I struggle with this, have for a long time, even before my conversion. It has been on my mind a lot lately. I was honestly not surprised to see this. I know that our Lord loves me immensely and will help me frequently by putting the information I need in front of me. 😊😊😊😊😊😊
Diagnosed with OCD here. I've been in therapy since age 11, on medication off and on since 14, and I went to a psychiatric hospital for severe OCD and depression. I can strongly endorse Tanner's suggestions-but if you do have scrupulosity, I'd encourage you to dive deeper than just this video. There is a /lot/ of good Catholic information on scrupulosity. I'd like to make some additional points, and then recommend some resources that have helped me. First, know that shame is /not/ humility. As St. Thomas and Aristotle say, every virtue is a golden mean between two vices. Pride is an excessively high view of self, which means that shame (or false humility) is an excessively /low/ view of self. Humility, as St. Teresa of Avila says, is simply the truth. Second, as St. Augustine says, "Where there is no consent, there is no sin." Know that you are not automatically culpable for every thought or emotions you experience. This is where a solid relationship with a confessor comes in. Third, rework your prayer life to focus on relationship rather than checking off boxes. Praying for 30 minutes a day with your full attention is better than beating yourself into two hours of distracted, anxious "prayer," where your goal is to check off the box so you can finally go to bed. For me, this looks like journaling, weekly Adoration, listening Bible in a Year with Fr. Mike, and praying a slow, meditative rosary. Holiness is a universal call, but the path there is not one size fits all. As for the resources, I have three books, and some other miscellaneous things. The books are: 1. The Way of Trust and Love (heavily based on St. Therese of Lisieux) by Fr. Jacques Philippe 2. How to Profit from Your Faults (heavily based on St. Francis de Sales) by Joseph Tissot 3. The Return of the Prodigal Son by Henri J.M. Nouwen. If you were to read just one, I'd recommend the book by Tissot. They were all definitely game changers for me, but that one was especially. As for the other resources: 1. The Surrender Novena 2. Interior Integration, a podcast by a Catholic therapist 3. The Ten Commandments for the Scrupulous, which you can find at fisheaters.com. I'm praying for you all, brothers and sisters. Feel free to reply if you want to talk about this more. God's blessings :).
@@josephineco6359 Before, during, and after 😅 My OCD and anxiety symptoms tend to worsen when I'm preparing for confession, and tend to linger for a couple days afterwards.
This is the third time I believe that I’m hearing go to a therapist 😂 I got the message Heavenly Father 😭 I’m not sure if anyone else struggles but I struggled with the thought of a therapist for so long. When I was finally going to invest my money in a catholic therapist a year ago, my mom slapped down the idea , told me im going to spend my money and too just pray more to God, because he healed her through prayer. Needless to say I had an intense 2021 with no therapy. I should have gone to therapy. I will try again 😭 pray for me y’all 🙏 - Update: I have my first therapy session tomorrow :)
There is no shame in seeking help in a therapist, it is even better if that therapist is a catholic and can provide you a christian view on how to over come scrupulosity. I hope you will get better, please pray for me too.
