Quake Champions - A Message To The Community
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.ย. 2024
- History repeats, so I wanted to share my perspective on the transition between Quake games and how I'm approaching Quake Champions.
I know it's going to be different. I know it's not going to be the same. And I know that I won't understand why it's fun until I give it a proper chance. I also know if we don't help the community grow, Quake is doomed to remain a small game, and we may not see new Quake games in over 10 years again.
It's time for change... I'm going to embrace it and do my best to make Quake Champions the best it can be, and hopefully Quake becomes what it should be -- the top eSport and best game ever made. No matter what happens, the above will always be true for me, but I hope a lot more people can agree some day. That would be awesome.
Good luck in the beta, hope to see you all soon, old and new players!
Zy
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Never played quake but this video makes me interested in it!
Nice!
So which Quake should I get? 2 or 3? Didn't have a PC at the time they were released.
get quake live, it's basically quake 3 but with actual modern servers
the original quake 2 and 3 are mostly dead atm
Thanks dude!
quake 3 defrag mod to learn the physics in depth, which will help a shitton at champions, theres an active extremely experienced community at q3df.org with enough servers (high ping doesnt really matter in defrag as its all about speedrunning, unless you go for team speedruns), and people will be more than willing to teach you all the advanced tech and intricates of cpm/vq3 physics, and trust me noone knows more than defraggers bout the game's physics and how to abuse it, everyone there has practically done a thesis on the engine itself lol
"How about you become a good ambassador for the game?" Respect Sir, You deserve it. Good video.
XD
They will probably just add a mode that removes the specials.
they confiirmed you can play without it
Then why are people complaining?
idk about that, but my guess is that it could be poorly implemented, or the "fans" aren't really fans but are people that just hate something that deviates from the formula
Because people are butthurt. Same reason everyone got upset about the Xbox One release for various reasons, and before the release they fixed those issues, but the general public still hated the Xbox One because reasons.
you guys really need to understand that designing a game around such a pivotal mechanic and then simply adding a minigame where you can play a version of the game without the mechanic when the game was never designed to be played without it is a slap to the face of anyone who doesnt want a new direction; the people who have been playing it for two decades. those are the people I would call "true fans." That said, QC will not necessarily fail, but taking whatever decision the industry throws at your favorite games with no resistance at all is absurd.
I love how you are how chill you are in your videos.
scrolling down and tired. I thought you said he sounded like Hank Hill for a sec. lol.
I'm so ready for this game. Thanks for making this video. I never picked it up because my one experience was just maddening with the constant toxicity and being kicked out of servers left and right. I'm really hoping this turns out great with all the new comers.
Yeah should be a lot of new players from what I can see... now is definitely the time to be getting into Quake if you haven't already.
Xombie Yeah, I feel you. My first 200 hours of Quake Live CA was literally bouncing from server to server learning as fast as I could how to play and getting kicked all the time. it was awful and the community rejected me until I got better. Worst experience in gaming but the payoff of the skill you get is worth it all.
Marcus Munitions Aside from ffa servers and the House of OSO CA server, my experience has been very similar. Getting destroyed is just a part of the high skill cap and is in my opinion, one of the big appealing aspects of the game.
However, it is genuinely discouraging to be pushed to the side by players that don't think it is worth spending time on newcomers. They either quit after one round, kick me, or stop playing seriously and pull out the plasma from rail distance. It's one thing if the road to improvement is steep but it is 10x worse when people flat out refuse to help you get better.
yea not everyone is going to have that perseverance, fantastic video i hope we can all enjoy it new and old. it hink what may make or break this game is whether MM system and the elo ranks are good enough, along with warowl and luckySkillFaker quake equivalent channels coming up to break things down.
I still have a bunch of scoreboard screenshots saved from my Q3 days and there were plenty of people with 1 or 2 frags at the end of each game. I didn't really learn how to play online shooters until Q3 came out but being cannon fodder was part of the experience. If QLive had a community that was kicking people for not being 1337 that's pretty lame, every deathmatch bloodbath needs warm bodies.
That's why I don't get into Quake but I really want to...I don't wanna be banned from every server for being a noob.
From what I've seen and heard, there should be heaps of "noobs" in there... jump in when you can!
I plan on doing that.
If you play CPMA and join the discord server etc, etc, they're pretty friendly to new comers. They'll kick your ass, but they'll be friendly. There's even beginner's tags so you can play newbies. (In their discord server that is)
I plan on doing that too
I try to stick around ffa and instagib servers until I think I am ready to be a part of teammodes.
Love you for making this, everyone being negative about the champions but its got a great chance of making quake special like it once was, im only in my teens but have played and really enjoyed all the quake games. Hope this is the same way
Always good to hear the new gens are finding Quake... ok now it sounds like a religion. Quake be with you.
