Something you say really sticks out for me: Working with TdM, you don't have to flip over a card with a scary or threatening image and deal with the querent's reaction. You basically start an energetic ping-pong match with the querent getting worried, and you try to read that fear, and then the querent is wondering what you're thinking, etc. I haven't even started with tarot, but this is one of the big problems I have with the idea of a card reading. I don't see how it's appropriate or ethical to use a client's emotions and energy this way. If the reader has good intuitive skills, it should not be necessary to provoke this kind of reaction in order to make progress throughout the reading. It is the reader's job to deal with difficult signs and challenging energies, and to translate this into useful information. For this reason, I think a deck should either give very little information by way of pictures and words, or it should be very abstract so that the querent won't be able to understand from quickly looking at the cards. (Small example: I know that many RWS users defend the death card by saying that "well, it doesn't necessary mean death, just change or transformation, or..." But hold on, why do you need to give the energetic blueprint for the most extreme case, and then backpedal? Already you shift the nature of the reading when, in the context of the spread, it might be something completely different. At least in TdM, this card has a more humorous and softer quality.)
I suppose for some people a skeleton will always be scary. The darker and solemn cards are in the deck to warn us about problems in our/querent's lives. But I agree - I can see many problems in fairly abstract pips that the querent won't realize are there, because there are no people.
Thank you for sharing this! I'm currently switching from RWS to TdM and I totally agree with you. For me the best way to learn TDM is to forget RWS :D And it's quite difficult as I spent so much time trying to memorize each RWS picture... ;) :)
Thank you so much, your videos on tarot de Marseille were part of the biggest influences that made me look at this system with a fresh eye and actually try using these cards. I was amazed at how the system unfolded before me and made total sense! I'm addicted )))
Thank you for sharing your tips on learning Marseille Tarot. I want to get into Marseille/Pip decks to help free up what the pip cards can mean when reading with them. Elle's video was great. Marseille meanings seem to be vastly different from RWS. It's definitely something to unlearn when switching systems. Yes! Context is everything with TdM. Jodorowsky-Camoin is my learning TdM deck. I feel pip decks force us to use our creativity by the patterns of each of them.
Yes, you're right, not only the specific meanings are to be unlearned, but also the mechanism we use to interpret cards. It's a very different territory, but fascinating and liberating :)
I just started to that journey myself . I put on my video last week that I got the CBD Tarot and Tom Benjamins book. Great video thanks for sharing. Love and Light ❤️🙏
Bonjour, I am French, from the south, near Marseille (a pure Mediterranean mixture). Wanting to discover what my Anglo-Saxon friends thought of the Tarot (they use, for the most part the Wait-rider) I discovered your video, with great pleasure. I study the Tarot and I can confirm that the most complex, the deepest, the most subtle, is the Tarot of Marseilles, the real, the older. His initiation, his practice, requires time, concentration, work. But did it not come from a time when the value of study and work was high? Tdm is the best tool to elevate your mind and that of your consultants. I subscribe to your channel and will use your videos to improve my English. Greeting from Provence, Cyril
Thank you so much for your kind words! I agree, TdM is a fascinating and amazing deck! I'm from Poland and certainly Rider-Waite is the most popular one these days, but TdM is also quite well known. I put all my TdM videos on one playlist on my channel, if you'd like to check them out :)
@@wolfofcoins Of course. In this regard, I am collecting the maximum amount of information on minor arcana; do you know an author who studies this subject especially?
@@cyrilbenet3086 I don't know anyone who focuses only on the Minors, however you'll surely find studies of the Minors in books by Alejandro Jodorowsky, Yoav Ben-Dov or Camellia Elias :)
@@wolfofcoins Sometime, Jododorowsky it is too vague in its explanation of minor arcanes; he speaks for say nothing - although I appreciate the character very much, He taught me a lot. I heard a lot of good from Yoav Ben-Dov and I hesitated to buy a book from Camelia Elias (this hesitation betrayed an attraction, so I will be bold and approach Madame Elias kindly). Thank for your time. Cyril
I also switched this way. I dedicates myself 100% only to Marseille and this system without any rws meanings behind the cards. I'm in love with this system and I'm practicing the open reading. I really feel like Marseille will teach me a more genuine way of reading ♡
Have you tried or considered the tattoo tarot - ink to intuition deck? I am a big rider waite reader and collector but this is the first mariseille one i have purchased and i love it.
