Thanks for posting this video. I am a high school culinary arts teacher and we will be building our own chamber for a S.T.E.M. capstone project. Looking forward to utilizing your recipes for our production. Cheers!
Imagine a video so well thought out that usually I fast forward videos in 10 sec increments to skip unnecessary information. I could not do that once during this video. The information is so well relayed, the video is so well constructed. I know meat curing is your thing but the knowledge of holding an audience cannot be understated. Terrific video, well thought out, concise. I am new to the hobby and I will be subscribing and following all your content. Thank you for your time and energy in making this.
Several years ago, I built a salami chamber out of a frost free refrigerator but never knew about the concept of using a “refrigeration delay” and, unfortunately, burned up my compressor. This really shook my confidence and tempered my enthusiasm for producing charcuterie. Since finding your channel, I have rediscovered my interest in this hobby and want to thank you for your meticulously produced videos. I’ll start searching for a beverage refrigerator to get back in the game. Keep up the excellent work. As an aside, please consider doing a video on the process of confit cooking, specifically duck confit. It would mesh well with your other food interests and videos.
Excellent news. That's great to her. If you run into any issues or questions be sure to let me know.. BTW. I love the confit idea!! I'll have to do that...
Eric, I've just completed my first chamber build and am now in the process of dialing in the settings. One thing I learned is that all humidifiers/de-humidifiers are not the same. The newer ones have touch switches for the on/off function, this type of switch needs power all the time and will default to the off position when power is shut off by the controller. I purchased both and had to replace both because of this issue. If someone is looking to build a chamber they need to look make sure both the humidifier and de-humidifier have toggle or rheostat style switches to work with the controller.
It is unlikely that I will build a chamber however, I am glad to see that your imput is there to help others to not make the mistake that you made. "Good onya" George.
Wonder if you could have just hardwired the speed controller into the circuit for the existing fan? It’s also a good idea to put a “drip loop” in all your wires inside the chamber. Bend and mount all your wires in a U shape near all the plugs and electrical equipment. This will make any moisture that condenses on the wires drip off before it can wick into the equipment or electrical contacts from the wire.
I must say I love Eric's simple approach. Your idea is exactly what I did. I have a CocaCola beverage cooler. The fan has a temperature sensor and I don't hear it coming on so much. My airflow is is perfect when I hang the yarn. I figured I would just replace the fan and wire in my computer fan to the existing AC fan. According to Eric he runs his computer fan 24x7 but that just seems pretty inefficient. I will be posting my design on github with the entire control system. Other than connecting some wires this control system works unbelievable (bench tested). You will have about $20 in it. This version is standalone but has fantastic features. In a few weeks I will put my build in here. Eric deserves all the credit. He is awesome.
Just yesterday i was thinking to make a comment how would be great to make a video how to set up chamber and here we are, i am watching your video about it. You guys are amazing. Definitely one of my favourite new channels on TH-cam. Keep it rockin guys and highest respect!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Be aware that when modifying the design airflow for the evaporator by changing the fan, that you will be drastically affecting the refrigeration cycle. Yes it will work, however a refrigerator is a balanced piece of machinery and when you change one of the major components you will more than certainly shorten the life cycle of the system. Just some food for thought
Such a great video,many thanks. I made mine yesterday for some salami and chorizo that was struggling in my garage after the rain we’ve been having in the UK -
I’m glad I found this channel. I’ve been using umai dry to make some charcuterie and I ate it and didn’t get sick other people ate it then and they didn’t get sick and it tasted great. So now I want to play with the big boys. And start making some without the bags. Your videos may keep me alive keep them coming. I’m reading but I learn through watching and listening better. Thanks for sharing freely.
I’ve had low humidity problems in my cellar, my sausage and salami has been drying too fast. I saw your video it is very clear and informative and looks like a simple project, I have the fridge just waiting on my temperature and humidity controller to arrive. Thank you
You should put tape or a rubber grommet around those sheet metal holes. The light vibration from the pump running will eventually wear through the electrical cables causing a short and fire hazard.
I just got my humidifier today and should get the dehumidifier Monday and hopefully will have my converted chamber up and running by Tuesday mourning, thanks for the advice.
Will cross post this reply here also, as it is pertinent to folk's fridge or freezer choice. I do a lot of refrigerator repairs. One problem if you leave the freezer separate from fridge, the fridge is usually cooled just by airflow from the freezer. So there is usually a recirculation fan running a LOT. You can't really disable that fan, and still get the cold from freezer to the fridge. Whenever a fridge isn't staying cold enough but freezer still works, that fan is always blocked by too much food, or stopped working. This is one area of Eric's fridge conversion that could use more info, as he talks about disabling that fan and/or replacing with computer fan... that could really make the unit inefficient, causing freezer to overwork just to get fridge part to stay at 55, due to reduced cooling airflow. Best thing is a dedicated refrigerator with no freezer, 2nd best is removing separator so it becomes one space. Either a dedicated upright freezer OR a dedicated fridge like a beverage cooler would either be better than a fridge/freezer unit because you won't have to deal with as much airflow/heat transfer issues, they be engineered to cool the whole space without a fan driving airflow.
I like the way you format your videos. Very matter of fact confidence. I really enjoy your channel and extremely happy I subscribed. What’s unique is when I ask a question, I actually get an answer. Rarely happens on other channels.
Some of you have been asking if this will be for salami or cheese and I am happy to say that this chamber was built to be a cheese cave!! Get ready for some crazy cheese projects!! If you want to read more about this project be sure to check out my blog post here: twoguysandacooler.com/building-a-salami-chamber-cheese-cave/ I've also got a 15% off discount code for the 2 inkbird controllers in this video. Just input the discount code at the checkout page on Amazon. Here it is: WiFi Temp Controller (WIFI ITC-308): USA Store: amzn.to/3eTSlOg code: 89KAGQJZ Canadian store: amzn.to/2D9EmXa code: PUJ22MLU Wifi Humidity Controller (WIFI IHC-200): USA Store: amzn.to/39vvlUO code: W6XK3Q9X Canadian store: amzn.to/2OVruGU code: BTDL6676
Wow, you guys have really set a gold standard for valuable information and concise, fun presentation. This is one of the great sites on TH-cam. Wish you guys all the success in the world.
