyblademaster_Koloss but not an external force, that's my point
In 14, Bahamut didnt destroy the whole world ,but a part of a continent (Eorzea), and part of the destruction was mostly because of the "asteroids" that came from the "Red moom" dalamud that was containing the guy. 14's world is huge and 10 years later it is still not fully explored.
Iirc though he also didn’t actually cast it; he was still charging it up and it was interrupted
@@Hello-lf1xs umm, Bahamut did cast it, that's the attack that Louisoix went all DBZ to stop and throw back.
Yeah, it didn't end the world at all. It caused an insane amount of damage and permanently altered areas in Eorzea, but the world is definitely still kicking lol
That isn't what destroyed the world. The rejoining destroyed the world. Bahamut was the trigger that caused that rejoining to happen by pushing the worlds ether towards fire.
Donald Duck is such a boss, he condensed ALL the power of Zettaflare to aim it at his opponent instead of destroying the whole planet!
Hm maybe that's why using it puts him in a coma. He could just cast normally but have a load of collateral damage around him and potentially hurt or worse his friends, so he pushes hia body to focus the spell into a single condensed beam
Or maybe using it regardless would wreck his body but focusing it amplifies the kickback
Nah, probably kept going and wiped out Atlantis
Donald is not just strong and skilled enough a mage to use Zettaflare, but also be able to twist and focus the spell into a small(ish) singular beam. Yes, it wrecks him to do it, but in all magic systems in games, that level of metamagic or change makes the spell HARDER to cast. So kudos to the duck.
There is also the base Flare spell, that's typically viewed as the most powerful Black magic in Final Fantasy lore.
Also, fun fact about Bravely Default. It's got a second name attached to it, especially the Japanese version, called The Fairy Flies. However, a little nod to the twist ending, as the title fades, the two F's (possibly also a nod to Final Fantasy) fade away first, leaving just Airy Lies before it too fades away.
Thankfully, it only fades off once you find that out in the story, which I loved that little nod.
Localized version is called Flying Fairy which has a similar effect with it saying Lying Airy after the twist
The English version changing from "where the fairy flies" to "airy lies" after I tried to break a crystal literally made my jaw drop the first time I saw it. It's so rare to see a game acknowledge what you've done by making changes to the title screen. It gives it a sort of "things will never be the same" feeling.
In ff14, even though bahamut uses Teraflare, he's also MASSIVE. so despite the fact that it's not Zetta, it's still capable of causing severe destruction just based on his size alone. Kind of makes you wonder just how a Zettflare would look from FF14's Bahamut.
That's something people forget, he was kept in a prison the size of the moon, meaning he's basically a moon attacking the world
Donald Duck and gay Bahamut being the two most well known characters to use this spell is actually wild
Gay Bahamut, aka Primeus, is a different character from Final Fantasy's Bahamut. Primeus is literally just a godly immortal "fish on a wall" animatronic and a joke character in the fighting game engine "MUGEN."
@@KrimsonKattYT I'm pretty sure they're making a joke about Dion, because he is homosexual, and the Dominant of Bahamut, therefore, Gay Bahamut.
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Only Gay Bahamut would be so extra as to use zettaflare for the first time. We, the gays, love to be extra like that. We can’t be upstaged by REGULAR Bahamut.
Bravely Second holds the secrets of another ancient, forgotten version of flare...
Femto Flare
Quite possibly my favorite joke in all of gaming, while other flare magic is named after metric prefixes of increasing magnitude, Femto- is one of the smallest named prefixes, representing a magnitude of one quadrillionth, which is 10 raised to -15.
Bahamut in ff14 is a raid boss and its strongest move in that raid is exoflare, sadly no zeta flare. Donald duck in kh3, bahamut warden of light in ff16 and airy in bravely default are the only ones known to explicitly cast zeta flare.
Terraflare actually
In the Final Coil of Bahamut the strongest attack Bahamut used was Terraflare in which to survive it, a Tank in the party has to use a Lv 3 Limit Break to reduce the damage. The player character in 14 can also use Terraflare as a Lv 3 Limit Break if they're a Summoner and I think it's insane that Donald Duck has the potential to be stronger then a Warrior of Light.
@@asteroidxarmageddon2354the wol goes on to fight stronger enemies so nah
@josephjager9156 Ok, tell me then. What's the strongest attack the WoL has withstood thus far? By my recollection, that would be Athena's Ultima in Pandæmonium. Donald Duck over here is casting a spell that could (power-level wise) cause a Calamity one thousand times over.
