13:50 Bonus Round and 2 copies enter the stack. The copies resolve first. Let both resolve. 13:55 Cast Fork. 2+1 copies enter the stack. We will have 4 more bonus rounds. Again, resolve all bonus rounds except the original bonus round. We now have 6 Bonus Rounds resolved. 14:07 Cast Twincast. 6+1 copies enter the stack. Make 8 more bonus rounds. Let all bonus rounds resolve. We have resolved 15 this turn. 14:28: Cast Searing Wind. Make 15+1 copies of it. He can deal 170 damage in increments of 10.
Props to Jhoira for winning the game with half a million copies of a card I had never heard of, although to be fair it was chaining three extra turns together that actually won the game.
It was fun doing the searing wind math at the time. I think we ended up at 17 copies of searing wind by the end of it, maximizing the Fork and Twincast by letting all the copies of bonus round except one resolve before casting the next spell. If you think we could've gone higher, let me know how :)
SOOOOOO SPOILERS AHEAD the max number of copies of spells you could get for the end game would be 1. Bonus round 2. Bonus round copy 1 from double 3. Bonus round copy 2 from swarm intelligence 4. Let the 2 copies resolve first 5. Original bonus round still on the stack, cast fork on the OG bonus round, which is copied twice by the copies of bonus round, and once by swarm, that's 4 forks. 6. We have fork make 4 more copies of BR (6) 7. We could have cast twincast, copying the last fork, copying itself to go infinite here but ignoring that... 8. We let our 6 forks resolve leaving the original bonus round still on the stack, casting twincast, bonus round copies it 6 times and swarm intelligence once (14) 9. We let the original bonus round resolve (15) 10. We cast searing wind, copied 15 times from bonus round, and once from swarm intelligence 170 damage. Not bad.
But what a game. Max put himself in an advantageous position but struggled to stay after Volcanic Offering. I don't know yet why Nick didn't use Azami's ability in response to Ugin. Great game, Muddstah.
Wow this was a great game and awesome to have it on video, I got it saved to study later. Always fun having Jhoira of the Ghitu go off with bombs and big stompies because everyone knows what you are up to, but that was some straight up good izzet playing right there that won! Neat way to pilot Jhoira for sure.
So he chained a bunch of things that copied spells, so that one searing wind was...a lot. Alright so. Copy from swarm Copies from bonus round. I think 6? Plus the original. So at least 7 copies of 10 damage each on the stack. Probably more I'd have to really really math to find out.
In a nuttshell, he did a crap ton of copies of Bonus Round which would do X copies of the next spell anyone would cast that turn, then he tapped Kaza reducing the cost of the next sorcery or instant equal to the number of wizards he had which were the copies he did with the Rite of Replication and finally he just one shoted everyone with the X copies of Searing Winds
So, he cast Bonus Round, getting a copy from Swarm Intelligence, copy count 1. He targetted that with a spell to copy it, SI copying that. He let those resolve, copy count 3. He then cast another spell to copy it again, so copy count 7. He then let the Bonus Rounds resolve, copy count 9. He then cast Searing Wind, for a total of 10 copies, burning his opponents for a total of 100 damage, taking them out.
13:13 Martin only gets one copy of Cyclonic Rift. Double Vision doesn't give a copy, since he already cast his first instant/sorcery of the turn beforehand
I wanna see that Jhoira deck list so bad. Been looking for one for a while and I actually have a lot of cards in that deck by the looks of the milled cards.
The ending (assuming he did it the way I think) he had 15 Bonus Rounds resolve. (Cast and have 3 on stack, resolve 2 and cast fork, this gets 3 additional forks bringing us to 6 resolved, then cast twin cast which gains 7 copies leaving us with 9 copies of bonus round on the stack, with 6 already gone.)
Jhoira is such a fun commander built like this. When I saw her it the board I was like KILL IT NOW !!!! My previous experience with Jhoira players is not great that’s maybe why i react that way.
Jhoira get a bad rep because usually people just run eldrazi monstrocities and board wipes. You suspend the creatures and wipe the board just before removing the last time counter and now the board is empty and you have a powerhouse that is free to act. A lot of Jhoira decks not only remove creatures, it has mass land destruction too. I do not play her that way, although effective, It isn't fun for me and for others, but I can see why she gets a bad rep. This deck Martin used is more interesting than just using this bread and butter strategy. Great game, with a great finish!
Bruno Clemente You’re totally right. I wanted to build a Jhoira deck when I first got into commander but when my first ever Edh game was against a Jhoira Eldrazi deck and a Kalia, I quickly changed my mind. I think being at the other hand of the sticks can be useful and I hope people who are building this type of decks are fully aware of how awful you can make someone feel.