I have been using more or less the exact same setup (my controllers are the non WiFi versions though) for the past year or so with very good results. Only problem I have ever had is the excess amounts of moisture, around 80% humidity, that tends to eventually overflow the reservoir on top of the compressor, where it is normally evaporated away when the compressor kicks in and get warm. This problem only occurs because my fridge is located in my garage, where the ambient temperature tends to be close to that of my drying chamber, meaning that the compressor does not kick in very often, except maybe on the very warm summer days. I live in the UK and the cost for the entire setup, including the fridge, was in the area of £250-300, or roughly $325-395, so reasonably affordable.
Yep. That does sometimes happen. Mine is outside so it doesn't happen too often but every once in a while I'll get a little overflow. Nice job on the $$$. Very reasonable! What do you have in it right now?
I have used a Pepsi cooler like yours for many many years. Yes they work great but noisy as hell if in your home as mine is. One thing you did not mention is once adding the meat things will change so you really need to monitor your adjustments. Also having backup humidity controllers is a must. They don't last for ever. I have two Auber, one plug and play the other I built from their parts. Also one Inkbird. All can be a pain in the butt sometimes.
The 608T is great!! Lots of different functions with that controller. For me that controller doesn't work as I need a humidifier and dehumidifier but I love it for my fermentation chambers
Wow. Nice job! I would love to set this up here in Chile. We had our Virginia Baked ham yesterday and it was killer good. I am still working on the Salami fixings and as soon as they are here I am good to go. Jim
Hi Eric! Thanks again for your concise abs incredibly helpful videos. I don’t have space for a full-size chamber but I do have an old mini-fridge. It is 4.4 cubic feet. Can you recommend the correct size humidifier/dehumidifier? Again, 1000 thank yous. You’re doing amazing work.
I built a chamber per this video thanks for the help. I followed your recipe for Genoa salami using elk. It's been in the camber for about ten days starting to get An acid smell in the chamber. One thing I did notice was my dehumidifier actually molded over and quit working I blew it out and it's back to normal operation.
I think I'm gonna do something similar, but instead of replacing the fan it seems to me that it would be easier to fabricate a more restrictive baffle that will then also have mounts for hanging. I might also take that fan off and cut the rotors shorter too. I think anyone that has a metal hacksaw could probably just cut those rotors down until the airflow is where they want it. I also think I'm gonna use the fan for humidity control and wire it to come on when the humidity is too high, then use terracotta bricks soaked in distilled water to maintain moisture. I find most electric humidifiers end up putting things into the air that you really don't want... worth looking into...
Your presentation is clear and concise. Thank you. I will apply the lesson. I have a question please. My bev display fridge has no fan. It’s simply a refrigerated box. Coils located on the exterior of the rear of the unit get hot when the unit is plugged in. -do I need the computer fan? -are these rear coils likely to be the only? I could cut into the box without damaging the system? Also, on a low setting, the box maintains a temp of 13°C (55F). It seems remarkably stable over time. I have the inkbird controllers, a humidifier and dehumidifier, not yet installed, plus some temp/humidity monitors mounted inside. Thank you for your advice. I hope!
Since most fridges don’t exceed 41 degrees does the on off cycle of the fridge shorten it’s life. You recommend 55 degrees so I assume your fridges constantly cycles on and off.
Your videos are OUTSTANDING! I’ve made a few of them, and they all came out great… AND, to take it to the next step, I need a curing chamber. I’ve been watching the Marketplace type forums for the right combo of price and condition, but without luck. Would an upright freezer work well? Seems to fit the criteria…. well insulated, wire shelves, etc.
Yeah, an upright freezer would work great. The temp-bot basically just unplugs it when it reaches your set point, and plugs it back in when it drifts too far away. It can also plug in a heater if necessary. 🤓👍
I've seen a lot of videos using an old fridge, and it just seems like more work than necessary. If you need a huge space, maybe this is worth it, but our family of 3 just can't eat that much meat. Instead, I bought a wine cooler that I can adjust to the right temperatures without modification. I got a simple humidity gauge and mounted it on the glass door. I didn't need moisture until the end of curing, but when I needed moisture, I'd just put a small amount of water in a bowl at the bottom. Dehumidifying is way more important imo, and to do that, I'd open the door. I paid $200 for the 34 bottle wine cooler at a well known cheap retailer. I paid under $10 for two humidity/temp sensors. I've considered using a dehumidifier, but I'm also thinking about using silicon moisture wicking crystals. They are cheap, and with some experience I know I can dial in perfect humidity. Finally, why anyone would put a fridge in direct sunlight, is just beyond me :) Don't do that.
I searched and read so many of these designs and settled on Eric's. I have one question for everyone on here. Does anyone have problems without circulating air from the outside? Does this work well without having some type of external ventilation periodically? Many thanks to any input on this.
The only problem with not having external air is that you'll have to open the door every day or every few days for a little fresh air exchange. Other than that it's great
How often do you clean the humidifiers? Most say 2 weeks is max. I'm assuming you clean them. Do you have extra humidifiers to put in while you take out the ones to clean so to not affect the curing process.
Hello guys thanks for the great description. I can pick up a wine cooler for quite cheap, and if the temperatures fall within the parameters for what we need, could i make these same modifications with fans and humidifier/dehumidifier to have the same end result as the fridge you guys have built here? Many thanks.
Fantastic video thank you. One question is that at 11:35 you mention the refrigeration delay on the inkbird controller to prevent the “compressor from burning out”. This is set to 3 minutes, am I to assume that if the fridge powers up and down too frequent that’s what will likely damage the fridge?