Rocket Jump Ninja "Always good to hear the new gens are finding Quake" my 3 year old cousin has played Quake a bit lol
Haha so good.
Rocket Jump Ninja dweeb
Rocket Jump Ninja I'm 16, I've played QuakeWorld, Action Quake 2, vanilla Quake 3 Arena, and now Live. I am obsessed with Quake and for a little while in 2016 I was playing anywhere from 6 to 8 hours a day with high school. No homework, little sleep, just Quake Live CA and Reflex. I stopped talking to my friends and almost to my family. Now I do my homework and plag for 3 hours because otherwise I would go back into my Quake addiction phase and it nearly killed me.
WAIT WHAT CHAMPIONS IS FREE?
Yeah free to play as Ranger (one champion).
If you want the rest, you buy the Champion Pack (will include all + future champions apparently).
Oh also apparently there will be an in game currency kind of thing, where you can rent champions... so even if you never pay for it, you can still use different champions as you gain XP or whatever.
Rocket Jump Ninja any idea how much the game will cost? Looking forward to buy the champions pack
There is also a currency you can earn to permanently unlock champions. I also believe you can buy it too, i'm not sure. Something like pay $2 to unlock 1 champion for example.
Also I've heard that you'll be able to test a champion and then, if you like it, you can buy it
I want to start playing because of you and your channel!
Highlight!
then play!
Daniel Schulz I started playing yesterday for the same reason :)
Great attitude dude.
Thanks!
Rocket Jump Ninja I like how how many youtubers failed to see that big fat NDA that isnplastered all over the game xD It clearly says do not stream, record or discuss the game outside of the official forums
Good video. I am also a ctf purist, but from the q1 days, and your experience eerily mirrors mine. Cheers for the openmindedness you're sharing here, it's much needed by this community sometimes.
I've been watching your videos since a long time already, and since that i wanted to give Quake live a try, sadly when i joined a server i got insta kicked for "being a noob" hopefully with Quake champions things will change!
Keep up the good work man, you're amazing!
Yeah I've seen that happen... definitely seems like a lot of new players will be in QC though, so I hope you can get into it. Good luck!
Maybe this would over take csgo!!!?
Garrett A Die hard fans? Oh, I thought those were called 'people with no life'
try Xonotic then xonotic.org/ it's a quick and twitch arena fps game in the lineage of quake 3 and unreal tournament, really give it a try…
The problem with quake in its state is that the meta has come to a point that even some of the high tier players got bored. Just adding one ability to each character can allow them to change the meta to keep the game fresh
Old Q3 Player here, spent hours and hours in that game, still play from time to time on steam, love it.
Quake 4 was a mistake.. tried couple hours and didn't like it.
Played the Beta of Quake Champions that ended yesterday, oh man.. the feeling, the strafe, the rocket jump, the Q3DM6 map re-created.. railgun, shotgun, machinegun, lightninggun.. its awesome, its like play Q3 on a new graphics engine.
I was able to notice some newbie players, but also some players with really good skillz, old players i will say.. you could notice them by the way the move, aim, switch weapons and attack.
I'm sold and i'm gonna be buying it to support the devs.
grg the first closed beta was from April 6th to April 9th, there will be a new one this upcoming thursday up to Sunday.
you can sign up in Bethesda page and cross your fingers to get a key, then you can play.
Defo mate, I was one of the noobs and some of the people I played with were racking up 7.0 K.Ds, took me a few hours to start being at the top in my games. As someone who hardly touched other quakes this one seems like the perfect start into the franchise.
no offense but as much as you are an older player, i'm going to guess you where either not that great at it or simply didn't play quite as much as the vets did, because the new one is horrible compared to the original it is trying to be, the strafe is pretty bad compared to what made quake the legend it was, which in turn makes the rocket jumping not as good as it was, the rest sounded like you liked it mostly based on nostalgia
cool however there are some things here..
1. is not a remake or a copy, so you can't expect everything to be exactly the way it was. For that matter you can just stick with the old one. there are changes yeah and i'm sure they ( the devs ) are trying to make the best of it, its not like they say "hey lets do it worst and see what happens"
2. There are no other's Quakes out there.. fast pased FPS ? rocket jump ? strafe jumping ? improved maps based on the old ones ? guns and characters from the old one ? there's no other single game out there than you can call a Quake successor.
3. And i'm sad to say this.. Quake 3 is dead, even on the steam version is hard to find 1vs1 players, all maps empty, fan base are just grown up guys ( like me ) who live from nostalgia days ( as you said ) so.. at the end of the line, whats better ? leave it like that and let it die and get forgotten or try to do a refresh and get some new fellas aboard ?
so as Rocket Jump Ninja said in the video, Quake Champions its not perfect and has changes, but at this point it's what we got and there's no other company doing something about it. So its up to you my friend, jump in the fun wagon or stay in the old Q3 waiting for someone to play with.
pura vida !
