I use a simple inline 22mm filter on the return side of the boiler, saw these in Europe so decided to do the same. Works perfectly and collects the debris in the wire gauze.
Here is my prediction Me: I’ve tested your system water Mrs Miggins in accordance with the new regs and it recommends a system clean. Mrs Miggins : Bye. See you next year. People in offices can make up all the stuff they like. In the real world unless there’s a problem that’s actually causing them an issue right now. Most customers won’t take a blind bit of notice especially if it’s gonna cost them money. The regs might as well recommend a diamond encrusted unicorn for the amount of notice most landlords will take. Just more bollox like Boiler Plus that everyone ignores.
You have to ask why are internal pipe surfaces and the interior of radiators not coated with some metal rust inhiubitor. Cars metal bodies have had these coatings to avoid rust for years.
VDI standards are not standards in the U.K. our standards say use inhibitors and most tap water in the U.K. is good enough to use in heating systems so no need to. That’s until the standards change of course
@@tomkatgastraining I get that - but it is the manufacturers instruction. Many of your videos and those of others always caution ‘follow the manufacturers instructions’ - how do you square that?
@@normanboyes4983 I will need to check the manuals for Viessmann but the manufacturers instructions don’t always override regulations and yes sometimes the regulations say refer to manufacturers instructions for clarification.
@@normanboyes4983 just checked the instructions for vitodens 100 in the U.K. it says to fill the heating with potable water of less than fluid category 3 and use chemicals to protect, if the water is over 300 ppm it must be softened
I've just put 500ml of mc1 inhibitor in a 10 rad system as i want more than just enough as some rads are allot older than others and some new , question is when its said top up inhibitor every year does that mean like half a bottle or a full bottle as its not all that clear , ive not got a test kit but i do have a magnaclean and all rads were flushed via hose and some were removed todo the same as i could handle the size
Hi Derek, great video. Will the filter and flush through help with limescale build up inside my electric shower? Sorry if that's a really dumb question, I'm just a mere non-plumber mortal. 😊 Been through umpteen electric showers. Thanks
I'd ask the shower installer or shower maker to advise based on having a hard water supply. Limescale is hard to remove if it has hardened. A Power flush is more useful for radiators and pipes than the shower. An email or call to the shower maker or shower distribtutor should offer some good advice.
Yep, the air will disappear … where did you think the magnetite comes from? (Magnetite is a stable form of iron oxide often promoted in ferrous pipes and equipment as a protection from corrosion) … … As for magnetic filters they’ve been around since Adam was a lad!
i was planning on getting some filters fitted... i notice that the TF1 you're holding looks to have a cyclonic action for catching heavy/non-magnetic debris... would you recommend that over the magnaclean?
@@eazyrat Something wrong there. I've never had a Magnaclean leak....ever. I find they perform better than most others at catching muck and I've had one on my home system for twelve years. I've fitted most of them at one time or another and serviced them all of course. I find the Adeys to be consistently better at catching magnetite.
Hi, may I ask what I thought was a simple queston that even boiler manufacturers dont reply to, can you shed any light. Heat only, 'new' system condencing boiler running only hot water, summer operation. Hot water storage tank selected temperature 60 degrees, what is the most economical temperature to set the boiler temperature to, 60, or leave it in winter heating selected 70 degrees. Kind regards Dave Porter, london
The lower you set your flow temperature the more economical your system. Problem with your question is how many litres is the cylinder what size kw is the boiler because it’s all about recovery time. Hot water should be sorted over 50oc because of legionella and obviously if you set your flow temperature to 70 and require 60 it should heat up quicker than if you set it to 60.
My daughter just got the keys to a new build yesterday 05/08/2022 in Leeds.with an ideal logic c35 Combi boiler. (No filter installed) really don’t see why I should now have to travel 100 miles there and start to cut in to pipe work to install one. If B.S. 7593 2019 is only best practice and advised not compulsory. But now since June 2022 it comes under building regulation part L can she demand to have a filter fitted. Or is she just wasting her breath even asking the developers. ?????????