Thank you for your video..its very clear and helpful..my question is what size of a dehumidifier and humidifier I have to use in a 70 cubic foot refrigerator.
If humidity goes up once a day to like 95% for a short period like 1 hour a day is that ok? Almost like spraying water mist in a chamber to get the humidity up some. Then it goes back to about 75 the rest of the day.
hello Sir, thank you for your video & teaching, great and interesting, i'd like to ask a question if i may, i don't see any water tank on your dehumidifier, doesn't it collect and store water from the the dehumidifying process ?
Excellent video! A question though, if the refrigerator already has a temperature control settings; is the control -"dongle" for temperature really necessary then? Regards
Thank you for the information explanations on so many different project - I like how you explain 'why' rather than just 'do this'. I've setup a bar fridge using this video, but there is no fan in this thing, so first question is does this matter? Secondly I wanted to start easy, and thought your Biltong would be my first feable attempt. I watched the BIlton box and thought that can be done in the Meat Chamber if I add a light/heat pad - but then I got confused over airflow. You made it clear airflow is paramount for Biltong, but there are no holes in the fridge for air to escape. So my second question (sorry I got greedy), is the clarification that some products need significant airflow? Thanks again for all the cool projects - this is a 10/10 channel!
Any reason not to pipe the output of the dehumidifier into the tank of the humidifier? Avoid both having to refill the humidifier and empty the dehumidifier... or would the water get gross after a while if you did that?
Hi Eric. I've found a great used refrigerator to build a small drying chamber and I plan on making some of the recipes in the 2023 Celebrate Sausage line up once I have everything up and running. I do have a question about the need for a dehumidifier in my chamber. I live in Phoenix, AZ and the climate here is very dry. Also, my chamber will be indoors, not outdoors or in a garage. Based upon those parameters, I'd like to start with just a humidifier and see how the unit performs before beginning to dry any product. Does that make sense? I can always had a dehumidifier if the chamber environment is consistently too damp. Thanks for your thoughts and the great DIY video!
I have a old Kenmore upright apartment size freezer we aren't using. Could I turn that into a dryer??? It would be great if it would work so it's not just taking up space in the house. Thanks in advance.
Awesome video, thanks for all the tips ! Could the same setup be used to dry age beef? Granted that it would be dedicated to do just that, not mixing with salami.
what do you do to sanitize the cabling and other equipment? They'll need to be washed with a weak solution of bleach and water after and soap and water before that to get any grease off, you'd think.
Love this video. A couple things I've been thinking about 1) Do you think its safe to dry age cheese and salami/salumi in the same chamber? 2) Are you interested in doing a fermented hot sauce video? 3) If the containers are sealed with an airlock, would it be safe to ferment beer or hot sauce in a chamber with Salami/Salumi? Thanks, Adam
Hey Adam, 1. Yes 2. Yes (i have a major pepper fermenting project on the horizon) 3. Yes (although the temp might be a little cold for the hot sauce. Not sure about the beer)
I have everything except refrigerator in our amazon cart, will definitely post progress and questions as i progress in the build. 1 question i have right now is would this work to dry age beef..steaks etc?
in our area, frost free freezerless fridge is not available may i know which is better upright freezer or beverage chiller? What are the pro's and cons. these are my options only.
I must say this is an excellent video I've researched many different avenues have not found anything this comprehensive. I also will compliment you on sharing the knowledge so that other people can get into the hobby for some reason people that have done this for years and years try to keep secrets this is a dying art and should be shared. I am following this build and I have been doing some testing I am having pretty large humidity swings while running my cooler curious if you have any insight on that I am using essentially the same humidification and dehumidification you are with the exception that I am using the everdry 1100 as I have a smaller chamber. Running both ink bird Wi-Fi controllers. Any help would be appreciated I am seeing humidity climb well over 10 points after humidification stops.
Do you have a hygrometer that reads the average in the chamber? You are looking for an average of 80%. Swings are totally normal. You can expect a 10% swing up and down as the refrigerator's compressor kicks on and off.
Okay thanks for replying I'm kind of starting to wrap my head around that I guess it's impossible to maintain a steady hold on humidity I do have three magnetic hygrometers in there to keep an eye on things
I'm converting a wine fridge that is lined with cedar, or a similar wood veneer. Is this material detrimental to the chamber when it comes to beneficial mold development on the salumi?
Great video. I don't understand the three minute delay for the refrigerator. Could I skip that whole controller by using a wine fridge that has 55 degree capabilities?
I received the Inkbird humidity and temperature controllers, chamber is nearly done, I want to use it as a fermentation chamber also, can I plug in a heating element to the temperature Controller so I can get higher temps for fermenting, can I have all three units in the fridge. If so What type of heating element should I use. My ambient temperature in the room is 68-70 degrees F
Yes you can. A heating pad works to get the temperature up you can also use a 75w or 100w incandescent light in a tin can (just make sure the salami aren't too close to the heat source)..
Hi I have a 2 door drinks fridge which I have converted into a curing chamber. I am having problems keeping humidity in check. I have 2 dehumidifiers but they don't seem to do anything. I had to not use a humidifier as it was putting in too much humidity which I could only lower when the fridge started to cool. I must be getting humidity from the evaporator unit as when the fridge is not running the humidity slowly rises. The only thing that keeps my humidity in check is when my fridge starts to cool. Any help would be appreciated
One thing that I have had to deal with is pests. As much I keep my garage clean it seams after it rains summer hits. I can't keep them out of my garage.. and they still manage to get in my fermentation chamber. And of course all my door seals are good.last year we had a fly infestation. Every so often wear I live in Florida. The fly's every summer. Are a pain in the &$$. I've been real hesitant can you use an insecticide near my chamber's .any suggestions. I was wondering you living in Panama if you also deal with this
That sounds wild.. Sometimes little mice (when the chamber isn't on) like to chew on the wires but I generally keep my chamber on all year. It should be sealed off from the outside. You might want to check and see if there is a hole or port that they are sneaking into. We have a fly season here (matter of fact we are in it right now) but i've never had them in my chamber. They make these glue like strips that you can hang from your ceiling and the flies love to get stuck to that. Maybe that might be an option.