It's like going to talk to an educated friend versed in Psychology and Catholic theology. Where else are you going to find friends like that.🎚☝️😇 Run towards it. And remember how many saints were told by their parents not to enter the convent or seminary😉
I must admit that I confirm the effectiveness of the remedies you listed (especially asking the Father to open His Heart). God uses scrupulousity to draw those with it very close to His Heart.. another good byproduct of scrupulousity is humility
Thanks for this, my wife has OCD and struggles with this (though we're protestants, not catholics). Its something we'll continue working through together with God's help. This is absolutely a useful resource. We'll pray for you all, please pray for us. We appreciate you
Dear Tanner, My name is Evan. i’m 22 now and have been dealing with scrupulosity for 4 years now. at the beginning i was worried about things like “i’m lying because i didn’t really read the terms and conditions” or “i’m too scared that Saturday is still the day i’m supposed to worship and rest on”. i’ve grown over the years and understand why they are wrong (at least the saturday one), but now i’m dealing with things like Romans 14:23 where “But whoever has doubts is condemned if he eats, because the eating is not from faith. For whatever does not proceed from faith is sin”. This terrifies me since now i feel that all the things i let go of in the past 4 years that i was only “pretty sure” wasn’t a sin have to be prevented again. it has brought me to tears even at work sometimes with anxiety, stress, and doubt of the faith that my mind has even had thoughts of giving up the faith or even thoughts of suicide (neither of which do i have ANY intention of doing right now, but i’m scarred that will change someday if this gets worse). i don’t know if i understand romans 14 the way it was intended, so im hoping i don’t have to go down that road from my past again, but i don’t want to just “ignore it” because it seems incredibly hard for me. i’ve been talking to a priest for the good part of these 4 years, but he seems so lenient on what’s sinful now and i’m unsure if it’s because it’s the truth or if he just doesn’t want me to worry anymore. i tried asking another priest and he disagreed with my long-term priest who i’ve worked with on this scrupulosity, so i don’t know if i can even trust him anymore. i don’t know what i’m required to do and i just want to feel free again. What should i do? Am i required to refrain from everything that i have any doubts on whether it’s sinful (like reading terms and conditions or what jokes i’m allowed to make or laugh at)? P.S. some of the things i asked the two priests were the following: 1. can i make jokes about cultural accents when i think they sound funny? 2. When does eating too much sugar/added sugar become glutinous? 3. is complaining a sin if i just want to verbalize that i’m upset even if i’m just composing at home alone out loud while playing a game or thinking about my day? 4. is being competitive and wanting to be better at my hobbies than others who do it a sinful pride or a good pride? i want everyone to do their best but i feel bad when others constantly beat me. 5. i have an eccentric person skirt with wanting to ignore social norms that i find oppressive and worry that not trying to fit into my culture’s norms will cause others to either dislike me or be scandalized and not want to be apart of the faith do to my eccentricities/disregard for those norms. (the norms i’m referring to is like being slightly louder at group gatherings, tons of joking, and not keeping my car clean). 6. is being headstrong(as in being stubborn and wanting to do things your own way regardless of outside opinion) (and liking being that way) a sin?
Evan, I listened to a podcast with Debra Theobald McClendon and she said if your feelings are anxiety driven then it’s not the spirit, it’s your fear and anxiety. If it’s the spirit, you feel the need and the decision is made and maybe nervous to confess, but not crisis and fear. Anxiety messes up the ability to discern. Prayers for you. ❤
I think a big part of scrupulosity is the inability to measure certain sins (thoughts, seeing things that are often linked to sin and verbal sins like half truths and slight exaggerations) these sins are non material in how they are acted on as they’re in the mind. For me a big part was learning the distinction between mortal and venial sin and the actual meaning of “grave matter” I also agree with the one steady priest and spiritual director as they will help you set your moral compass back to due north. Cheers everyone
@@serenearana128 Grave matter: killing someone is grave. Punching someone is venial. Stealing all the food of a starving man is mortal sin. Stealing a dollar from a millionaire is a venial sin. Grave sin becomes mortal when it is committed knowingly (with full awareness) and freely (no outside pressure) and the sin is, in fact, a sin by definition. That's why a baby cannot sin; nor can an insane person. If you're still uncertain, just ask a good and faithful priest. Always refer to the Catholic catechism which is available online. Trust in Jesus Who will guide you. Fear not. He loves you and is with you always, for He is our Good Shepherd.
@@generalyousif3640 Supposing that consulting this website would be prohibited during the examination, it would strike me as directly violating a licit authority whose authority would ultimately be arranged the Providence. Insofar as it would constitute illicitly obtaining conditionally prohibited information, namely accessing information that's prohibited during the examination, then there would appear to be two freely violated moral injunctions that would be reasonably invited if not explicitly conveyed. So, the violator could not easily claim and hide under the excuse of moral ignorance which would mitigate culpability. Since this would presumably be some kind of serious examination at an important educational institution, the matter would be grave, similar to cheating on one's taxes. Thus, if my conjecture would be correct, notwithstanding other unknown facts that perhaps only God would know perfectly, I'm inclined to suspect that it would constitute a mortal sin. For a more reliable opinion, I would consult a moral theologian or two.