It’s now in the building regs part l but the manufacturers won’t warranty a boiler without one. I would go to the developer and see what BS they come out with
@@tomkatgastraining thanks for your reply so quickly didn’t expect that( brilliant.) I have just watched an ideal video on there Magna clean and they said the government changed there mind on there policy about adding a system filter. 🤷♂️🤷♂️
Just an update as I’m getting more confused by the regulations. I phoned ideal technical department and they told me it’s only best practice to install a dirt filter. No mention of a dirt filter on there benchmark. he knew nothing of any changes to the building regs from the 15th of June . The bench mark was completed on the ideal logic esp1 Combi boiler.but no weather or load compensation. Water meter installed and no shock absorber.it does have two zones thankfully but these are wired to the 240 link so as far as I’m aware that isn’t modulating the boiler just on and off switch. The plans for the new build were probably submitted months or years ago so I guess there complying. It’s just annoying that they don’t even bother in a quarter of a million pound house.
It just means the water ways in the boiler won’t be protected because the magnetite will flow through the boiler before reaching the filter so causing the boiler to block and break down
@@tomkatgastraining Thank you for your reply. I think you mis understood my question. Why not fit two filters. One to protect the boiler and one to protect the radiators. ? Thank you
i have a strange problem with a heating system nobody was able to answer me , the combi boiler works good all 9 radiators are perfectly working BUT 1 is not working temperature on it it`s like 1/3 of the others it`s on the second floor of the house , where i have another 2 radiators both work good around 60-65 celsius on them but this one does not max 25 , i tried all the methods to purge the air even called different installer we used a pump with cleaning agend and cleand 2 times the installation problem still not solved , my question is if the water pump could lose it`s power as it ages ? and if so did anybody else experienced this kind of problem ? also it seems to have a higher temperature in the night like 30 C compared to 20-25 in day time , could it be that in the middle of the night the AC line voltage be a bit higher and the 8 year old pump work better ? it`s a standard pump grundfos with running capacitor to emulate a second phase ....... this problem is breaking my mind
The first thing I would do is turn all the radiators off except the one not working to see if it gets hot. If it doesn’t get hot then I would be looking to see if there is a blockage in the radiator or pipe work. If it gets red hot then the system will need balancing.
I think if engineers were allowed by customers ie cost to do their job correctly ie test and clean systems there would be no need for filters but as we know customers take the cheapest quote these days which most of the time leads to boiler in and gone in half a day
@@tomkatgastraining I think your comment is supported by the experience of many. I feel lucky to have a different customer base that want good work and are willing to pay. I plate seperate my boilers to give total protection and it works brilliantly. No filter needed.
I've an adey pro check. Tested many systems known to be trouble, known not to have inhibitor (tested on purpose just for giggles). Hay presto............ Pass. Utter rubbish. Pro check that is
I use a simple inline 22mm filter on the return side of the boiler, saw these in Europe so decided to do the same. Works perfectly and collects the debris in the wire gauze.
Excellent video. Very well explained and showed what BS it’s applicable. You’re an an absolute professional taking pride in your profession. 👍🏽
Ordered a Pro Check last week. The Rep was in the Merchants.
Another great video with useful information👍👍👍 Thanks Derek
Another top quality video derek 👍
Here is my prediction
Me: I’ve tested your system water Mrs Miggins in accordance with the new regs and it recommends a system clean.
Mrs Miggins : Bye. See you next year.
People in offices can make up all the stuff they like. In the real world unless there’s a problem that’s actually causing them an issue right now. Most customers won’t take a blind bit of notice especially if it’s gonna cost them money. The regs might as well recommend a diamond encrusted unicorn for the amount of notice most landlords will take. Just more bollox like Boiler Plus that everyone ignores.
You have to ask why are internal pipe surfaces and the interior of radiators not coated with some metal rust inhiubitor. Cars metal bodies have had these coatings to avoid rust for years.
Thomas Bradwell
Thanks Derek
I have baxi solo 2 pf the overheat lamp lights up and he does not want to turn on thanks for any help, pump ok work.
