I like how you used the rock rail to shift your position. That is one of the hardest things to explain to people when off roading when it comes to maneuverability of the KLs
Yep. And my brother was all like "watch your door"...i'm like, yeah, the rock rail is doing what it does...its fine. Those rails have put in some serious work over the years. Best investment for the KL.
Yeah. Tire pressure need to be REALLY low I think for KL to do better at this. I'm thinking 10 PSI and beadlock rims. When we can get front and rear subframe drop, we can use taller skinnies and get more flex from the tires. Something that I've been experimenting with with my KL is to use spring rubbers (coil boosters) in addition to my lift , not for lift , but for increased spring rate. It doesn't flex anyway , so make the springs stiffer for better non static ground clearance and then dump the flex to the tires. Basically like heavy material equipment. The difference is that you don't have tons of weight lol. Per some corner travel experiments I've done , I lost basically zero corner travel (weirdly) but gained dynamic clearance and increased spring rate. One other thing that helps and helped me a little bit is to use wheel spacers. My tires are a little bit smaller than yours I have the 265 65 instead of the 265 70 and I can actually clear a 0.75 inch wheel spacer from Rocky road outfitters with NO pinch weld mod. Pretty cool. It also solved the suspension arm rubbing 100% . The wheel spacers will change the motion ratio making it a little easier for your springs to compress under load and help flex ( But it might also reduce dynamic ground clearance lol). However.. with the wheel spacers and the spring rubbers I still have better dynamic clearance and better stability.
Thats pretty crazy! More spotter guidance, please. Not a trail for stock vehicles. Yeah, only downside of the Hawks, Grand included, is control arms. Amazing job, gents. Glad you went there now I dont have too. Cheers!👍👍😎🇺🇸
Yeah, finding a spotter that understands we can't take a wrangler line and watching out for control arms is hard to do. I can count on one hand the number of people i truly trust to spot me through something questionable. (these two yahoos are not on that list as they just don't have the experience yet)
@@FearlessTrailhawk It was great to watch. And to be fair, 5 people will have 5 different lines on any section. Rock rails, a lift, tires and skid plates saved the day. Nicely played good sir!
You just got a well deserved like and subscribe! My 2017 Trailhawk is coming up on 100K miles. I kind of feel I got my regular life out of it, so time for some fun. I have ordered a Dobson + 2 inch MFC lift, some frogfab rockrails (as all the others are way backlogged), and some Toyo 245/70R/17. I doubt I will take on trails this tough, but it will open up some possibilities. Keep these great videos coming, you are indeed fearless!
Man, I've been waiting for weeks since you have that preview in your IG... I think I watched at least 5x the way you maneuver @8:22. I keep learning from your channel. Thanks for this episode!
Nice work. Took my 2020 Blue Canary through Rausch a couple of months back. Wanted to do A couple of badge trails but just took it easy and just got #11. Was on a 4000 mile road trip. Didn't want to break anything. Think i will go back next year and give it a shot.
I certainly wouldn't attempt it without people i knew....much less solo. We were on a week-long 2k mile trip and this place was 10 hours from home, none of us wanted to break anything either! We had about 10 of the 15 rigs go back to the front of the park and playground after #11, so don't feel bad.
Really impressive! Quick question. I notice some videos you’ve got the recovery strap at the ready sticking out from the trunk and other videos you don’t. Is there any specific reason for this ? I’m still learning the basics. Thanks
Its generally something the club does for rides if we anticipate anyone getting stuck, to have the tow straps already hooked up. It saves lots of time on larger rides. (Especially for the ones who have d-rings) The times i don't, its either because i forgot to, or because i don't anticipate anyone getting stuck.
Your jeep badges remind me of the Boy Scouts or something. Not trying to diss you at all by the way just a random funny thought. I can’t wait to take my 19 trailhawk off road on some real trails I’m just waiting on my rock sliders.
As with everything, putting them on the Jeep isn't for everyone. But most do, and i find it a great conversation piece. Hope you make some great memories in your Jeep!
I believe i was for most of it, but i don't remember for sure. But who knows, i do have a habit of just leaving it in Auto all day. But yeah, for some reason it seems mine allows more wheel spin than others that i have seen. But again, just guesswork at this point.
I don't think anyone even knows where that was at? We passed a billion different mud holes that looked deeper than we wanted to test. Rule of thumb with the people i wheel with, either be on tonnes and 40's, or don't touch any mud hole you don't know how deep it is. Especially while 800 miles from home!
Major breaks? 1 front diff, 2 rear diffs, 4 rear CV's (replaced the one set when the rear diff recently went out due to bent and worn splines, and the CV's never "broke", they were replaced preventatively). All 4 wheel bearings. A few dented fenders and fender flares torn off. This is 3 years of wheeling often, and 70k miles. You can see how the bumper cover is holding up....scratched to crap and half the clips are broken. Its getting replaced with a metal bumper hopefully by the end of the year, so i'm not as concerned with it.
