Cities Aren't Loud: Cars Are Loud
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Urban noise is a common problem, and the vast majority of it is created by motor vehicles. Noise is far too often dismissed as a minor nuisance, rather than the legitimate health issue that it is.
The book "Curbing Traffic" has a chapter about the health impacts of noise pollution. I explore the research in the book, and visit Delft, the city that is highlighted in the book as being a shining example of what can happen when noise pollution is taken seriously.
This video explores the problem that farting cars, farting motorcycles, and farting mopeds create in our cities.
Curbing Traffic
Melissa & Chris Bruntlett
www.modacitylife.com/curbing-t...
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Guidelines for Community Noise
World Health Organization
www.who.int/docstore/peh/nois...
Environmental noise
European Environment Agency
www.eea.europa.eu/airs/2018/e...
Burden of disease from environmental noise
Quantification of healthy life years lost in Europe
www.who.int/quantifying_ehimp...
Calculate decibel level changes
Sengpiel Audio
www.sengpielaudio.com/calculat...
Cairo ranked second noisiest city in the world
egyptindependent.com/cairo-ra....
Getting Around in Egypt #4: Cairo by Taxi
Chris Naunton (TH-cam/CC BY)
• Getting Around in Egyp...
NOISE LEVELS AND THE SOURCES OF NOISE POLLUTION IN KARACHI
Journal of the Pakistan Medical Association
jpma.org.pk/article-details/5583
Karachi in 5 minutes
Kashan Ilyas (TH-cam/CC BY)
• Karachi in 5 minutes
The Adverse Effects of Environmental Noise Exposure on Oxidative Stress and Cardiovascular Risk
Antioxid Redox Signal
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...
The Environmental Quality of City Streets: The Residents' Viewpoint
Journal of the American Institute of Planners (Volume 38, 1972 - Issue 2)
www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/1...
books.google.nl/books?id=11Jt...
Weg Geluidhinder
www.infomil.nl/vaste-onderdel...
Phoenixstraat in Delft, 2004
By M.Minderhoud - Own work, CC BY-SA 3.0
commons.wikimedia.org/w/index...
Delft Markt 1970s
Serc
fotos.serc.nl/zuid-holland/del...
fotos.serc.nl/zuid-holland/del...
Results of the King Street Transit Pilot
www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2...
Experimental Study for Estimating Capacity of Cycle Lanes
www.sciencedirect.com/science...
NACTO - Designing to Move People
nacto.org/publication/transit...
Amsterdam Geluidskaart (Noise Map)
maps.amsterdam.nl/geluid/
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Chapters
0:00 Intro
0:13 Cities are loud
0:36 The noise problem
1:33 Health implications of noise
2:43 How drivers create noise
3:21 Urban noise is not inevitable
4:08 Travel to Delft
4:51 Delft is really quiet
6:01 Reducing car traffic
7:02 Getting away from the noise
7:37 How cars create noise
8:12 Slow the cars
8:33 Quiet asphalt
9:24 Soundproofing
9:39 Delft summary & returning to Amsterdam
10:09 Measuring bicycle noise
11:05 Measuring car noise
11:20 Measuring moped noise
12:00 Measuring motorcycle noise
13:03 Electric vehicles
14:21 Moving people quietly
15:19 Why do we allow this?
15:47 What Amsterdam does about noise
16:17 Final thoughts
16:35 Patreon shout-out
16:47 Outro
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Curbing Traffic is a great book, and I can definitely recommend it:
www.modacitylife.com/curbing-traffic
Noise pollution is only one chapter of the book. The rest is filled with so many other reasons why we need fewer cars in our cities.
It would be nice if you put the imperial units on screen
@@jacob8565 You mean Nepers?
hey, regarding the loud pipes in motorcycles (the most controversial topic regarding noise and motorcycles imho), that myth is kinda debunked. I read an article a few weeks back that shows no correlation between "loud pipes" and saving lives. As a motorcyclist myself, I always argue about that when someone brings it up. If I find the link to it, I will edit this comment to add it. Love the videos, cheers.
Edit: could not find the link to the study itself, but found a yt video, that might be from the same people, not sure, but it shows the results of the tests:
th-cam.com/video/v9QTPyMJGgo/w-d-xo.html
I grew up in the old south neighbourhood in London Ontario, not far from Commissioners road. I remember the students at my Elementary school who lived on commissioners road said that they couldn't sleep well at night during the early fall and spring because the street is so busy.
@@jacob8565 I think American dBa's have already been multiplied by 2.54
"Car Horns should be just as loud on the inside of the car than the outside". YES. I've been saying this forever. Such a simple change that would remove *so* much needless honking.
Even better: the first honk in a period is half volume, and it increases every time. 😉
While we’re at it, can we also ban car alarms? I feel like they go off by accident so often that most people associate the noise with ‘clumsy car owner’ instead of ‘car theft in progress’
When I was a kid and a car alarm would go off nearby, my mother would yell, "HURRY UP AND STEAL IT ALREADY!"
They should be TWICE as loud inside for the Dutch who visit a friend and 'must' honk their horn when leaving, which the majority do.
AND, three times as loud when they do that when I am taking a nap. (I'm old, deal with it)
Not literally as loud. But as loud for the passengers as the people outside hear it. That would be good enough
You might honestly be the greatest tourism ad for the Netherlands.
Tourism? I want to bloody live there, not just visit now!
Not so much tourism, but immigration.
However, with rising sea levels, the days of the Dutch will be over eventually.
@@GenericUrbanism Yes, does someone really believe that the Duch officials never thought about an eventual level sea rise?
This guy makes me want to live in the Netherlands, and I already live there
@@pocketdynamo5787 haha. The Netherlands has actually grown in size in the last 50 years.
The most astounding thing to me, which made me genuinely tear up a bit, was when you walked out of the train station and instead of seeing a parking lot, it opens straight to a sidewalk of sorts. Never in my american life have I seen anything of the sort
haha outside of the mainstation of my hometown (basel), we have tons of trams and buses. as much as i know, our train station is only connected to the public transport, and not to the normal traffic
th-cam.com/video/vxWjtpzCIfA/w-d-xo.html
Thats pretty normal in European cities tho, especially if the station is an old historic building.
@@NoGoodHandlesComingToMind But to be fair, NYC and DC are sort of the exceptions and his „American life“ is probably more representative of how most Americans live.
Any city with a decent subway system has this in the US.
I always thought I disliked Warsaw, until I got a pair of noise-reducing headphones and suddenly walking in the city was amazing, I actually thought to myself this city is nice. I think noise pollution is a major contributor to how much we do not enjoy our cities.
Warszawa? Personally I feel like there is decent amount of underground tunnels and "alternate roads" (smaller side roads or parks) you can walk through and avoid traffic/noise quite well. It's a city you need to know well to get to enjoy the best of. Poland is doing semi good work at diverting traffic away from city center. All kinds of cobblestone streets and 10km/h limits, (Warsaw is building new bridges and motorways 10km away from the city so less cars would need to pass through), building sound barriers etc. but obviously there is more work to do as always. I fucking love the city and I'm looking forward to the future.
But if you meant the Warsaw in USA, then my heart goes out for you.
Yes the city is absolutely infested with cars unfortunately and all the new infrastructure and buildings only serve cars and do not at all consider cyclists or pedestrians
@@Vjilmlllooiiiojol There’s a Warshav in the USA 🤦🏻♀️
@@matematicarka Yeah I know, I said so at the end.
@@Vjilmlllooiiiojol I know you know, I just can't believe they have so many names of cities from Europe. I can already hear an american tourist in Poland saying "oh you have too? Is it named after ours?"
"This man said that a cycle path would spoil the village-like atmosphere of Chiswick, but it was hard to hear him over the roar of traffic." - Jay Foreman
I love the Grill Brothers.
th-cam.com/video/_DNNIB_PdaA/w-d-xo.html @ 2.47
"F*ck you Mrs Panhandle" I love his vids.
Map men map men
I am fairly certain rewatching all of Unfinished London a bunch brought NotJustBikes to my recommended page.
NJB if you're reading this you should 100% collab!
"But it's not THAT loud" "you just get used to it!"
Sir, that's because you've already gone deaf.
"what?"
"What did you say?"
HEY, NO NEED TO YELL, JUST SPEAK UP.
@@joestein6603 I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER MY MILITARY GRADE TINNITUS!