Very informative information well done 👍🏼
Thanks Derek great video 👍
Loved the video 😀 if you are not the man, then then the other is an imposter 👍 have a great new year.
You too thanks 🙏
How do you square the use of inhibitors as opposed to Viessman instructions to clean the system to VDI standards and use demineralised water?
VDI standards are not standards in the U.K. our standards say use inhibitors and most tap water in the U.K. is good enough to use in heating systems so no need to. That’s until the standards change of course
@@tomkatgastraining I get that - but it is the manufacturers instruction. Many of your videos and those of others always caution ‘follow the manufacturers instructions’ - how do you square that?
@@normanboyes4983 I will need to check the manuals for Viessmann but the manufacturers instructions don’t always override regulations and yes sometimes the regulations say refer to manufacturers instructions for clarification.
@@normanboyes4983 just checked the instructions for vitodens 100 in the U.K. it says to fill the heating with potable water of less than fluid category 3 and use chemicals to protect, if the water is over 300 ppm it must be softened
@@tomkatgastraining Thanks.😀
I've just put 500ml of mc1 inhibitor in a 10 rad system as i want more than just enough as some rads are allot older than others and some new , question is when its said top up inhibitor every year does that mean like half a bottle or a full bottle as its not all that clear , ive not got a test kit but i do have a magnaclean and all rads were flushed via hose and some were removed todo the same as i could handle the size
Another great video 👊
I do a water quality test every service now ...
Just bought the Adey kit, nice and easy and you can email it to the client.
Refills kits are expensive over £60 for 25
Once you get a reading, do you sell a powerflush after and what's the conversion from showing customers to a sale of a flush?
Another great video, very informative. I enjoyed watching
Hi Derek, great video. Will the filter and flush through help with limescale build up inside my electric shower? Sorry if that's a really dumb question, I'm just a mere non-plumber mortal. 😊 Been through umpteen electric showers. Thanks
You probably live in a hard water area so you will need a water softener on your mains water
@@tomkatgastraining thank you 👍
I'd ask the shower installer or shower maker to advise based on having a hard water supply. Limescale is hard to remove if it has hardened. A Power flush is more useful for radiators and pipes than the shower. An email or call to the shower maker or shower distribtutor should offer some good advice.
Yep, the air will disappear … where did you think the magnetite comes from? (Magnetite is a stable form of iron oxide often promoted in ferrous pipes and equipment as a protection from corrosion) …
… As for magnetic filters they’ve been around since Adam was a lad!
Very clever man 👏👏
i was planning on getting some filters fitted... i notice that the TF1 you're holding looks to have a cyclonic action for catching heavy/non-magnetic debris... would you recommend that over the magnaclean?
Magnaclean also has a way of catching debris
The tf1 is not as good of quality as the ADEY filter
we have so man problems with leaking magnacleans. when you loosen them on a service the seals go. don't recommend
@@eazyrat Something wrong there. I've never had a Magnaclean leak....ever. I find they perform better than most others at catching muck and I've had one on my home system for twelve years. I've fitted most of them at one time or another and serviced them all of course. I find the Adeys to be consistently better at catching magnetite.
@@timhancock6626 hmm maybe. We've stopped putting them in. Many if them are old i imagine. But it was enough of a problem to change.
Health and safety prohibition, No smoking when you bleed the radiators. 🚭
Free pdf download link?
Very good video
Hi, may I ask what I thought was a simple queston that even boiler manufacturers dont reply to, can you shed any light. Heat only, 'new' system condencing boiler running only hot water, summer operation. Hot water storage tank selected temperature 60 degrees, what is the most economical temperature to set the boiler temperature to, 60, or leave it in winter heating selected 70 degrees.
Kind regards Dave Porter, london
The lower you set your flow temperature the more economical your system. Problem with your question is how many litres is the cylinder what size kw is the boiler because it’s all about recovery time. Hot water should be sorted over 50oc because of legionella and obviously if you set your flow temperature to 70 and require 60 it should heat up quicker than if you set it to 60.