-Dobinsons KL Trailhawk suspension lift, paired with partial Hazard Sky lift spacers to achieve 2.5" lift fyi, all my mods are listed in the description of each video...
@@FearlessTrailhawk thanks brother I just got a 2021 Trailhawk.. love watching your videos... you think I should go for a three and a half inch lift or two and a half good enough... anything else you would have done different
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I like how you used the rock rail to shift your position. That is one of the hardest things to explain to people when off roading when it comes to maneuverability of the KLs
Yep. And my brother was all like "watch your door"...i'm like, yeah, the rock rail is doing what it does...its fine. Those rails have put in some serious work over the years. Best investment for the KL.
Yeah. Tire pressure need to be REALLY low I think for KL to do better at this. I'm thinking 10 PSI and beadlock rims. When we can get front and rear subframe drop, we can use taller skinnies and get more flex from the tires.
Something that I've been experimenting with with my KL is to use spring rubbers (coil boosters) in addition to my lift , not for lift , but for increased spring rate. It doesn't flex anyway , so make the springs stiffer for better non static ground clearance and then dump the flex to the tires. Basically like heavy material equipment. The difference is that you don't have tons of weight lol.
Per some corner travel experiments I've done , I lost basically zero corner travel (weirdly) but gained dynamic clearance and increased spring rate.
One other thing that helps and helped me a little bit is to use wheel spacers. My tires are a little bit smaller than yours I have the 265 65 instead of the 265 70 and I can actually clear a 0.75 inch wheel spacer from Rocky road outfitters with NO pinch weld mod. Pretty cool. It also solved the suspension arm rubbing 100% .
The wheel spacers will change the motion ratio making it a little easier for your springs to compress under load and help flex ( But it might also reduce dynamic ground clearance lol). However.. with the wheel spacers and the spring rubbers I still have better dynamic clearance and better stability.
Thats pretty crazy! More spotter guidance, please. Not a trail for stock vehicles. Yeah, only downside of the Hawks, Grand included, is control arms. Amazing job, gents. Glad you went there now I dont have too. Cheers!👍👍😎🇺🇸
Yeah, finding a spotter that understands we can't take a wrangler line and watching out for control arms is hard to do. I can count on one hand the number of people i truly trust to spot me through something questionable. (these two yahoos are not on that list as they just don't have the experience yet)
@@FearlessTrailhawk It was great to watch. And to be fair, 5 people will have 5 different lines on any section. Rock rails, a lift, tires and skid plates saved the day. Nicely played good sir!
You just got a well deserved like and subscribe! My 2017 Trailhawk is coming up on 100K miles. I kind of feel I got my regular life out of it, so time for some fun. I have ordered a Dobson + 2 inch MFC lift, some frogfab rockrails (as all the others are way backlogged), and some Toyo 245/70R/17. I doubt I will take on trails this tough, but it will open up some possibilities. Keep these great videos coming, you are indeed fearless!
You and your brother, along with other off-roaders, did a commendable job negotiating that trail. Plus, your brother shot some nice video.
I'm still waiting for most of the pics though....lol...from that whole trip!
Man, I've been waiting for weeks since you have that preview in your IG... I think I watched at least 5x the way you maneuver @8:22. I keep learning from your channel. Thanks for this episode!
Sorry for the wait...just so much going on right now...soo many videos i need to edit!
Rausch creek is an awesome place
I've done that trail with my '08 Power Wagon. Never thought about doing it with my '13 TrailHawk.
@DanOfTheWild We have a Power Wagon meet every June at Rausch Creek and in May. A meet at Moab.
Man, that truly was a Badge of Honor! Great job!
Impressive!! Congrats
Awesome video Jason!
Inspiring wheeling! I hope to wheel with you sometime in my old Shitbox. Great video 🤘
Thanks man! Maybe someday! I get pretty busy with club stuff summer/fall.
I'm in Mojo, but don't get that far south to often in the XJ. You go all over the country in yours lol. Either way keep tearing it up!
Osom. U r a truly fearless Trailhawk!
Your brother is definitely a better multi spotter/ videographer than me
Love it Fearless getting more badges. What is your fearless Ground Clearance now ? (with all the Mods? )
Apparently enough lol
It's probably around 13" inches with tires and the lift.
Nice work. Took my 2020 Blue Canary through Rausch a couple of months back. Wanted to do A couple of badge trails but just took it easy and just got #11. Was on a 4000 mile road trip. Didn't want to break anything. Think i will go back next year and give it a shot.
I certainly wouldn't attempt it without people i knew....much less solo. We were on a week-long 2k mile trip and this place was 10 hours from home, none of us wanted to break anything either! We had about 10 of the 15 rigs go back to the front of the park and playground after #11, so don't feel bad.