@@2guysandacooler sorry maybe I didn't make myself clear in my questionI mean yes I look for holes and found a few and it filled them up. The only thing I can think of. Is the palmetto bugs squeeze their way underneath the and it usually happens right after it rains during.i was looking for a good safe insecticide . I was wondering if you had any ideas. I would like to bring it in to the house but I don't have the room
Did you have issues with the coils freezing? With such low airflow, I would expect it to ice over. Does the dehumidifier cycle much? I would think the refrigerator would pull the moisture out.
I follow your videos are very good in fact I decided to build a drying chamber using a refrigerator this has the fan and the coil on top I would like to ask you if I need to remove the fan and use one like the computer or not remove the fan
It's hard to say. Each chamber is different. You'll want very little air flow. If the fan you have is blowing too much air then I would suggest switching it out for a low speed computer fan.
Great video! I am curious why you did not attach a heating pad - wouldn't there be any curing recipes that require higher temperatures? Also, can this cabinet be placed inside the house (e.g., in a finished/carpeted basement) or is the garage better (e.g., due to smell or mold infestation issues)? Thanks.
I have a fridge in my garage that will not get warmer than 40F. Is that too cold? The open air in my garage has been about 60F right now, should i take my salami out (been i for abt 2 weeks) and move it to the open air of my garage? No white mold has formed yet on the salami inside the fridge.
Hi Eric. Thanks for that awesome video. Got me working on mine. Got it this weekend finished. Made it out of a used Wine Fridge. I have two questions if you can help me out. 1. I get a lot of condensed water in the bottom, to the point that after 2 o 3 days I have to dry a puddle of water. 2. How often does your humidifier goes on?. I'm getting on-off cycles of about 5-6minutes. Sound like too much.?
Hey guys, great channel 👍 I have a 3 meter x 3 meter coldroom made out of 50mm panel with an air-conditioner as the cooling unit. It is controlled by a coolbot controller, do you think this room could be used as a salami/cheese drying room? Thanks Paul
Thanks for this and many other excellent videos. I have a question about the end-stage dryness point for salami. Everyone says dry to a weight loss of 35-40%. But... I've purchased several commercial salamis as a benchmark. One large diameter sopressata I purchased was "squishable" to the touch; a second one (small diameter) was hard as a rock. Without much experience to go one, I'm assuming one of them was 30% loss and one was 40% or greater? What end point should I use? A second question: the whole meat varieties (copa, bresaolo, lonzino) all seem "softer" than the really hard dry salamis. Do the whole meat varieties have a different end point goal?
Hey Thomas. It really comes down to personal preference. anything between 30% and up is fine to eat. 30% weight loss is going to be quite soft while 40%+ is going to be harder. Generally whole muscles are dried softer like 32% - 35% but it all comes down to personal preference. If you are going to be making this at home my suggestion would be to try it at the different stages of drying to see what you like. I like a salami at 38% and a whole muscle at 34%. But that's just me...
Hi Eric, You are very handy! Can you come set one up for me? I have no hope in doing what you doing! gosh you good! No I don’t have a handy man around 😌😌 Thank you ❤️
I’ve looked on websites and message boards for years and never found content this clear and comprehensive. Thank you.
You're very welcome!
Same here. This was very helpful.
Thanks for posting this video. I am a high school culinary arts teacher and we will be building our own chamber for a S.T.E.M. capstone project. Looking forward to utilizing your recipes for our production. Cheers!
Do you get into making cheese? And salami?
Imagine a video so well thought out that usually I fast forward videos in 10 sec increments to skip unnecessary information. I could not do that once during this video. The information is so well relayed, the video is so well constructed. I know meat curing is your thing but the knowledge of holding an audience cannot be understated. Terrific video, well thought out, concise. I am new to the hobby and I will be subscribing and following all your content. Thank you for your time and energy in making this.
Thank you for your kind words. If you need any help as you grow in this craft, be sure to reach out.
Several years ago, I built a salami chamber out of a frost free refrigerator but never knew about the concept of using a “refrigeration delay” and, unfortunately, burned up my compressor. This really shook my confidence and tempered my enthusiasm for producing charcuterie. Since finding your channel, I have rediscovered my interest in this hobby and want to thank you for your meticulously produced videos. I’ll start searching for a beverage refrigerator to get back in the game. Keep up the excellent work. As an aside, please consider doing a video on the process of confit cooking, specifically duck confit. It would mesh well with your other food interests and videos.
Excellent news. That's great to her. If you run into any issues or questions be sure to let me know.. BTW. I love the confit idea!! I'll have to do that...
Beverage refrigerator or standard refrigerator is recommanded for salami chamber?
@@ardeleansorin7476 I think the beverage fridge is better suited. You could more easily follow along with Eric’s video.
Eric, I've just completed my first chamber build and am now in the process of dialing in the settings. One thing I learned is that all humidifiers/de-humidifiers are not the same. The newer ones have touch switches for the on/off function, this type of switch needs power all the time and will default to the off position when power is shut off by the controller. I purchased both and had to replace both because of this issue. If someone is looking to build a chamber they need to look make sure both the humidifier and de-humidifier have toggle or rheostat style switches to work with the controller.
It is unlikely that I will build a chamber however, I am glad to see that your imput is there to help others to not make the mistake that you made. "Good onya" George.
Wonder if you could have just hardwired the speed controller into the circuit for the existing fan?
It’s also a good idea to put a “drip loop” in all your wires inside the chamber. Bend and mount all your wires in a U shape near all the plugs and electrical equipment. This will make any moisture that condenses on the wires drip off before it can wick into the equipment or electrical contacts from the wire.