Thank you for the suggestion! I don't own this deck, but from what I've seen on the Internet it does look pretty! It's actually not a Marseille style deck :)
@@LoLOwooding Hi! Yes, absolutely! I made a whole video explaining the difference between a regular pip deck and TdM :) th-cam.com/video/0DzoucfasGM/w-d-xo.html
@@wolfofcoins That's kind of a summary of what I hear in this video... Its not about memorizing meanings but interpreting the cards (a different thing)
So the 10 of sword and swords in general I can't see any other way in them representing thoughts that sprout from ego. That's we I think the 10 is relevant in letting those thoughts die or in the Marseille be completed. I would consider the 9 of swords more problematic because just over the fact that attaining revelation in thought is much more liberating than it is oppressive and constricting. The 3 of swords just means sacrifice for me, sacrifice of creativity (the heart) sacrificed by the brain, nothing to do with romantic dilemmas.
@@wolfofcoins would you suggest swords being seen as truth rather than thought? Swords does symbolically represent truth of thought than thought itself. I think I know what you mean.
im new to Tarot, recently bought RWS and just love the design. have been having an interesting time trying to use them, and i feel I can be quite free in finding creative ways to interpret a 'scary' card. However i don't know if i'm really doing it correctly. I wanted to ask if it is the opinion of the general community that they don't work? or do you beleive RWS can be used for divination ?
Great! I do not know why so many people use the WR deck. The figures on the minor arcana limits the interpretation. Marselhe deck is classic and GREAT.
It was an e-mail course and if you wish to learn with him, you need to send him an e-mail or a message on Facebook. If you follow his page on FB, you will see when he announces a start of a course. If you're interested in a video course, I'm just working on one, will be announcing it on my channel :)
Something you say really sticks out for me: Working with TdM, you don't have to flip over a card with a scary or threatening image and deal with the querent's reaction. You basically start an energetic ping-pong match with the querent getting worried, and you try to read that fear, and then the querent is wondering what you're thinking, etc. I haven't even started with tarot, but this is one of the big problems I have with the idea of a card reading. I don't see how it's appropriate or ethical to use a client's emotions and energy this way. If the reader has good intuitive skills, it should not be necessary to provoke this kind of reaction in order to make progress throughout the reading. It is the reader's job to deal with difficult signs and challenging energies, and to translate this into useful information. For this reason, I think a deck should either give very little information by way of pictures and words, or it should be very abstract so that the querent won't be able to understand from quickly looking at the cards. (Small example: I know that many RWS users defend the death card by saying that "well, it doesn't necessary mean death, just change or transformation, or..." But hold on, why do you need to give the energetic blueprint for the most extreme case, and then backpedal? Already you shift the nature of the reading when, in the context of the spread, it might be something completely different. At least in TdM, this card has a more humorous and softer quality.)
I suppose for some people a skeleton will always be scary. The darker and solemn cards are in the deck to warn us about problems in our/querent's lives. But I agree - I can see many problems in fairly abstract pips that the querent won't realize are there, because there are no people.
Great video on the comparison between the two decks!
