It was nice to see this clip in its entirety as opposed to bits and pieces that was shown on a game show special a few years back. This was classic, and Match Game is FOREVER!!!!!!!!!! Thank you!!!
Dawson gets a lot of crap for this little episode, but honestly, I think it was warranted. And he seems to be genuinely pissed that the contestant is getting screwed.
choclytgremlins He wanted the fair outcome on both MG and FF. If you want another prime example of bad judging look up Match Game 77 Richard Explodes Again. Its just like this. The contestant gave the answer of 'bag'. Some celebs wrote paper bag/sack which were considered matches. Richard wrote plastic baggie and was buzzed. Ira refused to match him since paper and plastic dont match. But the contestant never specified a particular bag. As long as its a bag shoudlnt it match???? Richard got a bit agitated that time too and rightly so.
CULTURED pearls would certainly fit (go to) "finishing school" perfectly! And "night school" fits because of the idea of education. I think Charles was allowed because he circled "school", he's designated the main part of his answer that way before. The judge's decisions were outrageous, an exact answer wasn't required for first and second round questions.
My impression is that the Dawson/Producer conflicts on MG/FF came from the fact that Richard always had the contestant's back no matter what. The producers didn't like it because it cost them prize money/fed Richard's ego, but at the same time, Richard knew that the whole point of the game was for the contestants to relax, have fun, and win some money. I really think a lot of the stories about Richard Dawson being some monstrous egomaniac are either false or grossly exaggerated by Hollywood execs who thought they ruled the world. Watch Howie Felscher in the Family Feud doc on E! and tell me that's a reliable witness.
Gene: Patti will you show us your answer? Patti: I'm afraid! LOL, this is probably the funniest thing ever. Debralee and Richard made me laugh so hard, as did Charles. LOVE THEM ALL!!!!
But "finishing school" is a type of school, as is "scuba diving school" (which bizarrely, WAS accepted!). They're all types of school, therefore they are all correct.
Everyone is missing the reasoning the judge was using. A scuba diver would find pearls, which was the subject of Dora's stupidity; so there were two matches in that answer. "Night school" only has one match, and it's tenuous.
In fairness, it's not uncommon for British people to point at something with their middle finger, although I suspect that had someone questioned him, that would have been his cover story.
Asner and Brett's answers were technically correct, although not the exact word. Charles enclosed the word in a box, so it is a general and rightfully accepted. Debralee and Richard's answer, while specific, DID contain the word school, even though it's a grey area. Richard was correct. College is not the word 'school', but it is a higher form of the word. Patti's answer should have been accepted, as college classes could be scheduled at night, hence night school. Match Game's lax rules caused many problems. Take a look at the response in the final CBS episode. Gene said the contestant's answer had to be the exact match. She responded "Snug as a bug in a rug". Brett's answer was "Snug as a bug", and the judges accepted that answer.
@@jasonbeard4713 Since I wrote my comment 16 years ago (it just came up in my memories since you responded!), I've watched many episodes of MG on the Game Show Network, and they have been incredibly lax over the years. I saw answers that were far more diverse, rung up as matches. The contestant gave a blanket response which should have netted him 6 matches.
Scuba Diving School was accepted for School, yet Night School and Finishing School was not accepted for school?!? YET, a Party Girl is considered a Hooker? I've seen some bad judging calls in the past, but I think this was the worst of such cases. I'm just watching this episode right now on the GSN Marathon and I still can't believe it!
WoW. I'm with Richard when he said he couldn't believe it! If they allowed Scuba diving school, they should of allowed any kind of school. finishing school, night school, dance school, art school, charm school, the list could go on forever!! either the judges were idiots, or they really didnt want that guy to win!!
The best answer was finishing school. Since the pearls were cultured and back in that era, girls were sent to finishing school to BE cultured so they could catch a good husband.
Actually, Richard left Match Game to pursue hosting Family Feud full-time. Good catch with the middle finger, though. It definetely looks deliberate...and the censors missed it.
