And another every time he slurs two words together, then a double every time he slurs three words together. Shoot yourself in the head when he slurs four words together.
Nice video, one note on single mode vs multimode, single can support more than one wavelength and is commonly used for exactly that. Todays systems can support 192 channels
1. If you have a big house and lightning strikes are a threat, optics will give you a lot of peace of mind for isolating different network segments. 2. You can do single fiber LC connectors, using "bidi" tranceiver.
i would love to have more information on where you put those cables, did you route them in pipes or just laying bare on the isolation on the ceilings ?
Nice video. As with MM vs SM then I went for SM as more future proof option. Transceivers are more expensive, but cables are usable at every length without 100 meter limit. One thing to consider inside a house is that rodents do have some strange need to nibble these cable coating. It may render patch cables useless at some point. Also, by building code the patch cable use may be wrong anyway, but who cares at your own house...
Not correct where you said single mode will only take one wave length. Single mode can handle multiple wavelengths, you can also combine multiple wavelengths into one fiber and separate them on the other end, this is generally used for under sea cables where the distance and quality of fiber would make it unreasonable to run 1 strand for every 100Gbps of the multi terabit capacity, one of the cables I've seen had 4 strands and could do about 7Tbps. Basically single mode will allow a given wavelength to only travel in one path, this stops the high vs low light pulses from blending into a continuously on light.
Guides I’ve read say go SM if you can. Speaking of fiber, I’ve seen some things that imply multi-fiber cable is a thing, with special cables at the end to break out into individual lines again. Is this real? Seems like you could save big on installation costs by running a single drop of 4-fiber cable, for example, rather than 4 cables and likely paying a fee for each, to get 4 ports at each end. I’m not sure how you match up ports at each end though.
@@headlibrarian1996 If you are thinking of muxing, then you can use CWDM or DWDM. It will not be cheap though. Cheaper to run more strands in a home. It uses different wavelenths of light for each transceiver, kind of like a prism turning a rainbow into white light, and another one distributing it back into a rainbow on the other end.
Why use a patch bay for the fiber connections? Is there any advantage to it vs just plugging your cables in directly? Is there any downside to using the patch bay?
I've made the jump to fiber as well after more than a decade with 1Gbit, go straight to 100Gbit and some devices running on 25Gbit, 10Gbit and old stuff on 1 Gbit. Mikrotik has very affordable switches that do the job. Nowadays with NVME, each device can easily transfer 10Gbyte per second, so 100Gbit is not that fast compared to those NVME devices.
I guess im a little confused. How do you get a client device like a PC, Smart tv to get a fiber connection? I guess i can understand getting a fiber cars for a pc, but how do you do that for a smart tv?
I'm just starting out on my fiber home networking project, and am so glad I found your video. You explain the requirements clearly, and I learned a lot. Many thanks!
One time at work I was tracing a fibre line and I was really tired, I looked directly down the fibre tracer. Which is extremely bright compared to normal data light levels so you can visually see which is your fibre. Bloody blinded myself for 5 minutes.
I once flashed a little pointer laser around the room next to a guy that was looking into one of those scopes testing his hand polished ends. He started going crazy looking around and when I showed him the pointer he was so relieved, thought he had forgotten some kind of shield and was about to go blind. Never did that again to a guy testing fiber. It wasn’t pretty. That was back when fiber was pretty new and so were laser pointers
100 Gbe fiber reasonably priced, switches and router will cost more then your home. Just yanking your chain as I know you are testing limits. I have 10 Gbe on a couple of drops and is overkill for me for home use. Very rarely would I even saturate a 1 Gbe network for any length of time for home use. As my Wife always asks me “What is your purpose for doing this?” as I have a blank stare with no logical answer. LOL.
haha I would agree to some parts of that. For most people 2.5 gbe is perfect, really low cost low power connectors that can get you really good speeds. As for 100gbe you can do it fairly cheap (junk eBay cards) if you don't buy a switch at all and just direct connect your computer to your NAS
100G switching tend to be expensive, but there is always a PtP option to try. I am vurrently testing that. Different matter is if there is any way to utilise that kind of connection.
Mikrotik has a switch worth looking at: CRS504-4XQ-IN -- 4 qsfp28 in a 45W switch. You can break that out into 16 25Gbe ports if you want. Less money than the M2516, but it idles a tad higher. At $800, this stuff doesn't have to break the bank anymore. It isn't cheap, but it's under a grand.
The way this guy talks puts me on edge so much. I'd love to see him as a guest suspect on one of those CSI shows. He just looks so guilty for no reason. 🤣🤣
Quick question! What if my SFP+ ports are inside a Chinese aliexpress basically no name switch? How would I choose the correct transceiver or know which firmware to emulate so that it would be compatible with it?
Lets say you buy a LR transceivers when you only needed SR (long range, short range), you can log into the switch and see the optic levels and determine how much you have to attenuate.
Can you use OM3 fiber in an application that currently uses OM1 & OM2 as long as there is a patch panel between the different types of cable? I was sent the wrong cable and trying to figure out if I can still use it?
Not sure if you're aware, but if you have a network card with multi-transceiver ports, you can combine fiber connections into a single one, thereby increasing bandwidth. This also provides a redundant connection for added reliability. You got to remember these cables have glass inside and as the sayin' goes "Glass is Glass and Glass will break".
so i wonder, i have an "old house" (not really THAT old but one of the main electricians was, hardly an expert ion his job) so i'm plagued with a house that has very small conduits to make new cable travel. Anyway, i wanted to modernize data transfer in my home to reach more rooms with a direct cable output instead of only relying on wifi or powerlines; since i have small diameter conduits, passing duplex premade cables (dont wanna buy or rent a fusion machine to make my own) is basically impossible, so i was looking at the single mode ones; on various pages it says it can deliver up to 100gb in km of distance, but everywere i go searching for a video of someone that has made a fiber cabling, it's always a multimode cable so i started to wonder, is single mode not possible?
@@SpaceRexWill True, but I have seen the wrong part had been installed or shipped, and suddenly have a 'real' Laser pointing at me ... better safe than sorry!