Same for my neighbour, the DJ. "It wasn't even that loud, I turned the music down"
This series has really opened my eyes to how far behind the USA is. The sad part is that it really could be so much better, and there are plenty of places to model from. No place is perfect, but quality of life is everything.
Spread this video to wake up the masses and start a revolution against car centric sprawl.
I think the mindset in the US is, "If we didn't come up with the idea, it can't be a good one.".
Which would help explain the lack of SO many programs, services, and quality of Life improvements here. . .
@@slate613 unfortunately, I tend to agree with you. The US ego that everything here is soooo much better is really holding the limitless potential back.
The previous generation of boomers ripped up a solid public transportation system and left us with a polluted world in almost every way. We went backwards, and now we are just trying to get back to where it was, and then go up from there.
@@gryphonsong4082 The Netherlands has given everyone a pretty good example of what can work IF other nations want to even try.
I remember one of the best things about lockdown was going outside in the middle of the day, and it was silent. Not just quiet, nothing was going on, made for very very pleasant walks
As someone who moved from Cairo, Egypt to a rural town in Minnesota, I can tell you that having low noise and clean air is worth so much more than people think.
Oh another Minnesotan pog
Hey welcome to town!
What a cool name
It's very cool that he talked of non western places
Seriously, I visited cairo and the egyptian museum while on vacation and I never had that much noise pollution and bad air. Glad it was only for a day. Buenos Aires was horrible aswell.
I don't think anything drives the point home quite as well as showing a cozy looking town square with people strolling about and sitting outside cafés only to cut to how it used to look 20 years ago when it was a bloody fricking car park lmao
Especially when you consider that the amount of people seen in this single shot of a mostly empty square are propably still greater than the total amount of people who used to be able to park their cars there.
@@ligametis people will always talk twice as loud as the environment. One can see this happening in bars when there aren’t a lot of folks in. People tend to talk normal. Then more people come in. The battle begins. The more people or background noise (the bar may in turn also turn up the volume) the louder people will talk. At the end of the evening people are shouting to each other.
@@safe-keeper1042
Yeah, but now imagine the same restaurant with the same people AND car traffic.
What is worse?
@@RustOnWheels Which is why sound absorption panels are a great idea -- if the noise around them stays low, people don't need to talk loud to hear each other.
Here in Vienna, turning one of the main shopping streets (Mariahilfer Straße) into a car free street was a major fight which cost the green party, who pushed for it lots of voters. I remember people on Facebook going insane over that. I usually put a link to an old picture of car free shopping streets that were established earlier - eg. Graben with lots of cars in the 60s into those discussions. And a rhetorical question like "remember when we fought over this?". Because nowadays, *nobody* can remember how bad those streets were and how people thought that turning them car free would be impossible. And nobody wants them back full of cars. In 20 years, nobody will want cars back on Mariahilfer Straße either.
Infuriatingly, I cannot hear what the silence is like because of traffic literally 20ft away from me right now
The one thing that shocked me most about Tokyo was just how quiet it would get in the city center. My family and I stayed at an AirBnB about 300 meters away from Shibuya Crossing, and we were amazed by how serenely quiet it was. You could never have guessed that the world's busiest intersection was just a short walk away.
"if you don't know what DbA is, look it up"
"manufactures have lobied against this for years because they're dicks"
*subscribes*
*dBA or dBa or dB(a)
To expand on why the d _has_ to be lower case: it's the SI prefix "deci", meaning one tenth. SI prefixes have a fixed case because sometimes the other case means something else. In this case, while not official, in some countries D is used for the SI prefix "deca", which means ten.
Well designing the tires only for in-city driving is kind of a waste tbh as they often travel between cities. So I can understand why you don't want to change the car for that.
@@captainchaos3667 Haha great answer. I see a lot of times people using m (milli) instead of M (as in Mega) to represent a million. For example, they write a 1 m€. Typically, you still know what they mean.
Even worse is that Facebook uses that a message has been sent 5m ago. I always wonder how it was sent 5 meters ago? The greatest thing is even that sometimes one source uses 'm' for minutes and 'm' for months to keep it easy.
It's not about manufacturers lobbying. How would they lobby against the entire world, every country? Huh? I'm actually baffled just trying to guess how he thinks that works, lol.
It's about the customer not wanting nor needing a tire that costs more, wears out faster, and has lower performance/safety. Probably ends up being worse for the environment too. There's a good reason for most things. But no, we like bikes and hate cars so let's just resort to name calling I guess. What an awful take.
I am a car enthusiast so yes, “me like car go vroom vroom” when I go to a racetrack or a car show. But in every day life, “me like quiet, shh shh”.
I used to hang with an auto enthusiast crowd. Its sad the entire subculture gets labelled by its loudest proponents.
Plenty of engineers and restorers will hopefully be vindicated when we become less reliant on everyone owning something almost no one understands.
@@zachweyrauch2988 I wish we had dedicated cycling roads in the United States like the Dutch do. I love cycling (because it is exercise but it is also like driving). I generally hate exercise because I don’t get an endorphin rush like many other people do. I just feel tired and sore. But I love cycling because it reminds me of driving which admittedly I love. I used to go on joyrides all the time when I got my license and first car. Cycling is like a joyride but trying to commute by bike where I live is dangerous. Especially at 4:30 AM (work starts at 6:00 for me).
@@thatcarguy1UZ Thats part of the problem with this video. People shouldnt be forced into desperation when they are willing to work harder for what they need instead of what we need for them.
For instance. When i was starting my career i was desperate for work (it was 2012) I took a job that seemed good based on the condition that i buy a car to commute. The job turned out to be an insurance scam and the place they sent me turned out to be a friend of the owner. (i didnt buy my car there) Either way i was now paying for a lemon i didnt need and had the ability to commute for years to awful temp jobs outside the suburban centre i lived in.
I would have biked somewhere for less pay and it could have meant the same net gain financially.
@@zachweyrauch2988 that’s yet another problem in this country. The infrastructure is unilaterally set up for automotive use only. It’s dangerous to cycle, and in many places public transportation is not available or is insufficient. There’s no reason why you should need a car to go about your day to day life. And I say this as an avid automotive enthusiast who loves to drive!
ME HAVE PEDAL! ME PUSH PEDAL DOWN! RAA
I love that you show the history as well. I never actually thought most of these countries ever had massive car usage issues. Seeing that massive parking lot turned into a walkable area proves it is insanely possible to fix these issues in the US. Looking at pictures and videos of other countries I have always wished we had those massive empty squares to walk and travel in instead of massive parking lots that are terrifying to walk through.
Parking lots are the least terrifying place in a city to walk. A narrow sidewalk is far worse, but thats not to say that cities should be filled with parking lots, I'm sure Manhattan would be much better off if they just banned all motor vehicles save deliveries to stores during certain times (maybe focus on weekdays while people should be working and not in the streets) and city vehicles (like buses and mass transit).
@@jasonreed7522 every time I enter a parking lot when walking the sidewalk ends, and then it's a free for all of asphalt with cars flying in every direction, not following the lanes, and cars backing out without looking
just remember: the difference between a nice open square and a parking lot is the amount of cars
@@jasonreed7522 then where does i-495 traffic go
We don't want your commie "fix". If You want the government to control the means of transportation you should move, bc Americans love our freedom
Note about the beginning of this video. For some (particularly neurodivergent individuals), you don't get "used to" the continuous sound; it actually gets worse. Those with sensory issues/disabilities (i.e., autism, auditory processing, ADHD) often are forced to wear ear protectors/mufflers just to function, and those aids become even more necessary in an urban environment. I personally know that I've had to put on some sort of noise blocker at volumes as low as 70 decibels, so living in a place like the city in Pakistan mentioned would be literal hell. It's not like people who live in the city always have a choice, either; commuting into the city for whatever reason may not be an option. Essentially, anyone, disabled or not, should not be forced to use aids in the place they live.
The conclusion is, when a Dutch city has a problem, they actually look at the source of the issue to resolve it, and when an American city has an issue, the usual response is something like “get gud noobs”
no, they blame the immigants
@@josabee6612 ah culture wars... why improve things when you can just make people feel it's other people's fault and they cannot do anything about it until "they" have been dealt with... then after spending egregious amounts of time/money/political capitol on said fake problem... they get voted out or get told it was fixed and they just never noticed it.