My goodness! How timely this topic is!! Today I went to confession for the 3rd time this week, confession hopping as you said. My priest told me I may be scrupulous, but he reassured me I’ve been truly forgiven, and to allow myself to be at peace. In my daily life I do have an OCD but never thought it would have translated into my spiritual life. Good to know I’m not alone in this and that there is this diagnosis for this behaviour.
I’ve been praying about this for a while! Thank you God! By the way thank you for opening up about your experience, I’m currently dealing with the same type of scrupulousity as you did in the past. Currently praying for all of us that go through this. ✝️💖🙌🏼🙏🏼🕊☺️
I’ve struggled with scrupulosity since I was a small child. My mom was the queen of scrupulosity, therefore I come by it honestly. Great video, thank you.
A couple things that have helped me in my scrupulous struggle are: 1) truly trusting in Jesus’ Divine Mercy. 2) fully understanding what is a mortal sin. 3) understanding what consent is. 4) reading about the Saints who have struggled with scrupulosity. This battle is far from over but God is amazing and has allowed me to fight through this. And I truly believe it is to build my trust and love in Him even more than I could imagine. Also, it has strengthened my spiritual perseverance and to build the habit of turning to Him instead of trying to figure out stuff on my own.
What a great new addition to the ascension family! Tanner is honest, and generous is sharing his faith and struggles with the online community. May God the father bless you in your healing journey in the name of his son Jesus Christ! You got this!
Dang, instantly clicked. Struggle with this myself as well. It’s so scary when the fear is exponentially increased in the struggle with scrupulosity. Have you in my prayers Brotha! And to all those who struggle with this problem as well :)
Brothers and sisters, I highly recommend devotion to the Divine Mercy as a gift that can bring some peace to the scrupulous among us. I also have found some healing in the Litany of Trust.
Wow I was just reading the story of a soul by St Teresa lisieux and she suffered from this too! So we are in the company of a great saint and doctor of the church. From the book “While I was making my retreat for my second Holy Communion, I was overcome by scruples. What a martyrdom! It lasted about two years, and no one could possibly understand what I had to go through, unless they had gone through it themselves. Every single thought and even my most commonplace actions became a source of worry and anxiety. I used to enjoy a momentary peace while I unburdened myself to Marie, but this used to cost me a lot because I thought I ought to tell her absolutely everything, even the wildest of my fancies. But this peace only lasted about as long as a flash of lightning, and I was back where I started. At least I made Marie practice wonderful patience!”
I like the prophet Micha's simplistic method of pleasing God, "Do justly, love mercy and walk humbly with your God." It makes for an easy self-assessment by one's conscience of one's spiritual walk without getting bogged down with the many things we cling to too obsessively. It works for me. In addition I'm lead to say stop trying to live like a saint and be a saint. Stop trying to live like a particular saint being hyper critical of yourself and be the unique saint that you are. Patronize your unique passion. Make it holy unto the Lord. This should be your healthy obsession.
Thank you so much for this! It's great to see that there are more people like me. This has gotten better for me through the years, and getting to know Scripture has really helped. But every time I think about my 16-20 years old self, I want to cry. She was so alone, and scared, and misunderstood. I thought I was the single most sinful person in the entre World, and worst of all, I thought God was like a police officer, always trying to catch me doing something wrong. I'm still trying to find a good Catholic therapist Where I live, but God will give me one in due time.
Hi, I just wanted to say I'm 20 and that you really struggled with scrupulosity from 16-20 is so reassuring for me. I don't think I really realized it until now, but this theme of being scrupulous has happened a ton in my life, especially lately. It makes me feel so much hurt. Thanks for opening up, also hoping to find a great therapist!
I have seen SO MANY videos about scrupulosity (especially in the last few weeks, when I've been struggling especially), and this one is the one that just hit the nail on the head in describing my condition perfectly.
I just finally looked up Scrupulosity instead of just general OCD for once, and suddenly find out all the channels I have been watching for over a year now, have videos that are over 1 year old on Scrupulosity. Guess it comes when u need it though. Also, the website Jaimie from Scrupulosity is Sooooo helpful. I know she is not Catholic but like honestly she always has articles on whatever niche topic or random question you have on scrupulosity. She also has treatment options and stuff but there are so many free articles and emails you can use that can really, really help.