So the ones that are linked are the ones that I got sent and they do work. However what I would recommend you do (if you are ordering from FS) is send them your exact switch and ask them which one. [my unbiased opinion] They actually have really solid support for stuff like that, when I was working with them for this video I told them my switches and they just sent me the ones that work
Family issues are in the way of me completing my video sets of the same (though I'm going OS2 rather than OM4). In fact, I haven't even watched this yet. Wiring for 25 just seems obvious to me and I'm glad someone is making that case. I was going to go full 10G UTP/RJ45, but I'm rather over that plan aside from POE. The stuff that needs 10 can use 25, and will be even happier at multiples of that in the future.
@@SpaceRexWill loss calculations made MMF iffy. I was originally considering piping MTP into the attic, doing physical routing up there (perhaps with MTPMTP or split and then LCLC), piping that to each room, LCLC at the wall, and then to machine. Multiple insertion losses made the power budget iffy. That may be my pessimism at work, though, tbh. And then I was looking at the whole OM2->OM3->OM4->OM5 upgrade escalator and thinking "ya'know, I don't want to re-run all of this glass." When my dad built his home he pre-installed glass, but that was back in the 90s, and it is all out of date. I do not want to be in that situation. OS2 seemed more stable, though the transceivers are definitely pricier (lasers not leds I think is most of the price diff there?). Mostly doesn't matter yet, though, as I'm still single floor atm. Some of this thinking was born from having (theoretical) access to the Leaf and figuring out how to route an overabundance of sfp28 AND qsfp28 ports which meant a LOT more bandwidth between rooms, and consequently a few extra bundling and debundling (through MTP) connections. At the moment I'm using qnap's 16 port sfp28 switch. I never went back to recalculate though. Clearly I'm not going to be bringing an MTP connection to each room anymore. Darn shame -- that would have been fun. Although the Leaf's noise would likely have driven me batty [it doesn't take much, I'm afraid] :>
@@SpaceRexWill im not sure if it was a PfSense or a sfp/sfp+ compatibility or NIC compattibility thing or what but for the life of me i could not get it to play nice with dac.
The video I have seen yet brother I have seen many videos of mkhbhd and other TH-camrs but this takes the cake it’s a dream setup for me 😍 keep the great 👍🏽 work
Very interesting. Already knew most of the stuff, but always refreshing to hear the explanation again, especially for SM/MM difference. But... A 25Gb uplink to your PC... Respect for that. Just wondering what storage setup are you using in the serverrack to be able to saturate such a link? Even with SSD's you would max out at 5Gbps for sequential reads, unless you set it up in specific RAID modes (RAID 10 e.g.) to allow parallel reads on different disks, but that would cost a ton of money if you want some serious storage volume. (Guess now you are going to tell me you are using U.2 or NVME drives of 4TB in a RAID 10 setup ;-) ). In any case: very good video (as usual) in explaining how to use fibre in the house. I am only having 10G connectivity in the serverrack itself, rest is 1Gb throughout the house and I am at a point that I actually saturate 1Gbps when moving data to the NAS... For me a 10G upgrade using fibre would already be a serious stepup One additional note with regards to the laserlight (and this is for everyone starting to work with fibre optics): - Visibility of the light: --->only multimode laserlight is visible with the naked eye (850 nm in most cases), you'll see 5 red dots. Avoid trying to look into it directly as advised in de video --->When using single mode SFP's, light will not be visible. Never try to look into laserlight which is Single Mode as it will damage your eyes definitively, especially for speeds of 10Gb/s and higher (quite powerful). You cannot see the light anyway as the wave length is outside the visible spectrum (1310 nanometres) I do know it is common that people look straight to the connectors to check if light is coming out. DOn't. There's cheap tools to check if the patch is broken or not (50$ max): you can plug them onto the fibre connector and they shoot a lightbeam through the fibre which is dispersed at the ends (in most cases red) if the patch is OK. If it is not OK, the light will come out of the plastic at the place where the fibre is broken
@@SpaceRexWill That explains :-). Man, that's going to be a joy to work with in that case! Any chance you'll do a video once that system has been setup? I am currently working with Storage Spaces from MS (2 way mirror, 2 columns). Using spinning rust for the cheap, but sequential write speeds go up to 2 Gbps (Can't go faster as I only have 2 copper connections to my office room in the house). Unfortunately due to the mechanical drives, that speed drops fast when having to move a lot of small files. The hardware you are going to use combined with those aggregated links will be lightning fast indeed :-)
Ah, well if you can get away from storage spaces you will have a better time. Have you looked at TrueNAS before? its going to give you way better performance, but is a bit more complicated to setup
@@SpaceRexWill I already had a look at truenas and already did set it up. It is more complicated than storage spaces indeed, but I am a techy, so no issue. The reason I stay with storage spaces for NAS (plain storage NAS, not VM's) is because you can simply pull out the disks out of the server and plug it into whatever Windows machine you want to continue in case the HW fails (motherboard, processor,...). It even works when creating the disk pool initially on a windows server OS and then moving the disks to Windows 10. It always scares the hell out of me having to take into account HW failures when having a lot of data
I've got a similar setup. I ran 25gbe dedicated between NAS and computer before upgrading the switch. Made a big difference, though I max out at about 1700MBps using AJA system test in windows, and about 2.2GBps file read in Linux. The 10Gb connector that preceded it didn't get half of that -- I think it maxed out at under 1GBps. I've got a pair of nvme drives in raid on my NAS acting as a read cache which is perfect for editing and compiles as everything is pulled into cache and then runs nice and quick. I am definitely looking forward to being able to put the whole thing in flash, but I figure that move is about three years away.
The explanation is a little bit wrong for the SM/MM difference. As the name already says, in the SM fiber only a single mode of light is put through it. In MM it's multiple. It has nothing to do with different wavelenghts.
You refer to "ethernet cable" for "category" copper cable, I'm sure it's a language shortcut ;-) But actually in your fiber it is also ethernet signal :)
Our network guy who came to install cables for our office wanted to run cat5 .. It's a pet peeve of mine.. why would you want to limit yourself like that!? I know that 8bit guy on youtube got cat5 for his shed.. It upset me so much when I found out, and it's not even my place lol.
I've run 10GbE over Cat-5e successfully, its not as limiting as people think it is over the size of a house. But for outdoor runs I'd always go fibre over copper.
