It's funny to me you talking about how resilient the one card combo with ostinato is. Melodious has a bunch of term connected to music which can be often found to be italian words. "Ostinato" literally means "stubborn" or in a similar fashion can be used to talk about someone who doesn't care about others opinion but just keeps thinking/going his own way
A great video, this is definitely the LEDE archetype I’m most interested in (followed by Raika), and I’ve been practicing with it as well to get prepared for release. My latest tweak of the deck looks a lot like yours. (Though I am also looking at a Supreme King Melodious build in addition to a pure one 👀) An interesting deck building problem I ran into is that you can’t have monsters on the field at the start of your first turn, nor can you special summon if you want all your Melodious options, which means you can’t use Bystials, Nibiru, Kaiju/Sphere/Golem, etc… I thought the Psyframe handtraps could work with Melodious, since they banish themselves before your turn starts. They can even be live if you go first/draw into it: Etoile can bounce a monster back into the hand, then you have no monsters on field, allowing Gamma/Delta to be useable again if the opponent tries to recover with a Spell/Effect, which is something I don’t think many decks can do.
For sure, you’re stuck with the simple handtraps that don’t summon anything(aside from psyframes). Or board breakers like droplet that won’t conflict with those 2 big restrictions
now that prosp is limited im using 1 prosp and 2 desires with 2 talents as well and also temtem and fusion substitute for more draws and runmning 2 concertos since i dont run 1st movement solo in my deck since i dont own it but if you run 3 small world what would be the bridges?
@@Murasane light kaijus (most likely only good at a locals), archfiend eccentric, effect veiler, just about any light monster that’s decent. Lots of people were teaching in random things when Mathmech circular first came out. Almost anything they used would probably work
For the first combo you should probably have dumped Aria with Refrain and used Shopinas last add back to add her back (to then pend summon) instead of adding back Soprano.
Looking into small bystial engine. Lubellion plays around the Melodious Lock from solo and the light lock from Shopina. Its good if you start your turn with it or if you draw it at the end of the combo. At the end of the combo you can go Lubellion effect, add Druiswurm(or Baldrake), pend out Soprano, Soprano and Shopina for I:P. During enemy's turn use Druiswurm on a monster in either graveyard. I:P effect for S:P. Activate S:P on summon effect and Druiswurm gy effect. It's conditional and you do lose a bounce if you didn't have an extra Melodious in hand but it squeezes a couple more point of interaction/pops. Bystial+Level 4 Melodious also make Choas Angel with both effects.
Bystials I think are unplayable in the deck. If you summon them on your opponents turn when you’re going second, then you can’t activate 1st movement solo or ostinato. If you want to summon them on your turn, then you can’t activate 1st movement solo or bloom harmonist that entire turn. Conflicts too much with the decks restrictions.
watched your first combo. Why not use refrain to send aria to grave, add it to hand with shopina, then pen summon it for protection and an extra bounce?
1:49 you definitely cant bell the first line that’s like trying to ash fenrir banish effect. Even the second line I don’t believe is an effect in the sense that bell can stop it.
Question: Does anyone know the ruling of ABC Buster Dragon tagging out under Skill Drain vs if Flowering Etoile the Melodious Grand Choir works under skill drain the same way?
Yeah there’s multiple ways to make it work still. It’s not gonna be as good through handtraps, but you can pitch it off bloom harmonist/send for concert, then reborn it later
Any reason the combos never involve Aria and Elegy? Wouldn't they be good in a duel with Tenpai Dragon for example? Tenpai would be kinda stuck if they can't deal with your monsters in defense. I'd like to hear your thoughts on Aria and Elegy Lock in general. EDIT: Have you also considered Opera in the deck as a way to gain protection as a side card going second?