How long ago did you play Quake? Because QC doesn't feel good in strafing. The speedcaps are just obnoxious.
Despite of playing the game since Quake 2 MP and being able to strafe jump backwards, I get FLAMED on servers for not being 'good enough'. I don't play everyday and lose touch at times!
I'm GLAD you addressed this issue. Although the it's the best game out there, it just turns regular folks all egoistic once they get really good. You really have to give n00bs a chance.
never even knew what quake was until watching you but now I'm hyped for quake champions. Keep up the great content man
Thank you for this video. it's fantastic and serves to make a very good point. Love it.
Good to hear, thanks!
Very positive outlook ,you deserve all the props for this and you sold me on starting up Quake Champions for the first time. Thanks !
Oh yeah,"positive".
Threewave's "Classic CTF" for Quake 3 was actually very good. Mainly because it brought back the grapple. :D DeltaCTF for Quake 4 was shaping up very well too as I recall (although it was a decade ago!)
I'm really excited about Quake Champions - *but* I'm a CTF/objective player. I find deathmatch boring, and I'm not a great dueller so that's frustrating. For me, QC will stand or fall on whether it offers me what I want.
But I my God I want it to succeed!
tjdrico Im too new to the Quake games to have played CTF, but it looked great. Ive played CA, duel, instagib, and normal FFA exclusively and Ive had so much fun. Would love to see Clan Arena have competitive support, but it's a stretch.
Threewave had some of the best maps agreed! I was primarily a CTF player. It was like soccer in a way. Defenders, midfield, and attackers with positional rotations similar to rocket league (if people unfamiliar with quake need something to relate it to). I was too slow to be a flag runner but had accuracy as a midfielder. :) Quake 3 CTF was like chess and soccer with guns. Brilliant game!
Awesome. I actually got into Quake because of your vids (champions) amd I LOVE it
Hey! A shoutout from the UT community - we also deal with the same problems. Let's hope the AFPS genre has a renaissance!
Was never really into Quake but your channel has seriously inspired me to go download it.
Quote from video: "I'm going to buy the champion pack just to support quake and the dev team. They've given me my favorite games for the last 18 years"
Who is they? You mean John Carmack who was forced out and then sued? Or do you mean the parent company that legally assaulted Mojang over garbage issues? Perhaps romero, mcgee, jaqauys... hmm. Maybe it's not the same people who have brought you your favorite games after all.
id Software, and it's status for laying the groundwork for the FPS genre.
Caleb Abbruzzese salty
@@authenticNL2 Idc how old this comment was,but he's right tho.
I am new to quake bought quake live a couple months ago because of your reviews and it really brought my attention to the series and I'm really anticipating Champions. especially after playing about an hour of the beta
I am a simple man.
I see ARENAFPS, I click Like.
Hey nice video mate and yes this is exactly whats needed... I posted in the QC forums about this about 3 months ago saying the devs really need to get behind/communicate with the current q3a/live community for QC to work imo it will fail if they current community stays the same! Cheers for the time making the vid NeK
Well reasoned logical argument. Hopefully it turns out good.
+DarkStormErx thanks!
100% spot on... let's make quake Champions a place for everybody! I played RA2 more than CTF back in the day so I was into rocket jumping and Q3 felt right at home. If you remember q3test tons of people complained about the jump pads, the fog, the announcer... but before long they all got used to it and loved it... QC will hopefully be the same.
I'm new!! Thank you for saying this 😊 I love the game so far and am playing everyday❤
welcome to quake, hope u stay for a long time :D
What a beautiful beautiful message! Thank you!
q4max. it fixed q4 pretty damn good. 125fps, solid mouse input, better netcode than on launch etc.
Yeah it fixed heaps, I would've played it... but 125fps? Wasn't the engine locked or something? I swear I installed the latest and couldn't get it above 60. Everyone I researched seemed to say the same too... so what did I miss?
It's.. odd. You gotta make a new serverside game mode that is set on 125fps because by default it is indeed crappy 60fps but boy does it feel good and responsive with 125fps and 05ms server updaterate (default updaterate is 80ms).
Ah I see... I think I'll stick with the "Quake 4 sucked" thing, just so game designers know to never do that again.
Quake 4 was really great at the end. But, it was too late. Most players decided it sucked by the time we finally got 125fps.
Quake 4 seriously had zero redeeming features, it was just bad.
I've loved quake since '96 and I agree with you 100%
2:48 the best shot I've ever seen in my entire life.
Wow, you should play Quake, then. I've done way more amazing things, and I'm not super good.