Just so you know, in that last turn there were 15 copies of bonus round in play. That means that the total damage from searing winds was 160, from both the copies and the original all resolving.
So, a thing I caught is that Double Vision should not have been copied twice, but only once; it only copies the first instant/sorcery played that turn, which was Treasure Cruise.
When you copy a Volcanic Offering and change the targets, you don't go through the process of letting opponents pick some targets. You just change all 4 to whatever you want. But Martin should probably have Swan Songed the original in response to the Reiterate to prevent both of them anyway.
I have a question what does the Geneva convention say about goblin attacks ? Are those war crimes or acceptable ? Also I hope that goblin launch was intended and not by accident !
I'm very sad that Daretti didn't get to do his thing, mostly because I just finished building a Daretti deck myself. Although mine is on a much tighter budget and has a new stupid combo I found : Blazing sunsteel on a brash taunter (which is easily my favourite cards of the last few sets)
Am I misunderstanding how copying spells work, or did I miss some other copies? Because as far as I know, there are: Three copies of double round Two copies of fork Two copies of twincast + searing wind is eight copies of 10 damage. That’s not enough to wipe the table, which would require at least twelve copies.
I am surprised why noone focused that much on either of Izzet players. One played Part the Waterveil which means he has at least 5 other extra turn spells if he is also playing that. Other is Jhoira, we all know how ugly a Jhoira deck can get, especially after a Ugin gets played to blow some vampires while it has a Melek and Swarm Intelligence on suspend :P.
@@MTGMuddstah Ah dang. I did buy a playmat but wanted to support the channel. I'm going to message OMA and let them know that it was your video that drove me to the site :)
I have darreti in my saheeli the gifted precon along with some eldrazi and other upgrades. He's great for cheating out expensive artifact creatures for almost nothing early on!
I have a Jhoira deck that's a standard suspend big creatures, wipe board of creatures/lands, suspended creatures come in, smash face deck. One time I won had a guy super salty about it, said it was toxic. Other 2 guys were like it's fine, it's one way to win.
Feels like Jhoira didn't deserve to win. The three other players were doing lots of stuff, interacting, removing. He gets Swarm Intelligence down, plays an extra turn spell, then wins the game. Honestly feels like cheating. I loved that Drana deck though.
That was one of the most "Commander-y" finishes I've seen in a loooong time
13:50 Bonus Round and 2 copies enter the stack. The copies resolve first. Let both resolve.
13:55 Cast Fork. 2+1 copies enter the stack. We will have 4 more bonus rounds. Again, resolve all bonus rounds except the original bonus round. We now have 6 Bonus Rounds resolved.
14:07 Cast Twincast. 6+1 copies enter the stack. Make 8 more bonus rounds. Let all bonus rounds resolve. We have resolved 15 this turn.
14:28: Cast Searing Wind. Make 15+1 copies of it. He can deal 170 damage in increments of 10.
Props to Jhoira for winning the game with half a million copies of a card I had never heard of, although to be fair it was chaining three extra turns together that actually won the game.
It was fun doing the searing wind math at the time. I think we ended up at 17 copies of searing wind by the end of it, maximizing the Fork and Twincast by letting all the copies of bonus round except one resolve before casting the next spell. If you think we could've gone higher, let me know how :)
i maxed out at 17 too. he missed out on a thousand year storm haha !!
SOOOOOO SPOILERS AHEAD
the max number of copies of spells you could get for the end game would be
1. Bonus round
2. Bonus round copy 1 from double
3. Bonus round copy 2 from swarm intelligence
4. Let the 2 copies resolve first
5. Original bonus round still on the stack, cast fork on the OG bonus round, which is copied twice by the copies of bonus round, and once by swarm, that's 4 forks.
6. We have fork make 4 more copies of BR (6)
7. We could have cast twincast, copying the last fork, copying itself to go infinite here but ignoring that...
8. We let our 6 forks resolve leaving the original bonus round still on the stack, casting twincast, bonus round copies it 6 times and swarm intelligence once (14)
9. We let the original bonus round resolve (15)
10. We cast searing wind, copied 15 times from bonus round, and once from swarm intelligence 170 damage. Not bad.
You forgot the original twincast on step 8. There is also the swarm intelligence copy of searing winds
I almost cried at that failed Gamble :'(
Dude I wept and died at the same time lmao #oof
That was a surprising ending to a game. Loved it!
But what a game. Max put himself in an advantageous position but struggled to stay after Volcanic Offering. I don't know yet why Nick didn't use Azami's ability in response to Ugin.
Great game, Muddstah.
I'm almost certain I did, and Muddstah's commentary just missed it. :)
Wow this was a great game and awesome to have it on video, I got it saved to study later. Always fun having Jhoira of the Ghitu go off with bombs and big stompies because everyone knows what you are up to, but that was some straight up good izzet playing right there that won! Neat way to pilot Jhoira for sure.