100GBASE-SR4 uses 4 pairs of MMF cables so it’s a bit misleading to say “OM4 can handle a 100 Gbit connection”. The connectors are different too so you’d need to rerun the cables.
Its more common to use MTP for 100GbE but that does not mean its the only way to do it. This transceiver goes 100GbE at 100m of an OM4 cable LC - LC cable which is what I installed: www.fs.com/products/135557.html
SOme great cheap 2nd hand high speed SFP style PCIe boards and tranceivers can be had off ebay or similar sites to make a 100Gbit connection. ALSO SWITCHES!!! Keep this in mind if you haven't bought yet and don't have a generous sponsor :D Good on you for taking the step and thanks for sharing :). I've been running 10GBe over Cat5e in my home. PC-> server with no switch just for straight file access and it does well enough as I can't hit wire speed anyway with only 7 HDD in RAID6.
well. that looks easy, i did my houses 4 of ‘em in om3 and lc ends that i had to put on myself, man did it get expensive fast like 300 for a huge reel of om3 fiber cable ,120 for 12 lc ends needed double that so 240, needed 500 worth of switches 200 of sfp modules, never doing it again
Sorry, but no, single mode transceivers aren't that much more expensive, in fact they are very affordable and cost between $5 to $10 more on average than multimode transceivers. Single mode fiber is great because it allows the use of BiDi transceivers, which allows to use a single cable to transport the same data for receive and transmit instead of relying on 2. BiDi transceivers are slightly more expensive but totally worth it in my opinion. Also terminating your own cables is fairly easy and straightforward, you just need a dedicated connector, a fiber stripping and a fiber cutting tool. You don't need some expensive fiber splicer (soldering equipment) to do this.
it is not hard to do a fusion splicing, it's expensive, yes, but hard it is not, well, maybe for someone who hasn't done fiber work before it might seem hard, but the process is straight forward
Nice. I am not sure I would ever have use for this much speed in my home. But, it looks like it is terry easy to implement. We already use all Ubiquity switches and security gear.
great video I learned way more then I thought I didn't know companies like to lock down their products with specific connectors which shouldn't be legal and I didn't know a light goes through it even before its connected to everything.
If you are building a house make sure you have a smart panel with conduit runs to each location and not just cable pulled. You'll thank me as technology changes
@@jonneymendoza as technology changes so will the cables going to each location. Changing them would be simply pulling the cable thru the conduit instead of climbing in the attic to swap it out. Higher end homes do this . If getting your house built do this because in the long run you will save money and time
Building in 2023 what will be the best wire in the house? Cat6? .. Cat?? or Fiber? of course for a typical owner. Love all your Videos! Learning everyday something new.
@@StuffJason437 Cat 6a. I don't even think data centers use Cat 8 as the energy usage /heat is so high tryinig to push 40Gbps per transceiver over copper . I would skip multimode and just run single mode. Cable is not the expensive part, labor is. OS2 will not run into limitations like OM3/4 will. Though actually pushing data at 10G+, let alone 100Gbps is $$$$$. BTW QSFP+ is just a 100Gbps or 4x25GBps SFP28s or 10x SFP+...... Can either be multimode or singlemode, depends on the transceiver .
@@StuffJason437 Nothing actually uses cat8, and most of the "cat 8" cables don't even meet standard and are fake. No reason to run multimode in the 2020s, cable is more expensive, and transceivers are only very slightly cheaper.
can't carry power over fiber. 10G is a better solution for delivering POE to IoT devices. I can't imagine why I would need a camera, phone, MQTT device to be connected at 100G.
You CAN get 40 GB over copper IF you have multiple cable runs AND use a multi port card in LAG mode AND LAG multiple ports on your switch BUT it is extremely WAISTFULL to do this...... it CAN be done though.....
Are you really sure these are OM4 fiber cables? Normally OM2 is orange, OM3 is this blue color you have and OM4 is purple. At least this is how they are normally colored.
It's beautiful but i still don't get why someone needs it. If you have more than 50 employees, i could understand the need but fiber cable inside the house looks very unnecessary to me.
Oh yes! I work off of a NAS (network attached storage) which allows any computers on my network to access any storage on the network. However its speed is limited by how fast the network is
For my application the main point for the fiber was lightning. I lost a lot of equipment die to lightning and went for the SM fiber since. The SM was to het rid of any length limiys as well. All possible speed improvements did build on top of that.
Just wait til you try and buy a switch that will handle 100gb not only are those switches themselves incredibly expensive but they all require a yearly license to use them.
$200 per run to terminate let alone around $1000 for the switch and another 1-300 further network card.. it's only "cheap" beast all fiber and connections were donated
You can do exactly what you are doing here with a single strand of SMF. Lot of wrong information in this video, your concept is neat but this is not how you would build a network. There is nothing easier about MMF. It's just cheaper.
nice video but the sad part is you probably won't get those speeds. because a 2.5 inch ssd will only transfer at a max of 500 megs a second. the only way u would get that connection is if u had nvme drive on the host machine and on the server. and the max the ssd can go is like 3500 mbps. nowhere near 25 gigabit. That's why I chose to not upgrade to fiber quite yet. is because storage needs to come a long ways before they are traveling at the same speed. I just hope in 10 or 20 years from now they are still using LC fiber connections. but we will see. if I ever get a NAS I want a sfp plus port for future upgrades.
Cisco Network Professional here. This is exactly what I was thinking. ISP's use 100Gb (sometimes bundled) for moving data but for someone's home 10Gb is more than enough, the disk cannot handle the speed. Unless you're a medium/large enterprise 100Gb is not needed at home.
You are "NOT" going to go blind if you look into the end of the fiber cable at all. It's to low of power. Plus the width of the light is so small, you would have to shove the LC connector into your eye.. If you really want to see the light at the end, use your phone in camera ( picture taking mode) then look at the end of the lc connector one side will be lite up.. It's actually not that bright either..
Yeah you are not going to go blind but you still should avert your eyes just like not looking down a laser pointer. The light is actually decently bright, but filtered out of a lot of camera sensors
100% a very bad idea to look into any fiber. The light level the camera picks up is only a fraction, as there are filters to filter out infared spectrum. Get a visual fault locator and have a good stare into the fiber and come back to me on how it will NOT blind you. Luckily any home user will be be buying sfp ment for short distance, so they are lower power and won't blind someone right away. Single mode sfp ment for longer range 10-200km will definitely blind you! The long range sfp also break the receiver if you don't have enough dB loss over your cable.