I’m 17 and just began therapy with a Catholic Counselor. It was so hard for me to ask for help, but I knew I couldn’t heal on my own. Please ask for help if you need it!
Your point about getting to know the Father’s heart is great advice. And my way of getting to know Him better is through reading scripture. I’ve been going through the Bible in a Year with Fr Mike Schmitz and last year really opened my eyes and my heart in a way I never imagined possible. Knowing the Father’s heart through salvation history has let me know how much love and mercy is available to us. Yes, a good Catholic counselor is so helpful but knowing that you are loved and forgiven definitely eases the stress and anxiety.
I can't thank you enough for explaining this. My wonderful priest has told me about these Saints. I was beginning to feel like I had a revolving door on the confessional. I just returned to the Church just over a year ago and always felt "guilty of something", not anymore, God's mercy is so good! God bless
Thank you for this! I went through a very difficult and prolonged time of scrupulously years ago, and I think what helped me to overcome it was when I was told in confession to say to myself the following that St Joan of Arc was asked by a Roman soldier: “ Are you in a state of grace?” St Joan replied: “ I don’t know. I just say to the Lord “ Lord, if I’m in a state of grace please keep me there. However if I’m not, please bring me into a state of grace.” I saw this as handing over the responsibility of my soul to the Lord in a spirit of childlike trust and abandonment. I still struggle from time to time but the Lord knows our hearts and he knows we don’t want to hurt him!
Good talk! Martin Luther drove himself crazy because he never knew if he was good enough which drove him to that incorrect 'faith alone' thing. I do the same thing.
I used to struggle with this before, but now I see that I’m going backwards and I started to fall away from God, so now I’m trying to have a better relationship with Him. Prayers would be helpful, thank you! ❤️
Thank you so much for sharing your experience, I've been struggling with this too and so often makes me feel uncomprehended, Ill be praying for you and for everyone that have the same experience🙏
When he mentioned saying a prayer over again I knew that this was me! I know God’s grace above all will help me, He already has. I’m praying for everyone with this, may God keep us on the right track and support our hearts
I have Asperger's which gives me symptoms of OCD. I have often struggled with scrupulosity. Hearing the Church's teaching on this, especially by a traditional Priest on a youtube conference, really helped me. Understanding the issue helps you much better to deal with it, and that is the same with OCD and Asperger's as well. I mostly don't let scrupulosity bother me anymore, but one part of it that still I struggle with the most, is this obsession of feeling that I need to do all the different types of prayer devotions that I like. It is much better to pick a few good ones and stick with them, but I have not been able to get rid of that mindset yet that I am not doing well as a Catholic if I am not doing all the prayers on my list. And you can imagine that it gets even worse when I find out about a new devotion that I was unaware of previously.
I was afraid of speaking about this to anyone!! Its like I am mental🙈 although I do want to please God in always but when I do something wrong/sin I beat up myself. THANK YOU FOR THIS. Very helpful 🙏
Struggled with this all my life and have OCD on and off, it's a lot better than it was, I got really sick when I was a teenager and became chronically ill but I looked ok and when I was out people just didn't know, I thought the illness was punishment from God for being so unworthy, I still struggle with this though it's no where near as bad. It is exhausting though!
I am currently in the midst of becoming a Catholic and while I was pregnant with my first baby I developed extreme OCD and depression and I’ve never had any mental illness in my life ever! I felt very alone in my mental intrusive thoughts, obsessions and compulsions and until I opened up to my husband (who happens to be a doctor in mental health) in midst of a breakdown near my due date, I was only getting worse. I got on medication (which I’m now off as I’ve learnt what I was actually dealing with) and it helped so much in my crisis moment. It’s really important to find someone you trust to talk about it with, thank you for this video 👍🏼
Before watching this video I didn't know what scrupulosity was. Hearing this makes me SO happy that when it came time for confession, my husband told us, "Unless you have committed a mortal sin, we don't really need to go. The venial sins any of us have committed are taken care of in the general absolution." Our 13 year old struggles with anxiety and could very easily fall into scrupulosity if my husband were to say we had to go to confe for each and ever sin. Thank God he didn't!
