Lake Huron Sinkholes | Great Lakes Now
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- In 2001, mysterious sinkholes were discovered in northern Lake Huron. They’ve attracted researchers from around the world. But how much water comes through the sinkholes? What role do they play in determining how lake levels rise and fall? That’s what Steve Ruberg's, observing systems researcher with NOAA’s Great Lakes Environmental Research Laboratory research team is trying to find out.
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Amazing!! Thank you for your reporting!!!
There's some awesome diving up in Alpena. Incredible clarity and wrecks everywhere.
Awesome, awesome video. Those drone shots over the sinkhole were spectacular too.
I lived in Michigan when I was young and would do a whole bunch of fishing there. Best fishing I ever done did.
I also learned about Lake Huron's sinkholes from the children's book, "The Day the Great Lakes Drained Away". Great basic information, even for adults! (But aren't all the best kid's books good for stimulating thoughts for everyone?)
One of the most beautiful great lakes to swim in.
Yup, but wait until 3 PM in 29 C, sunny weather, and find some sandy shallows!
At least top 5
Awesome video, always awesome to learn something new about the Great Lakes!
Not long enough. You guys should do more Documentaries.
Sink holes are so fascinating to see & to dive safely in.
Interesting...just wish they included a full aerial view of the sinkholes.
I wonder if you can see them from Google Earth
He looks and sounds like Adam Savage from the Mythbusters show
I was thinking mark Hamell 😂
Totally a version of him that never got into movie magic or busting myths
That's what nerds look like
@@getchasome6230
😁
@@rhino447attack That's what I was thinking lol
Growing up in Flint, Michigan and being an avid Fisherman it's only natural that I would be interested in the Great Lakes water and environmental conditions. The video was only 7:32 but very interesting though. I would enjoy viewing more of your videos and your research on these topics. I thank you for sharing, this deserves more but all I can leave is a 'Thumbs up', a click on the bell, a subscription, and hope I will see more of your works (fun). ;^))
I live on Lake Huron, I love it and found videos like this so interesting and exciting to watch. The Lake inspired me to go into environmental studies. NOAA is such an amazing organization. It kind of suck that it's based in the states since I am Canadian but WOW it looks like an amazing job!
Hi ... if and when you complete your studies I beg that you prevent any oil/gas lines from running through these majestic bodies of water.
So you are a fish??
@@aerofpv2109 There is already a pipeline. I think it needs to be replaced...
@@yks-vn3wv Also, no I am not a fish. Sorry.
@@aerofpv2109 Here is some Info I copied off the internet about the pipeline. Its not in the great lakes but will affect them if something goes wrong.
Website 1:
Enbridge Line 5 is a major oil pipeline in the Enbridge Lakehead System, which conveys petroleum from western Canada to eastern Canada via the Great Lakes states. Line 5 is particularly notable for passing under the environmentally sensitive Straits of Mackinac, which connect Lake Michigan to Lake Huron.
Website 2:
Every day, nearly 23 million gallons of oil flow through two aging pipelines in the heart of the Great Lakes, just 1.5 miles west of the Mackinac Bridge. This is also the Enbridge Line 5 pipeline.
Great video. Thanks!
Glad you liked it!
Lake Huron roll, Superior sings in the rooms of her ice water mansion.
Old Michigan steams like a young man's dreams,
The islands and bays are for sportsmen;
And farther below, Lake Ontario
Takes in what Lake Erie can send her
there is an incredible sci-fi/monster movie somewhere in this....
Piranha...and its sequels.
Something about underwater caves sealed shut, earthquake, divers, gore.
SyFy will probably have one soon. I mean they did one about the Mongolian Death Worm, and Sharknadoes
Freighters depend on these guys! They cannot fill their hulls till they hear from these guys, so critical to the shipping industry.
How does the shipping industry apply this data? Are they measuring water levels that would allow them to calculate depth, and then they have a better idea how heavily they can load the hulls?
Beautiful!
I live in Alpena. We have sink holes inland too around here, some are sinkhole lakes.
I have seen a few, very interesting
Lmao the part where Eugene Levy and John Candy were standing on the bridge and he dropped his clarinet in the river. 😆
Very interesting indeed!! Cheers Team
Thank you so much Jay!
Florida sits on karst rock too, which is why we have so many sinkholes. Didnt realize karst went up to Lk. Huron. Cool
it's why the Corvette Museum got that massive hole in it too.
The Great Lakes literally kick major a s s
I have never been to the Great Lakes, but recently have been wanting to go very bad. Watched rock hunters find some cool rocks around Michigan and Superior
Accept man's need to take and leave thing they thought not worth taking back!
