Hey vimoh it was me 😭😭😭😭🙏 , I loved the convo and I didnot have organised answers to those , now I have. It's a dream come true for me I showed it to my friends and family that I talked to you I hope I will debate you more
Till now, there is no way to prove that if wind carried sand with it and somehow a sandcastle can't be created because it's complex. Look for contradictions in reality which will depend on your definition of God of course.
I would recommend reading "The Selfish Gene" by Richard Dawkins, evolutionary biology is complicated and this book simplifies it to the maximum extent possible. Once you are done with that, read "The Ancestor's Tale" by the same writer. The second book addresses the issue of complexity and how perfection among living organisms is a misunderstood aspect. I hope it helps.
If the universe is so complex that it needs a creator, then the creator must be much more complex and he will need another creator for himself for the same logic..
This is the best argument found in quran too!! Muhammad could only think about this argument to prove god Otherwise your sword is always with you... conquest and convert
We can not overcome 'DEATH'. Dear brother, death is a name given by human society, which is in fact a continuous change process of matters in nature. When water converts into ice in a very simple natural process, it can be called as water died and ice is born.
It mostly has to do with efficiency more than complexity. Evolution is not a goal dependent process. Most species would actively avoid evolving into something else, but natural selection compels them to become more efficient in the environment they live in. Complexity is merely a by product.
@@exopyrox asking "why is there natural selection is the same as asking "why is there acceleration". Just because a sentence is grammatical doesn't mean it makes any sense. Natural selection is a process by which nature selects those traits helping the organism to adapt to its environment the best. That is why humans don't grow wings. We don't need them. If you want an example of natural selection, look at industrial melanism in moths. Also, if you're arguing for a source, you have to prove that source exists. Evolution has nothing to do with a god. Even if tomorrow evolution is proven to be untrue, that does not automatically prove a creator.
Also @vimoh what do think about these bhakti-sufi saints? Like there are numerous saints who claim to have seen god or have realised the essence of god. Were these appearances or realisations hallucinations or just creation of mind? I put this question because in recent times i have come across many names with similar experiences. What do you think about them,? In current times there is one personality called Sri M. He has written his autobiography called 'apprenticed to a himalayan master'. In this he describes his experiences from childhood till adulthood. A lot of supernatural phenomena have been discusses in it. If you be interested please have a read of it. And please discuss with us what should we make out of such 'experiences'
Dinosaur bahut pehle ke nahi the bhai, aur dinosaur ke pehle ka bhi kafi information hai. Dinosaur mesozoic era pe tha aur life ke spread hua precambrian pei
@@vimohlive kya iska matlab aap god ko do pairon wala do aankhon wala aur do hathon wala vale ko hi god manenge ye jaruri hai kya mai nature ko kyu god nahi nam sakta waise aap ye mat soche ki mai kisko god manata hu matlab mere liye kaun god hai aap bas itna bataiye ki aap ko god k hone kya kya proof chahiye
@@vimohlive samajh lijiye agar Eiffel tower hi god hota tab bhi to aap yahi kah sakte the ki Eiffel tower ko Eiffel tower Mano god kyu manate ho to ye galat hai na agar mai aap ko Eiffel tower ko god proof na kar pau to aap bol sakte hai Eiffel tower ko Eiffel tower Mano tab bat thik rahata
@@amantripathi2715 main poochh raha hoon alag alag cheezo ko god maanne ki kya zaroorat hai? un cheezon ka naam hai. unko use karo. why the need to call anything god?
How is everything in so much sync and interdependent? The ecology, the species living in it, the mountains, the vegetation there. everything is so much linked to each other. If one thing is messed up with the other automatically starts degrading. I wonder how everything is so connected?
Because the universe is a product of causation. Something causes other things. There's logic. Mountains have more trees because they get more rainwater and less habitat.
Because we have evolved through Natural Selection to be adapted to our environment. The species which survived were adapted best to the specific environment. When this changes, we may not survive, and other related organisms may not survive.
Indeed, There is a creator The food doesn't get cooked automatically in kitchen Indeed There is God When we see a table which is such a simple things we don't say it wasn't created automatically from natural selections When we see complex things like computers made by humans we do say it is created by humans then why not us , we are more complex creation May Allah guide us all to the straight path not the heedless one
Misleading rebuttal ... complexity implies inverse probability of something happening on its own. If something doesn't come into effect on its own, there is an external effector ...
@@mhmmdmz Everything we see around us has external factors involved in their creation. I have no reason to believe otherwise and I am also comfortable with the idea that there are things out there that I will never know about. Your patronizing tone indicates that somehow we would reach a god conclusion by going down a road of reason. Reason never takes you there. There's always a fallacy in the arguments when anyone reaches a conclusion about a god and it is not that difficult to spot.