I must say I love Eric's simple approach. Your idea is exactly what I did. I have a CocaCola beverage cooler. The fan has a temperature sensor and I don't hear it coming on so much. My airflow is is perfect when I hang the yarn. I figured I would just replace the fan and wire in my computer fan to the existing AC fan. According to Eric he runs his computer fan 24x7 but that just seems pretty inefficient. I will be posting my design on github with the entire control system. Other than connecting some wires this control system works unbelievable (bench tested). You will have about $20 in it. This version is standalone but has fantastic features. In a few weeks I will put my build in here. Eric deserves all the credit. He is awesome.
Just yesterday i was thinking to make a comment how would be great to make a video how to set up chamber and here we are, i am watching your video about it.
You guys are amazing. Definitely one of my favourite new channels on TH-cam.
Keep it rockin guys and highest respect!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Be aware that when modifying the design airflow for the evaporator by changing the fan, that you will be drastically affecting the refrigeration cycle. Yes it will work, however a refrigerator is a balanced piece of machinery and when you change one of the major components you will more than certainly shorten the life cycle of the system. Just some food for thought
Such a great video,many thanks. I made mine yesterday for some salami and chorizo that was struggling in my garage after the rain we’ve been having in the UK -
this is the best video on TH-cam for an easy, how-to make a salami/meat curing chamber!
Thanks Peter.
I’m glad I found this channel. I’ve been using umai dry to make some charcuterie and I ate it and didn’t get sick other people ate it then and they didn’t get sick and it tasted great. So now I want to play with the big boys. And start making some without the bags. Your videos may keep me alive keep them coming. I’m reading but I learn through watching and listening better. Thanks for sharing freely.
Glad I could help! Reach out if you ever have a question😉
I’ve had low humidity problems in my cellar, my sausage and salami has been drying too fast.
I saw your video it is very clear and informative and looks like a simple project, I have the fridge
just waiting on my temperature and humidity controller to arrive. Thank you
Glad it helped
You should put tape or a rubber grommet around those sheet metal holes. The light vibration from the pump running will eventually wear through the electrical cables causing a short and fire hazard.
It's a video jungle our there for building these chambers. I've watched a dozen or so this week. This one is THE BEST! Thanks!!!
Thank you.
I am nowhere near to creating this type of chamber but I WILL BE BACK when I retire for sure this is gold.
I just got my humidifier today and should get the dehumidifier Monday and hopefully will have my converted chamber up and running by Tuesday mourning, thanks for the advice.
Will cross post this reply here also, as it is pertinent to folk's fridge or freezer choice. I do a lot of refrigerator repairs. One problem if you leave the freezer separate from fridge, the fridge is usually cooled just by airflow from the freezer. So there is usually a recirculation fan running a LOT. You can't really disable that fan, and still get the cold from freezer to the fridge. Whenever a fridge isn't staying cold enough but freezer still works, that fan is always blocked by too much food, or stopped working. This is one area of Eric's fridge conversion that could use more info, as he talks about disabling that fan and/or replacing with computer fan... that could really make the unit inefficient, causing freezer to overwork just to get fridge part to stay at 55, due to reduced cooling airflow. Best thing is a dedicated refrigerator with no freezer, 2nd best is removing separator so it becomes one space. Either a dedicated upright freezer OR a dedicated fridge like a beverage cooler would either be better than a fridge/freezer unit because you won't have to deal with as much airflow/heat transfer issues, they be engineered to cool the whole space without a fan driving airflow.
I like the way you format your videos. Very matter of fact confidence. I really enjoy your channel and extremely happy I subscribed. What’s unique is when I ask a question, I actually get an answer. Rarely happens on other channels.
Awesome, thank you! What a very nice thing to say!!
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Some of you have been asking if this will be for salami or cheese and I am happy to say that this chamber was built to be a cheese cave!! Get ready for some crazy cheese projects!!
If you want to read more about this project be sure to check out my blog post here: twoguysandacooler.com/building-a-salami-chamber-cheese-cave/
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Fantastic video. I appreciate the detail instructions for anyone to do. Now, to tell my wife about my next project...
You can use the original fan by bending the blades until you get the air flow you desire. Actually more versatile than adding a new fan.
Wow, you guys have really set a gold standard for valuable information and concise, fun presentation. This is one of the great sites on TH-cam. Wish you guys all the success in the world.
Wow, thank you! 😁😁
Been working away from home. It’s been awhile commenting.
Great show my friend
Thank you
Great to hear from you!! Thanks...
I have been using more or less the exact same setup (my controllers are the non WiFi versions though) for the past year or so with very good results. Only problem I have ever had is the excess amounts of moisture, around 80% humidity, that tends to eventually overflow the reservoir on top of the compressor, where it is normally evaporated away when the compressor kicks in and get warm. This problem only occurs because my fridge is located in my garage, where the ambient temperature tends to be close to that of my drying chamber, meaning that the compressor does not kick in very often, except maybe on the very warm summer days. I live in the UK and the cost for the entire setup, including the fridge, was in the area of £250-300, or roughly $325-395, so reasonably affordable.
Yep. That does sometimes happen. Mine is outside so it doesn't happen too often but every once in a while I'll get a little overflow. Nice job on the $$$. Very reasonable! What do you have in it right now?
Looks good enough 👌 TY ❤️ SO MUCH FOR POSTING 📫 THIS OUR FAMILY IS GOING TO TRY THIS!
I have used a Pepsi cooler like yours for many many years. Yes they work great but noisy as hell if in your home as mine is. One thing you did not mention is once adding the meat things will change so you really need to monitor your adjustments. Also having backup humidity controllers is a must. They don't last for ever. I have two Auber, one plug and play the other I built from their parts. Also one Inkbird. All can be a pain in the butt sometimes.