@@SpaceRexWill You eventually will need to replace MMF with something different. And the prices difference on optic is not "significantly more" expensive. You are talking $20 on on 25G and maybe $100 on 50G or 100G optics. You will run in to MMF limitations in future if speeds faster 100G.
lol so much wrong here. You aren't going to hurt your eyes. This and typical equipment in datacenters are class 1. I've been looking at lights for years on my fiber connections. Anything harmful without a doubt will be made known to you. What's really dangerous is the possibility of less experienced folks thinking they need a fiber backbone in their house and thinking it will make everything faster. For 99% of people, this is a waste of money. Unless you are pushing big data around between servers INTERNALLY while serving up thousands of client connections for services, or running a hotel with free Netflix streaming, there is no real need for this. I've got piles of mmf I could wire up my neighborhood with a pile of sfps and equipment and I still running wi-fi and cat5e. What is nice about having a 25Gbps link at your PC? What application would suck up 25gbps when you kick it off? You keep saying faster but what you should be saying is more.. None of this will make anything faster unless of course you are on DSL then anything will be faster but it's not many steps up to hit the point of diminishing returns.
First off, a person only has two eyes. People have shared their experiences of starting into those as extremely unpleasant, so best to refrain. Secondly, a nas with a few bays can easily saturate a 10gbe link
To be fair to them, they are a homelabber, so there isn't really a practical reason to upgrade the network besides it being fun to have immense bandwidth. They do have an ssd nas though, so that might use some of the bandwidth. Also, using mmf to wire up a neighborhood is a bad idea, as you won't have good enough range, and most PON gear is on single mode.
Take a shot every time he picks up the fiberoptic cable.
And another every time he slurs two words together, then a double every time he slurs three words together. Shoot yourself in the head when he slurs four words together.
Bro I tried this. I had to get my stomach pumped.
😂😂
Are you trying to get someone killed?
Nice video, one note on single mode vs multimode, single can support more than one wavelength and is commonly used for exactly that. Todays systems can support 192 channels
1. If you have a big house and lightning strikes are a threat, optics will give you a lot of peace of mind for isolating different network segments.
2. You can do single fiber LC connectors, using "bidi" tranceiver.
The other Option is to have nearly 70m of copper cladding around the whole roof. No lightning strike will do any harm here 😂
i would love to have more information on where you put those cables, did you route them in pipes or just laying bare on the isolation on the ceilings ?
Nice video. As with MM vs SM then I went for SM as more future proof option. Transceivers are more expensive, but cables are usable at every length without 100 meter limit. One thing to consider inside a house is that rodents do have some strange need to nibble these cable coating. It may render patch cables useless at some point. Also, by building code the patch cable use may be wrong anyway, but who cares at your own house...
Yeah luckily we have a new build with no rodents so far. I am planning on jacketing the cables that I can just in case
@@SpaceRexWill Conduit in the wall can be a good choice too.
Not correct where you said single mode will only take one wave length. Single mode can handle multiple wavelengths, you can also combine multiple wavelengths into one fiber and separate them on the other end, this is generally used for under sea cables where the distance and quality of fiber would make it unreasonable to run 1 strand for every 100Gbps of the multi terabit capacity, one of the cables I've seen had 4 strands and could do about 7Tbps.
Basically single mode will allow a given wavelength to only travel in one path, this stops the high vs low light pulses from blending into a continuously on light.
Guides I’ve read say go SM if you can.
Speaking of fiber, I’ve seen some things that imply multi-fiber cable is a thing, with special cables at the end to break out into individual lines again. Is this real? Seems like you could save big on installation costs by running a single drop of 4-fiber cable, for example, rather than 4 cables and likely paying a fee for each, to get 4 ports at each end. I’m not sure how you match up ports at each end though.
@@headlibrarian1996 If you are thinking of muxing, then you can use CWDM or DWDM. It will not be cheap though. Cheaper to run more strands in a home. It uses different wavelenths of light for each transceiver, kind of like a prism turning a rainbow into white light, and another one distributing it back into a rainbow on the other end.
@@deepspacecow2644 What I think I'm describing is a single cable with multiple strands underneath the outer sheath, not multiplexed lasers.
@@headlibrarian1996 Oooh. That is some cool stuff.
@@headlibrarian1996 yes if you purchase MTP/MPO fiber
Thank. Whats the Keystone you used for these?
Oops @01:49, optical fiber has an incredibly HIGH signal to noise ratio...
Yes completely mis-spoke
I don't have fiber optic internet in my area, just coax runs. Can I still use fiber cable for my home office setup, if I have the equipment for it?
Of course
Did a 100GBE upgrade. But with Single Mode Fiber. Is (in after market) much cheaper. A 100GBE single mode fibre (100GBASE-CWDM4) costs 7-20 USD.
Why use a patch bay for the fiber connections? Is there any advantage to it vs just plugging your cables in directly? Is there any downside to using the patch bay?
You have a link to those fiber keystone adapters? I can't find them on FS by using the searchbar.
I've made the jump to fiber as well after more than a decade with 1Gbit, go straight to 100Gbit and some devices running on 25Gbit, 10Gbit and old stuff on 1 Gbit. Mikrotik has very affordable switches that do the job. Nowadays with NVME, each device can easily transfer 10Gbyte per second, so 100Gbit is not that fast compared to those NVME devices.
100Gbit means 12.5GB right? how is that not fast enough to use with 10GB speed NVME drives?
@@ArunG273 Just put 2 or more NVMEs in a pool and you already can saturate the 100GBe, sure its fast, but not like its hard to saturate.
Really great video! Thank you for creating it! Helped me so much!
I guess im a little confused. How do you get a client device like a PC, Smart tv to get a fiber connection? I guess i can understand getting a fiber cars for a pc, but how do you do that for a smart tv?
I'm just starting out on my fiber home networking project, and am so glad I found your video. You explain the requirements clearly, and I learned a lot. Many thanks!
How do you have 100Gbe (gigabit ethernet) fiber?