@@PramodKumar-gy8lb - patronizing? - in any case, the idea is the belief in an external creator is the most rational and plausible explanation to our present observations. What's the fallacy in that argument (If one were to overcome the bias of the popular definitions of God... ).
Vaah. "South" asian hi keh diya. "दक्षिण एशियाई" nahi mila tha sanskaari shudh Hindi main. Tamil channel pe bhi jaake bolna chahiye "bhai south asian hindi samajthe hai, tamil nahin". Par voh jaake nahin karoge. Sirf english baat karne vaale channel pe aakar karoge.
Does language matter if the recipient understands it? The question was in English, and Vimoh responded in English. Nothing wrong with that. And Hindi is not a sole representative language of South Asia. There are also other great languages like Urdu, Tamil, Telugu and many others.
Hey vimoh it was me 😭😭😭😭🙏 , I loved the convo and I didnot have organised answers to those , now I have. It's a dream come true for me I showed it to my friends and family that I talked to you I hope I will debate you more
I recommend you watch Laurence Kraus's lecture on an universe from nothing.
The questions were really good :) It is what I always ponder over too. For our minds, it is a very logical leap to think that there is some creator.
@@SaikatBasakThanks for the recommendation.
Till now, there is no way to prove that if wind carried sand with it and somehow a sandcastle can't be created because it's complex. Look for contradictions in reality which will depend on your definition of God of course.
I would recommend reading "The Selfish Gene" by Richard Dawkins, evolutionary biology is complicated and this book simplifies it to the maximum extent possible. Once you are done with that, read "The Ancestor's Tale" by the same writer. The second book addresses the issue of complexity and how perfection among living organisms is a misunderstood aspect.
I hope it helps.
Single cell was simple then everything is evolution
If the universe is so complex that it needs a creator, then the creator must be much more complex and he will need another creator for himself for the same logic..
Like natural number, there is natural cuteness. This is complex cuteness
"Complexity" is relative and requires a frame of reference anyway.
This is the best argument found in quran too!!
Muhammad could only think about this argument to prove god
Otherwise your sword is always with you... conquest and convert
We can not overcome 'DEATH'. Dear brother, death is a name given by human society, which is in fact a continuous change process of matters in nature. When water converts into ice in a very simple natural process, it can be called as water died and ice is born.
True. And to the best of our knowledge, when we die, we turn to dust. So we die and dust is born.
@@vimohlive Thank you sir for your personal reply. Its my great pleasure. I'm a big fan of yours since long. 🌹❤️🙏🏻
Why is there the evolution of simple systems to complex systems in the universe? Kindly explain.
It mostly has to do with efficiency more than complexity. Evolution is not a goal dependent process. Most species would actively avoid evolving into something else, but natural selection compels them to become more efficient in the environment they live in. Complexity is merely a by product.
@@TravelleroftheMicrocosmos why
@@TravelleroftheMicrocosmos why is there natural selection....i am not referring to a biblical god here...but there is a source of all
@@exopyrox asking "why is there natural selection is the same as asking "why is there acceleration". Just because a sentence is grammatical doesn't mean it makes any sense. Natural selection is a process by which nature selects those traits helping the organism to adapt to its environment the best. That is why humans don't grow wings. We don't need them. If you want an example of natural selection, look at industrial melanism in moths.
Also, if you're arguing for a source, you have to prove that source exists. Evolution has nothing to do with a god. Even if tomorrow evolution is proven to be untrue, that does not automatically prove a creator.
@TravelleroftheMicrocosmos yes why is there acceleration...why cant i ask it. Why do we have to accept things taught to us as brute facts...why though
It is difficult to say what is impossible, for the dream of yesterday is the hope of today and the reality of tomorrow
Don't natural processes demonstrate an inherent intelligence? Why does intelligence have be the human type?
Also @vimoh what do think about these bhakti-sufi saints? Like there are numerous saints who claim to have seen god or have realised the essence of god. Were these appearances or realisations hallucinations or just creation of mind? I put this question because in recent times i have come across many names with similar experiences. What do you think about them,? In current times there is one personality called Sri M. He has written his autobiography called 'apprenticed to a himalayan master'. In this he describes his experiences from childhood till adulthood. A lot of supernatural phenomena have been discusses in it. If you be interested please have a read of it. And please discuss with us what should we make out of such 'experiences'
sometimes, I feel the questioners are knowledgeable but they are not articulating their points to Vimoh properly.
Dinosaur bahut pehle ke nahi the bhai, aur dinosaur ke pehle ka bhi kafi information hai. Dinosaur mesozoic era pe tha aur life ke spread hua precambrian pei
sir agar mai nature ko God man lu tab aap mujhase kaisa praman manenge jisse main Ishwar ke hone ka aapko Vishwas dila pau❤❤❤ please bataiye
main poochhonga ki nature ko god kyun maante ho. nature ko nature maanna kaafi nahi hai?