Literally? Maybe figuratively… 😂😂
@@kateapple1 look at the list of ships and lives lost to the Great Lakes. I would say Literally kicks people and vessels asses.
@@kateapple1 The Great Lakes literally activate and even generate storm systems.
People complain about the costs of scientific research. Just look at the level of expense on this one project. To do it right they not only need everything on that ship, but the expertise of its crew and those on land outfitting and maintaining it. This is the why. Please support the sciences.
I can’t tell if you’re being serious or throwing shade… lol
Nice underwater video, but I would like to see more under water shots.
I have 3 sink holes on my 40 acre property approximately 20 miles inland from Alabaster, Michigan. They grow about 5 inches deeper every year and about 3" in diameter.
Sucks
@@brivnliveslife6109 sucks are different than sinkholes, but they both are caused by water moving through sediment.
I live on the shores of Lake Michigan. I love Lake Michigan.
Invite me over?
Wish you could have shown a graphic map.
Is there any concern about a hole opening into the salt mines below the basin?
Going all the way back to elementary school to when we first started asking about the possibility of lake water seepage and hence flowing into the salt mines we've always been told "Oh, no. That could never happen." Without any explanation or reason why it can not. So my answer to your question is of course. The large hole in the ground will eventually be filled in be it by lake water or what is now dry lands, leaving a large depression and environmental change. Might be a few hundred years from now but I think it'll happen.
@@reefsroost696 what fi.....now bare with me....they fill the mines up with concrete
@@randomrazr lol those tunnels go for miles and miles.. millions of tons of salt are mined from it each year.. pretty sure concrete isn't a fix.
@@lushpaw1 refill the areas with dirt when they complete a section? i dunno lol. all these mines get used, then abandoned
@@randomrazr good point. There should be some kind of filler
Not sure how much it will help freighters, I am interested in the different ecotype within the hole compared to the surrounding area.
The difference in water levels is the difference between whether a freighter crashes on the rocks or makes it to its destination in one piece.
... Wow. This was more exciting than *MONSTERQUEST.*
This is awesome just subbed
fascinating!
Tell me... what would happen if one of the multiple salt mines under the lake punched a hole though? ....I bet the lake would drop quite a bit...
Nope, The great lakes system is one of the largest water systems in the world. It wouldn't even register something like that. The one that happened in Louisiana is a good reference point for this. It was way smaller, so there was an initial drop, but the lake there is now bigger than it was prior. The mid-western water basin is quite resilient, but it is also way larger than we even know.
NEVER EVER let Flint water into the lake!!!!
How about fixing Flint's water crisis?
The Great Lakes were SO POLLUTED that you could not drink them since the '70s. Their health is a bit better now (since a lot of Industry no longer dumps effluent into them), but Flint's water was probably SAFER than drinking untreated water from the shallower Great Lakes (at least until lately).
Come on people, think. Flint was pulling water from the Flint River which empties into Lake Huron. Also using a river as a source of drinking water can be very difficult because of frequent changes in water quality. Many cities have been using the great lakes for their source of drinking water and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.
Homefront-
Flint's water was pulled from the river and sent through a normal filtration process. It was no different than the tap water that you drink except for one thing. They went cheap and did not add trisodium phosphate to the water.
So why was this a problem?
Trisodium phosphate is an additive that keeps water from leaching metals from the pipes as it acts as an anti corrosive. Water hates to be purified and will absorb minerals or metals from piping if TSP is not added. That is what happened in Flint Michigan. The water flowed through the normal pipes after it left the water mains under the streets and leached the lead and other metals from the piping that led into the homes. The lack of TSP caused the pipes to corrode.
If you have an RO water system in your home and purify your drinking water (especially if you run it through a DI cartridge) when you drink that water you are actually leaching valuable minerals out of your bones. You should add some type of mineral or vitamin to your water to balance it before you drink it.Trisodium Phosphate is quite common and has multiple applications. Check the ingredients listing on processed foods that you eat, you will most likely see it listed near the bottom.
@@bsdguy its been fixed
It is a very interesting topic and research, but I have a question, where does the groundwater come from? is it just a result of the rains?
I enjoyed that.
Im really curious how they notice the sinkhole in the first place? Was it a dramatic event that we can see on land ?
I see the boat was called "storm" in Finnish, that means "Tuisku". In Lake Superior on the Canadian side is called Thunder Bay.
“We want to be very accurate so we can save shipping companies money” said no self-respecting scientist ever
My heart sank to the bottom of the lake when he said that.
Hope the shipping companies are 100% funding the research.
@@walrus4046 I hope so too, I actually don’t have a problem with industry funding scientific research as long as all the data is published afterwards
@@shmeli "I actually don't have a problem with industry funding scientific research ,,,,,"
assuming they are not paying for a specific outcome that favors them.