Ah yes ofcourse, that's why multiple 30+ year old "problems" haven't been solved to this day.
@@josabee6612 - Why are the streets so crowded with cars?
*Guy with a heavy texan accent*: Well let me tell ya a thing or two ‘bout those damn mexicans
@@LucasSantos-ss6ou I’m honestly sick of it. Living in North America is like living amongst a culture of griefers.
The grass between the tramrails are awesome! They not only reduce sound from the trams, it obviously looks better than asphalt, but also reduces the temperature on a hot day and soaks up lots of water on rainy days and even reduces dust in the air. The biggest reason that most tramrails don't have grass is because they're also used by other traffic, most importantly emergency vehicles like ambulances, police and fire trucks.
When I see those grassy tram lines, I think of North American tourists I’ve seen happily and obliviously walking in dedicated bicycle lanes while cyclists curse at them in unintelligible ‘European’, and I picture those same tourists setting out a picnic blanket to enjoy the nice grassy park that no one else seems to have discovered :p
Turns out that ambulances and fire trucks work *fine* on the sort of manicured grass you see between the tram tracks.
@@Superdoxin Was about to comment the same. I have driven an ambulance on grass tracks and it's actually a *smoother* ride in most places since it's *not* used by heavy road vehicles, so it doesn't have potholes or wheel ruts.
Also they're hard and costly to maintain. Grass grows really fast in the summer, especially if there's rain
@@Superdoxin not every construction of grass tracks works as an extra emergency lane.
the most important criterion is if the rails are elevated or sunk into the plane. There is a German wikipedia article on the different constructions of grass tracks, if you can work with that.
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rasengleis
My grandpa is blind and he hates electric cars because he cant hear them, but his solution was that he just thinks people should be able to walk places without worrying about being hit by a 2 ton mass of metal and plastic going at 30 mph. hes even an 80 year old american veteran whos reasonable enough to not defend fart cars
I live in such an UNBEARABLY noise polluted city that if I ever set foot in Delft and it's as silent as you describe, I'm gonna friggin kneel down and start crying from happiness
I once stopped at the edge of a wind farm on a main road to hear the outrageously loud noise critics said they cause. But all I could hear was traffic noise from the road!
i once stood right next to a running wind turbine and i couldn't hear a thing
The buffoons were hearing car noises and mistook them for turbine noises
yeah turbines are quiet as shit because they kept growing in diameter and slowing rotation speed you could stand under one and you wouldn't gear much noise
@@catalintimofti1117 I've been under other ones, they were not totally silent, but the noise went down quickly as you moved away. I have read though that a few percent of wind turbines are really quite loud where they operate in turbulent air. But the vast majority operate in smooth air and are quite unobtrusive.
@@BooBaddyBig newer ones are much quieter than older smaller ones but location matters as well
One of the cutest and most depressing things I've ever heard was when I was on a first date with a girl in NYC. We we're overlooking the Hudson and the parkway was below out of sight, she then turns and says to me "I sometimes think of that sound as if I'm at the beach and hear the waves crashing on the shores". In the moment I thought that it was incredibly cute, but later riding the train home I realized just how dystopian that sentence actually was. Cars suck, and continue to cause problems weather gas or electric.
That's like a quote straight out of a dystopian cyberpunk novel.
@@paulnadratowski3942 That's because the US sucks at regulating for bikes. Look at the video's Not Just Bikes has made about cycling in the Netherlands, where there are more bikes than people
Cars are cancer.
@@Lotjeloveslaika Great reply. That guy sounds so American that he was probably born at a McDoanlds.
But cars are necessary. It's so easy to say they are useless when you live in a big city. And as a big car enthusiast, I can tell you cars aren't just piece of steel made to bring you from point A to B
As someone with painfully sensitive ears, it infuriates me that tire manufacturers lobbied against the requirement of a modification that would be NEGLIGIBLE towards their dividends. That on top of the fact that the noise of cities and roads is actually optional.
Tires are already designed to reduce noies. But quieter tires are more expensive. And almost nobody is ready to pay a higher price for quieter tires, when only a few cities on a whole planet would have a law about that lower noise.
Best option is just to move that traffic out of the city in the first place, as well as slow it down within the city.
@@swisstraeng that's not the best option, that's a ridiculous naive UNLIKELY solution. The best solution is multiple small solutions that are feasible and realistic to implement that add up to combine a great change, like quieter tires.
Expecting traffic to only drive cars outside the city limits negates the entire purpose of cars to commute to work grocery etc. This channel shows how there no public transport even in cities that allows reliable commuting without a car in cities.
I think a good policy approach to this would be for a country to make a subsidy / tax benefit proportional to tire quietness (it's financially equivalent to adding adding an extra tax to louder tires, if the base tax is already defined considering this anyway). That gives manufacturers and tire sellers the financial incentive to use quieter tires. This should affect only vehicles intended to be used in urban areas, so 18-wheelers for example wouldn't be affected.
@@leandrog2785 tax his tears
You’re all missing one major point… cars need to make noise to alert pedestrians. That’s why there was a bit of controversy with electric cars a while back since they were so silent
I'm a huge car enthusiast, and I love driving and racing. BUT, I think it's awful how car dependant citys are and how loud they can be. Sure something like an old V8 muscle car or V10 Supercar can sound "cool" to some people, but it instantly stops becoming "cool" once it disturbs people who don't care. People don't want to hear your fart can Honda, bro. People with one child drive huge 7,000 Pound SUVs, and people with a .25 mile commute think they need a giant pickup truck just to get to work and back. I wish I could walk or bike to where I need to go, but I don't even have a sidewalk outside where I live. If I could use public transport and bikes to get around, then I could have a fun car for driving on the race track instead of needing a boring everday car just to get around. I would even like an small electric car like a VW E-Golf or BMW i3 for driving at rallycross and track day events if it helped reduce noise pollution, though I can't get one as I have absolutely no place to charge it. You can like cars but agree that they don't have to be required for existence in a city, and shouldn't be comically loud.
this guy needs to make a video about Americans liking to use full-size trucks as they would normal cars. Just picture 6 ford f150s carrying 6 people to a Starbucks
It's more comfy.
It's mostly obese people/ Southern to Mid-westerners who drive those as their daily. Look at the West Coast or New England and it's a much different story.
@@patrickpaterson8785 I'd say it's more people who do some sort of manual labor or trade-like work. And of course the West Coast and New England aren't gonna have as many trucks. If you live in the city you have less uses for a truck.
And if it's a Ford F150, those things have a higher pricetag than other pickups, so I understand why they use them as daily vehicles
This shit happens in California.
@@ZackP504 I don't live in a city, and 90% of the trucks in the parking lot where i work (office setting) don't have a speck of dirt on them or even a tow hitch in place. I totally get the people who need a truck for work or what not, but for most people they just have it in their head it's a status symbol.
"When you step out of the train in Delft, you're immediately struck by how quiet it is"
Blaring tinnitus: "its free real estate"
I'd rather calm my tinnitus with music or a podcast than blaring car horns. I couldn't stand to use the redline in Chicago because my stop was built in the middle of the highway and it hurt my ears to hear it.
@@jackveatch655 for sure, im just lamenting that i've lost the sound of silence
Whenever I get home to Germany and out of the train station where I get picked up, I am struck by how quiet it is. I can hear things I can’t hear all year when I’m in NYC. God these videos just make me so mad we haven’t done any serious restructuring for bikes in NYC yet. A couple painted lanes on the roads that everyone ignores, when we could take Park Ave and turn it into a 100% bike zone.
ironically tinnitus can (in some cases) occur from damage cause by exposure to loud noises
@@theblueclue3843 or by high stress and tension, as we just learned, can be caused by car noise 😅
I just want to take a moment and say that I so greatly appreciate you having subtitles on your videos. It means a lot that you take the time to put them in instead of using the terrible autogenerated ones
After growing up in a forest, then living in a handful of cities, I can tell you that city noise is my arch enemy.
everyone else: tries to be quiet in the morning
some dude with a 50cc scooter he got for 100€ on eBay: honey, hand me the loudest exhaust today, for I crave to embrace both this and the neighborhood next to us in the splendor of my engine's rhythmic ratteling.
don't forget about the big bore kit and removing all restrictions =)
@@dalegribble9101 I think this is a very American viewpoint. If you live in a city, you live in an apartment. Even if it's house/cottage it will be next to road. And not road to those houses, but actual road. So, it won't be one scooter... It will be a lot of them.