One time at work I was tracing a fibre line and I was really tired, I looked directly down the fibre tracer. Which is extremely bright compared to normal data light levels so you can visually see which is your fibre. Bloody blinded myself for 5 minutes.
Ooooooffffff not fun
There are glasses for that
I once flashed a little pointer laser around the room next to a guy that was looking into one of those scopes testing his hand polished ends. He started going crazy looking around and when I showed him the pointer he was so relieved, thought he had forgotten some kind of shield and was about to go blind. Never did that again to a guy testing fiber. It wasn’t pretty.
That was back when fiber was pretty new and so were laser pointers
100 Gbe fiber reasonably priced, switches and router will cost more then your home.
Just yanking your chain as I know you are testing limits. I have 10 Gbe on a couple of drops and is overkill for me for home use. Very rarely would I even saturate a 1 Gbe network for any length of time for home use.
As my Wife always asks me “What is your purpose for doing this?” as I have a blank stare with no logical answer. LOL.
haha I would agree to some parts of that. For most people 2.5 gbe is perfect, really low cost low power connectors that can get you really good speeds.
As for 100gbe you can do it fairly cheap (junk eBay cards) if you don't buy a switch at all and just direct connect your computer to your NAS
@@SpaceRexWill I agree. I do not do video editing so my network demands are much lower.
100G switching tend to be expensive, but there is always a PtP option to try. I am vurrently testing that. Different matter is if there is any way to utilise that kind of connection.
Mikrotik has a switch worth looking at: CRS504-4XQ-IN -- 4 qsfp28 in a 45W switch. You can break that out into 16 25Gbe ports if you want. Less money than the M2516, but it idles a tad higher. At $800, this stuff doesn't have to break the bank anymore. It isn't cheap, but it's under a grand.
@@DavidCNavas I would skip any Mikrotik stuff. Go straight to something that supports everything on the ASIC at wirespeed....
The way this guy talks puts me on edge so much. I'd love to see him as a guest suspect on one of those CSI shows. He just looks so guilty for no reason. 🤣🤣
Quick question! What if my SFP+ ports are inside a Chinese aliexpress basically no name switch? How would I choose the correct transceiver or know which firmware to emulate so that it would be compatible with it?
Those tend to not care which brand transceivers you use.
What about fiber optic suppressors? When to use it? How choose the right one?
Lets say you buy a LR transceivers when you only needed SR (long range, short range), you can log into the switch and see the optic levels and determine how much you have to attenuate.
Is the jacket rated for in-wall/airspace installation?
What a time to be alive
Can you use OM3 fiber in an application that currently uses OM1 & OM2 as long as there is a patch panel between the different types of cable? I was sent the wrong cable and trying to figure out if I can still use it?
All of the OM grades are supposed to be backwards compatible.
What’s the plan when you have a guest staying? Does it all get shut down?! 😮 Especially now with the 42u rack!
Awesome! Did you have to pull the cable any special way? I'm doing something similar but I'm worried about how hard a tug.
So I did not pull, but instead unrolled because of my setup. If you are pulling you should get some fiber with a pull cord
Not sure if you're aware, but if you have a network card with multi-transceiver ports, you can combine fiber connections into a single one, thereby increasing bandwidth. This also provides a redundant connection for added reliability.
You got to remember these cables have glass inside and as the sayin' goes "Glass is Glass and Glass will break".
He did mention that
@@BoraHorzaGobuchulTo some extent.
nice video!!! question...is it possible to split the cables in two and then pull the cables one by one through the conduit?
so i wonder, i have an "old house" (not really THAT old but one of the main electricians was, hardly an expert ion his job) so i'm plagued with a house that has very small conduits to make new cable travel. Anyway, i wanted to modernize data transfer in my home to reach more rooms with a direct cable output instead of only relying on wifi or powerlines; since i have small diameter conduits, passing duplex premade cables (dont wanna buy or rent a fusion machine to make my own) is basically impossible, so i was looking at the single mode ones; on various pages it says it can deliver up to 100gb in km of distance, but everywere i go searching for a video of someone that has made a fiber cabling, it's always a multimode cable so i started to wonder, is single mode not possible?
Well done, thank you. IMHO one should always wear protective goggles when dealing with fiber while lit instead of just "looking away"
Good point, I wonder what wavelengths are typical amongst fiber optics systems and if the goggles are cheap.
If you are working with long range single mode fiber (an actual laser) then it can't hurt. But if you are using MMF then its just a bright LED
@@SpaceRexWill True, but I have seen the wrong part had been installed or shipped, and suddenly have a 'real' Laser pointing at me ... better safe than sorry!
Did you use the Cisco flavour transceivers for the Unifi switches?
So the ones that are linked are the ones that I got sent and they do work. However what I would recommend you do (if you are ordering from FS) is send them your exact switch and ask them which one. [my unbiased opinion] They actually have really solid support for stuff like that, when I was working with them for this video I told them my switches and they just sent me the ones that work
My RJ45 works just fine.
Family issues are in the way of me completing my video sets of the same (though I'm going OS2 rather than OM4). In fact, I haven't even watched this yet. Wiring for 25 just seems obvious to me and I'm glad someone is making that case. I was going to go full 10G UTP/RJ45, but I'm rather over that plan aside from POE. The stuff that needs 10 can use 25, and will be even happier at multiples of that in the future.
Interesting, what made you go SMF rather than MMF?
@@SpaceRexWill loss calculations made MMF iffy. I was originally considering piping MTP into the attic, doing physical routing up there (perhaps with MTPMTP or split and then LCLC), piping that to each room, LCLC at the wall, and then to machine. Multiple insertion losses made the power budget iffy. That may be my pessimism at work, though, tbh. And then I was looking at the whole OM2->OM3->OM4->OM5 upgrade escalator and thinking "ya'know, I don't want to re-run all of this glass." When my dad built his home he pre-installed glass, but that was back in the 90s, and it is all out of date. I do not want to be in that situation. OS2 seemed more stable, though the transceivers are definitely pricier (lasers not leds I think is most of the price diff there?). Mostly doesn't matter yet, though, as I'm still single floor atm.