Science demands Accuracy? LoL Especially not when we are now witnessing that polar ice samples are proving manmade global warming research is off by an exponent of ten! And because this information doesn't fit the narrative, it's not being as vigorously published or accepted. Just dismissed. Science of late is ignoring data when the data doesn't fit the preconceived notions. Funny, science did this before.... when proving the earth was not flat or when the Earth was not the center of the universe.
More than likely just playing the game. He is smart.
I thought Thunder Bay was next to Lake Superior not Lake Huron.
Cool 😎💪👍
Not a thing anyone can do about it. It has been occurring since the creation of the Great Lakes.
I wouldnt be surprised if that's how the great lakes were made
I love how they have so much water. I'm in LA, so if there's any water to be found, we take it!
And that's why you should stay there and ruin that state
@@ThillerKillerX Merry Christmas?
When we get sinkholes in Florida we lose lakes. And houses. And highways.
And the occasional person..
I miss the lakes swimming is fun there very cold, awesome fishing to. 🇨🇦😷
This is like custos assignment when he was diving lower lake Huron then he lost some gear and it washed up in lake ontario
off topic but i really like the colour grading for this video😩
Well I'll be damned. That IS some special colour grading. Some cinematic colour grading indeed.
@@complexobjects It is just too cold and green. Colorless mess. How the hell do you find that beneficial? Attractive? No. Adds realism or presence? Nop.
Nerds.
I get it now .. how the folk stories talked about being swallowed by the sea but it was just sink holes
How heavy was the dot?
Years ago, I planted what we in west Illinois call creeping charlie to hold the land. Perhaps some official will drive to that place and observe if the land is still being held by the creeping charlie is still holding the land.
for scientists, you used a lot of speculation in your narration
Interesting.
Pretty sure any water entering the lake isn't needed to be known to determine lake water levels. You just measure the water height.
Would talk more about how your research affects freighters? I really enjoyed the video.
Water levels in Huron have a direct impact on flow through the St Clair River and through the St Clair flats (Lake St Clair). The shipping channel through the flats is the shallowest portion of the entire Great Lakes shipping channel system, that's the limiting factor on how heavy the boats can be loaded.
@@otm646 thanks for the reply. I worked on luxery yachts and medium sized ships for many years doing underwater maintence and repairs as a diver. The governing bodies do beach restoration in my area every number of years and it has wreaked havoc on the intercoastal water ways. Yachts and ships are running their props aground causing svere damage to the props and sail boats are running their keels aground during lowtides. While its very profitable for my business its not a good issue overall for the the industry and yacht owners. Channel markers are usless in some areas and need to be moved or boat traffic should be rerouted which is a huge costly inconvinence.
Cool
Oh no there's water getting into the lake!
Robert King and what?
@@tvojslauf , there is a symbiotic relationship between the ground water and the lake water, from aquifers and these sinkholes that can predict flooding and events surrounding the great lakes. Seeing as that has been concerning many of the larger cities in North America, like Chicago, Toronto, Detroit, Cincinnati, as well as smaller cities like Milwaukee, Buffalo, and Rochester, that's one way of looking at its usefulness. The other is the tradeoff in pollutants, fertilizers and toxic substances which impact our drinking water and the lakes ecosystem. This data can help pinpoint how far inland does our human activity have this tradeoff effect. I'm sure there are other ways we haven't even begun to understand from a hydrologic standpoint, and this information has major impact in the way we govern over major and minor infrastructure interests, and pass laws concerning our use of water. There is a lot of money tied up in water treatment, well digging, sewage treatment, polution control, boating, recreation, transportation, and a host of other smaller concerns.
Doesn't seem like a hard question to answer is the water level going up or down
How deep are the sinkholes?
Are you serious you are finding water in the lake
Sweet
Spring fed Lake !
I live in Michigan and our choice of swimming is Lake Huron at the very tip of the thumb. And growing up we swam, boating and water-skiing in Lake st. Clair which is a tiny little lake just about at where the thumb begins. This is some scary shit manard
The Thumb???? Oh my goodness.. I just looked up the map...I will never unsee that. Wow, that's crazy!!!!
@@danielledouglas99 Yes, Michigan is a mitten!
haha, I wouldn’t call Lake St. Clair tiny or little! It just has some enormous neighbors.
I hated seeing the sinkhole swallow up whole houses in Land O Lakes Florida. Very scary. Even today there’s still a pond of water😱
0:44 -- This guy looks like Mark Hamill.
Lake Heron is trying to repair it self. Those invasive muscles are hurting the lake and now it found a way to restore it.
Never saw a sinkhole I didn't like!