Thanks, I learned so much from this, I definitely fall on this spectrum. There's one obsession that comes up during a prayer in the mass, a word that triggers a stupid sexual innuendo mentally. I won't tell you the specific prayer or word involved, so my fellow brothers and sisters don't worry about it like I do :) Love y'all!
A priest told me once, that if I get sinful thoughts then I should say: "O, my Jesus, mercy". It really helps me alot. Another thing that helps is also to not pay to much attention to it or despair about it. So just say: "O my jesus, mercy" :)
When thoughts happen during prayer or mass, I usually do a quick on the side prayer and ask the guarding angel and Our Mother to pray for me and keep me not falling into temptation/following that thought. The thought can be from the devils (blackmail from the devils), or just some memory triggers by a word. I know exactly how that goes. I do a quick self-talk and ask myself where I am and that seems to bring me back to the mass. I always tell myself God is present right now, right here, I and try to give my utmost reverend and attention the liturgy of the word and the liturgy of the Eucharist. Every word that the priest says I must pay attention to and think of God is watching us and being with us. Fr. Corapi also talked about when he had 3 days of temptation with all kinds of sexual perversion and really hate it. He found out later in the news that during that time there are some witches hexing outside that church that he was traveling there to preach. The occult is real. If I spend every waking moment aware that God is watching, then it helps me to think about Him before doing thing. This also help me with humility especially when driving with all a in-a-hurry folks tailgating and cutting me off. The currency of love is time, the currency for humility is humiliation. lol. God send those people to exercise my virtue. To practice a virtue, we must overcome a vice. The mind cannot think of two things efficiently so flood you mind with words of God and other thing do not have room to be in your mind at the same time. I tend to pray faster so it's like a race (it sounds bad), but it actually helps me to say prayers instead of thinking of other thoughts. Saying 50 Hail Mary fast still take 15 minutes. And by the time 15 went by the bad thoughts also gone. There is a lot of way to rid of bad thoughts. Think about a certain saint also help. I like saint Veronica Guiliani. She is sure has Scrupulosity with all that mortification. She wanted to dominate her human nature by these sacrifice and mortification and fasting. Great Saint.
I'm sorry to hear this is one of your scruples. It's "funny" how we can obsess over certain thoughts rather than just peacefully letting them go. I can tell you're a scrupulous person as you didn't mention what the word was...I'm like that too - conscious that I don't want to make other people worried of the things that worry me. Whereas I've noticed non-scrupulous people aren't sensitive to this.
I am so grateful that Tanner opened up about this. It made me cry, because it's a real thing and it can be suffocating. And it's so difficult to tell sometimes whether it's the legitimate voice of conscience or whether it's scrupulosity. God reached out during a time when I just stopped going to confession out of frustration and He allowed me to come across videos where a guy called Sean Forrest talked about the Father's love - and that made such a difference. It helps so much to know how deeply the Father loves you. I went to confession for the first time in eight months a few days back and the struggle isn't over, but I'm so glad to be home again, and bundled up in the Father's big heart.
Thank you for this video! My son is now suffering from Scrupulosity. It came upon him suddenly n he’s struggling with it. I just shared this video with him.❤
100% relate with this. Been struggling with is since I was 13 and am 24 now. People I know who love me and care for me would often say you just need to fade it you just need to pray more, and I felt like I could never be good enough. Definitely better now than I was, but it’s a daily struggle🙂 Thank you for your authenticity!
This hit close to home- thank you Tanner! It is indeed a real struggle and sometimes I feel it reflects my lack of trust in God, and not understanding His merciful nature. I don’t know about you all, but I get extremely scrupulous about certain grey areas where the church allows some freedom and prudence, e.g shopping on Sundays, not fasting exactly the way prescribed by our Lady at Medugorje, not saying rosary daily, wearing make up etc. . It is exhausting but reading works by Father Jacques Philippe, St Faustina’s diary etc have been helpful and simply repeating ‘Jesus I trust in You, thank you for loving me, has gone a long way in believing I am loved by a God far bigger than my sin and uncertainties. Praying for all of us here!
For every one person who has excessive scrupulosity, it seems to be that there are many more who are too "loosey goosey" and not scrupulous enough. Having a sensitive conscience is not all bad. Having an insensitive conscience is not so good.