Also, never heard anyone mowing lawn at 8am. They start at 9am earliest in London :) Also, not people most likely, but agency who take care of everything for apartments.
I used to ride a big bore honda express when I lived in the city, and I shit you not, some mother fucker took a Tao Tao scooter and put a modified 100cc dirt bike engine on it. Loud as hell, six speeds, went 90mph, and popped wheelies EVERYWHERE. That thing was rowdy as hell and I kinda wanna build one
@@PovilasPanavas man I used to live across the street that from a dude that would mow his lawn at FOUR IN THE MORNING EVERY DAY. my 40 year old shitbox was open hear and idled at 130db and my neighbors complained out my "whip" less than they did his mowing. I went to work at 3pm
This may be why karma usually ensures motorcyclists become doners.
"The volume of a casual conversation is the level at which it starts getting annoying"
This video gets me.
When you think about it it makes complete sense.
You want to talk as loud as possible to ensure being heard as well as possible, but you don't want to be bothered by your own volume. So you tend to talk at a level just below that of annoyance.
Of course, other factors do matter a lot (for instance, we match other people's volume, and we also talk at varying volumes depending on our emotional state), but that's a pretty general factor that explains quite a bit
@@alexp6013 Depends of the location i guess. A casual conversation noise level in Spain can be pretty annoying.
You mentioned high volume sound triggering stress response, which I sort of recognized but was never fully aware of. Then you played the moped and farting motorcycle sounds and A) I knew they were coming because you announced them and B) I have control over the volume of my own headphones, and I could STILL feel my whole body tense up and my brain get super annoyed at both of them, it's actually incredible. I live in the Netherlands, I'm Dutch, lived here for my whole 27 year life, so I know that we do better than most countries, but holy heck the moped problem is REAL.
Great video, thanks so much for the deep dive and highlighting the places where it's done well!
I'm fairly certain that loud exhausts directly tranfer all stress from the driver (asshole) to everyone in range which can be litteral miles in the country. (It may not be as loud but a motorcycle banging off the limiter is still obnoxious when its the loudest distant sound even if its probably 55dBA for you)
its annoying but its not that bad you are just sensitive
@@kaz8103 maybe your standards are just too low.
@@kaz8103 noise is literally proven to be a major health issue so they are not too sensitive.
The sad thing is, they make electric mopeds and even motorcycles, but people want to hear that ugly noise for some reason.
I looked up the Biro mini car and OMG I want one! :D
I live in San Francisco and occasionally while I am walking outside I encounter the "farting motorcycle" which has been modified (or has a severe malfunction of some kind) to be as loud as it can possibly be. It's amazing that the sound can be deafening from ONE HUNDRED METERS AWAY. And then they often have a stereo blasting at maximum volume as well.
This guy is getting steadily sassier and sassier and I’m digging it
"The tire companies have lobbied for years against it because they're dicks!" lol l agree. His style is getting better as his ability to construct valid arguments increase.
Yesss!
These great videos, i want to show to my kids so they know what right looks like. But they feel violated when Dad shares a video that has language.
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i too am sick and tired of people not catching on
Watching this channel is both interesting and depressing because it constantly advertises a better way of life I'll never have.
You're very welcome to move to NL one day! Please just dont take your car with you like many expats do. Beware that our housing is small and inferior to many other countries.
Welcome to move to Brussels ;-)
Same... our country is like 50 years behind Netherlands, or any western country really. Suks to be an Europe ex-communist country... Also, here we don't even have proper roads for cars, let alone bikes (potholes are all over the cities).
as someone who lives in Brazil i want to cry haha
@@barkingdoggo3331 same
I live in the netherlands and the only noise i hear all day long is the huge freezer in my room LOL
btw its not that loud i barerly hear it, just at 2 am where every little sound sounds like a gun shot
When I was in New York City years ago right off Washington Square Park, we had to leave the windows open at night during the summer just to get some relief from the heat which also meant trying to sleep with all the noise that I'm just now realizing was probably 95% vehicle noise... And it's nonstop. This has got to be a factor in why New Yorkers who grew up in the city have a reputation for being so blunt, guarded, and impatient lol
The video where Mr. Not Just Bikes doesn’t hold back and releases all his feelings.
Vehicle noise really pisses me off, so ... yeah.
@@NotJustBikes you better never visit India
Especially Bangalore Delhi Mumbai if American city is unbearable for you then I can't even imagine your reaction in these cities.
@@NotJustBikes I absolutely _hate_ motorcycles and after-market modded car exhausts. I would love every one of those vehicles to be confiscated, crushed down to a cube and returned to their owners.
@@andrew20146 same. The motorcyclists in my area are intentionally obnoxious and if I could get away with it I'd slash all their tyres....
@@NotJustBikes Cars*
"Manufacturers have lobbied against this because they're dicks"
- Not Just Bikes 2021
Das kapital, Karl Marx
Where I live, some rich dudes get off on speeding their sports cars -between intersections and red lights that is. And in a city full of potholes. I think you have to be at an earlier stage of evolution or something in order to enjoy that. But you can't stop them, because freedom+money.
@@purpurina5663 cant stop them because it takes integrity to tame an asshole
I generally agree with NJB, but this is a bit too pithy a take. Tyre design is a tradeoff between durability, efficiency, grip, and noise. All of these get better as the designs improve over time, but making tyres significantly quieter on short notice will come at the cost of more fine particulates, more CO2, or reduced safely, to some extent.
@@breintje91 "the first to make these tyres more quiet while keeping the other properties the same gets a happy meal. Go!"
Last year, I've been on vacation in Amsterdam for two weeks and spent two days in Cologne before that. They're both cities of similar size in terms of population, but I found Cologne much more stressful than any place in Amsterdam and thanks to your video I can finally pinpoint why: Cologne was just fucking loud. In hindsight it's obvious...
Yeah he is generalizing a bit but that comes from a fact, that US cities contrast so much to Europe cities in terms of car centric design. While as a person living in Warsaw in Poland I hate some parts of this city I definitely love that it isn't that loud and walking or cycling is possible pretty much everywhere and is a better choice to just cycle to work then to use car or public transportation.
I have lived in Delft for 18 years but I never payed attention to the noise, but now that I think about it, it's indeed very silent
My neighbor has an e-snorfiets, and the most noise it makes is the chirp when the console starts up. It's kind of a miracle.
That sounds nice. My neighbour has a farting snorfiets. It sucks.
Ours put glass pack mufflers (noise increasing) on his hot rod. I hate North America.
Ebikes here. My problem is my roommate.. He is.. LOUD! At the end of the street i can hear him, and my room is right next to his, the wall between us.. a thin funer plate. At the same time, he hates it, when im snoring, so... 1:1.
I want to like e-scooters. But the ideer of people just dropping them everywhere and drunk people using them. I think it will get better, but people need to get use to using them properly
@@GreenLarsen I like to point out that this is not an escooter issue... This is an asshole issue and esooters are not always a rent scooter...
As a car enthusiast who enjoys how loud cars can be there definitely is a time and place. As much as I love motor sports, most everything I need to do in my city can be done by bike and really wish more American cities were bike friendly.
The best argument I’ve seen is that fewer cars means more fun for motorists who can actually enjoy their drives
And the best thing is butterfly valves for the exhaust, loud when doing pulls, no drone and noise pollution whilst travelling
@@kalle5548 yes
Same. I love cars, but I also love to walk and to bike. My car loving probably stems from my earlier bike loving when a child 😭😭.
So that time and place is everywhere and when ever? Gotdamm noise makers piss me off.
It's weird, other worldly, when you go to somewhere that's outside in the open, yet truly silent. I've only experienced it a handful of times in my life. Dead of night, no cars, no chatter, no AC or machinery hum. But also you don't realise how omnipresent that distant cars and buildings hum is even seemingly far away from the roads; when it's actually gone, it's bliss. However, it gets weird when there's also no wind, no nighttime insect or animal noises, nor water, just silence.
Thank you! Noise pollution is an important issue. Every time I research noise pollution, I feel like we are all living in a normalized horror story.
I often sleep using ear defenders. It's uncomfortable, but better than the noise of cars. It would be amazing to live somewhere where ear defenders are less necessary.
