The AE86 came with a digital speedometer in Japan when the cars were first manufactured. If you notice, Keiichi's speedo is a little different, and you can see his reflection in the camera view of it.
holy shit, this is the BEST segment of racing that i've ever seen come out of best motoring/hot version. going 3 wide on the back straight was unbelievable! i've never seen that on tsukuba before. although, the way the S2000 was able to pass on the outside during the last corner makes me think he was holding back. there is no other logical explanation for that extreme increase in cornering speed.
Today's Honda will not be able to afford to build a racing car of the past. Automakers around the world are in the same situation in this regard. Even at that time, it was wonderful to make such a wonderful car.
god I love the s2k, took outside lines on a wet coarse and still came out with a win. can't wait to get mine but I'll enjoy my k20 del sol till the spring ;-)
Exactly. The 16V 4AGEs came out with estimated 125hp. Those VTECs are all 170 + atleast. I really doubt any of those 4AGEs are anywhere near the power of those VTECs. Unless each of them happened to have formula atlantic or N2 spec engines. Highly doubt.
Oh, thanks bro... i totally forgot about these ;) Not to mention that a Window is also some kind of door... So its a 11 door in the end... (I have no idea why they call it 3 door in germany.. but they do.)
that makes sense. i was wondering why it looked like the s2000 speedo, but couldn't figure out why his 86 had one. i just figured it was weird lighting that made the 86 speedo look different. i would've kept the 4A
@Sleepe00 Braking/acceleration control. People always seem to miss that the pedals aren't on/off switches. I can't tell you how many times I've seen people run off the road over-accelerating/braking... lol
late braking technique and outside take over. The driver knew how to use the s2000 quick and depended on the outside then super inside for fast corner exit.
Yes, AWD will tend to understeer, and RWD will tend to oversteer. That has almost no bearing on how fast they can corner, it's just a characteristic of the drivetrain. A Nissan GTR is often described as having understeer, but it generates the same lateral G's as porsches, ferraris, mclarens etc. Understeer just means you're reaching the limit of the cars cornering ability, it says nothing about where that limit is. You only have to look to time attack to see that AWD is faster in the corners.
AWD is normally quicker to 60. There aren't many cases when rwd will beat awd drive 60 and I have never heard of fwd beating awd to 60. My s2000 clutch has been slipping since I bought it, but I can still pull 5.5-6 second 0-60's.
@dualCranKy ironically before I drove a civic I always to myself they are crap that's it I realised after I drove one that they are good cars easy to drive and simple I prefer the EK I don't know wich one's gonna be the fastest one to me it's the EG because it looks lighter but I don't know could be an interesting test to do
I have yet to see a backfire off the line for boost...I like both personally, But I do like the freedom of boost you get with a turbo. I will never use a super charger for anything.
Show's how much you know about automotive...Anti-lagg aka backfire is only during shifting; holding the gas pedal down at a certain rpm will not murder anything. Some turbo users implement a small turbo to spool up the bigger one so they get the instant boost like you would get from a super charger but with out the parasitic effect a super charger brings.
anyone know what tires the s2k was using the last turn he took on the outside with high speed in the rain in a car that's known for oversteer that was amazing, and he isn't a guy that is in battles like tsuchiya and orido.
@hugonubario The ep2 isnt even that bad.. its even really good.... im serious. But upgrades cost way too much... So, which one would be faster... eg k20, or ek k20? I dont like the rear bumper of both
Im so glad the DC2 didnt win! It was soo slow in the corners towards the final laps.. He was blocking all the cars then rocketing out on the back straight.. The S2000 got the win from LAST place, goes to show the cornering/braking potential!
i seen a plenty ae86 vs vtec battles....in this vid,, rain was your track advantage lol...sorry to burst some bubbles..lol ... all ways love to watch honda vs toyota battles....
one of the 86's actually has the s2k setup in it. so its balanced out. remember, this is a race between tuned cars, and theyre japanese. theyre likely to downtune to make the race fair on that aspect.otherwise its no fun for them!
You can't just downtune a modern 2.0lt with 240 factory horsepower to be equal with a 1983 1.6lt that is producing 180hp at its absolute limit as a race motor. Now if they had GT-86s out there, that would be a real comparison because the horsepower gap isnt so huge. The S2000 still has more power, but the 86 has the more modern chassis. Should make for a good race if anyone ever organises it.
considering the 86 is waay older than any cars it raced against, it also had the smallest engine
hahahahahahahaha
But it has high torque at low speed, that makes it fast at turns
Keiichi comes in like, "what are you noobs up to?"
integra be like "dude were a team bro!!" xD
DAT S200 was amazing, overtaking on the outside with so much more grip.