That's shot is nothing for a pro.
@@eluddite889 I do play Quake indeed :)
@@giulio7288 0.2 secs is the reflex response time of an average human. That shot is still godlike.
@@MustafaBerkeGureltol nah
Quake is the game that both made me good at video games and also the desire to get better at them. I remember the days of going 0-40 on a regular basis back when I found this franchise back in the height of Quake Live's run. It took me forever, but I learned to appreciate both the esport side of the game and the fun you could have with insta-ctf.
Now that I'm close to Masters in Overwatch, I appreciate the lessons I learned in Quake. I hope that Quake always is the place to learn those mechanics. That it remains as pure as possible. I believe that Quake's new champions mechanics raising the bar is what quake needs to appeal to people like me, while being accessible to new players and new players of the genre.
I played my first game of Quake Champions just today. I got my ass handed to me, (but I did manage to stay alive for more than 20 seconds at a time) but those 5 kills I managed were awesome.
Nice!
Best video you've made, thanks for making it. I couldn't agree more with what you said.
Honestly, after watching a lot of your videos I kind of want to get into quake.
Nice!
Jizzwardo You won't regret. Quake is bae m8
How are you holding up on Quake?
as usual great comments, and criticism, haven't received the Beta test key :(
Hopefully I found you on a quake live, getting better each day..
some of my worries have been quite diminished, and im actually quite pleased they gave a character crouch sliding. however, the one thing that I really cant stop wondering about is the effect that spawning with armor and armor pickups giving different armor values will have on the gameplay. it seems as though it would be rather easy for certain characters to become dominant simply because they are rewarded more for map control. the abilities dont worry me so much, but doesnt different health values and armor pickups / spawning with armor completely circumvent map control in the first place? also, i saw an image of character stats that implied characters would be given movement speed caps, with the highest being at 800ups. Why? i hope the extra mobility of the squishier characters gives them an edge that proves me wrong about map control, and that rocket jumping and speed in general end up being fine. regardless, im excited to play the game asap :)
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That's my current problem with gaming community in general is the toxicity. With it's rise and increase in player base gaming for me at least online gaming has become almost unbearable. If it isn't a toxic community then it's the cheats and hackers that quickly flood any popular game. With Quake Champions going F2P and in-game currency means hackers will be in there masses to try rank accounts and sell them on. Let alone players that just want to have great stats and claim to be awesome with their aim-bots set to max which then causes the community to become toxic because it's so hard to tell who's actually a skilled player and who's a aim-bot cheater.
If only LAN's were still a thing...
Thanks for sharing your passion with others. Subscribed. Quake lives!
You sir, are a very mature and insightful person. More people need to be like you.
I agree, Quake II was the best online game I ever played. It's hard to believe this year is it's 20th anniversary. It had an awesome community and incredibly fun game play. Rocket Arena on Q2 has so much nostalgia for me...I wish it were still alive somehow so it could be played again. But I'm excited for Quake Champions. I don't like the idea of asymmetrical abilities, but I'm willing to give it a chance for even the slightest glimmer of hope of having as much fun as I had with the earlier Quake games.
I hate it when people bashing on Quake 4.
Picked up Quake 3-4 weeks ago. One of the best FPS games I've ever played. It's hard out there for a noob, but when I get a good match, man, it's unlike anything else out there. I think it has a place in 2018, and I hope it takes off, at least to the point where you're not stuck with 90% Quake veterans playing only.
Terrific message.
Glad so many people think so... giving me hope for the community. Yay Quake!
"Terrific" is actually supposed to be a different word for "terrible", instead it became something else.
Never played Quake before, but definitely interested from watching your channel! You're always so positive! Keep it up!
Finally someone gets it. This backlash against quake champions from people who never played it and only want a quake 3 remake is getting on my nerves. This is probably because I've never been into quake and probably renders my opinion invalid to quake players.
Great video, I stuck around on your channel for your amazing mouse reviews and loved the gameplay you use to test the mouses. Bought Quake Live myself and i'm enjoying it to the fullest!
U are the best.
You have a superb outlook on things. This was a great video :)
I totaly agree with you, we have to give it a chance and I was actualy surprised by the beta, there still need to be some abilities to be balanced but for a beta it was better than expected. It will prolly be good to attract new players and shouldn't disturb too much older players as the core is still the same. We'll have our own "pure" mode anyway without abitilies, at least for 1vs1 I'd hope. You're right that if we don't welcome and help new players, we'll shoot ourselves in the foot and I can see why no one other than 25-35 years old guys liked Quake Live as if they haven't played Q3 before, they'd get completely raped big time by all the veterans and then simply ragequit and uninstall the game.