Hi Eric, also makes a combined Temp/Humidity control unit. It's the model 608T. I am using it in my chamber and it works perfectly.
The 608T is great!! Lots of different functions with that controller. For me that controller doesn't work as I need a humidifier and dehumidifier but I love it for my fermentation chambers
@@2guysandacooler I don't use a dehumidifier as I have the chamber in my office and open the door several times per day.
If you live in an area that gets cold in winter, a lightbulb usually works good enough
Can you leave the fridge freezer divider in? just run the equipment in the fridge section
Wow. Nice job! I would love to set this up here in Chile. We had our Virginia Baked ham yesterday and it was killer good. I am still working on the Salami fixings and as soon as they are here I am good to go. Jim
OH!!! I'm salivating... Can't wait till you have it all set up, that's when the fun begins!!
Thank you. Been looking for an easy tutorial for cheese cave. God bless.
Great information as usual, your commitment to this craft is much appreciated.
Thank you! Cheers!
What an awesome video! I've wanted to do this for years. Thank you very much for sharing!
Hi Eric!
Thanks again for your concise abs incredibly helpful videos.
I don’t have space for a full-size chamber but I do have an old mini-fridge. It is 4.4 cubic feet. Can you recommend the correct size humidifier/dehumidifier?
Again, 1000 thank yous. You’re doing amazing work.
I built a chamber per this video thanks for the help. I followed your recipe for Genoa salami using elk. It's been in the camber for about ten days starting to get An acid smell in the chamber. One thing I did notice was my dehumidifier actually molded over and quit working I blew it out and it's back to normal operation.
I think I'm gonna do something similar, but instead of replacing the fan it seems to me that it would be easier to fabricate a more restrictive baffle that will then also have mounts for hanging. I might also take that fan off and cut the rotors shorter too. I think anyone that has a metal hacksaw could probably just cut those rotors down until the airflow is where they want it. I also think I'm gonna use the fan for humidity control and wire it to come on when the humidity is too high, then use terracotta bricks soaked in distilled water to maintain moisture. I find most electric humidifiers end up putting things into the air that you really don't want... worth looking into...
Your presentation is clear and concise. Thank you. I will apply the lesson. I have a question please. My bev display fridge has no fan. It’s simply a refrigerated box. Coils located on the exterior of the rear of the unit get hot when the unit is plugged in.
-do I need the computer fan?
-are these rear coils likely to be the only? I could cut into the box without damaging the system?
Also, on a low setting, the box maintains a temp of 13°C (55F). It seems remarkably stable over time. I have the inkbird controllers, a humidifier and dehumidifier, not yet installed, plus some temp/humidity monitors mounted inside.
Thank you for your advice. I hope!
You might want to use rubber grommets for the drilled holes through metal. Also there is a plastic roll of “U” channel that can be cut to size.
Since most fridges don’t exceed 41 degrees does the on off cycle of the fridge shorten it’s life. You recommend 55 degrees so I assume your fridges constantly cycles on and off.
Your videos are OUTSTANDING! I’ve made a few of them, and they all came out great… AND, to take it to the next step, I need a curing chamber. I’ve been watching the Marketplace type forums for the right combo of price and condition, but without luck. Would an upright freezer work well? Seems to fit the criteria…. well insulated, wire shelves, etc.
Yeah, an upright freezer would work great. The temp-bot basically just unplugs it when it reaches your set point, and plugs it back in when it drifts too far away. It can also plug in a heater if necessary. 🤓👍
OUTSTANDING video!! Thanks so much for putting this together for the masses!
I've seen a lot of videos using an old fridge, and it just seems like more work than necessary. If you need a huge space, maybe this is worth it, but our family of 3 just can't eat that much meat. Instead, I bought a wine cooler that I can adjust to the right temperatures without modification. I got a simple humidity gauge and mounted it on the glass door. I didn't need moisture until the end of curing, but when I needed moisture, I'd just put a small amount of water in a bowl at the bottom. Dehumidifying is way more important imo, and to do that, I'd open the door. I paid $200 for the 34 bottle wine cooler at a well known cheap retailer. I paid under $10 for two humidity/temp sensors. I've considered using a dehumidifier, but I'm also thinking about using silicon moisture wicking crystals. They are cheap, and with some experience I know I can dial in perfect humidity.
Finally, why anyone would put a fridge in direct sunlight, is just beyond me :) Don't do that.
You should consider ceramic clear window tint to block UV
I have an Eva dry 110 in my true 12. I don't think it's big enough. Guess I'm going to have to try the 2500
You guys are the best. I share your page with friends.
Awesome thank you!
The same will work if you put a $2rehostat between the cable of the OG fan 👍
7:20 "Sergeant I see the light!" IYKYK
You could just reduce the bend in the fan blades (make them more flat) that would reduce the flow.
By the way,great detailed info,I'm a suscriber long ago,keep this superb job 😉
Could you do a video how you calibrate the two inkbird controllers?
of course. Check this one out. th-cam.com/video/AI9jC_wXd1k/w-d-xo.html
@@2guysandacooler greaat...Thanks!
I searched and read so many of these designs and settled on Eric's. I have one question for everyone on here. Does anyone have problems without circulating air from the outside? Does this work well without having some type of external ventilation periodically? Many thanks to any input on this.
The only problem with not having external air is that you'll have to open the door every day or every few days for a little fresh air exchange. Other than that it's great
Great content on dry aging.
How often do you clean the humidifiers? Most say 2 weeks is max. I'm assuming you clean them. Do you have extra humidifiers to put in while you take out the ones to clean so to not affect the curing process.
Hello guys thanks for the great description.
I can pick up a wine cooler for quite cheap, and if the temperatures fall within the parameters for what we need, could i make these same modifications with fans and humidifier/dehumidifier to have the same end result as the fridge you guys have built here?