The AE86 came with a digital speedometer in Japan when the cars were first manufactured. If you notice, Keiichi's speedo is a little different, and you can see his reflection in the camera view of it.
holy shit, this is the BEST segment of racing that i've ever seen come out of best motoring/hot version. going 3 wide on the back straight was unbelievable! i've never seen that on tsukuba before. although, the way the S2000 was able to pass on the outside during the last corner makes me think he was holding back. there is no other logical explanation for that extreme increase in cornering speed.
wooaaah amazing overtake at the end from the s2k!!!!
interesting. i can see him being into that, having an s2000 powered 86 would be lots of fun and a perfect balance of power.
Ah the good old Hondas... How I miss them. Modern Hondas are such garbage,
the old owner of Honda was intent to build a greatest racing car but now they only try to make some money.
Today's Honda will not be able to afford to build a racing car of the past. Automakers around the world are in the same situation in this regard. Even at that time, it was wonderful to make such a wonderful car.
god I love the s2k, took outside lines on a wet coarse and still came out with a win. can't wait to get mine but I'll enjoy my k20 del sol till the spring ;-)
oh wow! awesome driving in the S2000!
I never expect this: a dc2 going fast as a s2000
interesting!
Exactly. The 16V 4AGEs came out with estimated 125hp. Those VTECs are all 170 + atleast. I really doubt any of those 4AGEs are anywhere near the power of those VTECs. Unless each of them happened to have formula atlantic or N2 spec engines. Highly doubt.
Would have loved to watch this on a dry track!
*Cool Vibrations*
Oh, thanks bro... i totally forgot about these ;)
Not to mention that a Window is also some kind of door...
So its a 11 door in the end...
(I have no idea why they call it 3 door in germany.. but they do.)
did anyone realize how short were the shifters on the EG6 sooo cool...
Insane last corner move in the Amuse S2000!!!
that makes sense. i was wondering why it looked like the s2000 speedo, but couldn't figure out why his 86 had one. i just figured it was weird lighting that made the 86 speedo look different. i would've kept the 4A
Knowing all the conditions of your car give you all the things you need to win the race..
and that's why I LOVE the S2000... passed on the outside on the final lap to take the win. best. car. ever.
They did produce the new hachi roku, although it is basicly a suby with toyota chassis settings and a pretty name.
omg, beautiful win for the S2000
@Sleepe00
Braking/acceleration control. People always seem to miss that the pedals aren't on/off switches. I can't tell you how many times I've seen people run off the road over-accelerating/braking... lol
So many laps, so much vtec, so much rain and not a SINGLE scratch. Japanese drivers FTW.
Beautiful race XD
the s2000 was beast! especially how it overtook the type r
nice videos mate.....
the S2000 is amazing! how did he bring out so much grip in the final corner...
even with it censored I still knew it had to be tsuchiya rolling up in the ae86 coupe lol
Maybe because if you'd payed any attention at all or read the description you'd realize that that particular AE86 had a F20C in it.
looks like they where having fun!
@dualCranKy I say hatchback for handling and weight if it's for daily drive you can go even for a 4 doors
10:10, A wild S2000 appeared!
@dualCranKy I don't know but
I know that the ek9 is not fast enough to keep with a integra gsr not enough torque on it
Ae86=drifting beast
Vtec= power
woow what an epic race s2000 finally got it at the last corner
The problem is that Toyota has not produced a serious sports car in a long time. I'm a Honda fan, but the AE86 is beast
passing on the outside lane is bad ass!!
@mirandooj But is the Hatchback also faster than the 2-door coupe?
@hugonubario Im actually wondering what i should get...
At the very moment i have an civic ep2, but its way too slow.
What should i get?
Ek?
Eg?
足回りの決まったアミューズS２０００しびれた。雨の中、アクセルを踏み込める仕上がりに完敗ですね。スポーツドライビングの楽しさは1.6〜2000ccくらいが面白いですね。バイクでゆう400ccのような感覚で、クロスミッションでブンブン回す楽しみ。大排気量やターボのように、ビックトルクで下から吹ける、楽しみとは違う味わい。どちらもアリです。
(Last Lap) "The boy don't have the balls to pass me on the outside!" （゜◇゜） no wayyy...
what a move !
That AE86 with s2000 engine should be in the vtec club LOL
I would love that some of these guys teach me how to become a pilot.
S2000 driver did brilliant performance!!!
late braking technique and outside take over. The driver knew how to use the s2000 quick and depended on the outside then super inside for fast corner exit.
The cars have been tuned, so don't worry about that. All the cars is in the same class in terms of HP. The AE86 weight is less than the S2000..
@hugonubario And what would be better? coupe, or hatchback?