I was surprise to see a classic weapon such as the Plasma not be part of the game, and I guess the Nailgun has replaced it perhaps because they both behave the same but the plasma makes it too "messy" visualy? I played the beta, at least the last 2 days out of 4 cause no one could connect to the servers. They better not force the FFA to 10 players because it's WAY too much crowded and spammy. Should be 6 players idealy, 8 at the very most, and 8 for TDM but I could still manage to deal with 10 but definitely not more!
The quad is abusive in it's current state and rail shouldn't deal 100 dmg instead of 80 when zoomed-in. Surprisingly abilities are fun and better that I've thought, it's no Overwatch BS trust me. I haven't bought a game day 1 since UT3 in 2007 which I shouldn't have but this Quake is a a super safe bet. Now my only hope is that this time they won't abandon the community like they did with Q3 and Quake Live, and that they'll listen to Pros, Veterenans and people on their forum or else we're all doomed until the next Quake in 15 years (-_-)
you Ser are very vise and well spoken. kudos, and respect!
ZY IS A FUCKING GOD
Very well said Zy! I play Insurgency which also has a small but passionate community and all these things are applicable there as well.
As a side note - the UI of Quake Champions looks awfully similar to UT.
Did you break NDA by showing that footage? Or was that released by bethesda
All from Bethesda's TH-cam channel.
has beta even started yet?
fireball Beta started earlier today. People are reporting server issues but that's probably because everyone is trying to log in. This feels a lot more like a tech beta rather than a gameplay one since the focus seems to be server and client stability.
Brain Nim it's good they they're prioritizing making netplay work.
its improved over the life of the beta, they had one server update in the middle of it that fixed a lot of the issues
QC is very fast paced, and very fun, but there definitely has to be changes for high level players to be able to have a fair playing environment. What I'm talking about is being able to select your region, and being able to choose whether or not you want to join matches that have already began. The first day I played, I had a great time without being on 255 ping, the next day I lost every game because of the region and joining games late. However, aside from that, I think that the game is very fun. What I like the most about the game so far IS the champions and what each champion's features are. As I anticipated, the champions were mainly created to give you different past Quake movement physics styles and not so much 'counter abilities'. It allows you to pick Quake 4, Quake 3, Quake 3 CPMA\QW playstyle, and it even adds even newer ideas. The champion abilities adds more depth to the combat, it is so much faster paced now that I am probably going to leave behind Quake Live because of how fun QC actually is. The only thing I am really concerned about is Duel, the champions idea might work with Duel, but Duel will either be played with the current armor\hp system in QC or it might have a classic armor\hp system. If they don't add RA, Mega, YA, GA back into the game (WITH duel appropriate map designs), then I doubt we'll be seeing this gamemode anymore. It is so hard to let go of my fascination and dedication to learning this game, but I guess it has got to end eventually. Please iD Software, bring back classic duel in Quake Champions!
And the things you mentioned about previous quakes, those are differences in gameplay. They didn't really dumb anything down like they're doing wit QC. For a quake "veteran", it's a bit troubling that you don't realize that the heroes, sorry, champions have different speed caps. Even with the fastest champion, going at the max speed, you'll never reach speeds attainable in previous quakes right? So here's how they dumbed it down.
Speed cap: A huge part of quake has always been about the movement and speed. Going as fast as you possibly can in situations based on how good your technique is and area you're in has just gone out the window. I think the fastest champion revealed so far is around 800 ups at the most. In q3, that can be achieved by a good circle jump and 2-3 strafe jumps. If quake was an animal, you just neutered it with speed caps. And for anyone that doubts, check interviews, check quake.com, they show rough attributes (including top speed) for each champion.
Item timers: Another big part of gameplay in quake has been about controlling different weapons, armors, power ups so you have as much resources as possible while your enemy has as little as possible. With item timers, there's another aspect of the game right out the window. No longer will we see guys like rapha exploit an opponent's mistake of not remembering when an item spawns. Watching how a player goes from no info at all to little by little collecting what he needs to regain control and turn the tables on an opponent.
Abilities:
Teleport/blink: I don't know how many times people have won or lost a fight, position, item, or even match because they either messed up a maneuver or successfully executed one. Now with ranger, there's no need to have to rely on your movement skill at critical moments in order to get an advantage over your opponent. Now, you just mash that button down and away you go, literally. I doubt these maps will be in QC, but as an example, imagine how boring maps like Hektik or Toxicity would be if people could just teleport away after picking up MH or RA. There would be no risk involved, because you wouldn't have to worry about messing up a jump to get out of there, you just blink away to safety. Yes, q3/ql did have a personal teleport that could be picked up. However, there are a couple key differences. One, the teleporter in q3/ql sent you to a "random" location on the map, you didn't have any control over where you went exactly. And two, it was never an item available in any competitive mode.