Seeing a Izzet player go off is one of the most fun things ever.
I feel like the first time you cast daretti, if you had just cast the archive you would've been in a lot better position
You're probably right. I was too focused on getting him out to try and power out the emblem. I need to get better at reading the board.
Happy thanksgiving everyone!
Can someone explain to me like I'm 5 how did he won? I want a spellslinger deck and I need to know all the interactions! Thanks.
So he chained a bunch of things that copied spells, so that one searing wind was...a lot. Alright so.
Copy from swarm
Copies from bonus round. I think 6? Plus the original. So at least 7 copies of 10 damage each on the stack. Probably more I'd have to really really math to find out.
In a nuttshell, he did a crap ton of copies of Bonus Round which would do X copies of the next spell anyone would cast that turn, then he tapped Kaza reducing the cost of the next sorcery or instant equal to the number of wizards he had which were the copies he did with the Rite of Replication and finally he just one shoted everyone with the X copies of Searing Winds
So, he cast Bonus Round, getting a copy from Swarm Intelligence, copy count 1. He targetted that with a spell to copy it, SI copying that. He let those resolve, copy count 3. He then cast another spell to copy it again, so copy count 7. He then let the Bonus Rounds resolve, copy count 9. He then cast Searing Wind, for a total of 10 copies, burning his opponents for a total of 100 damage, taking them out.
@@NordicRest You forgot the copy of Double Vision but yeah that was basically that.
@@NordicRest It was 170 total damage. I did the math in my comment and someone else commented with the same answer.
Opening hands - 1:13
Game starts - 2:03
That conclusion made me recoil, that was a shnasty win
The ending made my soul happy. Great game overall!
Martin with that HAWT playmat
I don't know if you know this, but the Daretti and Kaza decklists aren't in the description
Loved this match. Unique commanders, strategies and game play. 10 out of 10 moves and looked like alot of fun!
13:13 Martin only gets one copy of Cyclonic Rift. Double Vision doesn't give a copy, since he already cast his first instant/sorcery of the turn beforehand
I wanna see that Jhoira deck list so bad. Been looking for one for a while and I actually have a lot of cards in that deck by the looks of the milled cards.
It’s in the description
Happy Thanksgiving to all
Searing Wind! What a nice janky surprise.
The ending (assuming he did it the way I think) he had 15 Bonus Rounds resolve. (Cast and have 3 on stack, resolve 2 and cast fork, this gets 3 additional forks bringing us to 6 resolved, then cast twin cast which gains 7 copies leaving us with 9 copies of bonus round on the stack, with 6 already gone.)
love all of the alter sleeves you have.
want some for christmas
Jhoira is such a fun commander built like this. When I saw her it the board I was like KILL IT NOW !!!!
My previous experience with Jhoira players is not great that’s maybe why i react that way.
Jhoira get a bad rep because usually people just run eldrazi monstrocities and board wipes.
You suspend the creatures and wipe the board just before removing the last time counter and now the board is empty and you have a powerhouse that is free to act. A lot of Jhoira decks not only remove creatures, it has mass land destruction too.
I do not play her that way, although effective, It isn't fun for me and for others, but I can see why she gets a bad rep.
This deck Martin used is more interesting than just using this bread and butter strategy. Great game, with a great finish!
Bruno Clemente You’re totally right. I wanted to build a Jhoira deck when I first got into commander but when my first ever Edh game was against a Jhoira Eldrazi deck and a Kalia, I quickly changed my mind. I think being at the other hand of the sticks can be useful and I hope people who are building this type of decks are fully aware of how awful you can make someone feel.
Lol that was a beautiful ending. I love spell copy decks
Are you going to do another video with the new precons like you did the Zendikar ones?
That was awesome! !
Great game, crazy maths!! Seemed like everyone got to do something fun and it ended pretty fairly.
Just so you know, in that last turn there were 15 copies of bonus round in play. That means that the total damage from searing winds was 160, from both the copies and the original all resolving.
Forgot the swarm intelligence, so it is 17 copies and 170 damage
So, a thing I caught is that Double Vision should not have been copied twice, but only once; it only copies the first instant/sorcery played that turn, which was Treasure Cruise.
What point are you referring to?
Gamble never disappoints. It should be erratad to "Discard the card you tutored for".
i wanna see that kaza deck
Yeah the unnecessary kick to Tomer :D :D
When you copy a Volcanic Offering and change the targets, you don't go through the process of letting opponents pick some targets. You just change all 4 to whatever you want. But Martin should probably have Swan Songed the original in response to the Reiterate to prevent both of them anyway.
My mind melted at the end
Shouldn't daring fiendbonder have attacked turn 2? It has haste and attacks each combat if able
He cast it in his second main phase intentionally to avoid this.