WE LIVED ON LAKE ERIE FOR 20 YEARS....IT IS THE SHALLOWEST OF THE GREAT LKES!!
THOSE DAMN MUSCLES...CLEANED UP THE WATER...BUT BECAME A HORRIBLE PROBLEM!!!
THEY CAME IN ON SHIPS ........THROUGH THE ST. LAWRENCE SEAWAY.!!!!!
Came from France
Tiger Steele Lake Erie is shallower
@@catman8670 He said Lk Erie
@@mikeb1039 and biden says whatever he is told to say but usually fucks it up
But the surface is level
Flat Earth Proof ! 😀
Lo siento El agua es plana!
Good fishing holes I bet
Is the ground water fresh or salt water? Pointing out that the ground water doesn't mix with the lake water implies that the waters are different. How are the waters different?
wow
1:58 Crew Introductions
4:53 Continue
Theyre not sink holes, theyre expansion sites or ground water termination points.
Do you got an hardhat w/ a sticker on it? Huh? Huh???? Nothing signals 'science' like a hardhat & stickers.... Prolly got steel toed sneakers too.
They are sinkholes formed by collapsed limestone caves. All the bedrock of the lower peninsula and most of the UP is limestone the caves were collapsed by the glaciers. There are dozens if not hundreds from Alpena across to lake Michigan up to the bridge. Some are still pristine limestone ruble holes. Others are filled with sand and resemble shallow bowls. Most are filled and we're only identified by satellite images. Then too many are lakes, some are connected by underground rivers to lake Huron!
@@jamessebela3236 Yup, under ground rivers and water termination points. Just like I said. Not sink holes.
@@offplanetevent I studied Michigan geology, they are sink holes.
@@jamessebela3236 I personally studied the Great Lakes. They are not sink holes. Where is the evidence on land for these "sink holes" unless your studies ceased at the water lines as they exist today.
ohhhhh i just realized that guy reminds me of Adam Savage a little bit hahaha
Yeah, the oldest water sheds on earth. The finger lakes, and the sheds that feed Manhattan. That's why the stone Blue Blue is found on the interior into Pennsylvania outside of the Catskill mountains. Oldest places on the earth
That tall red headed drink of water is HAWT 😍
No SALT & NO SHARKS
This explains the flooding and sinkholes linked around the USA
So are sink holes good or bad?
they get paid either way so......yeah!
Are trees good or bad?
Are mountains good or bad?
What is the purpose of a tree? sinkhole? mountain? flower?
Oddly enough, Under lake Huron is also where they have been mining salt since the late 1800's to this very day.
Goderich Ontario is home to a huuuge salt mine under Lake Huron.
Kinda scary to find out the results. Our ground water can’t be very good for our lakes considering the amount of contamination we put into our soil. Lake Huron is my favorite lake to swim.
if you're a democrat EVERYTHING is scary
Ridiculous.
@@edstimator1 such an ignorant response
La erosión nunca sé va a arreglar con poner piedras en la orilla del mar tan sólo la posterga lo impostergable.
How can these form so far away from land?
We're waiting for the research to hopefully start back up this summer - we'll be checking in with the scientists and will report that answer when we do!
I was with you all the way until the end when you revealed that the whole reason for this inquiry was to aid the freighter industry.
Gotta get your funding from somewhere
It sounded like a flimsy rationalization to justify funding this very cool research!
Well if the research they are doing may be useful in prevent an accident involving a freighter, that would seem to be a worthwhile reason to do research, since an accident would likely be an environmental nightmare.
Who’s Kyle Beadle? My God 🤩 😛
Could you stop by and say hi to the SnowDogs?
They’re called “underground springs.” That’s how most lakes in my area are fed. Nothing special and nothing exciting
invasive quagga mussels
The quagga mussel is a species of freshwater mussel, an aquatic bivalve mollusk in the family Dreissenidae. It has an average life span of 3 to 5 years. It is indigenous to the Dnieper River drainage of Ukraine. Wikipedia
Well..... is there any fish? Asking for a friend 🎣
Is this the same as sinkhole De mayo??????
You're giving us ideas for May 5th...
Why is this research valuable?
because taxpayers pay for it....someone is getting rich....to them..it's "valuable"
They can begin to understand how much groundwater plays a part in Lake levels. Geologic, shipping concerns. It's a cool project.
Isn't that Canada's lake? I know we share the big ones and Michigan is pretty much ours, but Huron is pretty much Canadian territory
It's 50-50.
Do ya think there will ever be a war over these immense basins of fresh water?
Yes
I guess they haven’t heard of Bluetooth and gps.
Nautical Mark Hamill
I know where there are several sinkholes on land up there but they're not talk about
400,000,000,000, years old? Right.
why?
No way in hell not me