If u haven't already, check out silicone ear plugs! They're are good insulators and way comfier
I am a motorcycle rider and I am sick and tired of telling other motorcycle riders that there are no studies that shows that loud exhaust saves lives. I hate loud motorcycles. Unfortunately I have not found a way to reduce noise but to move slower
I've read up on it a bit, and the OEM parts are usually the quietest. Electric motorcycles are getting a little better every couple years!
I can’t say I’ve seen any studies that loud bikes protect the rider on some way. But, in my town a biker dies at least once a week because drivers don’t pay enough attention. I would be scared to see how much worse it would be if they couldn’t hear them coming at all
Electric motorcycles do exist
@@jazz3799 So, that's at least 52 dead bikers per year in your town alone? That's almost as many as in all of Austria.
Also, I don't think those drivers did hear the bikes.
@@jazz3799 Sound moves in waves. With the engine and exhaust making noise and the bike moving forward, almost all of the noise is behind the bike. So... you can hear where the bike was. This isn't helpful in the 'noise that saves me on the bike'-case. In built up area's the waves crash into buildings and reflect making it difficult to actually locate the source of the noise, so that's also not helpful. In fact, if someone would make the case of 'loud pipes save lives' I tell them to mount the exhaust pipe the other way so it aims forward. At least it makes more sense that way. Somehow they always disagree.. (I ride motorcycles myself)
Considering that a horn is a warning signal only to be used in emergency situations I'd say it's quite ok that they are very loud. But there definitely should be some sort of mechanism to punish unjustified use of a car horn. Mark Rober once had the suggestion to add a second more casual horn.
I think doing both would be best
Add casual horn *and* make both the same volume inside as out
my 2012 Volt has casual horn and regular horn
I definitely like the idea of having the horn be obnoxiously loud in the cabin too. Would stop people from using the horn as an ersatz sonic weapon.
Realistically speaking, the people who use the horn improperly want it to be obnoxious, so i'm not too certain how much good a more casual horn would do.
Also it's quite easy to make the horn just as loud on the inside.
Put a window down.
What always gets me is that people will jump on their phones to make noise complaints about a small concert one night, or neighbors having an occasional gathering but don’t often think about the din of traffic
My last house was on a fairly busy street with a speed bump literally 20 feet from my bed. Also, there was a biker bar down the road. My mood increased DRASTICALLY when I moved to a different house. I HATE motorcycles in the city so much.
I was reading that here in Ontario the increasing popularity of cargo e- bikes is "problematic"..there is a discussion about regulating or banning them...What the hell?! These are the best car replacement.
I'm thinking of investing in one myself. I haven't owned a car in years and I hope it never happens again.
Only thing with those is they need to build secure e-bike parking. That way people can buy those instead of rent from Bird or whoever. Just only $1000 and parking would cost $100 per year probably, and doesn't require insurance. A dream vehicle.
We don't need to ban them, we need to improve the infrastructure they use.
@@swaggery why not require insurance?
@@aabb55777 Its illegal in Canada to sell ebikes that can go beyond a certain speed. I think that is a good law. THey should not be able to go faster than a reasonably fast peddle bike on a flat road. As far as I know the USA has no such speed limiters on their ebikes.
As someone with sensory dysfunction, cities are physically painful for me due to the noise. Delft sounds like paradise.
@@ronniefurbs Eh, maybe it's both. I appreciate the sentiment, but I definitely don't process loud noises or bright lights in the same way that an average person would.
@@eldritchteletubby9319 the average person is desensitized to the noise/light pollution. Humans are normally really sensitive to those things, just like all animals. I had a motorcycle in the past, and back then the noise & oncoming car lights didnt bother me. Now after 2-3 years without a motorcycle & without going to the city, i'm suppeeeer sensitive to noise & bright lights, so much that the noise literally scares me!
@Blondie even i get close to a heart attack if you put me in the middle of a big city 😂 in nature there arent many things happening at the same time, so yes its normal to be overwhelmed by the noises/lights
I think it's like a super power. If you're in the woods, you'll be able to pick up all kinds of sound.
You just made me realize why I prefer riding my bike through the side streets rather than the main one despite better bike paths, it's all because of the car noise.
I'm a Dutchie, but I live in a small town in a rural area where its so quiet you can hear your blood moving through the vessels in your ear, spoiled as I am I still think even Dutch cities are loud. I would probably be very miserable in any other city 😂
"Fake London" - gets me every time.
Too many Europeans were getting confused by him talking about growing up in London and showing pictures of London, Ontario (which decidedly does not look like real London despite being on the Thames).
Check it out the Fake Paris that exists here in Ontario! hahaha
I was born in the real London and grew up in the fake London and I can tell you that the fake London is definitely inferior to the real one.
Not to mention Fake Hallstadt in China. They rebuilt the austrian original without even asking. That's a rare case of real cultural "appropriation". Copying something because it looks exotic to you without understanding its real meaning.
I like to call it ‘the bad London’
this is what a developed country looks like
@@sys-administrator does your life revolve around drugs? Why does everybody think legalized drugs equals progress?
@@sys-administrator Progressive only means drugs to you? We are the first to legalize same sex marriage which is a much more important one then your drugs that a lot of people don't even care about.
We also rank number 5 in both the good country index and the free country index. We are top of the world together with New Zealand and the Nordic countries.
@@sys-administrator Okay? 3 negatives versus a hundred positives? Ofcourse no country is perfect and even the number ones have things missing that other countries have instead.
And that wealth inequality thing aint even true. I'm looking it up but can't find proof about how we do worse then the US. Don't make stuff up...
@@sys-administrator You should check out this video. He explains about how that research appears to be wrong. I can't post a link somehow so you have to copy this very long title; ''REALLY!? The Dutch Economy is the Most Unequal? - a Response to Economics Explained''
@@sys-administrator The costs for an ambulance are reimbursed from the basic insurance. Which you and i both have, (i may hope)
Great content.
I'm a motorcycle rider myself and absolutely hate loud exhausts.
In my opinion European mopeds are made loud by regulations, pushing under powered 50cc engines. The thing that drives me nuts is the ridiculous amount of 2stroke stinkers that roam around European cities. Thailand regulated those polluting things away decades ago.
That's made worse with CVT transmissions on scooters where you have no option but to rev the living 💩 out of them just to move.
Stepping up to a modern 4 stroke 100cc or more and using good baffles in exhaust systems, dramatically makes them quieter. When given a transmission with actual gears allowing you to shift early, then you're able to tick along at city speeds.
It's always shocking and refreshing to hear someone doing the math on dB correctly.
Loud streets are also hell if you’re autistic and sensitive to loud noises (like I dealt with living on one of Berlin‘s busiest streets for 4 months... or literally anywhere in America)
Absolutely true!
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I wear headphones even when I don't listen to music just to make any harsh noise, less painful.
yep that's me in a shitty carboard appartment near suburbia , hundreds of SUVs a day :(
All the buildings in Berlin seem to have awesome sound insulation. Close the (super thick and double-glazed) windows. Another factor about urban design that is WAY UNDERAPPRECIATED!! (You hear that NotJustBikes? Make a video about sound insulation in buildings! Also heat insulation)
10:43 "A group of cyclers riding and talking is about 65 Dba which is about as loud as a normal conversation" [..] "65 is about the level that is becoming irritating" Thank you for letting me finally find out why conversations are irritating!
Shhhhh. You are thinking too loud.
it's spelled dB(A)
(decibel, A-weighted)
@@dutchman7623 It's not just screaming, it's frequency as well.
reduce humans, get less conversation noise
As someone who is blind, I want quiet streets but I can’t have streets that are too quiet otherwise I can’t hear vehicles coming. Here in Australia we are trying to get the same legislation for electric cars and scooters because people with vision or hearing difficulties as well as the general public have had so many incidents. I love when I visit my Irish family, they live in the countryside and it’s just amazing to be able to not hear traffic constantly. When I come back to Sydney, for the first couple of weeks I can’t hear anything but the roads.