Wallhack: Seriously? It's an insanely cheap game mechanic, whether it's part of a program a cheater is using, or it's a feature in a n00bified single player game, it's awful. You have done literally nothing to earn the information you gained by using it. Currently in quake, you can be fairly sure where your opponent is based on his stack, what weapons he has or doesn't, and which items are up. It requires some brainpower to keep track of those things. In QC, there's no need for that. Not sure where the enemy is when you're about to make that jump to grab that weapon or armor? No problem, just activate your trusty wallhack and see if he's in the area. Ah, taking more risk out of the game, so exciting.
For a "skill based fps", they sure have introduced many things that either take away the need for a particular skill completely, or at least severely diminished its usefulness.
And LMAO @ the latest interview with Willits. Power ups like quad won't be an item picked up by one player on a team. No. Now the whole team will get a boost in damage for the duration of the quad. Ah, it's shaping up more and more to be Quake for snowflakes.
You, as most Quake players, are thinking with duel mentality and Quake is perfect in that mode. I would dare to say that there's no better FPS for 1v1 than Quake and in fact all the more popular FPS (CS, OW, CoD, etc) are team-based and their 1v1 modes are plainly boring.
Quake falls behind in team-based category though exactly because there's no difference between two given players and therefore there's less need for cooperation (that is what you want in team-based games). There's no semi-forced especialization and a skilled-enough player can do all needed roles. In Quake usually it's not the players that make the better team that win, but the team with the better players.
Enters the ability and asimmetry in stats. Every player in a team has advantages and disadvantages so one of them can't do everything. Now a enough skilled player can't just yolo trusting their aiming and skill but has to rely more in teammates for certain tasks. Now there's also the extra decision of picking the right character for the right situation and well-adjusted to your own playstyle (however this last good thing can be killed because of meta mentality due to imbalance).
Finally you can argue that skills give extra tools for players to play with (and extra risks if you're the enemy). I would be tempted to believe that Scalebearer players will rocket jump off the ceilling to crush more effectively enemies and Nyx player will use items to trick and telefrag players for example.
Also, as far as I know, there's no visual timer for enemy cooldown, and if champion-skills are that important, predict correctly this cooldown will be quite important as well.
In conclusion, I think that QC will suck in Duel but I think it will be good in TDM and CTF (not sure about CA and FFA)
About Quad: that's a real shame and it's a weird choice. It would have an extra layer of complexity because certain champions would benefit more of it than others (and there's a risk involved to wait for that champion to grab it)
I just can't wait for the game to come out and all these people can quit and stop talking about it.
speed cap? really? the most fun thing i loved in quake is tuned down? ..........i respect new players and help then, but i can't like this change no matter what :/
I fully agree with you on everything. I'm also optimistic for quake champions. I recently picked it up this past weekend as I felt the need for a quake title. The last one being quake 3 back in 2007 or so. In any case. I loved every moment of quake champions. Felt like the old recipe with a few new twists which made it exciting. Hopefully more people join in on the fun
you dont make games fun, and neither does the community, games are either fun or they are not and thats ENTIRELY SUBJECTIVE, you could be the best ambassador to the game you can but i still wont care about quake champions or overwatch, because i simply dont like arena games with a trillion different characters and then a bunch of developers changing how they play every patch to "to make it more interesting" by nerfing/overpowering stuff.
For example, if i play an old school duel and the other guy destroys me, im still having fun as long as i understand wtf is going on, because im actually learning to play better, but if i boot up this crap i dont even know wtf is going on because theres a trillion different toons that do different stuff on modified ugly versions of my beloved maps to boot, and my mind automatically gets transported into that big bang theory scene: the 3 dimensional chess scene, just because you add 2 other boards doesnt make chess better
you guys have been trying to get "new players" for ages and its not happening, whatever you get it will be gone in the first 9 months, overwatch plays better than this, and overwatch is pretty lame (have it installed, last game was 2 months ago)
Step one has to be making a good game, not throwing shit up and see if it works or just going "well, lets hope the community can make it work"
lets face it, this game is worse than its predecessors, and i get that theres people that can vote to the same terrible candidate every election, but Vaas is right, doing the same thing, over and over and over again, expecting shit to change, is CRAZY
i also dont get why some people are fine with someone trying to sell you something you dont really like much just because they made something in the past that you loved, specially considering these guys probably have nothing to do with whoever made the previous games, so this isnt even loyalty to something you are not sure about, its loyalty to a... to an intellectual property, a brand
Thanks ... I'm tired of this "gentlemen's agreement" to not point out what you don't like about the game. Since when is it a virtue to sugar coat flaws and silence criticism with some "you are hurting the game, we have to like and support it no matter what" bullshit ..