Many thanks.
yes you can
Fantastic video thank you. One question is that at 11:35 you mention the refrigeration delay on the inkbird controller to prevent the “compressor from burning out”. This is set to 3 minutes, am I to assume that if the fridge powers up and down too frequent that’s what will likely damage the fridge?
you are correct sir..
Great vid. Thanks. I am ramping up to build. This info is super helpful.
Thank you for your video..its very clear and helpful..my question is what size of a dehumidifier and humidifier I have to use in a 70 cubic foot refrigerator.
thank you for sharing your knowledge!!!! please keep uploading
Great video Erick
Hey Robert. Thanks!! Stay safe :)
If humidity goes up once a day to like 95% for a short period like 1 hour a day is that ok? Almost like spraying water mist in a chamber to get the humidity up some. Then it goes back to about 75 the rest of the day.
hello Sir, thank you for your video & teaching, great and interesting,
i'd like to ask a question if i may,
i don't see any water tank on your dehumidifier, doesn't it collect and store water from the the dehumidifying process ?
There is a tank on the back side of the large on and a small tank on the front side of the small one..
Excellent video! A question though, if the refrigerator already has a temperature control settings; is the control -"dongle" for temperature really necessary then? Regards
not really. You can try without it and see how it works. If it's not tight enough, you could always add a temp sensor
Thank you for the information explanations on so many different project - I like how you explain 'why' rather than just 'do this'. I've setup a bar fridge using this video, but there is no fan in this thing, so first question is does this matter? Secondly I wanted to start easy, and thought your Biltong would be my first feable attempt. I watched the BIlton box and thought that can be done in the Meat Chamber if I add a light/heat pad - but then I got confused over airflow. You made it clear airflow is paramount for Biltong, but there are no holes in the fridge for air to escape. So my second question (sorry I got greedy), is the clarification that some products need significant airflow? Thanks again for all the cool projects - this is a 10/10 channel!
Any reason not to pipe the output of the dehumidifier into the tank of the humidifier? Avoid both having to refill the humidifier and empty the dehumidifier... or would the water get gross after a while if you did that?
Clever idea. You could do that if you had a top loading humidifier but yes, eventually the water will start to get moldy and slimy...
I wonder if tenting the windows would work for glass doors
This is so cool. I am definitely going to build this!
Genius design.
Hi Eric. I've found a great used refrigerator to build a small drying chamber and I plan on making some of the recipes in the 2023 Celebrate Sausage line up once I have everything up and running. I do have a question about the need for a dehumidifier in my chamber. I live in Phoenix, AZ and the climate here is very dry. Also, my chamber will be indoors, not outdoors or in a garage. Based upon those parameters, I'd like to start with just a humidifier and see how the unit performs before beginning to dry any product. Does that make sense? I can always had a dehumidifier if the chamber environment is consistently too damp. Thanks for your thoughts and the great DIY video!
That's a good idea. Every chamber acts differently based off of your placement and climate. Let me kow how it acts where you live.
I have a old Kenmore upright apartment size freezer we aren't using. Could I turn that into a dryer??? It would be great if it would work so it's not just taking up space in the house. Thanks in advance.
Awesome video, thanks for all the tips ! Could the same setup be used to dry age beef? Granted that it would be dedicated to do just that, not mixing with salami.
what do you do to sanitize the cabling and other equipment? They'll need to be washed with a weak solution of bleach and water after and soap and water before that to get any grease off, you'd think.
Check out my "cleaning a dry curing chamber vid".
Love this video. A couple things I've been thinking about
1) Do you think its safe to dry age cheese and salami/salumi in the same chamber?
2) Are you interested in doing a fermented hot sauce video?
3) If the containers are sealed with an airlock, would it be safe to ferment beer or hot sauce in a chamber with Salami/Salumi?
Thanks,
Adam
Hey Adam,
1. Yes
2. Yes (i have a major pepper fermenting project on the horizon)
3. Yes (although the temp might be a little cold for the hot sauce. Not sure about the beer)
I have everything except refrigerator in our amazon cart, will definitely post progress and questions as i progress in the build. 1 question i have right now is would this work to dry age beef..steaks etc?
in our area, frost free freezerless fridge is not available may i know which is better upright freezer or beverage chiller? What are the pro's and cons. these are my options only.
I must say this is an excellent video I've researched many different avenues have not found anything this comprehensive. I also will compliment you on sharing the knowledge so that other people can get into the hobby for some reason people that have done this for years and years try to keep secrets this is a dying art and should be shared. I am following this build and I have been doing some testing I am having pretty large humidity swings while running my cooler curious if you have any insight on that I am using essentially the same humidification and dehumidification you are with the exception that I am using the everdry 1100 as I have a smaller chamber. Running both ink bird Wi-Fi controllers. Any help would be appreciated I am seeing humidity climb well over 10 points after humidification stops.
Do you have a hygrometer that reads the average in the chamber? You are looking for an average of 80%. Swings are totally normal. You can expect a 10% swing up and down as the refrigerator's compressor kicks on and off.
Okay thanks for replying I'm kind of starting to wrap my head around that I guess it's impossible to maintain a steady hold on humidity I do have three magnetic hygrometers in there to keep an eye on things
I'm converting a wine fridge that is lined with cedar, or a similar wood veneer. Is this material detrimental to the chamber when it comes to beneficial mold development on the salumi?
If I have a fridge with independent temp control, (wine fridge) do I need the stuff that regulates when the fridge turns on and off?
Excellent video!
Thanks Eric, I just read your email on your chicken sausage. That's awesome! I bet the feat and spinach gave that sausage a nice touch!! Great job!!
@@2guysandacooler Thank You! I sent you an update just now.
If you do which dehumidifier and humidifier do you have in the smaller one? Thanks
How about a speedcontroller at the fan of the fridge, in stead of a cpmputerfan?
Great video. I don't understand the three minute delay for the refrigerator. Could I skip that whole controller by using a wine fridge that has 55 degree capabilities?