Thank you! :)
Thank you for sharing this! I'm currently switching from RWS to TdM and I totally agree with you. For me the best way to learn TDM is to forget RWS :D And it's quite difficult as I spent so much time trying to memorize each RWS picture... ;) :)
I agree. RWS meanings can actually fuck up the freedom pips give you :)
Yes, you still have those scenes from RWS in your brain, but once you work with TdM longer, you start reacting to those images only :)
Thank you so much, your videos on tarot de Marseille were part of the biggest influences that made me look at this system with a fresh eye and actually try using these cards. I was amazed at how the system unfolded before me and made total sense! I'm addicted )))
Wow, that's wonderful to hear! Thank you! :)
Thank you for sharing your tips on learning Marseille Tarot. I want to get into Marseille/Pip decks to help free up what the pip cards can mean when reading with them. Elle's video was great. Marseille meanings seem to be vastly different from RWS. It's definitely something to unlearn when switching systems. Yes! Context is everything with TdM. Jodorowsky-Camoin is my learning TdM deck. I feel pip decks force us to use our creativity by the patterns of each of them.
Yes, you're right, not only the specific meanings are to be unlearned, but also the mechanism we use to interpret cards. It's a very different territory, but fascinating and liberating :)
Marseille is the definitive Tarot deck.
Thank you for this. I found the same as you, that to forget the RWS meanings to concentrate on the Marseille was very helpful for me also.
Yes, I felt like if I stayed with the RWS, I wouldn't be able to form my own way of reading the pips!
I just started to that journey myself . I put on my video last week that I got the CBD Tarot and Tom Benjamins book. Great video thanks for sharing. Love and Light ❤️🙏
Thank you so much! Best of luck on the TdM path! :)
I can’t wait for more of this topic!! I really want to learn Marseille.
Miss Chiff If you have any specific questions, please let me know! :)
I'm new to exploring Tarot de Marseille (TdM) and pips, so this was interesting to me ... thanks for sharing :-)
Great, I wish you everything best on your TdM journey! :))
Bonjour, I am French, from the south, near Marseille (a pure Mediterranean mixture).
Wanting to discover what my Anglo-Saxon friends thought of the Tarot (they use, for the most part the Wait-rider) I discovered your video, with great pleasure.
I study the Tarot and I can confirm that the most complex, the deepest, the most subtle, is the Tarot of Marseilles, the real, the older.
His initiation, his practice, requires time, concentration, work. But did it not come from a time when the value of study and work was high? Tdm is the best tool to elevate your mind and that of your consultants.
I subscribe to your channel and will use your videos to improve my English.
Greeting from Provence,
Cyril
Thank you so much for your kind words! I agree, TdM is a fascinating and amazing deck! I'm from Poland and certainly Rider-Waite is the most popular one these days, but TdM is also quite well known.
I put all my TdM videos on one playlist on my channel, if you'd like to check them out :)
@@wolfofcoins Of course. In this regard, I am collecting the maximum amount of information on minor arcana; do you know an author who studies this subject especially?
@@cyrilbenet3086 I don't know anyone who focuses only on the Minors, however you'll surely find studies of the Minors in books by Alejandro Jodorowsky, Yoav Ben-Dov or Camellia Elias :)
@@wolfofcoins Sometime, Jododorowsky it is too vague in its explanation of minor arcanes; he speaks for say nothing - although I appreciate the character very much, He taught me a lot.
I heard a lot of good from Yoav Ben-Dov and I hesitated to buy a book from Camelia Elias (this hesitation betrayed an attraction, so I will be bold and approach Madame Elias kindly).
Thank for your time.
Cyril
I also switched this way. I dedicates myself 100% only to Marseille and this system without any rws meanings behind the cards. I'm in love with this system and I'm practicing the open reading. I really feel like Marseille will teach me a more genuine way of reading ♡
Yes, it really opens up your mind, doesn't it? :) Our brains show us things in dreams, visual things - and I think cards speak the same language.
Great information for those who want to start with Marseilles / pips after RWS.. :) Love your gentle energy too
Empathic Tarot Thank you so much! 😊❤️
I see this with the RWS deck. The pip card imagery is too specific in it's interpretation of, for example, a 4 or a 7, or whatever.
Even though the Marseille is centuries old, the patters remind me of the 60's/70's
Some of Marseille decks (e.g. Jean Dodal) remind me of Picasso, LOL :D
@@wolfofcoins I can see that!!