HERE`S my summary on it he (the contestant) said school, school could mean any type of school doesn`t matter thus he should of got all 6. Maybe the judge should go to judge school LOL
If I'm not mistaken, they invited the guy back on a later show, and admitted that it was a gaf not giving him credit for the three other points eh should have had
Really? How so? Was it the selection of the second question? Question 1 would always suck and one of the two round two questions would be a 6 out of 6 er and the other one would be "pick a number", just to try and prevent ties. Where was the fixing?
Come to think of it, how do the answers given relate to the mention of cultured pearls in the question? I guess "scuba diving school" (or "lessons") is the best answer.
The judging on this program was bizarre. This show was fun, but there was a fundamental problem with it. There was some prize money involved and yet NOBODY took the game seriously. Not even the judges.
Gene always seemed very neutral when it came to that. And really, with a show like this, you need him to be that way with the panelists and judge going at it.
According to Webster's Dictionary, "finishing school Function: noun Date: 1832 : a private school for girls that emphasizes cultural studies and prepares students especially for social activities" He should have got all 6. Night school is classes at night.
Gene Rayburn & Richard Dawson are my mom's top 2 favorites in The Game Show World. To see them have an argument was hilarious!... I wonder what would have happened if my top 2 favorites in The Game Show World had an argument... that'd be way cute!
I remember the B questions were always slam dunks, usually the punchlines to famous jokes. Almost on the level of "Why did the chicken cross the road? To get to the other (blank)."
The other factor that Ira forgot is that some of the panel use the play on words in the question, considering if you listen to the clip that Gene emphasized "Cultured pearls" hence Finishing School, Scuba Diving school, College which are play on words and fits his answer for Dumb Dora.
There's a reason why this is my favorite game show of all time, and this is it. Everyone fights for the answers to match the contestants, and sometimes, it gets downright weird.
The general rule, as I understood it, is that you can't match a general "school" with a specific, "Finishing School" and "Night School". They should NOT have accepted "Scuba Diving School". "College" on the other hand, being a general answer in itself, is an acceptable answer. The judges fouled up. I'm glad to hear they invited him back for another shot.
@hallpriest9 Sometimes the answers had to be exact & sometimes they could be very broad. This caused some contestants to protest that the judges would require more exact answers from contestants they deemed less attractive as a contestant & were offered to appear again on the PM version or another of the producer's shows. Eventually Match Game became more broad as far as excepting answers. Short answer for limited space.
The game shows at that time were under strict judging rules dating from the 50s Quiz Show scandals...Gene could NOT have overruled or have replaced the judge appointed by CBS Practices and standards.
As I recall this was the BIGGEST bone of contention between the judges, the panelists and the contests-trying to match a general answer with one that wasmore specific.
In case anyone was wondering, this contestant lost this game, but he was brought back during a later episode. I don't quite remember the outcome of that one.
It would have been interesting to see what would have happenedif all the "school" answers had come before the "college" answers. There was absolutely no logic to the judge's decisions.
My only possible explanation is that the judges were confused mid-way through and thought he said college, which is a specific type of school. Not trying to defend the judges, but trying to figure out how this could have happened
2:30 Not judges. A judge. My theory about how everything went off the rails is that the judge got pissed at the way Charles argued his case. (Spelling out school & talking down to him.) And then the judge decided to flex his authority w/Debralee & Richard. It was a battle of egos & the poor contestant was caught in the middle of it.
I wish we had more gameshows like this. They should consider revitalizing the Match Game, maybe put people like Regis Philbin, Bob Saget, all I can think of right now.
I was talking about the regulars (Gene, Richard before he left to host Family Feud, Brett, and Charles). Betty wasn't a regular, but she showed up a lot of times.
Finishing school is the same thing as college, and scuba diving + night school are both types of school. School is very general so every varient should be there.
Gene Rayburn was cool, but he never seemed to support the contestants very much. He took the "corporate" viewpoint more often when it came to matching.
The other factor that Ira (the idiot judge) forgot is that some of the panel use the play on words in the question, considering Gene emphasized "Cultured pearls" hence Finishing School, Scuba Diving school, College which are play on words and fits his answer.
