Thank you to the hardworking crew at A Better official. I look forward to your videos in and out of season! Your team is very informative and has become a valuable source of officiating instruction from your posts to the comments. I am better for it and the players I officiate enjoy a greater game as a result. I send new officials and parents alike to your site for instruction, information and understanding. Keep up the great work! The next Cup-of-Joe, is on me!
Once again, great stuff! I liked that you made it interactive now too, that was a nice deal! I always get so much from these videos. Keep up the good work.
Greg Austin, great job my friend! Rule based content with great video clips for visual learners. As a trainer, I can confidently recommend your channel to my officials knowing they will get solid rule/case based information to make them better officials. Keep doing what you do and if you ever need clips, let me know and I'll help if I can. JP Patterson
4:45 play one. If you rule the intentional foul is after the shot is released, does the offended team get to run the end line on the throw in after the free throws?
Greg, just was browsing an old video (if you remember) when the incorrect call was made on the shooter fumbling the ball on his shot. You did state "legal play" but what can he do once recovering the ball while it was in the air? 2nd: what can a player do if the ball hits the floor before he gets possession? Thanks
So on the second play, say we had called the travel (and YES he did travel. pivoted off the right foot, and replanted it), then it becomes an Intentional Technical or a Flagrant Tech correct?
Play 5- I think you’re reading into the “throwing the player down” after the first dunk, too much. The airborne player must be able to return to the floor unimpeded and quite frankly, this should have been an And 1. Body contact and arm contact from primary and secondary defenders. This would have ended it. On player 5, this is a flagrant with intent to injure, automatic ejection. Signed, sealed and delivered.
Totally agree. Also, if you called the and-one, you should also call the illegal contact on the dribbler before he lost the ball. Apparently the players can't handle the physicality which the refs allowed.
Nice video, very good reminders! I really like how you always remind everyone to slow down and ensure everyone is on the same page. Especially on plays like these. I know that feeling of wanting to get to the table to report asap. I always have to remind myself that there is no rush. The game isn't going to start without you, haha. For play #5... Would you gather the coaches to let them know what was called if it ended up being a flagrant foul?
I could certainly see gathering coaches to explain the ruling, though it's not really a complicated ruling. If we had foul, dead ball technical, coach technical or some other sort of layered play, then definitely. Since this is a 'one event' situation probably not necessary, although I do encourage officials to get 'reps' at bringing coaches together, so that when the shit really hits the fan we are practiced.
Last play probably is a Flagrant Tech and an ejection. COrrect in that the officials need to get together, send the players to their benches and get that correct.
A Better Official my area has assigners but I just received my certification. I’m having a hard time getting scheduled because I don’t have any real officiating experience and it is the end of the season.
On Play 1, red player made a basket, red 5 and white 30 on a rebounding action. So, in this case, is it count the basket, intentional foul on red 5, two free throws awarded to white team, plus ball position to the point of interruption or no basket, intentional foul on red 5, awarded two free throws awarded to white team plus ball possession?
You must make a judgement (as a crew) as to whether the try for goal had been released (out of the hand) prior to the foul. Remember, continuous motion only applies to defensive fouls. In this case, ball is gone, so score the goal and administer the intentional foul.
On play 2, why disregard travelling if you are 100% certain it occurred before the hard foul? And if you do call travelling, what ruling, if any, should be given to the excessive contact?
I thought about that too, but the thing is, you aren't allowed to have contact like that at any time, no matter what preceded it. You can't just clock a guy right after he commits a violation, right? So, if you want to call the travel on Red #5, fine, but then you have a dead ball technical foul on White #21 immediately afterwards. It's a dead ball because of the travel, but the resulting penalty will be similar (although not exactly the same): Red gets two free throws (by ANY player or sub) with the lane cleared, then Red ball out of bounds at the division line. If the travel is not called, then this is a live ball intentional foul on White 21, so the penalty would be two free throws for Red #5 with the lane cleared, then Red ball out of bounds near where the foul occurred (endline next to lane line). I suppose the biggest difference between calling the travel or not is the fact that White #21 ends up with a technical if you say there was a travel first--that's worse for him than just an intentional foul because if he gets another T later in the game, he is DQ'd. Greg, what say you?