@@MTGMuddstah lol, the fact that I missed that is honestly kind of funny. Thanks for the clarification ❤❤
Hello! I was thinking of taking apart my Deretti deck, and turning it into Dargo, and Silas Ren. Any ideas?
that intro needs an explosion as the last sound
Hello @Mtg Muddstah do you by any chance have the deck list for Daretti?
That was a interesting game to watch
I had a feeling that it was all over when Martin got three extra turns... and I wasn't disappointed.
I have a question what does the Geneva convention say about goblin attacks ? Are those war crimes or acceptable ? Also I hope that goblin launch was intended and not by accident !
Do you have the decklist for daretti? Would really like to see it!
I'm very sad that Daretti didn't get to do his thing, mostly because I just finished building a Daretti deck myself.
Although mine is on a much tighter budget and has a new stupid combo I found : Blazing sunsteel on a brash taunter (which is easily my favourite cards of the last few sets)
That fail Gamble play, dear god I hate to see that
Sick winD
Gamble
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Search your library for a card and put it into your hand, then discard that card at random
Am I misunderstanding how copying spells work, or did I miss some other copies? Because as far as I know, there are:
Three copies of double round
Two copies of fork
Two copies of twincast
+ searing wind is eight copies of 10 damage.
That’s not enough to wipe the table, which would require at least twelve copies.
Copies of bonus round resolve while the original is on the stack to make even more copies of fork and twincast
A few of us did a math breakdown of it. It is 170 total damage.
@@mrzhou7685 oh I see I misinterpreted what bonus round did. Didn’t think how it copied all successive instant or sorceries.
@@sunutopia no worries, I play a melek deck and have to do it all the time, but usually copying blatant thievery or something
Can't wait to Drana's List
i need
It's in the description now!
😂😂
wasn't expecting that Searing wing
I am surprised why noone focused that much on either of Izzet players. One played Part the Waterveil which means he has at least 5 other extra turn spells if he is also playing that. Other is Jhoira, we all know how ugly a Jhoira deck can get, especially after a Ugin gets played to blow some vampires while it has a Melek and Swarm Intelligence on suspend :P.
They were too busy wiping Max over and over.
2:40 it is supposed to attack right?
He cast it in his post combat main phase.
I love this game .
sweet finish by jhoira!!
One of my favorite, izzet duplicate kaboom
Drana started out incredible
Hey Andrew. For some reason i thought you said Drana The Punchy. And knowing that you nickname everybody I almost didn’t question it
Why the heck didn't Martin pick the Metalworker at 5:28 ? You can *never* let anyone untap with a Metalworker, *ever* !
I tried using the code at original magic art and it didn’t work :(
I believe it's disabled whenever there's a larger discount active. I don't think you can double up on discounts, sorry!
@@MTGMuddstah Ah dang. I did buy a playmat but wanted to support the channel. I'm going to message OMA and let them know that it was your video that drove me to the site :)
that gamble though,really painful,but in the end he won the game
Glad to see something other than the Macy’s thanksgiving day parade lol
I have darreti in my saheeli the gifted precon along with some eldrazi and other upgrades. He's great for cheating out expensive artifact creatures for almost nothing early on!
This game was awesome
Woot, Solemn deals damage for a change :)
DUKE OF DUMPSTERS LOL great deck nickname
Was ready for boring izzet spells win but searing winds was cool
Waiting here for the metal worker to do anything...
Daring fiendBONDER!
What the hell is this Jhoira deck? No big creatures at all, just a bunch of... stuff?
Show de bola
🥇
Ah yes, Searing Wind... My Jhoira decks personal record was 16 copies
Its the waifu edh game
First rule of the game against jhoira. Kill
Her first
I try to avert this rule by building weird Janky versions of her, like this spellslinging one!
I don’t disagree with your decision to run her as commander in any form! She is just a powerhouse overall is all.
Ah yes, Red Entomb
Wow!!!!!!!!!
Yerrrrrr
I have a Jhoira deck that's a standard suspend big creatures, wipe board of creatures/lands, suspended creatures come in, smash face deck. One time I won had a guy super salty about it, said it was toxic. Other 2 guys were like it's fine, it's one way to win.
I have a Jhoira deck as well. I took out the land destruction. I felt so dirty winning games like that.
As a jhoira "main" I fucking loved that weird combo, wp!
All the hate on Max early.... Oof. Whenever I see someone getting targeted like that it's cringe.
Feels like Jhoira didn't deserve to win. The three other players were doing lots of stuff, interacting, removing. He gets Swarm Intelligence down, plays an extra turn spell, then wins the game. Honestly feels like cheating. I loved that Drana deck though.
the worst metalworker I've ever seen