Unfortunately, not they should not have. The rule was used multiple times throughout the series. No general to specific matches - so CNR's answer should have been disallowed as well, despite the stress on the term itself. College is a synonym of school, and is therefore acceptable. Rough, but it is consistent.
The judge probably did it that way because Charles added on Scuba as a joke while thinking of the answer school. Thusly the reason school is boxed in. Where as the other three were meant to be a bit more specific. But yes that DEFINATELY should have been 6/6.
I'm amazed at how they accepted some but rejected others which weren't really all that different. How weird. Anyway, I had loved the show as a kid but forgotten how it worked. I think it was pretty tough!
That is just unreal that CNR was able to reverse the decision and then Richard literally is in the same boat and what the hell, it’s not acceptable for him?
I really LOVE how "judge" asked Charles Nelson Riley 'did you mean school & his response was What does S.C.H.O.O.L spell!?! :)
I can NEVER get tired of watching this show over and over. Never seen this one. He should have got ALL 6!
Dumb Dora is SO dumb!
Yes I agree 😮
It was nice to see this clip in its entirety as opposed to bits and pieces that was shown on a game show special a few years back. This was classic, and Match Game is FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you!!!
Dawson gets a lot of crap for this little episode, but honestly, I think it was warranted. And he seems to be genuinely pissed that the contestant is getting screwed.
choclytgremlins He wanted the fair outcome on both MG and FF. If you want another prime example of bad judging look up Match Game 77 Richard Explodes Again. Its just like this. The contestant gave the answer of 'bag'. Some celebs wrote paper bag/sack which were considered matches. Richard wrote plastic baggie and was buzzed. Ira refused to match him since paper and plastic dont match. But the contestant never specified a particular bag. As long as its a bag shoudlnt it match???? Richard got a bit agitated that time too and rightly so.
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CULTURED pearls would certainly fit (go to) "finishing school" perfectly! And "night school" fits because of the idea of education. I think Charles was allowed because he circled "school", he's designated the main part of his answer that way before. The judge's decisions were outrageous, an exact answer wasn't required for first and second round questions.
My impression is that the Dawson/Producer conflicts on MG/FF came from the fact that Richard always had the contestant's back no matter what. The producers didn't like it because it cost them prize money/fed Richard's ego, but at the same time, Richard knew that the whole point of the game was for the contestants to relax, have fun, and win some money. I really think a lot of the stories about Richard Dawson being some monstrous egomaniac are either false or grossly exaggerated by Hollywood execs who thought they ruled the world. Watch Howie Felscher in the Family Feud doc on E! and tell me that's a reliable witness.
Dumb Dora is SO dumb!?
The contestant was invited back soon afterwards and won a 6-4 tiebreaker.
Gene: Patti will you show us your answer?
Patti: I'm afraid!
LOL, this is probably the funniest thing ever. Debralee and Richard made me laugh so hard, as did Charles. LOVE THEM ALL!!!!
Debralee and Richard started a riot.
They accepted College...they even accepted scuba diving school...but they would not take finishing or night school??? I call bullshit!
I like how Debralee and Richard were fighting for the contestant. He got screwed over.
I'm sure someone mentioned this, but I LOVE how Richard surreptitiously flips off the judge at 2:58.
One of the most wildest reactions to wrong answers. Loved it!
Right answers!
Love this show
Richard, Bret, Charles = CLASSIC TV
The judge needs to go to "judge school.
Ira was very well aware of his actions. They were on purpose and not fair in any regard.
But "finishing school" is a type of school, as is "scuba diving school" (which bizarrely, WAS accepted!). They're all types of school, therefore they are all correct.
The judge was so inconsistent it wasn't funny. How do you accept "scuba diving school" and not "finishing school" or "night school"?
Because Charles had the word "School" boxed in in his answer, but Debralee, Richard, and Patti did not. That's how the hilarious chaos happened.
College is not spelled school
Everyone is missing the reasoning the judge was using. A scuba diver would find pearls, which was the subject of Dora's stupidity; so there were two matches in that answer. "Night school" only has one match, and it's tenuous.