Greg, Can you correct some confusion for me? Say A1 undercuts B1 going up for a dunk. So A1 is charged with an intentional foul. B1 gets up stares him down calls him a wimp but uses NSFW language and A1 taunts B1 in the midst of this. Is A1 disqualified? It might have changed since I played (I don’t have this problem coaching my 7th graders). I thought if you accrued a player technical foul and an intentional foul you were disqualified. Can you clarify?
A little confused by your text. Addressing the last part, no, accrual of multiple of these fouls does not mean disqualification. 4 intentional fouls would not. 1 technical & 2 intentionals would not 2 technicals would 1 flagrant would.
@@BetterOfficials I know in the NBA you can’t carry both and stay in the game that’s why I asked. In the NBA a Flagrant 1 (our intentional), and an Unsportsmanlike Technical Foul, is means for ejection.
@@BetterOfficials Ball becomes dead once it passes through the ring, and does not become live again until it is at the disposal of the thrower. So, the correct call would be a (dead ball) technical foul on Black 20--2 shots for White with the lane cleared, then White ball at the division line.
On play 5, [1] player on black dunks, throws his opponent to the floor. Is it a common foul technical foul or intentional foul on a black player? [2] on a break away play, the black player tries for a dunk and the white 5 pushes hard, is it an flagrant foul on a white 5 and ejection?
1.) ball becomes dead after a made basket, so you would have a dead ball technical foul. (2.) In high school, there is no flagrant foul, it's either a technical or an intentional. those are our only options. if he had thrown a punch, then you would have an ejection. this is just a really hard foul w/ excessive contact, so you would go intentional.
And yes... I would toss white 5 for excessive contact. I don’t want anything retaliatory from black, and ,more importantly, I don’t want more of the same from 5.
Greg:Question? On play 4 : I thought it should be player control foul. the defender got verticality, its Legal Guard Position. Correct me, if I am wrong
I disagree. Go back and watch again. Watch the left heel (light green shoes) Does that give you a clue that the defender moves towards the offensive player, rather than staying in their vertical plane?
On the point of foul, with play 3? Should it be an intentional foul, if the coach is telling his players to foul? The coach should know his players knowing how the player may be fouled.Eexperienced or not? kid in white could have knocked his head on the floor.
Hi Joseph, End of game fouling is an accepted part of high school basketball. The execution by this player was poor. Case play 4.19.3 SITUATION D: Late in the fourth quarter Team B is trailing by six points. Team B's head coach begins to yell to his or her players to "foul, foul, foul!" B1 responds by (a) grabbing A1 from behind, or (b) reaching for the ball but illegally contacting A1 on the arm. RULING: In (a), an intentional foul shall be ruled. In (b), a common foul shall be ruled as B1 was making a legitimate attempt to "play the ball." COMMENT: Fouling near the end of a game is an acceptable coaching and playing strategy. Officials must determine if a foul is intentional by judging the fouling act itself, not whether or not the coach instructed a player to perform the act.
Okay, I repeated it three times in the video. What was the phrase used to describe what the penalty is? the part with the asterisk in it. My goal in doing so was to make that an automatic response because that is always the penalty. With one little exception and that's what the asterisk was. So any scenario you could describe be a three-point shooter excessive contact on him and the ball goes in what's the result use the phrase that I ordered three times offensive player swings and elbow intentionally and hits the defender what's the penalty? Use that phrase it's always the answer
Thank you to the hardworking crew at A Better official. I look forward to your videos in and out of season! Your team is very informative and has become a valuable source of officiating instruction from your posts to the comments. I am better for it and the players I officiate enjoy a greater game as a result. I send new officials and parents alike to your site for instruction, information and understanding. Keep up the great work! The next Cup-of-Joe, is on me!
Wow! Thank you so much for the kind words. It's great to know we have an impact on the officiating community. Thank you.
Here here! Keep up the good work Greg!
do have a video that discusses Technical, Intentional, and Flagrant fouls - and the differences of these calls?
Such a valuable resource to understand the inner workings of the game.
Once again, great stuff! I liked that you made it interactive now too, that was a nice deal! I always get so much from these videos. Keep up the good work.
Greg Austin, great job my friend! Rule based content with great video clips for visual learners. As a trainer, I can confidently recommend your channel to my officials knowing they will get solid rule/case based information to make them better officials. Keep doing what you do and if you ever need clips, let me know and I'll help if I can.