The main focus for this video was specifically handtraps & how to work through them. I think elegy is kinda bad, so I don’t play it. Also think opera is pretty bad as well. I do like aria though. Gonna do an in depth deck profile and more content when these cards actually come out in tcg
@@Keurgui1 dark ruler no more or forbidden droplet into an evenly would really wreck that board and a lot of people in my locals all play those cards especially in main deck like people who play 60 cards branded piles
Quick question: how much do we need 1st moviment solo? I'm a bit hesintent about buying it because it's a bit expensive rn (15€ in NM condition) and i'm unsure if I should get them or not. Maybe 2 copies of it could work?
remember, you don't have to always play a full power decklist. it indeed is suboptimal but you can still do the same things. in this case you just have less starters. it's roughly 74% vs 57% (or 63% if you have one 1st movement) chance of opening a starter in hand so it's not that terrible if the price of those is stopping you
Essentially, Bacha has an effect that says your Melodious effects cannot be negated. But if you negate the monster's effects with Imperm, you negate the effect that would give negation protection. If Bacha is not impermed but another Melodious like Shopina gets its effects negated, I think Shopina can still resolve its effects but I am not entirely sure on that one. I believe Bacha still resolves if ash'd because that would try and negate a Melodious effect without negating the card.
“Ostinato does not lose to a single handtrap” **activates ash joyues** Now i think what he shouldve said is that Melodious the deck itself doesnt lose to any handtraps. Due to all the not optimal extenders and ostinato being a one card combo u can simply use ostinato as bait and if they dont negate it then its ggs from there even if they were to nib ur 4 summon would already by the new fusion which can just banish all ur melodious off the field so they wont get nibbed making nibiru fizzle. And they would come back on ep or sp and just trigger all their summon effects again reboot u with hella follow ups.
Bloom Prima is a Game Ender card alongside Bloom Harmonist. It can attack twice and with link arrowed by Harmonist, The opponent cannot activate card till the end of the damage step. Alongside Card booster like Sonata and Elegy, She can be deadly
Actually play test the deck against real opposition. Depending on the build and granted I played Melodious with other Engines like Shaddoll, Branded and Invoked through years of playing the deck, maximum copies apiece of 1st Movement and Ostinato is just a brick as they clash in the starting hand. My upcoming build post Legacy of Destruction is built around swarming the field for the Bloom Prima OTK, so I’d definitely look to play 3 Ostinatos and the single copy of 1st Movement. Additionally, with Canon and Sonata’s special summon ability especially, 1st movement doesn’t seem all too necessary especially if you are going the more aggressive build.
I’m playing 3 & 3 7 days a week, twice on Sunday. I want one of those in hand no matter what. They’re the best cards in the deck so they’re popular negate targets, having one through ash or omnis going second is worth the potential of seeing 2 in my opinion. I’d rather see 2 than none🤷🏼♂️
![BROKEN MELODIOUS COMBO! 1 CARD BEATS IMPERM!? [post LEDE]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/p-3qmBrKdbw/mqdefault.jpg)
It's funny to me you talking about how resilient the one card combo with ostinato is. Melodious has a bunch of term connected to music which can be often found to be italian words. "Ostinato" literally means "stubborn" or in a similar fashion can be used to talk about someone who doesn't care about others opinion but just keeps thinking/going his own way
thats so awesome
Incredible
thats probably where the word obstinate came from since that means something similar
A great video, this is definitely the LEDE archetype I’m most interested in (followed by Raika), and I’ve been practicing with it as well to get prepared for release. My latest tweak of the deck looks a lot like yours. (Though I am also looking at a Supreme King Melodious build in addition to a pure one 👀)
An interesting deck building problem I ran into is that you can’t have monsters on the field at the start of your first turn, nor can you special summon if you want all your Melodious options, which means you can’t use Bystials, Nibiru, Kaiju/Sphere/Golem, etc… I thought the Psyframe handtraps could work with Melodious, since they banish themselves before your turn starts. They can even be live if you go first/draw into it: Etoile can bounce a monster back into the hand, then you have no monsters on field, allowing Gamma/Delta to be useable again if the opponent tries to recover with a Spell/Effect, which is something I don’t think many decks can do.
For sure, you’re stuck with the simple handtraps that don’t summon anything(aside from psyframes). Or board breakers like droplet that won’t conflict with those 2 big restrictions
Have you tried small world in the deck? Yes it’s a minus, but this is a 1-card combo deck.