Talk to me when the WoL is shown to tank an attack capable of causing a Calamity one thousand times over.
@@asteroidxarmageddon2354 Ultimate End from thordan, Elidbus's LB4, Every move from the Endsinger are all far stronger attacks then what the ancients considered their best magic. Donald's zettaflare only shares it's name with Dion's and nothing more lmao.
*Airy boss battle PTSD intensifies*
I’ve never experienced Donald screwing me over except in chain of memories
Donald Duck is GODTIER now, the biggest redemption since DMC4SE Vergil
All they would have needed to do was keep Xehanort still long enough to fire it off and Donald probably would solo him
And seems like Donald not healing you right is because he knows he can end you in an instant and is DARING Sora to talk back about the healing. 😂😂
FFXIV 1.0 vet here. Just pointing out that the Summoner LB3 is Terraflare and looks identical to what Bahamut was doing. We also have Exaflare in fights with him and other powerful dragons and they just move differently than Terraflare, so they're dodge-able and of course are instant death most times if you get caught by one. Most likely what Bahamut was doing in the end of 1.0 and trailer for ARR is actually just Terraflare, but he's popping it off at-will...so he could potentially use Zetaflare maybe, but had no need of it since he was already doing the job with Terra.
airy can spam fire Zeta Flare by the way. Once per turn if You let her.
And she precedes it with Acedia to make sure you are weak to it and it will destroy your party if you don’t have counters like Stillness
When it comes to powerfull SE spells, there is The World Ends With You's Level i Flare. While it is somewhat countered in-game, using the FF nomenclature leads to the conclusion that it can destroy anything in the imaginary realm (UG). And that's hillarious.
Well, it would destroy everything that couldn't survive a standard Flare spell. It would have really messed stuff up in TWEWY, but even some late game random encounters can take those in Final Fantasy, to say nothing of bosses
@@Trivial_Mani mean, it took a god-like being timeline/dimension hopping to dodge it if i remember correctly
There’s also the fact that the Teraflares and Exaflares seen in the actual gameplay of FFXIV are nowhere near as devastating as what’s seen in the ARR intro. I like to think “Zeta Flare” is a lesser form of the true Zettaflare, as if Airy is holding back to either toy with the party, or to not obliterate the world her master seeks to devour.
In regards to what you said about Airy and Bravely Default, Airy isn't just a fairy. She's a monster and essentially a right-hand woman in-service to the god of destruction. It'd only make sense that she'd have access to a highly destructive spell like Zetta Flare.
I'm pretty sure Donald did die when he casted Zeta flare. I'm guessing Disney wanted to censor his unintended suicide so they just put "he collapsed" in Jiminy's Journal. You were right on the money with that particle effect; it was only ever used for Strelitzia's literal death, apart from the Zeta Flare scene.
Honestly, it'd be interesting if things properly went beyond the Zettaflare. Because I feel like Aqua probably would've berated Donald once he woke up because he basically killed Terra, and now they can't get him back.
Thanks to Sora and the magic star that never happened, so Donald's bacon is saved
@@realmdarkness The "magic Star" (actually "nameless star") actually has a name you know, Stella Freya. Nickname: Sora.
@@KrimsonKattYT That's Strelitzia (appears at KH4/KHIV trailer) 🧡
uh how do you know? and why would the strelitzia know yozora?@@longlovelive77
@@KrimsonKattYTok but where was that name revealed
Funny thing, Donald’s flare spell is larger than Dion’s flare spell. So Donald should have a substantially larger zettaflare than planetary (maybe only large planet busting, but I suspect star busting)
I definitely need sora to step up his magic game. I hope we get the bbs mixing mechanic backs we could finally craft powerful magic for kh4
My opinion is kind of the opposite, really.
I really hope they DONT make magic even stronger in kh. I get that flashy lights and explosions are cool, but it makes it even more difficult to understand scaling in games if it gets too out of hand.
On top of that, Tier 4 magic in kh3 was already disorienting, if they go even beyond that ill just go blind LOL
Zetaflare isn't the most powerful attack in Final Fantasy. The ACTUAL strongest attack is "12^2 Curse of Extinction" which is an secret attack used by the final boss Zeromus in the original SNES version of FF4 that DELETES THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE AND CAN BRICK YOUR CONSOLE OR PC.