This is something that actually surprised the heck out of me when I studied abroad/taught English in Japan years ago. I grew up in the country for the most part, so I'm quite familiar with actual peace and quiet, but I have also spent a lot of time traveling and living in far louder urban spaces (Cincinnati, Columbus, NYC, DC, etc.). So when I arrived in Tokyo, Japan, I expected it to be just as noisy as say NYC...and it didn't really disappoint. It was still pretty loud. BUT!! The city in which my classmates and I were to settle and make home? It was truly amazing to me that Morioka, a city of around 300K people at the time could be so quiet, even during busy hours. And after hours, the city basically went to sleep. At about 9pm, everything but the bar/karaoke strip would shut down. Even light posts on the outskirts of town would dim or turn off, so even light pollution was heavily reduced. This made riding my bike 45 minutes home after a fun night out a bit treacherous, but dang was it nice and quiet, and you could actually see the full night's sky with the moon illuminating the local Mount Iwate. I haven't been there in a long time, but I imagine is still a very beautiful and generally enjoyable place to live.
You literally just blew my mind how silent the cities in the Netherlands are.
Also the beauty and how clean they were was so inviting. It is so charming to see a city I dreamed about for years.
It was literally, no joke, my dream to move to some small silent nearly no cars Italian or something city and just enjoy the life, the things you see in old movies were old people just go about their day and young people search for romance. Sounds clinche, but it has some weird charm to me.
And I felt this charm more so in this video then I ever did before.
I wish this is what the whole world looked like. Absolutely beautiful and inviting.
I am having tears in my eyes.
I have a feeling that the Netherlands will be a huge cultural, social and infrastructure powerhouse in the future :)
Dutch designs are already spreading to Canada and UK. They are investing in the exportation of their knowledge and experience.
Sounds like the Sehnsucht got to you :)
I cannot afford to live in Singapore but I spent a lot of time there and it is so wonderful to live peacefully without a car and enjoy a designed city…like Amsterdam…even Tokyo…is pleasant compared to any American City…we are hopeless barbarians and egocentric selfish…childish morons…..our Toys…show our lack of intelligence…only clever to make money.
@@rayn3038 I hate when people like you go on tirades based on stereotypes.
Italians love a moped, though
When visiting Venice back in 2018 one of the most surreal and enjoyable experiences was to simply walk in a city and not hear cars. It was so pleasant that it was almost dreamlike.
I'm from a quiet village in the netherlands and only after reading this I realised how venice was the only place in italy where I didn't actively notice how loud it was
Of course, walking in between hundreds of thousands of tourists to the point where Venice feels like Disneyland sort of lessened the enjoyable experience.
@@korenn9381 idk when I went to Venice I saw next to nobody, like it was just a quiet town in northern Italy like the rest of them
@@honema123456789 was that in the middle of, say, a pandemic?
Without lockdowns in the tourist season it's insanely busy.
@@korenn9381 no ofcourse not, it was just not during tourist season
15:36 I lost it, I fell off my chair and started laughing.
People who like loud engines have the maturity of children.
Electric mopeds have come a really long way. They’re everywhere here in Oslo, and they’re SO quiet.
Yeah, I watched a guy livestreaming himself in Taiwan, delivering food on an electric moped and that thing is so quiet, it starts beeping at low speeds to warn pedestrians. Its really impressive how quiet electric vehicles can get
I've tried several electric mopeds and realised that they aren't fast enough. Their max speed should be minimum 60kmh, otherwise cars tend to pass you In 50kmh zones and that's too dangerous.
@@NSR747 the stealth bomber b52 e bike can go 80km/h
@@azbgames6827 That costs around 10k usd which is crazy. Average monthly salary in my country is 1500 eur. And the stealth bomber is not road legal (lights, turn signals etc) and it would be A1 category bike which needs drivers licence, yearly MOT and insurance. If it has plates, it´s not allowed on bicycle lanes and pedestrian roads. So makes it kind of pointless for commuting. I loaned a FIIDO electric bicycle and it does better than electric moped i had. Also much safer to drive since i´m not using car lanes, but bicycle lanes.
They really need to ban petrol powered ones, at least new sales
Motorcyclist here. The noise = safe argument is bull**** IMO. The only way to be safe on a motorcycle is to assume nobody sees you, and act accordingly. Hoping that a screaming exhaust pipe will alert people is misguided. The sad truth is that highway speed wind around our helmets has probably deafened most of us, it's much louder than anything else.
Yes indeed, this great video made me aware of the noise induced hearing loss aspect, do check it out, it's worth sharing widely th-cam.com/video/ywTDiXMaUu8/w-d-xo.html
motorcyclist here, riding defensively/riding like you're invisible and a loud exhaust making you safer aren't mutually exclusive, when people say that a quiet bike = a more dangerous bike they're not saying "hurr durr i'm going to ride in a truck's blind spot and hope they can hear my loud exhaust", humans have several senses, hearing being one of them, a bike which is too quiet for other motorists to hear is more dangerous, am i saying that everyone needs to ride a harley to stay safe? of course not, louder doesn't automatically = safer, but there's a certain point that's reached when your vehicle becomes too quiet for other's on the road to hear your presence, we wear seatbelts in cars despite none of us planning on getting into a crash, because we want to be as safe as possible in the event of a crash, saying "you shouldn't have a loud bike to be heard because you should ride defensively" is like saying "you shouldn't wear a seatbelt because you shouldn't be crashing in the first place", having a loud bike protects you in the event when you might not be seen, things happen, you should ride defensively but there are going to be times when your exhaust saves your life in the event that another motorist inevitably doesn't see you, the exhaust is just another safety feature on top of everything else
@@emilycampbell6375 true, but there are a lot of people - the Harley crowd, the Duck crowd, etc - who use "loud pipes save lives" as cover for "look at me look at me look at me look at me".
@@emilycampbell6375 Do you think motorbikes should be allowed to make more noise than cars, because riders are more vulnerable?
Because by that logic drivers of small or very old cars should be allowed loud mufflers too. Also allowing bicycles to have a 100 dB stereo or noise generator while at it.
Your passive safety is your own responsibility. Putting yourself at risk by driving a motorbike or a Ford model T is your own choice. Others should not pay the price.
Don't get me wrong, I like the sound of a throbbing Harley, but being noted starts with wearing a high vis jacket. Do you wear one, may I ask?
@@STARDRIVE you clearly didn't read my comment fully so i don't see the point in responding to yours
My girlfriend and I are from Breda in the Netherlands, which is a pretty small city for U.S. standards (around 180.000 inhabitants). We went to Delft once for a day and we were pleasantly surprised with how the city was shaped. I'm very much into urban planning (especially by you and this channel) and I just fell in love with how the city looks.
It's still a possible place we want to move to once we can. It just feels like a smaller version of Amsterdam, but way more friendly to all the different types of transport. Like, even though Amsterdam is one of the international havens for cycling friendly street design, when you're from a smaller city or town in the Netherlands, it still feels very car-centric and sometimes crammed.
But Delft... Oh my, what a wonderful city that is. It has so much relevant historical places, it's pedestrian- and cycle-friendly, gives plenty of space to the car, but not too much and it's transit system is fine. It's a city shaped for a better future.
cars make people evil. i cannot be convinced otherwise, being a pedestrian and having drivers speed past you, honk right as they pass, rev their engines etc - whether they intend to actively hurt you or not - it shows that people are so unnaturally apathetic when driving it makes me livid. god i fucking hate cars and i hate how their noisiness has been normalized
I noticed myself getting stressed and anxious when doing the sound editing for this video, and my heart rate increased significantly. I had to take breaks every so often to chill out.
Ugggh ... fuck everything about loud vehicles. They suck.
+1. I did a recording once at 12 lanes road in Moscow and almost jumped off chair when I played the video at home in headphones.
Does the Netherlands have teenagers who buy Honda civics and put extra-loud mufflers on them to make them sound like race cars? Or did you get to leave that particular brand of stupid back in Canada?
Thankfully the souped-up cars are not a thing here. There are much stricter laws around vehicle noise in the Netherlands (even if we do still allow farting motorcycles).
@@NotJustBikes I disagree. Although illegal, there are even people who have those 'exploding' mufflers. Rotterdam even wants to install traffic camera's to comdat noisy vehicles: nos.nl/artikel/2382573-rotterdam-wil-flitspalen-voor-lawaaimakers-ontwikkelen
Wow njb swearing
As someone who lives in Delft, the mopeds are horrendous since everything else is so quiet XD
Many newer ones are electric luckily.
One thing i will never miss, the smell and noise of those small two-stroke engines. The petrol ones should be outlawed asap.
