Good data. Thanks for putting this together. Would help to order the graphics and visuals from highest "scoring" or values to indicate to viewers what are the best fans in that specific data visual. The bar charts and table visuals is where im thinking this could help. Cheers!
12:45 Dunno if you are already doing this in the newer videos, but if you also show the actual performance as a separate bar for each fan in a colour that does not stand out as much as the value bars, that should help viewers get a feel for whether the fan is high-value with bad performance, or high value AND has good performance! Thanks for the videos!
In newer videos for the value I have it high value to low, but all one color other than the fan of interest in the video. having each bar a new color is a lot of extra effort for just me. since this channel is just me. 1 person
@@computer-tech-more Sorry, I didn't phrase that well. I meant "For the noise-normalized graphs, show the actual performance (or dollar figure) as a separate bar (or just text) for each of the fans, in another colour", not do some rainbow shebang. That should a one-time setup with selecting a new range and styling it appropriately. Without directly having either the dollar or the performance figure, it's hard to tell whether the value is good because it's cheap but with crap performance (as you say in the video) or if the value is good because it's a reasonably priced fan that excels in performance.
@@SandyWhitmore I guess the way I had expected people to understand. is watch the video and see ok here is the actual performance. Now is it good value for what your buying. In the section i usually even say "even if a fan is good value doesn't mean its a good fan" and something similar about its not actual performance. I can figure out how to add something to the graphs to indicate actual performance. it might just be test afte rthe fan name though.
A tip, When you put a screen worth of info up like this, you should at least list them in order, top to bottom, Best to worst in the category ect.. You show the Noctua A12 at the top of all, when it shows the rank at various levels, and just random others along the way. No real rhyme or reason can be ascertained. 13 50 65 4 43???
hmm ok. I try to pic other fans to show a broad spectrum of performance from top to bottom so a viewer can see where it would sit. I only try to make sure I have some key fans listed on the graphs and fill in the rest with other random ones to fill it out. The top to bottom part were you talking about the Value chart. that actually an update in new new videos but wont be in the backlog. If I'm missing what your getting at please let me know. I have tested like 125+ fans at this point.
@@computer-tech-more Oh ok thanks. I am building a new PC based on the new Be quiet Light base 600 - will have 6 intake (3 left/3 bottom) and 4 exhaust (3 side + 1 rear) - the exhaust will be 2150rpm (the newer TL-H12-X28) that's why I am not sure if I should just save some money to get the S12 or get these to at least match the H12
Great review! Ive bought 3 of those for 15$ (all 3!). Brand new, some guy take them from aio to swap them for white Arctic argb fans :) So i was curious how they perform and not bad at all. Happy to have them ;) also for people looking for advice if you buy them (or have them laying around) and those were also from aio, have in mind this version has different cable not just standard 4-pin pwm but 7-pin (pwm signal and led) to connect with splitter. If you can and know how making new cable is easy but if its to hard just cut some plastic and connect to standard 4-pwm with that method the led dosent work. But as was said in review it depends if the price was good :p
in the raw data: that is a calculated value using linear interpolation as an estimate for the RPM, air speed in each test using the noise normalized pre determined dB value. In most fans the defined 10 increment PWM signal does not match the exact noise value I want so I use math to estimate it. based on the values immediately above the value I want and below.
i have it set to an 11dB rating. I subtract out ambient noise to normalize it. so its not "11dB true sound". i choose the value because when I had an AIO on my last build I had 2 A12x25 running at about 1200RPM and found it to be near silent. And that RPM produces about the dB rating, so I chose that value as my noise normalized.
haha ya. I have no idea how to do that though. I'm also slowly dialing in the distance to have the Mic away from me to get clearest audio without hearing me breath or like breath outburst.