How the attack worked starts like this. The way FF4 calculated "floors" is very weird as every map is considered a "floor" in relation to another map. Basically it uses a hidden variable to check the "floor" value to set your location every time you transfer maps. However, there are 3 stairways in the game that are bugged to not properly configure the floor value. These three staircases are located in Dwarven Castle, the Lunar Caves, and the final dungeon the Lunar Subterranean.
If you go to three specific staircases and travel up and down them 64 times, you will trigger the Zeromus' "curse of extinction" attack. Depending on your inputs in the few frames following the attack various things can happen, since the game is in a completely broken and very volatile state where the smallest input can destroy everything. Based on your inputs various things could happen including:
1: Teleporting you a particular map based on your inputs.
2: Deleting all your save files.
3: Bricking your game. (if on an emulator the ROM file is corrupted and can no longer be read)
4: Bricking your console or PC (blue screen of death if playing on an emulator)
The first option is actually used in FF4 speedruns to skip straight from the Dwarven Castle to the final boss room after getting all the proper event flags, cutting the speedrun by almost half. However using the glitch is incredibly risky as one failed input and your entire save, game cartridge/ROM, or even entire SNES/PC could be ruined beyond repair. This was originally just an obscure glitch, but there was an interview with Squaresoft West in Nintendo Power about the game and Squaresoft canonized the glitch as "Zeromus' ultimate secret attack" called "12^2 Curse of Extinction" that triggers as a trap Zeromus laid in certain stairs to LITERALLY DELETE THE UNIVERSE if you make the wrong move. The "12^2" of the attack being a reference of how many times you have to use the stairs (64 times) to trigger the glitch. This "attack" (actually a glitch) is therefore the strongest attack in Final Fantasy as it is the only attack in the series that can impact the real world and delete your saves or even entire PC. This also makes Zeromus the strongest villain, final boss, and antagonist in the series by a long mile.
Thankfully they patched this glitch in the GBA port and the glitch is not present also in the PSP, DS, Mobile, Steam, and Pixel Remaster versions. The glitch can still be found in the JP SNES, US SNES, EasyType, and PSX versions to this day.
I've never ever heard of ANYTHING that would blue screen your PC instead of just crashing the emulator
Sounds raw as fuck
Here's some additional info about FFXIV's Bahamut casting that Flare magic:
-The Limit Break level 3 of the Summoner job temporarily fuses themself with a simulacrum of the pure energy Bahamut used(also a skill called Dreadwyrm Trance), and casts Teraflare in a wide area of their choosing.
-Exaflare has been used multiple times throughout the game(there even is variations of it too), starting with Shinryu casting it during their fight against the player in 2017 during the Stormblood expansion.
Considering this information and the scale of Bahamut's rampage during the cinematic(which, from what we know nowadays in the story wasn't destructive enough to end the world, even though Bahamut was actually stronger than he should have been for antagonist-related reasons), it would be fair to say that this incarnation of Bahamut is casting a Teraflare, not a Zetaflare imo.
wasn't it midgardsormr in alphascape 2.0 who used exaflare? i can't seem to recall it appearing in the shinryu fight..
I wish ultima still got the love it used to have before they expanded the Flare line-up past Giga-Flare. I think it would be really cool to see someone realize that Ultima is actually one of the only -Ma spells to exist and they didn't realize it. there is -Ra, -Ga, -Ja, -Za, so having Ultima being the only (or one of the only) -Ma spells would solidify it's presence as being above most of the other spells (with exception for Flare which uses a different scaling).
9:50 Donald is about to go hard in KH4
Would really appreciate more videos like this dude. Going over these topics, lore, etc.
Well Cyn, to be completely honest the power of the most infamously destructive spells of the FF saga (and the same can be said for almost any SE game) frequently depends on the context and lore of the game they're found in.
For example, in the majority of the FF games, Meteor is simply an extremely powerful magic (way more than Flare) that sometimes, in enhanced forms, can also serve as signature move of the main villain of the game (ex: Starfall XVI for Emperor Mateus or Twin Meteors for Golbez) while instead, in FFVII, Meteor is an apocalyptic entity capable to end the world, summonable only by Sephiroth and stoppable only by Aerith and only via Holy; given this, the three Zettaflares may even be three entirely different spells despite having the same name.