JP Patterson
Thanks, JP!! Clip submission opportunities coming soon!
4:45 play one. If you rule the intentional foul is after the shot is released, does the offended team get to run the end line on the throw in after the free throws?
Greg, just was browsing an old video (if you remember) when the incorrect call was made on the shooter fumbling the ball on his shot. You did state "legal play" but what can he do once recovering the ball while it was in the air? 2nd: what can a player do if the ball hits the floor before he gets possession? Thanks
So on the second play, say we had called the travel (and YES he did travel. pivoted off the right foot, and replanted it), then it becomes an Intentional Technical or a Flagrant Tech correct?
Play 5- I think you’re reading into the “throwing the player down” after the first dunk, too much. The airborne player must be able to return to the floor unimpeded and quite frankly, this should have been an And 1. Body contact and arm contact from primary and secondary defenders. This would have ended it. On player 5, this is a flagrant with intent to injure, automatic ejection. Signed, sealed and delivered.
You are exactly right !
Facts
Totally agree. Also, if you called the and-one, you should also call the illegal contact on the dribbler before he lost the ball. Apparently the players can't handle the physicality which the refs allowed.
14:52 even if the ball is in his hand wouldn't his habitual motion be allowed to continue?
Nice video, very good reminders!
I really like how you always remind everyone to slow down and ensure everyone is on the same page. Especially on plays like these. I know that feeling of wanting to get to the table to report asap. I always have to remind myself that there is no rush. The game isn't going to start without you, haha.
For play #5... Would you gather the coaches to let them know what was called if it ended up being a flagrant foul?
I could certainly see gathering coaches to explain the ruling, though it's not really a complicated ruling. If we had foul, dead ball technical, coach technical or some other sort of layered play, then definitely. Since this is a 'one event' situation probably not necessary, although I do encourage officials to get 'reps' at bringing coaches together, so that when the shit really hits the fan we are practiced.
Last play probably is a Flagrant Tech and an ejection. COrrect in that the officials need to get together, send the players to their benches and get that correct.
Could you post a video explaining how to get scheduled for games?
Hi David, where are you located? Do officials have an assignor(s) or contact schools directly?
A Better Official my area has assigners but I just received my certification. I’m having a hard time getting scheduled because I don’t have any real officiating experience and it is the end of the season.
A Better Official I’m also located in Michigan.
Flagrant ejection.
On Play 1, red player made a basket, red 5 and white 30 on a rebounding action. So, in this case, is it count the basket, intentional foul on red 5, two free throws awarded to white team, plus ball position to the point of interruption or no basket, intentional foul on red 5, awarded two free throws awarded to white team plus ball possession?
You must make a judgement (as a crew) as to whether the try for goal had been released (out of the hand) prior to the foul. Remember, continuous motion only applies to defensive fouls.
In this case, ball is gone, so score the goal and administer the intentional foul.
Thank you very much, Chief Greg Austin...
Obviously, this play was aggressive and should be a DQ situation(flagrant 2).
On play 2, why disregard travelling if you are 100% certain it occurred before the hard foul? And if you do call travelling, what ruling, if any, should be given to the excessive contact?
I thought about that too, but the thing is, you aren't allowed to have contact like that at any time, no matter what preceded it. You can't just clock a guy right after he commits a violation, right? So, if you want to call the travel on Red #5, fine, but then you have a dead ball technical foul on White #21 immediately afterwards. It's a dead ball because of the travel, but the resulting penalty will be similar (although not exactly the same): Red gets two free throws (by ANY player or sub) with the lane cleared, then Red ball out of bounds at the division line.
If the travel is not called, then this is a live ball intentional foul on White 21, so the penalty would be two free throws for Red #5 with the lane cleared, then Red ball out of bounds near where the foul occurred (endline next to lane line).
I suppose the biggest difference between calling the travel or not is the fact that White #21 ends up with a technical if you say there was a travel first--that's worse for him than just an intentional foul because if he gets another T later in the game, he is DQ'd.
Greg, what say you?