Amazing video!! I have 6 of those fans in my PC. (3 case intake, 1 case exhaust, 2 radiator exhaust) Do you have a recommendation of fan curve for this? (Will be using 100% @ 80C) But other than that I’m unsure what to use. I want them to be quiet but still to cool my system, any recommendation? Thanks.
hmm my general recommendation for fan curves are first Set your CPU cooler fan to near max you find ok or silent, case fans set to like 20 or 30%. Then adjust your case fans to the same thing. As far as fine tuning a curve I go for a Log type curve so its a slower increase till temps get really high then the fans ramp. If you happy with the fans cooling and noise capability no reason to change them. Your fan in vs fan out is good. The back fan (exhaust) doesnt need to go that fast the cooler exhaust will do the heavy lifting there. I would keep that at like 20%. sorry side though while typing: you could "match the intake front to top exhaust. set it to the max you find ok noise wise. when in light or gaming use. Let the fans ramp under heavy loads to another level find acceptable.
750rpm already at 20%? And mediocre noise to performance ratio? Thanks for letting me know I can give this fan (and the Thermalright Phantom Spirit EVO) a skip. For criticism: I'd love to get the minimum rpm that the fan will start at and any fan bearing or other noise that may be audible at that fan speed. As someone who loves silent operation, that's very important information for me.
I cant remember off hand but at the end of all my videos I have the raw data. So that will have all pwm and associated RPM and noise levels as well as air speeds listed.
@@computer-tech-more Yep - and for some fans the speed at 20% PWM or even higher is as low as they'll go. But I specifically looked into your A12x25 review and in your data it does near 500rpm at 20% PWM. Cross-referencing with other reviews (Igor in particular, the man is meticular) it'll turn on at around 300rpm and turn off at 230rpm. I think this is worthwhile information for fans that have a truly broad RPM range and can actually utilize the 10-20% PWM spectrum.
@@Steamrick most fans turn off below 20% pwm, I could be wrong but I think igor does voltage control and that does allow this or use a power supply to do voltage control. I try to test as someone would use it. But i doe see your point.
@@computer-tech-more Igor tests both voltage and PWM. I was referring to his PWM numbers. I don't know what signal range the average mainboard allows people to use - I use an aqua computer Quadro and an Aqauero fan controller in my PC, which allow for extremely precise control.
@@computer-tech-more You'll get there eventually. But for now you've got to pay your dues, just like all other YT'ers .. You asked for help improving your videos. Mocking other reviewers just because you have a formal degree is not a good look. But your knowledge is obvious, almost to a fault.... Meaning you are kind of all over the place with your reviews and your charts are crazy hard to understand, mostly because the order and the abbreviated fan names you use. I found myself pausing just to look up a fan, or what order they are stacked in, if any. You have to figure out the common denominator or demographics of your viewers in your analytics, and cater to them. I would highly recommend a format like Gamers Nexus. Steve dumbs it down enough for an average pc builder to understand. I promise few if any of your viewers are engineers. Also show your face. Nobody cares if your beautiful or not, it will just make you more relatable. Don't beg for money or donations and limit the amount of times you tell people to sub or join Patreon. Most importantly.... delete that comment above. It is a very bad look and not going to sit well with most normal people.... bragging about achievements and degrees screams elite asshole. I wish you luck and I subbed. One more thing ....don't take comments personally.
Just what I was expecting!!
thank you for watching.
Good data. Thanks for putting this together. Would help to order the graphics and visuals from highest "scoring" or values to indicate to viewers what are the best fans in that specific data visual. The bar charts and table visuals is where im thinking this could help. Cheers!
I have some newer videos like the P14 A-RGB or Noctua A14x25 Ive updated the graphs quiet a bit. haha
12:45 Dunno if you are already doing this in the newer videos, but if you also show the actual performance as a separate bar for each fan in a colour that does not stand out as much as the value bars, that should help viewers get a feel for whether the fan is high-value with bad performance, or high value AND has good performance! Thanks for the videos!
In newer videos for the value I have it high value to low, but all one color other than the fan of interest in the video.
having each bar a new color is a lot of extra effort for just me. since this channel is just me. 1 person
@@computer-tech-more Sorry, I didn't phrase that well. I meant "For the noise-normalized graphs, show the actual performance (or dollar figure) as a separate bar (or just text) for each of the fans, in another colour", not do some rainbow shebang. That should a one-time setup with selecting a new range and styling it appropriately.