Aside from that, as i already said in another video of yours, i really don't get how any KH fan who is also an FF fan could actually being surprised by this Donald/Bravely Defaut's Fairy fact; i mean, the strongest mage in the FF series and probably in the entire SE universe is F.KING SHANTOTTO!! What did you expect? (Oh, and just to be clear, with "the strongest" I don't mean "by a bit", i mean "by a landslide").
What's neat is that FF16 is the first time out of three confirmed uses that Zettaflare was used to directly *threaten* a planet.
The other two had extremely good reasons why they were not used to destroy worlds.
Donald's a Disney Hero, so he has good reason to aim his attack away from a world.
Airy's master eats planets. (that's what Armageddon is, Ouroborous grabbing and eating a planet)
So it would be counter-intuitive to destory the thing her boss wants to eat.
Plus the fight where she uses the Zetaflare is in another dimension.
Something i should tell you about Bahamut in FF14 is we do get to fight him in the final part of the Coils of Bahamut raid series, but in a weakened state. In that fight he uses the exact attack we see Bahamut in the cinematic charge up before everyone gets time traveled a few years into the future, this move is named Teraflare.
Ultima, also known as the "I cast kill everything in this general direction!" move of final fantasy games. Ultima is usually always a massive non-elemental AoE that destroys everything with quad 9's across the board, while flare is relegated to be a single target spell with around the same power of ultima. I like to think of the ultima spells as an Ultimatum, wiping everything in front of the caster while also being indiscriminate in its destruction. Basically, if there was an evil or neutral flare, it would be Ultima. I always pictured white mages or good guys using flare spells for its single-target destruction and neutrally affiliated or evil characters using ultima to indiscriminately destroy everything. The reason why I say white mages specifically is because of the Dia spells from FF1, and giving the priests a Holy Fire spell seems accurate. To my knowledge, I haven't seen them return but I also know nothing past FF9 up to 16.
I always love when he uploads love the personality 😂
A popular head canon is that the Meteora spell we see in game is only the second level of the Meteo line. Giving us space to imagine an even bigger Meteoga (same to say UltimaRa and UltimaGa, but I don’t know if those ever happened already). That would of course be overkill but we know how show off the ff series likes to be.
Cant help but wonder if Yen Sid taught it to Mickey and Donald and warned them against using it outside of dire circumstances. That would explain Goofy knowing ahead of time what was happening without having first seen it cast before. Maybe Zeta Flare always consumes the life of the caster unless they combine their power with other magic users, similar to the Trinity Limit version of Ultima in KH2.
No matter how many times people tell me "Donald is not healing me" it never was an issue for me and Donald will always be my BEST BOI
Calamity Bahamut from FFXIV absolutely used Teraflare. You fight a smaller version of him in the Binding Coils of Bahamut raids, and he uses Teraflare that had the same visual effects Big Boy did at the end of the End of an Era cutscene. The only reason why the continent of Aldenard wasn't evaporated was because Archon Louisoix absorbed the aether and prayers of everyone wishing for salvation and became Phoenix to stop Teraflare.
A majority of Calamity Bahamut's damage came from blowing Dalamud's shards across the continent and bathing the land in Megaflares and corrupted aether.
I think its important to note that Bahamut in 16 had to use the power of the mother crystal to use Zettaflare. Donald just did it by his self.
Donald Duck really UNALIVED Xehanort with that move before the time travel reboot happened lol.
Level i Zeta Flare: for when you want to tell existence "F everything about you".
I was going through the descriptions of FF6 Esper attacks and I found Bahamut's Mega Flare to interesting:
"Blasts all enemies in Nuclear Energy."
This means all versions of Flare is Nuclear in nature. Think along Godzilla's Atomic Breath.
So if Godzilla travelled into a SE dimension, his beams would be considered flares?
@@omnibeta1876 A super powerful version of it, yeah!
From what I remember, it was just the continent of Eorzea that was destroyed by Bahamut in FF14. So I think it was probably Exaflare that he used and not Zettaflare.
There was another spell used in the ending sequence of Bravely Default which, to my knowledge, has only made the one appearance: "Blaze Bright". It was on a similar, if not higher level to the planet-destroying magic used by Ouroboros
I'm a simple man, I see someone using Airy in a Zetaflare thumbnail, and I click.
"But why would Donald Duck use a weapon variable of destroying the planet?"