Respect .... keep off-roading and enjoy
Thanks!
Well now I know if I do this trail I need the MFC control arm skids lol.
Or the gleaming alloy rear arms. If i didn't have the HD dobs springs in the rear i may have opted for those!
Can't wait to learn more from the best at Bearwallow!
Very cool. Keep them coming.
Thanks, will do!
Impressive, but you still took nearly all the bypasses.
Really impressive! Quick question. I notice some videos you’ve got the recovery strap at the ready sticking out from the trunk and other videos you don’t. Is there any specific reason for this ? I’m still learning the basics. Thanks
Its generally something the club does for rides if we anticipate anyone getting stuck, to have the tow straps already hooked up. It saves lots of time on larger rides. (Especially for the ones who have d-rings) The times i don't, its either because i forgot to, or because i don't anticipate anyone getting stuck.
That guy have ball off steel! Very professional driver! i guest if he drive a wrangler it will be like nothing for him! Good job sir👉👍
My answer to "just get a wrangler" is "well it wouldn't be as much fun or challenge..." Trails are funner when you are lower to the ground!
@@FearlessTrailhawk lol! 😂so true!!!!👉👍
Suscribed to your channel!
@@FearlessTrailhawk exactly. This is why I like watching stock wranglers doing trails. For a monster jeep it's easy
Did you do any other badge trails while there, there are 3 in that park?
Yes, ran all 3. Called it a day halfway through Crawler Ridge due to massive storm moving in.
Your jeep badges remind me of the Boy Scouts or something. Not trying to diss you at all by the way just a random funny thought. I can’t wait to take my 19 trailhawk off road on some real trails I’m just waiting on my rock sliders.
As with everything, putting them on the Jeep isn't for everyone. But most do, and i find it a great conversation piece. Hope you make some great memories in your Jeep!
If I got more into doing more specific trails I’d probably do the same. Some of the trails you’ve put up deserve the badge 👍
Is this car higher than the original ones? It looks like that there is more ground clearance than on the standard Cherokee
Yes. That's because it isn't standard. I have a lift and larger tires. All my mods are listed in the description of each video.
Were you in Rock mode for this? Seemed like a lot of wheel spin.
I believe i was for most of it, but i don't remember for sure. But who knows, i do have a habit of just leaving it in Auto all day. But yeah, for some reason it seems mine allows more wheel spin than others that i have seen. But again, just guesswork at this point.
@@FearlessTrailhawk Yeah because Rock mode also shifts into an extra low crawl gear that would have helped in those situations.
Yep. It is also supposed to be much better at preventing wheel spin, as well as slowing the throttle response. (i made a video about this stuff)
While you were out at Rausch Creek did anyone try “JK Killer”? We had to pull out a JK on 35’s. His tires were completely submerged in the mud.
I don't think anyone even knows where that was at? We passed a billion different mud holes that looked deeper than we wanted to test. Rule of thumb with the people i wheel with, either be on tonnes and 40's, or don't touch any mud hole you don't know how deep it is. Especially while 800 miles from home!
@@FearlessTrailhawk it’s on the south side of the park map.
I was on this ride with Fearless. We drove by it and no one was interested in testing the name as we had a long drive home.
How are those tires for everyday use?
As just about any mud tire are. They aren't whisper quite, i don't care what anybody says. But this is my second set, so i'd say they are decent.
@@FearlessTrailhawk how long your first pair last, mile wise?
*shrugs* I kept swapping them out for my stock tires/wheels whenever i wasn't wheeling...my guess would be 20-30k miles...
How often do you break things? How's the bumper cover hold up?
Major breaks? 1 front diff, 2 rear diffs, 4 rear CV's (replaced the one set when the rear diff recently went out due to bent and worn splines, and the CV's never "broke", they were replaced preventatively). All 4 wheel bearings. A few dented fenders and fender flares torn off. This is 3 years of wheeling often, and 70k miles. You can see how the bumper cover is holding up....scratched to crap and half the clips are broken. Its getting replaced with a metal bumper hopefully by the end of the year, so i'm not as concerned with it.
@@FearlessTrailhawk what front bumper are you planning on going with?
No options available. Only MFC's cosmetic tube bumpers which look ugly imho. Having it custom fab'ed. Yes i'll post info when its done.
@@FearlessTrailhawk awesome I wish there was more aftermarket stuff out there
Bro how big is the lift on your trailhawk
-Dobinsons KL Trailhawk suspension lift, paired with partial Hazard Sky lift spacers to achieve 2.5" lift
fyi, all my mods are listed in the description of each video...
@@FearlessTrailhawk thanks brother I just got a 2021 Trailhawk.. love watching your videos... you think I should go for a three and a half inch lift or two and a half good enough... anything else you would have done different
@@gregc2253 I'd say stay around 2" unless you want to be constantly replacing CV's.
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Glad you enjoyed!