Wow ! I Stumbled ( the Holy Spirit ) on this video and I can’t begin to tell you how helpful and informative as well as courageous you are .. yes like the saints ! Thank you very much!! Oh yes i had / have dad issues. I told God that I’m terrified of Him .. He said “ are you afraid of love?”
😓...I think I'm really struggling with this and I hope the Lord delivers me from it. I started experiencing it about 3 years ago, after I decided to be more dedicated to doing God's will. I was so conscious of sinning that I became very cautious of every act I indulge myself, and I think that tends to destroy my peace. I came to realise that my mental health is not stable. Ever since I first experienced it I've been seeking help on the internet and all they say is to perform some exercises-workouts, socialise etc- which I've been doing but no restoration. And also, to seek help from a therapist or psychiatrist, which if I had had the chance I could've; but in my country we barely have 2 psychiatrist neither a therapist. My hope is on the Lord. I'll try my level best to pray for you.
Praise the Lord! I SO needed this. Thank you for speaking out on this topic. It’s very easy to feel isolated and crazy when facing scrupulosity, but things like this are helping silence those voices. Praying for continued healing of all those who suffer from this.
Thank you for sharing your own story and addressing those with scrupuloscity with love, gentleness, encouragement, kindness and understanding as well as HOPE. Thank you. I've found other resources that feel hurtful and condemning or dismissive which makes the pain worse, even if that is not their intention. This video was a relief. Thank you.
Thank you so much for sharing your struggle with scrupulosity. You understand this, and now I feel understood. Your "embarrassing" habit is relatable. Thank you. I've been on so many retreats, forcing myself to go too many times. Receiving the Eucharist is very difficult and bring up many doubts, panic, and questions. It's also so hard to know if G-d is speaking to me or it's my OCD. Thank you for sharing your struggle. I went to confession yesterday, went to mass today and in the homily father talked about fraternal correction and sin and I thought I might be in mortal sin for not fraternal correction so I didn't receive Eucharist, then I asked the priest after mass who said I was ok, thank you GOD, and then I feel the need to go to mass again but I don't want to go. Today is sunday and I fulfilled the obligation.
This video was so good-I agree, I don’t think scrupulosity is often brought up and talked about, unless one purposely sought out the information. A book involving questions, answers, and encouragement by Fr. Thomas Santa has been so helpful and healing to me. I recommend it and other sources! And investing in your relationship with God the Father and asking Him to guide and help you in seeing His Heart is definitely important. I’ve never felt more at rest, like I can actually pause and dialogue when I’m struggling with my thoughts and discern better.
A great resource for those who suffer from scrupulosity: "Understanding Scrupulosity: Questions and Encourgement" 3rd edition by Thomas M. Santa, CSsR.
That book has been a blessing to me and my journey to manage my scrupulosity. I have a lot of advices highlighted and I read them through whenever I feel like I need assurance.
Getting closer to Jesus Christ and digging in to God's word is helping me to stop leaning on (OCD/Scrupulosity) and to start to lean on him (Jesus) as we're supposed to. It's not always easy but his hand is always there to pull you back or lift you up when or if you start to slide.
Thank you for this Ascension Presents!!🙏🙏 Thank you God!! Thank Mother Mary!💙💙 When I saw the title, I knew this was just what I needed! I'm very grateful to my parish priest for being very patient with me. I just feel discouraged in praying the Rosary when I feel like there's no merits, but I promised Mary I would pray it everyday. And St. Louise did say "at least in quest of it [being in God's grace]". Of course receiving Holy Communion too.
Thank you for sharing this. It is comforting to know I'm not alone and not crazy. I am offering this up for the Souls in Purgatory and praying for and leaning on trust in God's Love and Mercy
Native American sweat lodge ceremony healed my OCD in one session ! Being in the heat and staying in the heat and breathing through the fire allows one to overcome the mind and drop into the body.
Ahhh, I as a 10-16-year-old when walking on the road and it was time to say the Angelus I had to make sure I genuflect during that part of the prayer and if did not do it I always felt unworthy. Fast forward to me now I can be lying on my bed and saying the Angelus lol. Some of these things pass with time as we grow older some don't, but what really helped me personally was studying the bible more and building a relationship with Jesus. Then I got to know all this physical drama as good as they may look, they don't really matter!!