United States Army Sergeant Donald Duck: "God I love the smell of Zettaflare in the morning. Smells like... like victory."
The reason Terraflare is known to be used in the cutscene for FFXIV:ARR is that its confirmed in the Coils of Bahamut raid boss. It uses the exact chargeup animation from the cutscene in raid and has a countdown "Bahamut will use terraflare in 10... 9...", eorzea is the only continent affected as well, as its shown pretty clearly that even places neighboring the continent like alamhigo are pretty much untouched by what happened.
Flare attacks in general are also often known to be an AOE with purely defined traits, BEEG DAMAGING FIRE. Whereas ultima is often known as a plot device literally just meaning "finale", the ultima spell and ultima weapon being counterparts that change shape and form in the times it appears even in the same series. Mickey knowing ultima makes sense, and ultima getting stopped pretty quickly is also common. FFXIV also shows ultima doing a metric boatload of damage, but it was all localized to a garlean base, a massive one, but not nearly the same range or pure terraforming that Bahamut did in the opening cutscene(the metal above and lives got vaporized by ultima, leaving the only one that survived being the champion with literal -mommy- goddess plot armor, but terraflare revealed a whole ass crystal tower underneath that nobody even had a clue was there until after the calamity, with miles of nothing but pure rock and screwed up environment/weather unique to the area).
So it makes sense that people would be more hyped about donald doing the big fire than mickey doing the big plot device.
"Donald duck pulled off an attack that could quite literally destroy an entire world"
NOT THE OUT OF CONTEXT LINES AGAIN
The fact that a duck and a fairy are in the same league as a literal Dragon God is hilarious 😂
I hear you talking about Flare, Megaflare, Gigaflare, Exaflare... but what about centiflare, milliflare, and nanoflare?
In the ffxv novel, it is confirmed that terraflare can end the world.
Also supernova is actually an illusion spell.
Think they soft retcon that Bahamut only really harmed one continent with his flare ramapage in FF14, so it would make sense that its a lesser flare.
You guys are all forgetting the ACTUAL most powerful Flare spell , "Level i Flare" (from the world ends with you its user is Sho Minamimoto) wich is a BONKERS spell/psych , Zettaflare is limited by its value (zetta) level i flare has infinite power and infinite reach it can reach wherever your soul and your body is, and I mean on every plane of existence and inexistence its not only a planet buster its a multiplanar buster (I dont even know if that is even a term) the only reason Sho's psych didn't even worked is because Math brain used it against Jesus Christ himself who absorbed (presumedly) part of the spell to shield neku and then teleported to another Dimension
I think you are misunderstanding the spell. It is Level i Flare, as in it casts Flare on enemies with levels divisible by i, the imaginary number. In other words, it is cast on everyone. It's a reference to similar spells in Final Fantasy like Level 5 Death or Level 2 Old where the spell will bypass any resistances the enemies have to unavoidably hit them with the named spell if their level is divisible by the number specified. However it's still only using the spell Flare, a strong black magic spell to be sure, but hardly lethal to most late game Squeenix characters
@@Trivial_Man not quite tho even if it is s reference to levels in the FF saga, its stated that Josh had to flee to another dimension cause the spell would hit both the UG and the RG at the same time lets not forget that Joshua is an extra planar being he does not belong to the UG or the RG nor the noise plane He belongs to a Superior transcending plane and did not flee to that plane He HAD TO MOVE TO ANOTHER DIMENSION, lets not fool ourselves Here Who in the FF series has that kind of power ? Other than the some of the fábula nova gods, omega and shinryu, Maybe Ex Death (?) Cloud of Darkness ?(but that one is more about time, maybe zetta flare is a planet buster (depending on the user) but its not a multiplanar hitting/god buster spell, or are we forgetting that Sephiroth Meteor is a planet buster but can't in no way or form kill you .
Actually, sometime in 2022, they added ronna and quetta to the metric prefix list, meaning the flare spell could go up to 1,000,000 times stronger then zettaflare now.
Also, in ff14, I think it might've been pettaflare actually, as the continent of Eorzea while devastated, wasn't destroyed (as it would be with exaflare), and many environments were completely altered permanently, so petta seems right.
Well, Bahamut was kinda forced to shoot that flare early and it was for the most part blocked as well if you finish the Bahamut raids and get the story there. So that devastation was from a blocked ability. It didn't even get to hit it's target, that's the splash damage from the attack. Enough to call it a calamity, ruin the area potentially permanently, and basically be the excuse all warriors of light vanished (for the reboot to bring new ones back.)