@@matekochkoch I hate those, they sound like a chainsaw strapped to q megaphone.
Mopeds are so much in quantities in East Asia... I really hates that, including in my country..
You are so right... if you listen to the traffic in Berlin.... the loudest things are the mopeds....and they STINK ! : (
When the video ended and i took my headphones off, the road outside feels like it's louder. I have never heard any of these arguments before. Why does nobody seem to talk about this
Because people have really been convinced that cars grant levels of individual freedom that can't be met by anything else and the harm they cause to anyone who isn't in one is worth it.
Unfortunately, the reason so many people drive into work, at least in many places in Canada, stems from unsustainably high housing prices and stagnant wages in major cities, so people need to live way outside of the cities where they work. There's no train/sub/etc infrastructure to get from outside the city to inside of it; it's just crappy roads. It sucks.
and that is cause of terrible zoning rules
When I stayed in Amsterdam a few years ago, the noisiest thing in the area was the bells at the Westerkerk. I'd trade car horns and revving engines for church bells any day.
For me bells make things epic but if its in slow tempo
We may have a mosque now too that gives you the minaret every day, and thank God i live on the other side of Amsterdam
@@TheKeystoneChannel minaret is the spire adhan is the call for prayet
Ah. A tram line and a bicycle path can carry as much people as 8 lane stroad or 3 times of the Vegas loops. This is just too funny
it could be so simple, but car must go vroom and public transport/biking is for poor people or something
Doesn't have rgb tho 0/10
Well yeah. A tram carries a LOT of people.
It truly is insane
That just sounds like a branding problem to me. We just need to call trams "hyperpods", stick some rbg lights on the sides and convince everyone that Elon Musk invented them. Of course any rudimentary amount of research would reveal that the idea is over a hundred years older than Musk himself, but when has that ever stopped the hype?
Since my accident with permanent hearing over sensitivity as a result, quit times are so much more appreciated.
Many cities are also mostly hard sound-reflecting surfaces. Adding some soft stuff (trees, grass, uneven road surfaces) can help a lot.
The 'noise' from cars is rushing air.
@@RideAcrossTheRiver Unless you're meaning that all sound is rushing air, car noise is mostly tire and engine noise. Though that's not really relevant to the sound absorbing properties of the surroundings.
@@chaos.corner Engine noise? Maybe in 1947. Public transit vehicles are far more noisy than cars. Probably 110 dB in a subway station and diesel electric buses have no emissions reduction. My car is quiet and clean and I am free from being packed into cheap crates.
@@RideAcrossTheRiver Yes. I don't see your point. I was commenting about options for sound deadening in city environments.
@@chaos.corner The video blames cars. Public transit is more noisy.
Having lived near a highly used street, Harley's were really by far the biggest nuissance. Not only their direct sound emissions are higher than anything (except for car horns), but also the induced low-frequency vibrations that are perceivable in the lower floors of nearby houses.
Big agree; sportbikes are rarely the loudest vehicles, and there's a lot more Harley-riding boomers than squids modding their R6
My dad owns a Harley Road King with bunch of aftermarket upgrades, including a high-performance exhaust. Before my parents divorced and he moved out, he would push it a couple hundred feet down the road so as to not wake up the whole house when he started it in the morning.
@@AWPtical800 Chad dad :)
I used to live in Hawaii which was blissfully peaceful. They opened a huge Harley dealership and rental store in downtown Kailua-Kona which quickly destroyed any quality peace and quiet at all hours of day and night and ruined the entire island for me. Moved.
@@jackrackham3406 Sport bikes usually have valved exhausts such that they are very loud when you open the throttle all the way, but quiet when maintaining a constant speed.
"But [car] manufacturers have lobbied against this for years because they're dicks" got me good. I was absolutely expecting a detailed, thoughtful explanation of why manufacturers had been lobbying against low-noise tires, but I got an honest one instead.
Das Kapital, the dicks get all the capital.
I can give a more detailed explanation.
Car and tyre manufacturers argued that low noise tyres may be less grippy and thus less safe. That's obviously bullshit. First of all, the sound dampening happens inside the tyre not in the surface compound. But more importantly tyre manufacturers are willing to sell noise dampening tyres - for a premium of course.
When this was pointed out, the argument went to "well, with our tech we may not be able to meet all mandated noise limits" - because the obvious solution for a not perfectly solvable problem is to do nothing at all.
In other words: They're dicks.
@@swapode That makes sense.
When corporations are $$lobbying$$ it is usually about one thing. - To protect their bottom line.
@@aabb55777 A large portion of the noise has to travel through the inside of the tyre first where it could be caught with relative ease.
In some cases there are actually trade-offs between noise, energy consumption and grip. Mostly, however, no industry likes to be regulated so they inevitably resist regulations which does make them kind of dicks
I live in Barcelona and the sound of droning mopeds is a constant pain.
Moped: When I was in Shanghai, I noticed they had really been pushing for electric mopeds and they were ubiquitous. They're so quiet that you need to always look behind you because you won't even hear them behind you. Electric mopeds would help a ton with reducing the noise
Another little fun fact that contributes to lower noise levels is that on many small streets they use cobblestones in the middle of the street. When a car drives over these cobbles it makes a lot of vibration noice inside the car, resulting in lower speed by the driver. But on the sides it is still asphalt, as that is most comfortable for the cyclist (so called 'fietsstraat')
Motorcycles really annoy me especially late at night when you're trying to relax in the evening or maybe even sleeping. Always get one of those farting ones making so much noise compared to literally everything else on the street.
@@maknyc1539 the video debunks this claim during the 12:00 chapter about motorcycles
Netherlands: in 10 years rebuilt an entire city to be more human-friendly
My hometown in italy: still has to fix the holes in the street under my house that have been there for over 3 decades
This is one of the most eye-opening videos I've ever watched. I live in downtown Toronto and my parents who visit from the suburbs often complain about the noise. I've always assumed it was because there are more people here but I now realize how the car-dependent neighborhoods make the downtown worse by proxy. Ironic because my parents always tell me to move out to a nice single-detached house instead of living in a small condo 🙄
The biggest argument against road noise control: enacting a policy with concrete goals for the public good might encourage citizens to demand more policies with concrete goals for the public good.
Now that's just too much communism! Think of the poor Americans! (Am a poor American 😂)
But think about the profits of car manufacturers and oil magnates!!!
@@spydula1 But they need that profit so that they can afford to live a nice life in a nice place without the problems they could've just spent the money on solving where they already live.
@@AndrooUK Imagine taking literal _Nazis_ at their word lmao
@@guy-sl3kr yeah. They did believe it was for the public good. They weren't just soulless demons, intent on nothing but inflicting suffering and furthering their own power. They were regular people, infected with a vile ideology. But the average Nazi truly believed that he was doing the right thing.
That's why we can't simply enact every policy that we think would be in the interest of the "greater good". We have to have more solid and specific reasons for any restrictions. We need data, grounded predictions, but most importantly of all, the consent of the People.
Now, for the matter in question, we probably have all three in most places in America, so it's probably irrelevant. Still, it's important to actually understand how and how not to run a society.
Dude, Portland right after the pandemic hit was dead quiet. So nice to walk through
pretty much everywhere. The early days of lockdown is something to be nostalgic.
In the Seattle area the traffic was lower in March 2020, but went back to normal by May. Now there are just as many cars but everyone drives faster until you hit the girdlock that exists in specific areas every day.
Yep, same here in Amsterdam. It was so quiet everywhere with all the cars gone. Bliss.
Bingo! 'Portland' has Google AI put your comment to the top.
and Portland is one of the most beautiful American city's to begin with
Downloaded curbing traffic and will now listen to it during my morning commute….
My town in France just remade it's a main avenue with porous asphalt. I live near this avenue, and now I can barely hear the traffic noise. This is just astonishing
My favorite are the super loud fart motorcycles that also have radios on them. So the guy has an ear splitting exhaust and his radio is blaring classic rock at maximum volume.
People ride past my apartment and PURPOSELY rev their engines to be cool 😒 we need a significant cultural change
What are they going to do when electric cars become standard?
Roll down their windows and blast their music to get attention?
@@AdmiralBison not but an electric car.
@@AdmiralBison they will probably install noise making contraptions on their cars so that they can be just as obnoxious reving their electric cars.