My daughter just got the keys to a new build yesterday 05/08/2022 in Leeds.with an ideal logic c35 Combi boiler. (No filter installed) really don’t see why I should now have to travel 100 miles there and start to cut in to pipe work to install one.
If B.S. 7593 2019 is only best practice and advised not compulsory. But now since June 2022 it comes under building regulation part L can she demand to have a filter fitted. Or is she just wasting her breath even asking the developers. ?????????
It’s now in the building regs part l but the manufacturers won’t warranty a boiler without one. I would go to the developer and see what BS they come out with
@@tomkatgastraining thanks for your reply so quickly didn’t expect that( brilliant.) I have just watched an ideal video on there Magna clean and they said the government changed there mind on there policy about adding a system filter. 🤷♂️🤷♂️
@@shaundavey1170 no it’s in the new building regs part l like you said. I would contact the developer and ask them all they can say is no
@@tomkatgastraining thank you
Just an update as I’m getting more confused by the regulations. I phoned ideal technical department and they told me it’s only best practice to install a dirt filter. No mention of a dirt filter on there benchmark. he knew nothing of any changes to the building regs from the 15th of June . The bench mark was completed on the ideal logic esp1 Combi boiler.but no weather or load compensation. Water meter installed and no shock absorber.it does have two zones thankfully but these are wired to the 240 link so as far as I’m aware that isn’t modulating the boiler just on and off switch. The plans for the new build were probably submitted months or years ago so I guess there complying. It’s just annoying that they don’t even bother in a quarter of a million pound house.
Thanks again Big D
Cheers big D. from Tomkat. : D
Top Vidios and explinations
Our system run for twenty years without any filter.People invent these contraptions to make money.If it works is another matter.
Oh yes we do!
👍👍👍🔥🔥 DEL
Thank you for the video. Where is the harm in installing a filter to protect the rads and fitting one on the flow side?
It just means the water ways in the boiler won’t be protected because the magnetite will flow through the boiler before reaching the filter so causing the boiler to block and break down
@@tomkatgastraining Thank you for your reply. I think you mis understood my question. Why not fit two filters. One to protect the boiler and one to protect the radiators. ? Thank you
@@RayMondElec no need when the one on the return will protect the boiler and the radiators
@@tomkatgastraining Thank you
i have a strange problem with a heating system nobody was able to answer me , the combi boiler works good all 9 radiators are perfectly working BUT 1 is not working temperature on it it`s like 1/3 of the others it`s on the second floor of the house , where i have another 2 radiators both work good around 60-65 celsius on them but this one does not max 25 , i tried all the methods to purge the air even called different installer we used a pump with cleaning agend and cleand 2 times the installation problem still not solved , my question is if the water pump could lose it`s power as it ages ? and if so did anybody else experienced this kind of problem ? also it seems to have a higher temperature in the night like 30 C compared to 20-25 in day time , could it be that in the middle of the night the AC line voltage be a bit higher and the 8 year old pump work better ? it`s a standard pump grundfos with running capacitor to emulate a second phase ....... this problem is breaking my mind
The first thing I would do is turn all the radiators off except the one not working to see if it gets hot. If it doesn’t get hot then I would be looking to see if there is a blockage in the radiator or pipe work. If it gets red hot then the system will need balancing.
I descale boilers fitted with filters on a regular basis. I honestly think it's a waste of money.
I think if engineers were allowed by customers ie cost to do their job correctly ie test and clean systems there would be no need for filters but as we know customers take the cheapest quote these days which most of the time leads to boiler in and gone in half a day
@@tomkatgastraining I think your comment is supported by the experience of many. I feel lucky to have a different customer base that want good work and are willing to pay. I plate seperate my boilers to give total protection and it works brilliantly. No filter needed.
Tomkat👍🏻
I like radmag its easy to install and seems to collect plenty of crap from the system
🤘😎🤘
I've an adey pro check. Tested many systems known to be trouble, known not to have inhibitor (tested on purpose just for giggles). Hay presto............ Pass. Utter rubbish. Pro check that is
Unless you use a magnaclean you are wasting time and money