Yes, AWD will tend to understeer, and RWD will tend to oversteer. That has almost no bearing on how fast they can corner, it's just a characteristic of the drivetrain. A Nissan GTR is often described as having understeer, but it generates the same lateral G's as porsches, ferraris, mclarens etc. Understeer just means you're reaching the limit of the cars cornering ability, it says nothing about where that limit is. You only have to look to time attack to see that AWD is faster in the corners.
People need to stop hating on the vtec, it's the people who drive them that are usually pricks, the cars are fine.
nevermind I saw the bridgestone potenza re540's but I can't believe the grip they have in wet, I wonder how they do in light snow?
@hugonubario but there are also 3 door coupe's...
Vtec 4 ever!!
that was some good entertainment
I miss the days when i used to have a DC2...
What do you have now?
Dang sickest race lol
Damn that DC2 revs like a Cbr...
AWD is normally quicker to 60. There aren't many cases when rwd will beat awd drive 60 and I have never heard of fwd beating awd to 60. My s2000 clutch has been slipping since I bought it, but I can still pull 5.5-6 second 0-60's.
beautiful takeover by S2000
@hugonubario I mean the k20 swap one...
@dualCranKy sorry my bad! in europe they have other civic so I thought we didn't talking about the same cars!
Serious adrenalin rush
@dualCranKy ironically before I drove a civic I always to myself they are crap that's it
I realised after I drove one that they are good cars easy to drive and simple
I prefer the EK
I don't know wich one's gonna be the fastest one to me it's the EG because it looks lighter but I don't know
could be an interesting test to do
Yes, even the 94-99 gt4's.
Orido : Over-steer?? I like it..
I think you mean to say, power doesn't matter. Balance and handling does.
That niqqa in the S2k is BADASS
Integra's rev is OVER 9000 !!!!!
great race. i like to see the touge version of this. i think the ae86 have the upper hand on touge battle
I have yet to see a backfire off the line for boost...I like both personally, But I do like the freedom of boost you get with a turbo. I will never use a super charger for anything.
it'd be awesome if there's subtitle
fuck I love tskuba, you just know what corner is next and see how they'll take it
Show's how much you know about automotive...Anti-lagg aka backfire is only during shifting; holding the gas pedal down at a certain rpm will not murder anything. Some turbo users implement a small turbo to spool up the bigger one so they get the instant boost like you would get from a super charger but with out the parasitic effect a super charger brings.
anyone know what tires the s2k was using the last turn he took on the outside with high speed in the rain in a car that's known for oversteer that was amazing, and he isn't a guy that is in battles like tsuchiya and orido.
@hugonubario The ep2 isnt even that bad.. its even really good.... im serious.
But upgrades cost way too much...
So, which one would be faster...
eg k20, or ek k20?
I dont like the rear bumper of both
@dualCranKy Most probably, just consider the hatchback's weight :D It's lighter.
i love this video
dc2 is my dream !
@dualCranKy I don't where you come from
but here we have 4 doors 2 doors coupe and the hatchback
Vtec club ftw!!! I wanted tsuchiya's vtec hachi roku hybrid to win, though, so that both vtec and ae86 could be the winners. Lol
Anybody know the noise the EG was making at 6:51? I've never heard it before.
why does tsuchiya-san laugh when he passes drivers? ahahah
so excite
@hugonubario I wonder how fast the ek9 would ve been....
Lol they do not swap Sr or Rb into a AE they usually keep it 4age turbo or 3sgte swaps itbs or F20 for lightness on a light body
how much power are they running?
man that dc2 revs high
s2000 out of no where!
love vtec forever!
Im so glad the DC2 didnt win! It was soo slow in the corners towards the final laps.. He was blocking all the cars then rocketing out on the back straight.. The S2000 got the win from LAST place, goes to show the cornering/braking potential!
i seen a plenty ae86 vs vtec battles....in this vid,, rain was your track advantage lol...sorry to burst some bubbles..lol ... all ways love to watch honda vs toyota battles....
Id like to see more of that hot staff f20c powered ae86 when its not raining
so which club is the f20c ae86 in?
cool
story
bro
one of the 86's actually has the s2k setup in it. so its balanced out. remember, this is a race between tuned cars, and theyre japanese. theyre likely to downtune to make the race fair on that aspect.otherwise its no fun for them!
10:29 fukin NICE PASS!
You can't just downtune a modern 2.0lt with 240 factory horsepower to be equal with a 1983 1.6lt that is producing 180hp at its absolute limit as a race motor.
Now if they had GT-86s out there, that would be a real comparison because the horsepower gap isnt so huge. The S2000 still has more power, but the 86 has the more modern chassis. Should make for a good race if anyone ever organises it.
S2000 kicks ass
Hell yea
+Oscar Radikoro S2K driver took his brave pills just before that final corner, what a pass!