@@jelatinosa in most countries this is actually a law that you are able to hear electric cars. Its aweful
@@thetaomega7816 Or they can have cars drive slower speeds in built in areas and people learn to always look both ways when crossing roads.
Unfortunately we have to admit most of us pedestrians are looking down at our smart phones.
1st world future problems.
I really enjoyed this video. I find the noise of city traffic and noise pollutoin has a huge negative impact on my life, I lived in a rural area and experienced a big improvement in various symptoms (I have a medically diagnosed disability), and since living in a city again I find my stress levels are increased and I spend a large amount of my effort avoiding noises. I agree with many of your points and think they're all interesting.
However, I'd like to highglight a problem with restricting cars other than disapointing people who enjoy making noise. I'd really love it and think it would be extremely valuable if you could explore this topic and incorporate it into your future work. The issue is accessibility for people with mobility issues. My city has some central area mostly pedestrianised, and due to this it's very difficult to get someone to pick you up from the city centre without walking 10-20 minutes to somewhere they're allowed to stop. A few people I know sometimes struggle to walk that far and need to get picked up when they're pushed themselves too far. Some people with mobility impairments have strategies that work for this, like using a wheelchair or scooter full time, but for those with medium mobility impairments it's challenging. I think my city could make public transport better and help some of these people (bus travel is free for people over a certain age and young people with mobility impairments), and currently our bus system is just rubbish and we have no subway or tram system, so it's necessary to walk 10-20 minutes before you can catch your bus, rather than catching the bus instead. But I'm not sure if it would completely solve it. If people need to transport heavy items to or from a built up area and have some physically difficulty carrinyg heavy items a long distance (disability or not), using a car makes it so much more practical. These are just some of the examples I can think of to explain my point, that restricting car access to areas of the city does have some legitimate disadvantages that need to be worked with.
I'm new to your channel so haven't watched everything (yet). Looking forward to watching more.
Another loud noise is when large vehicles (buses, semi-trucks, etc.) pass by and they do that thing where they release brake pressure and it makes this extremely loud rushing air sound. It has actually made me paranoid when one of those vehicles passes by and stops at an intersection.
The air release path should be made to minimize the sound. IDK if it already is. It should also direct the sound away from pedestrians.
I resent living in the car dependent USA. There is no reason why I should have to drive my kids to their mile away preschool except that it's nothing but stroad the way there. I still bike it, sometimes, but when it gets really hot (and the ride back is in full sun), or the smoke from wild fires is bad, or just the fact that cars really make me wonder if I'm going to get my kids killed, I don't bike nearly enough.
I used to live in various places in Japan and it didn't matter, rural or urban. I never needed a car. I really miss that.
I agree. I actually learned that the eastern US is more built to be less car dependent but it still sucks overall we can’t have quieter more efficient transportation outside of cities.
we would love to welcome you in europe 😊
@@mbdg6810 Most cities in the Eastern US predate cars. Doesn't stop the suburbs from being totally car-dependent though.
But do you wonder if you're going to get jumped?
@@joltjolt5060 People who raise that point also defend the second amendment with their life.
“Me like car go vroom vroom” wins the internet for today.
I honestly think there might be a more nuanced point that politicians in a car dependant city would say - like people in poverty need cars and can't afford quiet ones. And I'm sure they can't see a way around that!
@@immeremma yup I never got a car/truck over 1000$ and I must obviously work on it to keep it working I wouldn’t be able to fix or afford a e-car
@@immeremma so I’ll have to go back to my young days and sell or F
@@immeremma Mufflers aren't that expensive, requiring they be functional enough to limit the noise would only add a small percent to the overall cost of owning a vehicle, while protecting the health of everyone else in the city.
@@immeremma The goal should then be to remove the need for cars. Cars are expensive AF between insurance, upkeep, gas, and initial buy-in.
As a Dutch Native, it is a pleasure to hear it from someone not Dutch, I have lived in various coutries also, and it made me appreciate so much more what we have in the NL.
Most Dutch people are not aware of this, and we tend to "klagen met gezonde benen" (look it up :P)
Hope to have you, a fan of our country, here for a long time! Enjoy your time in the NL.
Holy shit that tram line on the grass by 2 bike lanes is like something out of a Miyazaki film. It's so fuckin' picturesque and serene looking
My favourite reasons for banning loud vehicles from cities:
"interference with animal mating"
"they are really fucking annoying"
Lol. I live in a noise street in Brasil. I'm having problems sleeping because a Robin moved to the tree next to my apartament and sings from 1am from 8am all night.
And I can't even blame the guy. During the day he can't be heard by other robins anyway. And like all City birds he sings a high pitch variation of his song all nigh long.
Its not the car, it's the driver. Guns don't kill people
Even the loudest of all cars are quieter when they are driving in low rpm than in higher rpm's. Of course a lambo is stupid loud even when starting up, but it's worse if they bang throught the first gear to stop at the traffic light than if they were to drive it in comfort mode.
@@Daniel-dj7fh or put a friggin megaphone on the damn thing
like the opposite of a muffler.
@@Daniel-dj7fh just because it's quieter when driven slow than fast doesn't mean it's quiet.
@@aarontoussaint8364 yeah, but it's considerably more quiet. I've done some observing today and all the cars which passed me made more tirenoise than motornoise in a ~30kmh road infront of a school
On top of everything you've just said; I live in an area of Spain where noise is deeply rooted in the culture and I really struggle with it. Teens take the mufflers off their motorbikes, and then rev them every time they see a pretty lady, or generally want to show off (which is basically everywhere where there are people). Fireworks are let off every few minutes during festivities, and pre-covid, there was always something to celebrate. The fireworks are just starting to return now, and I'm totally not ready for it. The church bells compete for attendance for hours at a time on certain days of the week, and go off half-hourly at the minimum during the rest of the waking-hours (thankfully, they at least shut off at 22:00), and sometimes every 15 minutes. Restaurants tend to have hard tile floors, walls, and sometimes ceilings, which make them incredibly echoey and loud. And that's before you take into account people getting louder when they're drunk.
Here, the vehicles are one of the smaller problems. But it would be an excellent step in the right direction to address them.
This probably isn't the right place for me. But that isn't an option right now. So for now I cower in my home office with sound proofing and headphones while I work. And escape to the dirt roads of the countryside at the first opportunity, which is a shame, because there are many aspects to the culture that are absolutely lovely. Eg The camaraderie during the height of the covid times was at a level I had never experienced before.
As big as the car scene is here in the US, if ure revving ur muffler-deleted vehicle to impress anybody, girl or a crowd of fellow enthusiasts, everyone just laughs at u. We all think its stupid and such a call for attention. Thats one way the US car scene is better than Spain.
@@SavioureG I'm not completely sure what you are, and are not, replying to here. But I mostly agree with you. I live where I do at the moment because of my wife's career, and the fact that she likes contact with people. It's something we will have to solve sooner or later. But right now we haven't yet found a better option.
@@SavioureG Well said, and I totally agree. I would, however, like to make a couple of points:
* The suburbs assumption doesn't work here. Short of getting a farm house on the side of a mountain with an hours drive to the nearest village, there's no escaping the noise. It's everywhere where there are people living. I grew up in the sort of area you're describing. That doesn't exist here.
* My wife's career locks us were we are for now. She will have to re-train if we aren't able to find a solution.
* Things are so extreme here that animal rights activists are calling for several of the activities to be banned. I found this out a few days ago.
I'm sorry. I had no intention to imply that the area needs to change their culture, but I totally see how it came across that way. Some of the noises are part of the culture, some are solvable things that remain because people here don't travel and don't realise that it can be any different. At the moment, I don't have an option to move, so I have to make the best of it. And I'm struggling.
I hate noise but I somehow sometimes actually like the sound of scooters, because they remind me of visiting Italy and Spain together with my parents when I was a child. 😂
Perhaps some people just like noisy vehicles because they're just so used to them?
@@veroorzaakt6387 Yep, I genuinely don't know anybody in America who thinks that revving your engine is cool, aside from at specific shows and whatnot where like, loud and fast cars is the whole point lol
Meanwhile living on a military base in the U.S., we have building-shaking Chinook helicopters flying overhead, near constant gunfire from nearby marksmanship ranges, loud and heavy diesel military vehicles, and supercar enthusiasts revving their engines at 4 in the morning.
@@beatrixbrennan1545 Your point? If I could afford to live somewhere quieter I would.