@@heddalee There was no reasoning, idiot.
Richard flipped the judges off at 2:57
William Fuselier LMAO
In fairness, it's not uncommon for British people to point at something with their middle finger, although I suspect that had someone questioned him, that would have been his cover story.
He did that often on the Feud too, I think it’s just the finger he points with
Dumb Dora is do dumb?
@@MegaZeldafan1 how dumb is she?
Game show chaos at its finest. A truly classic clip, thanks for sharing.
This is the greatest injustice in the history of the world.
The fair thing to have done would be to award everyone who had "school" in some form, and dock "college" giving the contestant four total.
I agree a thousand percent.
If it was that much of a judgement call issue, throw the question out and replace it.
I think the guy should have gotten all 6 matches. How the judge could decide "college" is the same as "school" but "school" is not, is beyond me.
Asner and Brett's answers were technically correct, although not the exact word. Charles enclosed the word in a box, so it is a general and rightfully accepted. Debralee and Richard's answer, while specific, DID contain the word school, even though it's a grey area. Richard was correct. College is not the word 'school', but it is a higher form of the word. Patti's answer should have been accepted, as college classes could be scheduled at night, hence night school. Match Game's lax rules caused many problems. Take a look at the response in the final CBS episode. Gene said the contestant's answer had to be the exact match. She responded "Snug as a bug in a rug". Brett's answer was "Snug as a bug", and the judges accepted that answer.
@@jasonbeard4713 Since I wrote my comment 16 years ago (it just came up in my memories since you responded!), I've watched many episodes of MG on the Game Show Network, and they have been incredibly lax over the years. I saw answers that were far more diverse, rung up as matches. The contestant gave a blanket response which should have netted him 6 matches.
Scuba Diving School was accepted for School, yet Night School and Finishing School was not accepted for school?!? YET, a Party Girl is considered a Hooker? I've seen some bad judging calls in the past, but I think this was the worst of such cases. I'm just watching this episode right now on the GSN Marathon and I still can't believe it!
Scuba diving was allowed because a diver would find pearls. The other answers were only vaguely useful.
College got accepted
WoW. I'm with Richard when he said he couldn't believe it! If they allowed Scuba diving school, they should of allowed any kind of school. finishing school, night school, dance school, art school, charm school, the list could go on forever!! either the judges were idiots, or they really didnt want that guy to win!!
2:56 Yeah! You give them the finger, Richard!
STUPID JUDGE!! THAT CONTESTANT GOT ALL SIX MATCHES!!!!!
They should have threw the whole question out and started again.
Ira was the producer and he made them suffer through his little mind games when he felt like playing them...
@@KingMacintosh2Ira is so awful! I understand why Richard wanted out
A classic indeed! Even TV Guide recognized it as a fantastic clip!
Terrible judging. The question should have been tossed out and replaced.
Or just correct the judge's error and give the contestant credit for the additional three correct answers on the bottom row.
Definitely.
Wild clip! And that guy should've gotten 6 for 6!
The best answer was finishing school. Since the pearls were cultured and back in that era, girls were sent to finishing school to BE cultured so they could catch a good husband.
Agreed. Either that or all the answers should have been rejected.
I'm with Richard and the other 2! They should have given it to him!!!
He got hosed. The telling sign was the last answer "night school" which is of course..still SCHOOL!! in it's purest form :)
Actually, there was ONE judge on "Match Game" - producer Ira Skutch, and this was probably the BIGGEST mistake during his time on the show!
Actually, Richard left Match Game to pursue hosting Family Feud full-time. Good catch with the middle finger, though. It definetely looks deliberate...and the censors missed it.
can you imagine what if the panel walks off the set due to this
HERE`S my summary on it he (the contestant) said school, school could mean any type of school doesn`t matter thus he should of got all 6. Maybe the judge should go to judge school LOL
The scoring system on Who's Line is it Anyway has more credibility
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They should have at least brought him back for another chance. That would have been the fair thing to do.
brickmanonj they did if memory serves me right.