Without directly having either the dollar or the performance figure, it's hard to tell whether the value is good because it's cheap but with crap performance (as you say in the video) or if the value is good because it's a reasonably priced fan that excels in performance.
@@SandyWhitmore I guess the way I had expected people to understand. is watch the video and see ok here is the actual performance. Now is it good value for what your buying. In the section i usually even say "even if a fan is good value doesn't mean its a good fan" and something similar about its not actual performance.
I can figure out how to add something to the graphs to indicate actual performance. it might just be test afte rthe fan name though.
A tip, When you put a screen worth of info up like this, you should at least list them in order, top to bottom, Best to worst in the category ect.. You show the Noctua A12 at the top of all, when it shows the rank at various levels, and just random others along the way. No real rhyme or reason can be ascertained. 13 50 65 4 43???
hmm ok. I try to pic other fans to show a broad spectrum of performance from top to bottom so a viewer can see where it would sit. I only try to make sure I have some key fans listed on the graphs and fill in the rest with other random ones to fill it out.
The top to bottom part were you talking about the Value chart. that actually an update in new new videos but wont be in the backlog.
If I'm missing what your getting at please let me know. I have tested like 125+ fans at this point.
Putting aside price, do you think this is a better fan compared to the TL-S12W for case fan?
90% no. The K12 has 1 advantage a higher max RPM so it has higher potential there, but anything under 1500 RPM the S12 is better in my testing
@@computer-tech-more Oh ok thanks. I am building a new PC based on the new Be quiet Light base 600 - will have 6 intake (3 left/3 bottom) and 4 exhaust (3 side + 1 rear) - the exhaust will be 2150rpm (the newer TL-H12-X28) that's why I am not sure if I should just save some money to get the S12 or get these to at least match the H12
Great review! Ive bought 3 of those for 15$ (all 3!). Brand new, some guy take them from aio to swap them for white Arctic argb fans :) So i was curious how they perform and not bad at all. Happy to have them ;) also for people looking for advice if you buy them (or have them laying around) and those were also from aio, have in mind this version has different cable not just standard 4-pin pwm but 7-pin (pwm signal and led) to connect with splitter. If you can and know how making new cable is easy but if its to hard just cut some plastic and connect to standard 4-pwm with that method the led dosent work. But as was said in review it depends if the price was good :p
thank you for sharing your experience with these fans. Glad it sounds like your happy with them.
Thanks for review
Thank you for watching. the TL-S12 is is set for release tomorrow. :)
hi , about the noise row at the bottom.. 1198. does it mean the k12 fan becomes noisy from that figure and beyond
in the raw data: that is a calculated value using linear interpolation as an estimate for the RPM, air speed in each test using the noise normalized pre determined dB value. In most fans the defined 10 increment PWM signal does not match the exact noise value I want so I use math to estimate it. based on the values immediately above the value I want and below.
@@computer-tech-more lost but thanks
@@justeddm en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_interpolation
haha sorry. I am an engineer. Sometimes i can get to descriptive.
@@computer-tech-more I will just go with the TL S12 (for exhaust) .. since my case is spacious enough
Best fan comparison site 👍. When you say "noise normalized", how many decibels does that mean?
i have it set to an 11dB rating. I subtract out ambient noise to normalize it. so its not "11dB true sound". i choose the value because when I had an AIO on my last build I had 2 A12x25 running at about 1200RPM and found it to be near silent. And that RPM produces about the dB rating, so I chose that value as my noise normalized.
¿Can the rgb on this fan be set to a single color and use lighting effects?
sorry for my english use google :)
I know it can be set to a single color. I assume it can use whatever lighting effects are in the Motherboard control software.
picked up 3 of these for my psu shroud couldn't say no for 8.50 each on amazon uk
thats a good price. the multi packs are the way to go for a good deal.
This fan looks like the one used on the phantom spirit 120 evo cpu cooler, I have one....
It is on evo. This fact is in description of 120 evo
Bc it is
Yes finally!!