@@vimohlive kya iska matlab aap god ko do pairon wala do aankhon wala aur do hathon wala vale ko hi god manenge ye jaruri hai kya
mai nature ko kyu god nahi nam sakta
waise aap ye mat soche ki mai kisko god manata hu matlab mere liye kaun god hai aap bas itna bataiye ki aap ko god k hone kya kya proof chahiye
@@vimohlive samajh lijiye agar Eiffel tower hi god hota tab bhi to aap yahi kah sakte the ki Eiffel tower ko Eiffel tower Mano god kyu manate ho
to ye galat hai na agar mai aap ko Eiffel tower ko god proof na kar pau to aap bol sakte hai Eiffel tower ko Eiffel tower Mano tab bat thik rahata
@@vimohlive to isase kya main yah nishkarsh nikal sakta hun ki aap Ishwar ke ek Swaroop ko mante Hain Jo aapke Jahan mein baitha hai
@@amantripathi2715 main poochh raha hoon alag alag cheezo ko god maanne ki kya zaroorat hai? un cheezon ka naam hai. unko use karo. why the need to call anything god?
i love himesh ❤
How is everything in so much sync and interdependent? The ecology, the species living in it, the mountains, the vegetation there. everything is so much linked to each other. If one thing is messed up with the other automatically starts degrading. I wonder how everything is so connected?
Because the universe is a product of causation. Something causes other things. There's logic. Mountains have more trees because they get more rainwater and less habitat.
Because we have evolved through Natural Selection to be adapted to our environment. The species which survived were adapted best to the specific environment. When this changes, we may not survive, and other related organisms may not survive.
Indeed, There is a creator
The food doesn't get cooked automatically in kitchen
Indeed There is God
When we see a table which is such a simple things we don't say it wasn't created automatically from natural selections
When we see complex things like computers made by humans we do say it is created by humans then why not us , we are more complex creation
May Allah guide us all to the straight path not the heedless one
Next topic Nihilism 🥺
there are already many videos here about nihilism
Vimoh please react to Yoga of Love and how confidently he puts silly arguments🤌🏻😭
Have you heard some of Osho's thoughts and his philosophy? What do you think about it?
Hello sir because you are older thank for making such good argument . I learning to some good arguments
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Sir bigest fan
The biggest fan I ever saw was in Pune airport
@@vimohlivewhat did he do ?
@@Nickel287 Nothing. It was a giant ceiling fan.
@@vimohlive😂
@@vimohliveyou got me man
Vimoh's arguments usually boil down to him not 'seeing' something ... not very strong IMO
feel free to come talk to me on any saturday at 8 pm.
@@vimohlive Thank you again. Will try but prefer doing a 1-1 (or similar)... :)
Misleading rebuttal ... complexity implies inverse probability of something happening on its own. If something doesn't come into effect on its own, there is an external effector ...
@@romibengali huh?
Sure, as long as you don't insist that the "external effector" is a god.
@@PramodKumar-gy8lb let's not call it god .. but accepting that there is an external factor is progress. This is good.
@@mhmmdmz Everything we see around us has external factors involved in their creation. I have no reason to believe otherwise and I am also comfortable with the idea that there are things out there that I will never know about.
Your patronizing tone indicates that somehow we would reach a god conclusion by going down a road of reason. Reason never takes you there. There's always a fallacy in the arguments when anyone reaches a conclusion about a god and it is not that difficult to spot.
@@PramodKumar-gy8lb - patronizing? - in any case, the idea is the belief in an external creator is the most rational and plausible explanation to our present observations. What's the fallacy in that argument (If one were to overcome the bias of the popular definitions of God... ).
Bhai hindi me bolo , south asian hindi samjhte hai english nahi
bhai poora south asia uttar pradesh nahi hai. I talk to people in the language they use. Why would I talk to an English speaker in Hindi?
Vaah. "South" asian hi keh diya. "दक्षिण एशियाई" nahi mila tha sanskaari shudh Hindi main. Tamil channel pe bhi jaake bolna chahiye "bhai south asian hindi samajthe hai, tamil nahin". Par voh jaake nahin karoge. Sirf english baat karne vaale channel pe aakar karoge.
Does language matter if the recipient understands it?
The question was in English, and Vimoh responded in English. Nothing wrong with that. And Hindi is not a sole representative language of South Asia. There are also other great languages like Urdu, Tamil, Telugu and many others.
Sorry sir, I'm fluent in Hindi, but f*** Hindi.
tf u mean, i don't speak hindi lol