For those who don't know, I have found out that one of the panelists in this, Brett Somers, has passed away just recently. She was 83. RIP, Brett.
Both Charles and Brett passed away in the same year. 2007.Brett in December. CNR in May.
Match Game is more than just a game show. That's truth.
Sweet :) I don't think he did that deliberately, some people point with the middle finger. Nice job noticing
aint that the truth, bottom line he got screwed
If I'm not mistaken, they invited the guy back on a later show, and admitted that it was a gaf not giving him credit for the three other points eh should have had
If the judge gave him Scuba Diving School he should have gave him both finishing and night school as well. Either that or take away the colleges.
"I think you gotta take the 'College' from 'em as well, then we'll REALLY have a riot!"
Love seeing how much fun Debralee was having inciting the riot
The late Mark Goodson and Bill Todman sure did that to poor Ira.
Match Game was notorious for being one of the most fixed shows since the late-50's scandals. This shouldn't surprise anyone.
Really? How so? Was it the selection of the second question? Question 1 would always suck and one of the two round two questions would be a 6 out of 6 er and the other one would be "pick a number", just to try and prevent ties. Where was the fixing?
Come to think of it, how do the answers given relate to the mention of cultured pearls in the question? I guess "scuba diving school" (or "lessons") is the best answer.
If I was Goodson, I would've been there that day and Ira would've been out of his MG job.
Ira was either a producer or executive producer. You can find his exact title in the credits. He may have yielded a lot of clout.
The judging on this program was bizarre. This show was fun, but there was a fundamental problem with it. There was some prize money involved and yet NOBODY took the game seriously. Not even the judges.
Shame on Ira Skutch!
Gene always seemed very neutral when it came to that. And really, with a show like this, you need him to be that way with the panelists and judge going at it.
I think this judge is currently employed as a National Football League referee.
The judge was the producer. He wouldn't fire himself.
According to Webster's Dictionary, "finishing school
Function: noun
Date: 1832
: a private school for girls that emphasizes cultural studies and prepares students especially for social activities" He should have got all 6. Night school is classes at night.
"QUIET!" LOL!
Hey! Teacher, leave those kids alone!
School is school! What were the judges on, and can I have some?
electricalparade LOL!! Trust me, YOU DON’T WANT IT.
Anyone have the clip that would show us what became of this after the commercial break, and what the score turned out to be?
Gene Rayburn & Richard Dawson are my mom's top 2 favorites in The Game Show World. To see them have an argument was hilarious!... I wonder what would have happened if my top 2 favorites in The Game Show World had an argument... that'd be way cute!
I remember the B questions were always slam dunks, usually the punchlines to famous jokes. Almost on the level of "Why did the chicken cross the road? To get to the other (blank)."
Betty was a semi-regular, along with the late Debralee Scott and Patti Deutsch on this clip.
The other factor that Ira forgot is that some of the panel use the play on words in the question, considering if you listen to the clip that Gene emphasized "Cultured pearls" hence Finishing School, Scuba Diving school, College which are play on words and fits his answer for Dumb Dora.
@stargate121 Very subtle when doing so, don't you think? No one else caught it apparently.
There's a reason why this is my favorite game show of all time, and this is it. Everyone fights for the answers to match the contestants, and sometimes, it gets downright weird.
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Well.. not everyone. Some of them came up with stupid answers just go get laughs.
The contestant was gorgeous!
The general rule, as I understood it, is that you can't match a general "school" with a specific, "Finishing School" and "Night School". They should NOT have accepted "Scuba Diving School". "College" on the other hand, being a general answer in itself, is an acceptable answer. The judges fouled up. I'm glad to hear they invited him back for another shot.
whenever there's a dumb dora question, dora the explorer comes to mind
I mean she was kind of dumb. Asking where the bridge was when it was right behind her 🙄
This contestant was ripped off.