:) thank you for watching. I have the TL-S12 coming out tomorrow as well.
Really like your videos, but you prolly already know, more improvements are possible.
Noise reduction on your videos would be really nice!
haha ya. I have no idea how to do that though.
I'm also slowly dialing in the distance to have the Mic away from me to get clearest audio without hearing me breath or like breath outburst.
Amazing video!!
I have 6 of those fans in my PC.
(3 case intake, 1 case exhaust, 2 radiator exhaust)
Do you have a recommendation of fan curve for this?
(Will be using 100% @ 80C)
But other than that I’m unsure what to use. I want them to be quiet but still to cool my system, any recommendation?
Thanks.
hmm my general recommendation for fan curves are first Set your CPU cooler fan to near max you find ok or silent, case fans set to like 20 or 30%. Then adjust your case fans to the same thing.
As far as fine tuning a curve I go for a Log type curve so its a slower increase till temps get really high then the fans ramp.
If you happy with the fans cooling and noise capability no reason to change them.
Your fan in vs fan out is good. The back fan (exhaust) doesnt need to go that fast the cooler exhaust will do the heavy lifting there. I would keep that at like 20%.
sorry side though while typing: you could "match the intake front to top exhaust. set it to the max you find ok noise wise. when in light or gaming use. Let the fans ramp under heavy loads to another level find acceptable.
Nice.
thank you for watching
Test ICOLER Jungle Leopard XH 120
ill look into testing it in my next few rounds.
750rpm already at 20%? And mediocre noise to performance ratio? Thanks for letting me know I can give this fan (and the Thermalright Phantom Spirit EVO) a skip.
For criticism: I'd love to get the minimum rpm that the fan will start at and any fan bearing or other noise that may be audible at that fan speed. As someone who loves silent operation, that's very important information for me.
I cant remember off hand but at the end of all my videos I have the raw data. So that will have all pwm and associated RPM and noise levels as well as air speeds listed.
@@computer-tech-more Yep - and for some fans the speed at 20% PWM or even higher is as low as they'll go.
But I specifically looked into your A12x25 review and in your data it does near 500rpm at 20% PWM. Cross-referencing with other reviews (Igor in particular, the man is meticular) it'll turn on at around 300rpm and turn off at 230rpm. I think this is worthwhile information for fans that have a truly broad RPM range and can actually utilize the 10-20% PWM spectrum.
@@Steamrick most fans turn off below 20% pwm, I could be wrong but I think igor does voltage control and that does allow this or use a power supply to do voltage control. I try to test as someone would use it. But i doe see your point.
@@computer-tech-more Igor tests both voltage and PWM. I was referring to his PWM numbers.
I don't know what signal range the average mainboard allows people to use - I use an aqua computer Quadro and an Aqauero fan controller in my PC, which allow for extremely precise control.
@@Steamrick I just have an asus motherboard and use standard 4 pin fan headers. so that might be it.
am i he only one who thinks that 90% of this video is usless?
you are welcome to your opinion. but most other reviewers are a joke. I'm an actual Aero engineer. Just lack funding.
@@computer-tech-more
You'll get there eventually. But for now you've got to pay your dues, just like all other YT'ers .. You asked for help improving your videos. Mocking other reviewers just because you have a formal degree is not a good look. But your knowledge is obvious, almost to a fault.... Meaning you are kind of all over the place with your reviews and your charts are crazy hard to understand, mostly because the order and the abbreviated fan names you use. I found myself pausing just to look up a fan, or what order they are stacked in, if any.
You have to figure out the common denominator or demographics of your viewers in your analytics, and cater to them. I would highly recommend a format like Gamers Nexus. Steve dumbs it down enough for an average pc builder to understand. I promise few if any of your viewers are engineers. Also show your face. Nobody cares if your beautiful or not, it will just make you more relatable. Don't beg for money or donations and limit the amount of times you tell people to sub or join Patreon. Most importantly.... delete that comment above. It is a very bad look and not going to sit well with most normal people.... bragging about achievements and degrees screams elite asshole. I wish you luck and I subbed. One more thing ....don't take comments personally.