It could be Zetaflare, but the game explicitly mentions it was Terraflare in the raid, so I'mma follow with the FF14 canon on that.
I hate the donald healing meme so much
6:28 HI! ff14 player here! That was most likely Gigaflare at it seems to be the same attack he uses in his raid "The Final Coil of Bahamut - Turn 4" which is also Gigaflare . In that fight, you have to do enough damage to defeat him before he uses it or it KO's the party. Notably, as far as the event of the lore of ff14 go, Bahamut didn't destroy the planet, he rendered it unlivable by creating a massive almost radioactive like magic disturbance that had to be undone by certain forces in game. Killed everything that didn't escape, but as planetary body the planet was still there.
We need zettaflare limit in kh4
Fr tho
Shoutouts to the OG Zettalord, Sho Minamimoto of another Square game, The World Ends With You. This man unleashes a Level i Flare on your party, a Flare spell that hits every target with a level divisible by any real or imaginary number.
11:22 could the caster,s magic potential also affect spell power? Like why sephirot,s move was more powerfull then it supposed to be could be that he just used [empower magic] or in other words just sed more ,mana, to produse a more piwerfull version of a spell, as well as a reson why the bahamet could use a zeta without side-effects is simply because the donald didn,t have enough ,mana, in his body to pull of a zeta, so he used a ,supplement, of his life-force, like a warlocks in world of warcraft who could sacrifice something to gain more power in return
That duck is op
There is another magic featured in Final Fantasy that is around the level of Zetta Flare and Supernova, and that is Eden's signature move Eternal Breath, featured in both FF8 and FF14.
Love your analysis and lore diving my dude!
Funny part is that I got to the fight last night in FF16 I started freak out when he use it and my friend was like Donald Duck!?
Level i Flare from TWEWY is the strongest Flare. its a Flare so strong that no rational number can quantify its power.
No, it's a Flare that hits all enemies with a level divisible by i (the imaginary number) in the same vein as Level 5 Death or Level 3 Def-less. In other words, a spell that hits everyone (because all numbers are divisible by i) with what is often considered the most powerful "regular" Black Magic spell
Actually, FFXIV might not have featured Bahamut doing Zetta Flare. But in terms of matching the look of Donald’s spell, Louisaux does use the massive amount of prayers from across the star to propel himself through Bahamut (which dissolves him in the process). So maybe that’s who cast it?
Should be noted that of the three users of Zetta, Donald is the only character to not utilize any boost in power beforehand.
Explaination: Donald was mad. Literally no more explaination is needed👍
As someone who is a Bravely Default fan, I can confirm, *DO NOT TRUST THE FAIRIES* At least, not the ones on Luxendarc. The ones on Excillant are mostly fine.
Its been a while since i played it, but I'm pretty sure Zeta Flare was a learnable move in Bravely Second. At the very least it was mentioned in a quest as being a baal buster technique
Bear in mind that Dion only used Zettaflare in his Bahamut form after gorging himself in the big crystal. Donald needed no power-up in order to do that. So Donald > Dion
sure Donald pulling off zetta flare is impressive but why is no one talking about how terranort literally survived a world ending spell head on because you still end up fight him later with vanitas and hes not really weaken
I would love a kingdom hearts went with more of a skill tree-based progression system, so if you want to choose the magician route to get stuff like meteor and ultima, have like a physical, magical, and support/ movement free that you can choose from when you level up
I don’t think I have ever heard the term “pull off” in a video so many times.
the one in FF14 was teraflare. it's shown in the unending coils of bahamut raid.
though the bahamut in the raid looks smaller, this is probably either because 1: gameplay limitations or 2: bahamut got his body blown up by louisoix and only the head remain, thus might not be in full power
In the coil raids of ffxiv, you actually get to fight the primal Bahamut which flare move he could use is Teraflare and shares the exact same animation as the one used to nuke Eorzea. Midgardsormr who is the father of the original Bahamut is capable of using a higher version of the spell, exaflare and the version the player fight is in his prime.