Some of this thinking was born from having (theoretical) access to the Leaf and figuring out how to route an overabundance of sfp28 AND qsfp28 ports which meant a LOT more bandwidth between rooms, and consequently a few extra bundling and debundling (through MTP) connections. At the moment I'm using qnap's 16 port sfp28 switch. I never went back to recalculate though. Clearly I'm not going to be bringing an MTP connection to each room anymore. Darn shame -- that would have been fun. Although the Leaf's noise would likely have driven me batty [it doesn't take much, I'm afraid] :>
i was having compatibility issues with intel and mikrotik using DAC cable. fiber with the appropriate transceivers fixed that.
Interesting! I have not seen that an issue with that
@@SpaceRexWill im not sure if it was a PfSense or a sfp/sfp+ compatibility or NIC compattibility thing or what but for the life of me i could not get it to play nice with dac.
The video I have seen yet brother I have seen many videos of mkhbhd and other TH-camrs but this takes the cake it’s a dream setup for me 😍 keep the great 👍🏽 work
I forgot to put best in the excitement lol
I use FS for a lot of cable, connectors.
Yeah I have actually been really impressed and bought stuff from them outside of what they sent me
Did you start with a dark fiber network or do you have a Mainstream TeleCommunications company for the "lighted network"?
So this is 100% an internal network!
100gbe is faster than the fastest nvme, so I'm wondering, what do you do in your house?
It’s RAID
your R630 with 7 sata ssd?
Gen 5 ssds already are faster
Very interesting. Already knew most of the stuff, but always refreshing to hear the explanation again, especially for SM/MM difference. But... A 25Gb uplink to your PC... Respect for that. Just wondering what storage setup are you using in the serverrack to be able to saturate such a link? Even with SSD's you would max out at 5Gbps for sequential reads, unless you set it up in specific RAID modes (RAID 10 e.g.) to allow parallel reads on different disks, but that would cost a ton of money if you want some serious storage volume. (Guess now you are going to tell me you are using U.2 or NVME drives of 4TB in a RAID 10 setup ;-) ). In any case: very good video (as usual) in explaining how to use fibre in the house. I am only having 10G connectivity in the serverrack itself, rest is 1Gb throughout the house and I am at a point that I actually saturate 1Gbps when moving data to the NAS... For me a 10G upgrade using fibre would already be a serious stepup
One additional note with regards to the laserlight (and this is for everyone starting to work with fibre optics):
- Visibility of the light:
--->only multimode laserlight is visible with the naked eye (850 nm in most cases), you'll see 5 red dots. Avoid trying to look into it directly as advised in de video
--->When using single mode SFP's, light will not be visible. Never try to look into laserlight which is Single Mode as it will damage your eyes definitively, especially for speeds of 10Gb/s and higher (quite powerful). You cannot see the light anyway as the wave length is outside the visible spectrum (1310 nanometres)
I do know it is common that people look straight to the connectors to check if light is coming out. DOn't. There's cheap tools to check if the patch is broken or not (50$ max): you can plug them onto the fibre connector and they shoot a lightbeam through the fibre which is dispersed at the ends (in most cases red) if the patch is OK. If it is not OK, the light will come out of the plastic at the place where the fibre is broken
I currently have sata SSD’s in a raidz1 TrueNAS box that I want to upgrade to a 2u 24 port box
@@SpaceRexWill That explains :-). Man, that's going to be a joy to work with in that case! Any chance you'll do a video once that system has been setup? I am currently working with Storage Spaces from MS (2 way mirror, 2 columns). Using spinning rust for the cheap, but sequential write speeds go up to 2 Gbps (Can't go faster as I only have 2 copper connections to my office room in the house). Unfortunately due to the mechanical drives, that speed drops fast when having to move a lot of small files. The hardware you are going to use combined with those aggregated links will be lightning fast indeed :-)
Ah, well if you can get away from storage spaces you will have a better time. Have you looked at TrueNAS before? its going to give you way better performance, but is a bit more complicated to setup
@@SpaceRexWill I already had a look at truenas and already did set it up. It is more complicated than storage spaces indeed, but I am a techy, so no issue. The reason I stay with storage spaces for NAS (plain storage NAS, not VM's) is because you can simply pull out the disks out of the server and plug it into whatever Windows machine you want to continue in case the HW fails (motherboard, processor,...). It even works when creating the disk pool initially on a windows server OS and then moving the disks to Windows 10. It always scares the hell out of me having to take into account HW failures when having a lot of data
I've got a similar setup. I ran 25gbe dedicated between NAS and computer before upgrading the switch. Made a big difference, though I max out at about 1700MBps using AJA system test in windows, and about 2.2GBps file read in Linux. The 10Gb connector that preceded it didn't get half of that -- I think it maxed out at under 1GBps. I've got a pair of nvme drives in raid on my NAS acting as a read cache which is perfect for editing and compiles as everything is pulled into cache and then runs nice and quick. I am definitely looking forward to being able to put the whole thing in flash, but I figure that move is about three years away.
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The explanation is a little bit wrong for the SM/MM difference. As the name already says, in the SM fiber only a single mode of light is put through it. In MM it's multiple. It has nothing to do with different wavelenghts.
I love your videos ❤❤❤
Great Video!! Thanks for sharing, I'm currently investigating on putting in fiber in my home. super usefull!!
Awesome video! Thanks for sharing all this useful information on fibre it will make my eventual upgrade much easier ! Cheers !
Great content. Cardio is life.
My hero.
I wanted to hit the like button - but it is at a clean 666. I will leave it as is.
You refer to "ethernet cable" for "category" copper cable, I'm sure it's a language shortcut ;-) But actually in your fiber it is also ethernet signal :)
Yeah just trying to associate the "rj45" ethernet cable
@@SpaceRexWill yes for sure ;-) Congrats for your overkill setup !
The ultimate nerds dream 😍
Our network guy who came to install cables for our office wanted to run cat5 .. It's a pet peeve of mine.. why would you want to limit yourself like that!? I know that 8bit guy on youtube got cat5 for his shed.. It upset me so much when I found out, and it's not even my place lol.
I've run 10GbE over Cat-5e successfully, its not as limiting as people think it is over the size of a house. But for outdoor runs I'd always go fibre over copper.
Honestly splicing OM4 fibre is easy, done loads.