I’ve seen it, but I feel that with 3 prosp we should be consistent enough
now that prosp is limited im using 1 prosp and 2 desires with 2 talents as well and also temtem and fusion substitute for more draws and runmning 2 concertos since i dont run 1st movement solo in my deck since i dont own it but if you run 3 small world what would be the bridges?
@@Murasane light kaijus (most likely only good at a locals), archfiend eccentric, effect veiler, just about any light monster that’s decent. Lots of people were teaching in random things when Mathmech circular first came out. Almost anything they used would probably work
For the first combo you should probably have dumped Aria with Refrain and used Shopinas last add back to add her back (to then pend summon) instead of adding back Soprano.
Totally fair, was more focused on just beating the handtraps in general, not where you take the final endboard
Looking into small bystial engine. Lubellion plays around the Melodious Lock from solo and the light lock from Shopina. Its good if you start your turn with it or if you draw it at the end of the combo.
At the end of the combo you can go Lubellion effect, add Druiswurm(or Baldrake), pend out Soprano, Soprano and Shopina for I:P. During enemy's turn use Druiswurm on a monster in either graveyard. I:P effect for S:P. Activate S:P on summon effect and Druiswurm gy effect. It's conditional and you do lose a bounce if you didn't have an extra Melodious in hand but it squeezes a couple more point of interaction/pops.
Bystial+Level 4 Melodious also make Choas Angel with both effects.
Bystials I think are unplayable in the deck. If you summon them on your opponents turn when you’re going second, then you can’t activate 1st movement solo or ostinato. If you want to summon them on your turn, then you can’t activate 1st movement solo or bloom harmonist that entire turn. Conflicts too much with the decks restrictions.
I can’t find the solo moviment card anywhere, I need to buy it to complete my build of this deck (and wait till april for the new support)
Yeah, bought out like crazy. Lucky to have a playset already
@@JustNutzProd I don’t know, maybe they will get some reprints soon
watched your first combo. Why not use refrain to send aria to grave, add it to hand with shopina, then pen summon it for protection and an extra bounce?
My exact thought and even get a free draw with the protection!
it doesn't matter if movement Solo hit at two again it just doesn't matter and I should know because I am also a Melodoius player
What if you draw schupina??
1:49 you definitely cant bell the first line that’s like trying to ash fenrir banish effect. Even the second line I don’t believe is an effect in the sense that bell can stop it.
Belle can negate Ostinato.
Why do you not play small world?
Effect Veiler is the bridge for everything
Absolute into vortex would work great in this deck
if you specifically have ostinato yes
Gravity controller can't be used as a link material the turn it was summon, how do you use it to link summon harmonist?
He tributed for one of the main deck monsters, then summoned the link.
@@VictorFC With wich eff?
@@ShuujinAkitoa tribute(normal) summon
Question: Does anyone know the ruling of ABC Buster Dragon tagging out under Skill Drain vs if Flowering Etoile the Melodious Grand Choir works under skill drain the same way?
Well etoile tags out as effect where as abc dragon buster tags out as cost, so etoile won’t resolve if skill drain has already been resolved
Is there a way you can combo if you draw Shopina for turn?
Yeah there’s multiple ways to make it work still. It’s not gonna be as good through handtraps, but you can pitch it off bloom harmonist/send for concert, then reborn it later
what does counter melodious?
Shifter
Any reason the combos never involve Aria and Elegy? Wouldn't they be good in a duel with Tenpai Dragon for example? Tenpai would be kinda stuck if they can't deal with your monsters in defense. I'd like to hear your thoughts on Aria and Elegy Lock in general.
EDIT: Have you also considered Opera in the deck as a way to gain protection as a side card going second?