He's just an old copy cat. Lol
@@ultravioletpisces3666 xD
Thanks a lot for that video, I’m late to the party, but I would like to explore other tarot traditions and your video is so helpful
Thank you! :) Yes, the world of tarot is very broad, it's so fascinating to learn about different traditions!
Have you tried or considered the tattoo tarot - ink to intuition deck? I am a big rider waite reader and collector but this is the first mariseille one i have purchased and i love it.
Thank you for the suggestion! I don't own this deck, but from what I've seen on the Internet it does look pretty! It's actually not a Marseille style deck :)
@@LoLOwooding Hi! Yes, absolutely! I made a whole video explaining the difference between a regular pip deck and TdM :) th-cam.com/video/0DzoucfasGM/w-d-xo.html
TBH I memorized the images of the RWS tarot and nicknamed all the cards (including court cards) to learn the pips
I always say "If it works for you, go for it!" :)
Could you tell me the name of the RWS deck shown in your thumbnail? It's beautiful.
It's the Alexander Daniloff Tarot :)
@@wolfofcoins Thank you 🙏🏾
Step one: cards don't have *meanings* they have your *interpretations*
Stop asking yourself, What does this card mean? Just interpret them... ;)
I've been thinking this for a while so i guess Marseille is for me!!
@@ultravioletpisces3666 That's great that you've found a system for yourself! Marseille is awesome! 😊♥️
@@wolfofcoins
That's kind of a summary of what I hear in this video... Its not about memorizing meanings but interpreting the cards (a different thing)
@@ultravioletpisces3666 Yes, I'm not a fan of "card meanings", I prefer to look what the cards are showing me :)
So the 10 of sword and swords in general I can't see any other way in them representing thoughts that sprout from ego. That's we I think the 10 is relevant in letting those thoughts die or in the Marseille be completed. I would consider the 9 of swords more problematic because just over the fact that attaining revelation in thought is much more liberating than it is oppressive and constricting. The 3 of swords just means sacrifice for me, sacrifice of creativity (the heart) sacrificed by the brain, nothing to do with romantic dilemmas.
Yes, our brains can do a lot of damage to us! But cutting through that poisonous fog with a sharp sword can be very liberating :)
@@wolfofcoins would you suggest swords being seen as truth rather than thought? Swords does symbolically represent truth of thought than thought itself. I think I know what you mean.
@@djsdrumming Context is everything for me these days, do I don't really have fixed meanings for the suits 🤔
im new to Tarot, recently bought RWS and just love the design. have been having an interesting time trying to use them, and i feel I can be quite free in finding creative ways to interpret a 'scary' card. However i don't know if i'm really doing it correctly. I wanted to ask if it is the opinion of the general community that they don't work? or do you beleive RWS can be used for divination ?
Most people agree they very much work and so do I! You can use any deck of cards for divination, it's just a matter of practice, I think :)
@@wolfofcoins ok cool - i was more referring to their effectiveness in contrast to Marseilles
everyone has a video about leaving RWS and going to Marseilles.
@@cmanpatrick I think it depends more on the reader, less on the tool, to be honest :) + how much work you put into practice.
Great! I do not know why so many people use the WR deck. The figures on the minor arcana limits the interpretation. Marselhe deck is classic and GREAT.
Thank you! I really love the Marseille, haha! These are two systems that are related, but pretty different, so I suppose it depends on the preference.
Hi, May I ask the name of the deck (8 of swords card )?
It's the Alexander Daniloff Tarot :)
@@wolfofcoins Thank you!
Sì ma alla fine non dici niente, qualche consiglio?
Hi! Would you please point me to Enrique Henriquez course?
It was an e-mail course and if you wish to learn with him, you need to send him an e-mail or a message on Facebook. If you follow his page on FB, you will see when he announces a start of a course.
If you're interested in a video course, I'm just working on one, will be announcing it on my channel :)