I prefer to stare right into the fiber laser for the enhanced thinking speed
Who needs a receiver when you can read data right off the laser
The cables seem so sensitive like they will damage easily
They are not that bad. I ran them and was not super gentle and it was fine!
100GBASE-SR4 uses 4 pairs of MMF cables so it’s a bit misleading to say “OM4 can handle a 100 Gbit connection”. The connectors are different too so you’d need to rerun the cables.
Its more common to use MTP for 100GbE but that does not mean its the only way to do it.
This transceiver goes 100GbE at 100m of an OM4 cable LC - LC cable which is what I installed: www.fs.com/products/135557.html
You make great videos! Just hope you're doing alright health wise cuz that breathing kept distracting me ngl 😅
SOme great cheap 2nd hand high speed SFP style PCIe boards and tranceivers can be had off ebay or similar sites to make a 100Gbit connection.
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Good on you for taking the step and thanks for sharing :).
I've been running 10GBe over Cat5e in my home. PC-> server with no switch just for straight file access and it does well enough as I can't hit wire speed anyway with only 7 HDD in RAID6.
"homies dont let homies buy multi mode fiber"
well. that looks easy, i did my houses 4 of ‘em in om3 and lc ends that i had to put on myself, man did it get expensive fast like 300 for a huge reel of om3 fiber cable ,120 for 12 lc ends needed double that so 240, needed 500 worth of switches 200 of sfp modules, never doing it again
yeah that sounds like a nightmare to do! Having the pre-terminated stuff made it so much easier
25GB version? B-roll says otherwise (10GB)
I got sent 4 SFP28 and 8 SFP+
I stopped continuing the number of times you lifted and put down that bundle of FO cable.
Sorry, but no, single mode transceivers aren't that much more expensive, in fact they are very affordable and cost between $5 to $10 more on average than multimode transceivers. Single mode fiber is great because it allows the use of BiDi transceivers, which allows to use a single cable to transport the same data for receive and transmit instead of relying on 2. BiDi transceivers are slightly more expensive but totally worth it in my opinion.
Also terminating your own cables is fairly easy and straightforward, you just need a dedicated connector, a fiber stripping and a fiber cutting tool. You don't need some expensive fiber splicer (soldering equipment) to do this.
MM uses a led light source not a laser
He did say it
it is not hard to do a fusion splicing, it's expensive, yes, but hard it is not, well, maybe for someone who hasn't done fiber work before it might seem hard, but the process is straight forward
Nice. I am not sure I would ever have use for this much speed in my home. But, it looks like it is terry easy to implement. We already use all Ubiquity switches and security gear.
Love fiber, but I hate how sloppy it always looks.
great video I learned way more then I thought I didn't know companies like to lock down their products with specific connectors which shouldn't be legal and I didn't know a light goes through it even before its connected to everything.
If you are building a house make sure you have a smart panel with conduit runs to each location and not just cable pulled. You'll thank me as technology changes
mAY I ASK WHY?
@@jonneymendoza Really?
@@Beachnative42 why not answer the question and elaborate why? Not all of us are as knowledgeable as you
@@jonneymendoza as technology changes so will the cables going to each location. Changing them would be simply pulling the cable thru the conduit instead of climbing in the attic to swap it out. Higher end homes do this . If getting your house built do this because in the long run you will save money and time
@@Beachnative42 mine won't be running into the attic. It will start from ground floor.
I will pull out floorboards and run it through there
Building in 2023 what will be the best wire in the house? Cat6? .. Cat?? or Fiber? of course for a typical owner. Love all your Videos! Learning everyday something new.
Depends on budget, CAT 8 vs OM4 QSFP+ fibre.
@@StuffJason437 Cat 6a. I don't even think data centers use Cat 8 as the energy usage /heat is so high tryinig to push 40Gbps per transceiver over copper . I would skip multimode and just run single mode. Cable is not the expensive part, labor is. OS2 will not run into limitations like OM3/4 will. Though actually pushing data at 10G+, let alone 100Gbps is $$$$$. BTW QSFP+ is just a 100Gbps or 4x25GBps SFP28s or 10x SFP+...... Can either be multimode or singlemode, depends on the transceiver .
@@rezenclowd3I know few ISP's and few data centre's that use multi-mode fibre.
@@StuffJason437 Exactly. There really is no benefit to using OM3/OM4 instead of OS2.
@@StuffJason437 Nothing actually uses cat8, and most of the "cat 8" cables don't even meet standard and are fake. No reason to run multimode in the 2020s, cable is more expensive, and transceivers are only very slightly cheaper.
You speak in decimal system. What country are from? It is not US definitely.
Decibels are the unit of light. It's a logarithmic scale
@@SpaceRexWill I mean you measure distance in meters and centimeters not in feet and inches. SO you do not use Imperial Measurement System.
Ah, that comes from me being an engineer
"10 gigabit - so slow" - LOL, never enough, is it? Me - how can I get my Cat 5e to go slightly faster (2.5g).
1 tb server in house but still 1 gb out only with nas and sas hdd. sas 12-14gb speed. 100gb server switch. lovely LIke
Bro was hyperventilating
Highly detailed video
can't carry power over fiber. 10G is a better solution for delivering POE to IoT devices. I can't imagine why I would need a camera, phone, MQTT device to be connected at 100G.
Lol most cameras don’t even need 1 GbE
Don’t look at the date, nice “sprookje” hahahhahahahahah
You CAN get 40 GB over copper IF you have multiple cable runs AND use a multi port card in LAG mode AND LAG multiple ports on your switch BUT it is extremely WAISTFULL to do this...... it CAN be done though.....
why are you constantly out of breath?
A high SNR is better than a low SNR.
Copper is easy to fix. Fibre is wayyy harder. But yes light is way faster.
I would say run as many fibres as you can if you want to wire your home
Are you really sure these are OM4 fiber cables? Normally OM2 is orange, OM3 is this blue color you have and OM4 is purple. At least this is how they are normally colored.
It's beautiful but i still don't get why someone needs it. If you have more than 50 employees, i could understand the need but fiber cable inside the house looks very unnecessary to me.