Greg,
Can you correct some confusion for me? Say A1 undercuts B1 going up for a dunk. So A1 is charged with an intentional foul. B1 gets up stares him down calls him a wimp but uses NSFW language and A1 taunts B1 in the midst of this. Is A1 disqualified? It might have changed since I played (I don’t have this problem coaching my 7th graders). I thought if you accrued a player technical foul and an intentional foul you were disqualified. Can you clarify?
A little confused by your text. Addressing the last part, no, accrual of multiple of these fouls does not mean disqualification.
4 intentional fouls would not.
1 technical & 2 intentionals would not
2 technicals would
1 flagrant would.
@@BetterOfficials I know in the NBA you can’t carry both and stay in the game that’s why I asked. In the NBA a Flagrant 1 (our intentional), and an Unsportsmanlike Technical Foul, is means for ejection.
On play 5, could you call a foul on black 20 for throwing down white 5 after the dunk attempt?
Yes.
What kind of foul would it be?
Think: status of the ball.
Shot counts, so its a loose ball foul. Bonus shots if necessary.
@@Joekuh What is the status of the ball? Live or dead?
I can guarantee that there will not be BONUS shots.
@@BetterOfficials Ball becomes dead once it passes through the ring, and does not become live again until it is at the disposal of the thrower. So, the correct call would be a (dead ball) technical foul on Black 20--2 shots for White with the lane cleared, then White ball at the division line.
What happens if the shot goes in and you have an intentional foul
On play 5,
[1] player on black dunks, throws his opponent to the floor. Is it a common foul technical foul or intentional foul on a black player?
[2] on a break away play, the black player tries for a dunk and the white 5 pushes hard, is it an flagrant foul on a white 5 and ejection?
In determining the answer to your first part of your question, when does the ball become dead? Does this contact occur as a live ball or dead ball?
1.) ball becomes dead after a made basket, so you would have a dead ball technical foul. (2.) In high school, there is no flagrant foul, it's either a technical or an intentional. those are our only options. if he had thrown a punch, then you would have an ejection. this is just a really hard foul w/ excessive contact, so you would go intentional.
4-19-4 describes what constitutes a flagrant foul. It is in NFHS rules.
From 4-19-4:
A flagrant foul may be a personal or technical foul of a violent or excessive nature
And yes... I would toss white 5 for excessive contact. I don’t want anything retaliatory from black, and ,more importantly, I don’t want more of the same from 5.
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Greg:Question?
On play 4 : I thought it should be player control foul. the defender got verticality, its Legal Guard Position.
Correct me, if I am wrong
I disagree. Go back and watch again. Watch the left heel (light green shoes)
Does that give you a clue that the defender moves towards the offensive player, rather than staying in their vertical plane?
On the point of foul, with play 3? Should it be an intentional foul, if the coach is telling his players to foul? The coach should know his players knowing how the player may be fouled.Eexperienced or not? kid in white could have knocked his head on the floor.
Hi Joseph,
End of game fouling is an accepted part of high school basketball. The execution by this player was poor.
Case play 4.19.3 SITUATION D:
Late in the fourth quarter Team B is trailing by six points. Team B's head coach begins to yell to his or her players to "foul, foul, foul!" B1 responds by
(a) grabbing A1 from behind, or
(b) reaching for the ball but illegally contacting A1 on the arm.
RULING: In
(a), an intentional foul shall be ruled. In
(b), a common foul shall be ruled as B1 was making a legitimate attempt to "play the ball."
COMMENT: Fouling near the end of a game is an acceptable coaching and playing strategy. Officials must determine if a foul is intentional by judging the fouling act itself, not whether or not the coach instructed a player to perform the act.
Is intentional foul Always lead to 2 free throws. If the play was away from the basket . For exemple. outside 3pr line
Okay, I repeated it three times in the video. What was the phrase used to describe what the penalty is? the part with the asterisk in it.
My goal in doing so was to make that an automatic response because that is always the penalty. With one little exception and that's what the asterisk was. So any scenario you could describe be a three-point shooter excessive contact on him and the ball goes in what's the result use the phrase that I ordered three times offensive player swings and elbow intentionally and hits the defender what's the penalty? Use that phrase it's always the answer
no! a three-point try ...would be 3 free throw attempts
@@truckie118 How many free-throws if the ball goes in? How many if it misses?
First!
Was still putting finishing touches on it! Quick!
@@BetterOfficials just gonna say, you're a liar. Today's Monday...not Friday ;)