In Final Fantasy, the ultimate damage spells are: Flare, Holy, Meteor, and Ultima. They all play different roles depending on the game but the rule of thumb is usually that Holy is about equivalent to Flare in damage and both are single target, and Meteor does less than Flare while hitting all targets, but Ultima does the most damage and hits all targets, the true "ultimate" magic usable by the player. Meanwhile, Bahamuts Megaflare should be roughly comparable to Ultima, since they are practically identical in most gameplay cases. Then Gigaflare is even stronger, then Teraflare, and then finally Exaflare and Zettaflare.
Donald: can cast it without much charge up time, but has to sacrifice his life. Bahamut: can cast it without sacrificing life, but takes way longer to charge.
16’s bahamut is also in the exclusive club of using zetaflare
All users of a spell are not equal. All users of Firaga are not equal.
Zetta Flare would have a high mp cost and multiplier, but Donald probobly has a far lower level of magic than Bahamut.
Bahamut in 14 didn't use Zetaflare as it didn't destroy Eorza completely but a bug chunk of it. Probably more Exaflare
From what I know of FF14 lore bahamut didn't just destroy a continent, but an entire reality and so Eorzea had to be remade in the new reality the characters that were teleported away to... And most don't know this but due to mathematical measurement each tier of Flare spell is calculated as 1000 times stronger than the previous. But not the case between Zetta and Exa, There is still one tier between the two. Flare
That's not what happened at all. He didn't even destroy the one continent, just caused severe damage before he got shot through the heart by Louisoix/Phoenix. The 1.0 Warriors of Light just got teleported 5 years into the future.
Zeta flare is target spell thats why its laser hit teranort in that size because it depends how large the target is what the size the zeta flare is.
I would love to see a fusion of Ultima and Flare used for a show directed by SquareEnix where the previous generation BBEG is defeated by the previous generation Hero using this fusion spell
I mean, people probably don't talk about Ultima as much because the most prominent time it was cast, it wasn't even really intended. Look at Mickey's usage in KH3. He was just trying to kill one dude; massive devastation wasn't his intention either.
Stopza being able to stop ultima feels kinda understandable, not being in the same power level, but being able to stop the cast in the middle of it and even forcing mickey to cast ultima before being completed, and as such, being a lot weaker (also, feels like the type of thing a villain like Xehanort would pull off and that would give them a really badass moment). I don't know, feels like an interesting way to make some of the magics in KH being less of raw power and more of a sittuation of "this spell might be strong, but it doesn't matter if you can't pull it off in time" type of spell. Would also explain why they didn't use it before, as it was a risky move that could be countered, so they only use it when things are going terribly wrong.
pretty sure one winged angel and supernova also serve as boss attacks like zetta flare that have become mainstays in the series for big baddies
All the moments Donald didn't healed you led to this single moment for him.
Hey this is a great video, can you please do more of these? Compare more final fantasy games to what’s happened in kh games? I love how long this video is, please please please make more
Dragon, Fairy, Duck is my favorite rock paper scissors equivalent
Idk, I would assume that Donald, as the court magician, practices his magic quite a lot and perhaps casted it in practice once before (hopefully aiming away from any habitable planets), and it nearly killed him. Hell, if the different game series are parallel, not all connected, then for all we know Donald DEVELOPED Zetta Flair as a fire spell to rival Mickey’s Ultima or vise versa.
I'd say Tera Flare for FFXIV Bahamut is pretty accurate. It didn't "End the whole world", it scarred a pretty big chunk sure. But only a small part of the continent of Eorzea was really turned into a no mans land. Plenty of people also survived the events and live on to A Realm Reborn. If it was exaflare, there would be no more Eorzea. If it were Zeta, goodbye Hydaelyn.
The Umbral Calamities aren't necessarily world ending events, they're all *felt* around the world, but they're usually pretty localized to the inciting event. In the case of the 7th Umbral Calamity and Bahamut, it's believed he's using Teraflare because that is his enrage mechanic in his raid. However, it stands to reason that Bahamut Prime is weaker than full power Bahamut, and as such, does not have access to the same level of Flare. That being said, we also have seen Exaflare in ff14, it's the move Shinryu uses. Shinryu is thought to be stronger than Bahamut (however, nothing backs this statement up).
Based on what we see in ff14, I believe Bahamut was attempting Exaflare, since it was ultimately a continent-wide attack (spanning all of Eorzea). The attack was prevented from finishing, but the fallout of the attack still quite literally poisoned the land for all time, causing growths of corrupted crystals which quite literally poison and burn you to touch them.