The main focus for this video was specifically handtraps & how to work through them. I think elegy is kinda bad, so I don’t play it. Also think opera is pretty bad as well. I do like aria though. Gonna do an in depth deck profile and more content when these cards actually come out in tcg
@@JustNutzProdAria and Elegy lock is like playing majespecters on steroids
Your board has no way to interact if you have Etoile paired with it
@@Keurgui1 dark ruler no more or forbidden droplet into an evenly would really wreck that board and a lot of people in my locals all play those cards especially in main deck like people who play 60 cards branded piles
I think Imperm is actually better if you hold it and negate one of the fusion monsters during your turn if you play against that deck🤔
Agreed it’s almost better as a board breaker to bait etoile early 💜💜
But then you run into the problem of maybe getting ariad... And so rendering your imperm useless.
Quick question: how much do we need 1st moviment solo? I'm a bit hesintent about buying it because it's a bit expensive rn (15€ in NM condition) and i'm unsure if I should get them or not. Maybe 2 copies of it could work?
probably will be reprinted in next OTS pack
I would advocate for 3 to maximize consistency. You “can” play with less than 3, I just think it’d be a suboptimal list
remember, you don't have to always play a full power decklist. it indeed is suboptimal but you can still do the same things. in this case you just have less starters. it's roughly 74% vs 57% (or 63% if you have one 1st movement) chance of opening a starter in hand so it's not that terrible if the price of those is stopping you
confused why you showed lines through bacha? her eff protects her eff from being negated
her very first line of texts makes it not only better, but u can be more ignorant on bacha
I was told by a judge that its text won’t protect itself from imperm/veiler or an effect that negates the activation.
@@JustNutzProd hmm interésting our judge group thought otherwise but honestly have to see it’s translation they could mess it up lol
Yeah if it can’t be negated by some of those options then the deck actually clobbers those handtraps even harder
Essentially, Bacha has an effect that says your Melodious effects cannot be negated. But if you negate the monster's effects with Imperm, you negate the effect that would give negation protection. If Bacha is not impermed but another Melodious like Shopina gets its effects negated, I think Shopina can still resolve its effects but I am not entirely sure on that one. I believe Bacha still resolves if ash'd because that would try and negate a Melodious effect without negating the card.
What are the last 4 cards in the extra
Gravity controller , protector or agents - moon , donner dagger fur hire , chaos angel
“Ostinato does not lose to a single handtrap”
**activates ash joyues**
Now i think what he shouldve said is that Melodious the deck itself doesnt lose to any handtraps. Due to all the not optimal extenders and ostinato being a one card combo u can simply use ostinato as bait and if they dont negate it then its ggs from there even if they were to nib ur 4 summon would already by the new fusion which can just banish all ur melodious off the field so they wont get nibbed making nibiru fizzle. And they would come back on ep or sp and just trigger all their summon effects again reboot u with hella follow ups.
The correct pronunciation of Etoile is eh-TWAL. (Not "A" like the Canadians say Eh)
Decklist?
brother its frame 1 in the video
This deck can be a tier 2?
Absolutely
Is bloom Prima really something we wnt to play? Seems rather lack luster to me
Bloom Prima is a Game Ender card alongside Bloom Harmonist. It can attack twice and with link arrowed by Harmonist, The opponent cannot activate card till the end of the damage step. Alongside Card booster like Sonata and Elegy, She can be deadly
Actually play test the deck against real opposition. Depending on the build and granted I played Melodious with other Engines like Shaddoll, Branded and Invoked through years of playing the deck, maximum copies apiece of 1st Movement and Ostinato is just a brick as they clash in the starting hand.
My upcoming build post Legacy of Destruction is built around swarming the field for the Bloom Prima OTK, so I’d definitely look to play 3 Ostinatos and the single copy of 1st Movement.
Additionally, with Canon and Sonata’s special summon ability especially, 1st movement doesn’t seem all too necessary especially if you are going the more aggressive build.
I’m playing 3 & 3 7 days a week, twice on Sunday. I want one of those in hand no matter what. They’re the best cards in the deck so they’re popular negate targets, having one through ash or omnis going second is worth the potential of seeing 2 in my opinion. I’d rather see 2 than none🤷🏼♂️
I figure, even if Ostinato gets ashed, you can go 1st Movement to special out something and build from there.
Or second ostinato
I just got my 1st Movement Solos in the mail, so exited for the new stuff! The deck has really cool gameplay
Pendulum best summoning 🔥