School is school...no matter what type of school it is
I wonder if any network execs had to deal with this. this has shades of quiz show scandal over it
Oh my goodness Richard Dawson is just a stone cold fox
@hallpriest9 Sometimes the answers had to be exact & sometimes they could be very broad. This caused some contestants to protest that the judges would require more exact answers from contestants they deemed less attractive as a contestant & were offered to appear again on the PM version or another of the producer's shows. Eventually Match Game became more broad as far as excepting answers. Short answer for limited space.
The subtle irony in the inconsistent judging was just plain bizarre.
Debralee is HOT
I know this is really old, and I'm not sure if it's been said, but I read somewhere that the contestant was allowed to return for another episode
The game shows at that time were under strict judging rules dating from the 50s Quiz Show scandals...Gene could NOT have overruled or have replaced the judge appointed by CBS Practices and standards.
As I recall this was the BIGGEST bone of contention between the judges, the panelists and the contests-trying to match a general answer with one that wasmore specific.
Charles was onto something with "Scuba diving school," if you recall the cultured pearls in the question.
Family Feud started in '76 two years before he left Match Game
In case anyone was wondering, this contestant lost this game, but he was brought back during a later episode. I don't quite remember the outcome of that one.
That's a common occurrence if they feel there was some inconsistency or mistake in a ruling
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It would have been interesting to see what would have happenedif all the "school" answers had come before the "college" answers. There was absolutely no logic to the judge's decisions.
My only possible explanation is that the judges were confused mid-way through and thought he said college, which is a specific type of school. Not trying to defend the judges, but trying to figure out how this could have happened
2:30 Not judges. A judge. My theory about how everything went off the rails is that the judge got pissed at the way Charles argued his case. (Spelling out school & talking down to him.) And then the judge decided to flex his authority w/Debralee & Richard. It was a battle of egos & the poor contestant was caught in the middle of it.
I wish we had more gameshows like this. They should consider revitalizing the Match Game, maybe put people like Regis Philbin, Bob Saget, all I can think of right now.
I was talking about the regulars (Gene, Richard before he left to host Family Feud, Brett, and Charles). Betty wasn't a regular, but she showed up a lot of times.
@GreenDeathFlavor Well, the reason for accepting "College" could stem from the use of "school" to sometimes mean "college".
What cracks me up...is the game show was Gene Rayburn's creation. He was pretty much the judge on that show.
@Gnillob802 just curious do you have any proof to back up this statement?
Yeah - I noticed the middle finger: Not so subtle and probably why the judges didn't reverse their decision.
Finishing school is the same thing as college, and scuba diving + night school are both types of school. School is very general so every varient should be there.
Gene Rayburn was cool, but he never seemed to support the contestants very much. He took the "corporate" viewpoint more often when it came to matching.
Just commented on that. Could be, for reasons we may never know, he needed to be diplomatic to the "corporate" view.
One word:CLASSIC!!!!!
The other factor that Ira (the idiot judge) forgot is that some of the panel use the play on words in the question, considering Gene emphasized "Cultured pearls" hence Finishing School, Scuba Diving school, College which are play on words and fits his answer.
If I recall correctly, he did lose this one - but was invited back within a couple of weeks (and lost again).
Unfortunately, not they should not have. The rule was used multiple times throughout the series. No general to specific matches - so CNR's answer should have been disallowed as well, despite the stress on the term itself. College is a synonym of school, and is therefore acceptable. Rough, but it is consistent.
Yeah, I'm wondering too, what happened after?
@AnnacondaVice LOL!!!! I caught that!!!! That was funny! I don't blame him though, that wasn't a fair call
The judge probably did it that way because Charles added on Scuba as a joke while thinking of the answer school. Thusly the reason school is boxed in. Where as the other three were meant to be a bit more specific. But yes that DEFINATELY should have been 6/6.
"First victim of school riot. Man with shirt inside out. Found on school steps"
I'm amazed at how they accepted some but rejected others which weren't really all that different. How weird. Anyway, I had loved the show as a kid but forgotten how it worked. I think it was pretty tough!
That is just unreal that CNR was able to reverse the decision and then Richard literally is in the same boat and what the hell, it’s not acceptable for him?