I mean RocketJumpNinja literally says that he refrains from advertising the game because he knows that people that aren't "loyal" to the game will probably see the obvious flaws in concept and execution of the game for what they are ... flaws ... It's basically a play of "emperor's new clothes" ...
I really tried to like it, played it in beta and i bought it as soon as it went early access ... but every time im in that game i get so tired of netcode iissues, the clunky game und non-responsive play style and the bad champ balancing ... that ill quite after only 1-2 matches ... going back to Dirty Bomb which is faster, more fluent and a lot more balanced (though it has annyoing issues as well but nothing even close to those of quake champions)
No, I won't sugar coat this ... it's just a bad game and as long as there aren't fundamental changes it will continue to be bad - especially with that "hush, dont be critrical" attitute ....
Yes, you can get used to it ... but obviously the game lacks the direct, raw and fair feel of Q3/QL ...
Just one example: In one of my first matches after buying the game I came on a server with Toxjq playing there ... I turned out that even his play seems boring and random in QC ...
while he was dominating as he should it never felt like the rape you'd expect when you would meet him in QL ... the game just never feels direct and transparent ...
"you dont make games fun, and neither does the community"
If the game is well developed, you yourself make it fun.
"games are either fun or they are not and thats ENTIRELY SUBJECTIVE"
I believe you, but it does slightly depend on your actions, like if you actually bother to learn the game.
"you could be the best ambassador to the game you can but i still wont care about quake champions or overwatch, because i simply dont like arena games with a trillion different characters"
There are 12 characters, each of them with different abilities and stats. You learn how to use and fight each of the
characters and choose whatever character you like playing with the most.
"a bunch of developers changing how they play every patch to "to make it more interesting" by nerfing/overpowering stuff."
Perhaps they do try to make it interesting so it doesn't get stale, but they also try to balance the game.
"*the whole 2nd paragraph*"
Whether you understand what is happening depends on if you have learned the game. Modified ugly versions of
your beloved maps? Did you even try to learn them? Perhaps they were confusing compared to the original
versions, but don't be lazy and make excuses.
"you guys have been trying to get "new players" for ages and its not happening, whatever you get it will be gone in
the first 9 months, overwatch plays better than this, and overwatch is pretty lame"
New players haven't gotten into Quake because of the toxic nature of the community, the difficulty of the game is
up to the player to get over. Overwatch has completely different movement and shooting mechanics.
"Step one has to be making a good game, not throwing shit up and see if it works or just going "well, lets hope the community can make it work""
Whether a game is good or bad, that is a bit of a subjective question. I guess they are trying to bring in abilities
and trying to make it work, but are they throwing shit up?
"lets face it, this game is worse than its predecessors"
Just because of the abilities and multiple characters to choose from? Perhaps you're saying that it's "not Quake
anymore".
"i get that theres people that can vote to the same terrible candidate every election, but Vaas is right, doing the same thing, over and over and over again, expecting shit to change, is CRAZY"
They vote for the same candidate, hoping they'll change. Doing the same thing again and again, hoping for
change, what do you "get" about that? What do you want from Quake? Maybe, just better graphics, better
optimisation, but the same game.
"*last paragraph*"
Maybe you're right, but Zy (Rocket Jump Ninja) does seems to like the new game.
Besides, it's still Quake, but with multiple different characters, each of them with a different ability.
Tried to make it readable, now don't be lazy and make excuses.
Hi, December 16th, 2018. Quake Champions has around 2000 daily players thank you very much.
I'm just a teen but I've been playing Quake basically from the moment I first sat on a PC, started with Q3 Arena, then to Quake Live (stopped playing when it became a pay-to-play game) and now came back to Quake Champions, I gotta say, they nailed everything, from the rocket jumping, to movement. They really have something to satisfy new and die-hard Quake players. Pleased!
The video maker is a poser. Nobody played Q2CTF.
I did, dunno what you're on about, best mod of all time
Best point made about this topic so far anywhere
I thought Overwatch community is the most Toxic, didn't know quake also have toxic community
Most people in this world are nothing but shit. So it's to be expected sadly.
most competitive games can get that way like csgo can be.
yeah csgo is by far the worst
JiJi Quake has a lot of great, kind people, and also a lot of elitist toxic dudes who think theyre better than everyone. Its about 70/30, with nice people being the 70.
It doesn't matter what it is, you put people in a box with nothing but their opinions, if you open that shit up a few years later there will be enough history, victim complexes, and hate that you can analyze it in the same way one would analyze things like SJWvsAlt-RIght, AllvsBlacklivesmatter, MRA'svsFeminists. Its like growing cancer in a petri dish.
Thx for such a great video, im new to play Quake, but I grew up with the game and i LOOOOVE IT!!!!! I will support all new players and what to help to get a GREAT Community for such a GREAT Game!!