If your wine fridge has a 55F setting then you won't need a temperature controller..
Can I use any refrigerator with static cooler? I think this type of refrigerators has the lateral walls with no cooling pipes.
I think. as long as it's frost free
can i ask you the exact model of the fridge at 12:29 thanks
I received the Inkbird humidity and temperature controllers, chamber is nearly done,
I want to use it as a fermentation chamber also, can I plug in a heating element to the temperature
Controller so I can get higher temps for fermenting, can I have all three units in the fridge. If so
What type of heating element should I use. My ambient temperature in the room is 68-70 degrees F
Yes you can. A heating pad works to get the temperature up you can also use a 75w or 100w incandescent light in a tin can (just make sure the salami aren't too close to the heat source)..
amazing stuff. knowing me ill get around doing this probably never haha!
Hi I have a 2 door drinks fridge which I have converted into a curing chamber. I am having problems keeping humidity in check. I have 2 dehumidifiers but they don't seem to do anything. I had to not use a humidifier as it was putting in too much humidity which I could only lower when the fridge started to cool. I must be getting humidity from the evaporator unit as when the fridge is not running the humidity slowly rises. The only thing that keeps my humidity in check is when my fridge starts to cool. Any help would be appreciated
One thing that I have had to deal with is pests. As much I keep my garage clean it seams after it rains summer hits. I can't keep them out of my garage.. and they still manage to get in my fermentation chamber. And of course all my door seals are good.last year we had a fly infestation. Every so often wear I live in Florida. The fly's every summer. Are a pain in the &$$. I've been real hesitant can you use an insecticide near my chamber's .any suggestions. I was wondering you living in Panama if you also deal with this
That sounds wild.. Sometimes little mice (when the chamber isn't on) like to chew on the wires but I generally keep my chamber on all year. It should be sealed off from the outside. You might want to check and see if there is a hole or port that they are sneaking into. We have a fly season here (matter of fact we are in it right now) but i've never had them in my chamber.
They make these glue like strips that you can hang from your ceiling and the flies love to get stuck to that. Maybe that might be an option.
@@2guysandacooler sorry maybe I didn't make myself clear in my questionI mean yes I look for holes and found a few and it filled them up. The only thing I can think of. Is the palmetto bugs squeeze their way underneath the and it usually happens right after it rains during.i was looking for a good safe insecticide . I was wondering if you had any ideas. I would like to bring it in to the house but I don't have the room
Oh I see. Boric acid seems to work well. I forget the mixture ratios but a quick google search might help fill in the blanks.
KIØFX I have to have a ph meter to make dry cured sausage? Wonderful videos
Did you have issues with the coils freezing? With such low airflow, I would expect it to ice over. Does the dehumidifier cycle much? I would think the refrigerator would pull the moisture out.
I follow your videos are very good in fact I decided to build a drying chamber using a refrigerator this has the fan and the coil on top I would like to ask you if I need to remove the fan and use one like the computer or not remove the fan
It's hard to say. Each chamber is different. You'll want very little air flow. If the fan you have is blowing too much air then I would suggest switching it out for a low speed computer fan.
@@2guysandacooler thank you ,for your help
salami chamber... that can go so far in so many ways
Great video! I am curious why you did not attach a heating pad - wouldn't there be any curing recipes that require higher temperatures? Also, can this cabinet be placed inside the house (e.g., in a finished/carpeted basement) or is the garage better (e.g., due to smell or mold infestation issues)? Thanks.
#1 Excellent job Thanks
Would an upright freezer work well? Seems to fit all the criteria… well insulated, wire racks, etc.
Hey Patrick, as long as the freezer is frost free it should work. I've never used a freezer as a chamber but others have with great success.
I have a fridge in my garage that will not get warmer than 40F. Is that too cold? The open air in my garage has been about 60F right now, should i take my salami out (been i for abt 2 weeks) and move it to the open air of my garage? No white mold has formed yet on the salami inside the fridge.
Hi Eric. Thanks for that awesome video. Got me working on mine. Got it this weekend finished. Made it out of a used Wine Fridge. I have two questions if you can help me out.
1. I get a lot of condensed water in the bottom, to the point that after 2 o 3 days I have to dry a puddle of water.
2. How often does your humidifier goes on?. I'm getting on-off cycles of about 5-6minutes. Sound like too much.?
Hey guys, great channel 👍
I have a 3 meter x 3 meter coldroom made out of 50mm panel with an air-conditioner as the cooling unit. It is controlled by a coolbot controller, do you think this room could be used as a salami/cheese drying room?
Thanks
Paul
Sure sounds like it. As long as the air flow is minimal and you can increase the humidity it should work..
Thank you for your reply, keep up the good work 👍
Thanks for this and many other excellent videos. I have a question about the end-stage dryness point for salami. Everyone says dry to a weight loss of 35-40%. But... I've purchased several commercial salamis as a benchmark. One large diameter sopressata I purchased was "squishable" to the touch; a second one (small diameter) was hard as a rock. Without much experience to go one, I'm assuming one of them was 30% loss and one was 40% or greater? What end point should I use? A second question: the whole meat varieties (copa, bresaolo, lonzino) all seem "softer" than the really hard dry salamis. Do the whole meat varieties have a different end point goal?
Hey Thomas. It really comes down to personal preference. anything between 30% and up is fine to eat. 30% weight loss is going to be quite soft while 40%+ is going to be harder. Generally whole muscles are dried softer like 32% - 35% but it all comes down to personal preference. If you are going to be making this at home my suggestion would be to try it at the different stages of drying to see what you like. I like a salami at 38% and a whole muscle at 34%. But that's just me...
Could it be done with old vine fridge,like cave a vin?
Hi Eric,
You are very handy!
Can you come set one up for me? I have no hope in doing what you doing!
gosh you good!
No I don’t have a handy man around 😌😌
Thank you ❤️
Thank you... LOL