It comes down to what you are doing. For moving massive files (video editing) speed is huge and can literally run 2x faster
@@SpaceRexWill inside the same network then
Oh yes! I work off of a NAS (network attached storage) which allows any computers on my network to access any storage on the network. However its speed is limited by how fast the network is
For my application the main point for the fiber was lightning. I lost a lot of equipment die to lightning and went for the SM fiber since. The SM was to het rid of any length limiys as well. All possible speed improvements did build on top of that.
Your hard drives will bottleneck the transfer rate
Just wait til you try and buy a switch that will handle 100gb not only are those switches themselves incredibly expensive but they all require a yearly license to use them.
Not all of them
You can get one of the mikrotik units, or one of the celestica ONIE switches. No license needed, and can be had for under $400.
In my country the fastest Internet is 5mbps😩 and the upload is500kbps
Ooooffff what country?
@@SpaceRexWill Yemen
I am mesmerized why people think that lan speed is somehow connected to wan speed. Say my provider gives me 50mbps but my NAS can give more.
you don't look excited at all :)
"10 gigabit is so slow"
meanwhile me with 40mbps dsl internet
Haha this is for local stuff. I ‘only’ have a 1 gig internet plan
No single fiber can do more than 100 gig they are all ribbon fiber 8 or 16
$200 per run to terminate let alone around $1000 for the switch and another 1-300 further network card.. it's only "cheap" beast all fiber and connections were donated
That 30m fiber cable was only $40... Not $200. Then SFP+ is by far the cheapest option for going 10GbE
Those are pre-terminated. Also, high-cat copper is quite expensive.
haha, great thumbnail!
haha thanks! First time trying it out
You can do exactly what you are doing here with a single strand of SMF. Lot of wrong information in this video, your concept is neat but this is not how you would build a network. There is nothing easier about MMF. It's just cheaper.
Me wow my new PC has 2.5Gbe Yesss
Honestly 2.5 GbE is where it is at for most home users. Fast enough for 300 MB/s transfers while being still cheap and low power
only people that get trancievers for free would use a 6" fibre jumpers and not a DAC cable ;-p
nice video but the sad part is you probably won't get those speeds. because a 2.5 inch ssd will only transfer at a max of 500 megs a second. the only way u would get that connection is if u had nvme drive on the host machine and on the server. and the max the ssd can go is like 3500 mbps. nowhere near 25 gigabit. That's why I chose to not upgrade to fiber quite yet. is because storage needs to come a long ways before they are traveling at the same speed. I just hope in 10 or 20 years from now they are still using LC fiber connections. but we will see. if I ever get a NAS I want a sfp plus port for future upgrades.
He is a heavy NAS user and you can bet he has nvme ssds in his computers. A modern NAS can saturate a 10gbe link
Cisco Network Professional here. This is exactly what I was thinking. ISP's use 100Gb (sometimes bundled) for moving data but for someone's home 10Gb is more than enough, the disk cannot handle the speed. Unless you're a medium/large enterprise 100Gb is not needed at home.
You are "NOT" going to go blind if you look into the end of the fiber cable at all. It's to low of power. Plus the width of the light is so small, you would have to shove the LC connector into your eye.. If you really want to see the light at the end, use your phone in camera ( picture taking mode) then look at the end of the lc connector one side will be lite up.. It's actually not that bright either..
Yeah you are not going to go blind but you still should avert your eyes just like not looking down a laser pointer. The light is actually decently bright, but filtered out of a lot of camera sensors
100% a very bad idea to look into any fiber. The light level the camera picks up is only a fraction, as there are filters to filter out infared spectrum. Get a visual fault locator and have a good stare into the fiber and come back to me on how it will NOT blind you. Luckily any home user will be be buying sfp ment for short distance, so they are lower power and won't blind someone right away. Single mode sfp ment for longer range 10-200km will definitely blind you! The long range sfp also break the receiver if you don't have enough dB loss over your cable.
Imagine thinking that the light coming from a fiber port is a “laser” that can damage your eyes when looking at it for 0.003 seconds..
I don't think SFP+/SFP28 transciever can be used in a SFP slot.
Me with 15mbps😅
Why?
Why not just go put a cat8 cable in in there?
I wanted to go 25 gig and be able to upgrade to 100 gig.
Cat 8 is spec’d to do 40 gig. But there is no hardware that supports it that you can purchase
Cat8 is heard to find in some locations, and I doubt it's cheaper than fibre
Why would you put cat8 in there? No 25 or 40g equipment exists for it because of the insane power and heat requirements over copper.
Pffft... Why would you not use single mode? And always, ALWAYS, clean your fiber connections before plugging them in, even on new cables.
SMF transceivers are significantly more expensive, and the distances I am running these at are so short I never need SMF
@@SpaceRexWill You eventually will need to replace MMF with something different. And the prices difference on optic is not "significantly more" expensive. You are talking $20 on on 25G and maybe $100 on 50G or 100G optics. You will run in to MMF limitations in future if speeds faster 100G.
Clean your connectors before patching. I have scoped so many dirty end faces on capped brand new cables.
lol so much wrong here. You aren't going to hurt your eyes. This and typical equipment in datacenters are class 1. I've been looking at lights for years on my fiber connections. Anything harmful without a doubt will be made known to you. What's really dangerous is the possibility of less experienced folks thinking they need a fiber backbone in their house and thinking it will make everything faster. For 99% of people, this is a waste of money. Unless you are pushing big data around between servers INTERNALLY while serving up thousands of client connections for services, or running a hotel with free Netflix streaming, there is no real need for this. I've got piles of mmf I could wire up my neighborhood with a pile of sfps and equipment and I still running wi-fi and cat5e.
What is nice about having a 25Gbps link at your PC? What application would suck up 25gbps when you kick it off? You keep saying faster but what you should be saying is more..
None of this will make anything faster unless of course you are on DSL then anything will be faster but it's not many steps up to hit the point of diminishing returns.
did you research how much those speeds do or did you leave it at this first glance
First off, a person only has two eyes. People have shared their experiences of starting into those as extremely unpleasant, so best to refrain.
Secondly, a nas with a few bays can easily saturate a 10gbe link
To be fair to them, they are a homelabber, so there isn't really a practical reason to upgrade the network besides it being fun to have immense bandwidth. They do have an ssd nas though, so that might use some of the bandwidth. Also, using mmf to wire up a neighborhood is a bad idea, as you won't have good enough range, and most PON gear is on single mode.