I'm in the beta, this is my first quake game and it's so God damn fun
Great to hear!
I was lucky enough to get a beta key on day 1. So far I am loving it. More fun than Quake live for a lot of the reasons that were touched on in the vid. New game, New community, New fun. Can't wait for the actual game to be released.
one of the best videos lately... agree totally!
Thanks To You, I Bought Quake Live, and in fact i fell in love with it after 2 days already. It's really fun to play but hard at first because your new and Don't know the REAL basics. This had recently became my main since it's what my Dad likes, Now I'm recently about to stream Quake live either each day or each week
Kudos for the brutal honesty on display here.
Well said, good valid points, agree entirely. Good job dude.
I like your mindset.
I'm only 20 and quake was before my era but it has been on my radar for like 6 years now.
In the past I put q3a on school computers and had fun play with my friends but never managed to get into quakelive because as you mentioned lots of long time and very good players destroyed me and it just set me off the whole thing.
Quake Champions will finally give me a chance to play quake without getting destroyed, hopefully it turns out well.
When I was a student I played a lot Q3 without ever purchasing a license. 10 years later I play much less often but I recently bought a license just for the sake of respecting the fun it gave me.
When I was 20 I could not get it, but today I do and I'm quite happy of that because I know it's called becoming more mature and respectful.
Kudos man, great video. The future is bright.
You're awesome man! Keep up the positivity and sharing the good vibes my man!
Cheers for making this vid and giving some voice to the people like myself who are keen to learn but a little weary of the learning curve/community.
I haven't played quake in years and never outside of closed LAN scenarios but this game has a special place in my heart with 100's of hours of fun had. Since them good old days ive played nothing but shooters (CSGO, TF2, OW and my favourite R6:Siege) but I gotta say I'm super excited for quake champions. I'm honestly really intimidated by everyone's rail and rocket jumping skills but I think i'll get there with some practise. Fingers crossed I get into the beta too! (aussie also)
great video, well communicated. most gaming communities need cooler heads when discussing new sequels or features. I can't wait to play this and relive my Q3 days!
Like the ambassador idea. Hope this game will be very popular although sometimes im afraid it will not be adapted by a lot of people. It is easy to learn but takes a lifetime to master and ppl want instant rewards, if you are a newbie it can be really tough i imagine.
You are one of the most reasonable and grown up people i ever heard.
Great Video RJN! Thank you....
Well said. Keep up the great videos man.
I never got into Quake but I knew it existed, and even if I never played any of them I was still exited when I saw the TH-cam ad for Quake Champions.
spread this like wild fire. this video is what we need.
I just started playing quake Champions this year and while I am far from being good at the game I do find myself enjoying it a lot more than any other fps out now. The game has a lot of room to grow but its fun
Subscribed after this video. I have not played any Quake multiplayer since Q3A, which I played from 1999 to maybe 2001 or 02. Really looking forward to Quake Champions.
About time someone speaks on how I feel about quakelive and it's community of players! Great Job Zy.
Quake Champions is the first Quake I have ever played in my life mainly, because I was too young for the first ones. Seeing this video just made me want to play the game even more when it finally releases. Thank you for that. :)
Why the hell do you only have 185k subscribers you are one of the best channels on youtube you don’t care about money or anything like that and don’t fill your videos full of ads you just make videos to help people holy crap that’s crazy man you should be on 1 million subs at least my bro you are 100% my favourite youtuber
Thank you. Thank you so much for this.
I've played for 20 years now and still never got to the point of being particularly good, but I still enjoy the heck out of Q1/QW/Q3A (sorry, never had a feeling for Q2). It's hard to stay interested when you run into these abusive, toxic jerks that are unwelcoming to either the new or "bad" players. It makes me sad because it's my first gaming love and I feel unwelcome in my own community.
Great video man as always!
Damn, it's been years since I've played Quake! I think that I'm going to dig out my old Kingston trackball and joystick for this one! Subbed btw :)
you sir are prime example of what a great player should be, thank you for being very positive
Really liking your videos man, great commentary, nice to listen.
Very, very well presented. I have no dog in this hunt, but man, you are a well spoken young man.
Keep it up!!
+1 to everything you said.Thank you for making this video.
you really make some top quality videos that aren't even about mice. very nicely said... a bit late to quake but i love these games
I tried getting into Quake live, but I feel like people try everything to get you kicked if you are not good enough. One match me and my friend got laughed at because of our elo. I really hope I get a new chance with Quake Champion. Great video and really mature opinions, thank you so much.
Well said! I wish everyone had your attitude!
This was a great video. I completely agree with you. It's been a long time since we've had a new Quake game. I'm definitely buying this game just to support the work that's being put into it.