God is truly there with you to help you speak things your viewers need to hear. I've had OCD all my life, but have never heard of scrupulosity. When this video popped up I googled the word. I could not believe how well timed this video came to me. I want to explain my reason for this because a lot of others may be in the same situation, but I'll just exhaust myself lol! God bless all of you. He knows all your hearts ❤
Thank you for this, I struggle with this. What confuses me is that I am not sure of is if I am experiencing a call to penitence or just shame. I do tend to worry a lot and have problems with anxiety and fear of the future. I often find myself going over and over events that preceded the loss of friendships or relationships. I did Jordan Petersons psychological test a few years back and I tested off the charts for neuroticism. This helped me bacause although I always knew that I had a tendency for this his test showed me that it was way worse than I thought and could be pathological.
Neuroticism seems to be more associated with vigilance and feeling like everything depends on you. On some levels, I get anxious too, but I took the test with what I understood for myself saying I scored Very Low but could blow up if pushed too far. It makes you wonder if the spectrum isn’t a line but a circle.
Thank you, thank you, thank you. I have struggled with scrupulosity for a while and because of this video I finally had the courage to talk to others about it and not feel crazy. It's unbearable at times but thank you for speaking about it. I feel like often Catholics who haven't experienced it aren't even aware that it exists.
I had such a good last two weeks of trusting God, and keeping him at the center of my obsessive thoughts, but this week I was hit so hard with the desire to go through compulsions, and I just can't shake it.
Please if you have this get help immediately. My husband of 42 years had OCD and scrupulosity and he took his life 3 1/2 years ago. He was a good man, but it took over his mind. I have pervasive sadness and grief and so does my family. And it’s affected my faith.
Maddie, your comment affected my heart. I will be praying for you and your journey of grief, for your family and for the soul of your husband. Through all these comments, we must remember what St. Faustina learned from Jesus. Our sins are but a drop, in His OCEAN of mercy. Lean into Jesus and let Him hold you. I pray you will come back to the Sacraments and receive the immense Grace you need.
I have OCD with scrupolosity since two years ago starting, like he said, with tiny things. For that i reccomend a lot to talk it with your spiritual director and a psicologist (i also had to get medical aide) so dont worry to ask for help
Hey I have been struggling with spiritual OCD for many years now I am 27 but still struggling but thanks to my SD I am doing batter, there are so many out there struggling with this but no one talks about this and it makes it even difficult
Thank you SOooooo much for sharing your story. And your advice. I am praising Jesus for this video. Everything you shared is spot on. Praise Jesus May he bless you, and all of us who struggle with scrupulosity!!
Thank you for creating this video, Tanner! I struggle a lot with scrupulosity as well and am so glad that I watched this video. When I saw the video title, I was really stoked to watch it!! 😁
Rule of advice: do not allow feelings into your mind; totally reject them, and purge them from existence- they are completely unreliable, always were, and always will be.
Struggling with scrupulosity since 2019. I already overcame obsession on some religious stuffs through ERP except in prayer. I still have a lot of intrusive thoughts. Best Advice I got was to find a Spiritual Director. I am still looking for mine. And really wish to find one who has experience in directing OCD sufferers. Thanks for this.❤️
I have a question. I frequently read of saints who endured strenuous self-inflicted torments in order to promote their personal holiness; others whose mantra was mortification. So my question is, how does one integrate the judicious indulgence of pious practices (which is good for us) with not yielding to scrupulousity (or even sometimes fanaticism) because there seems to be a very thin line between both.
Thanks Tanner for your generous and sincere testimony, I believe it will help many people. And as you rightly pointed out, this is not a quick fix, it's a journey of healing. We need to dwell on God's fatherly love.
There's a lot of wisdom here that you rarely find from someone so young. Don't take that badly. I'm 72 years old, so everyone looks young to me! I've been scrupulous since the age of 15, and I know a lot about it. That doesn't mean I've been wise in dealing with it all those years. It took me a long time to seek therapy, a little longer to seek a Catholic therapist, and longer still to land in a stable relationship with a good spiritual director. The thing I fought the most and longest against was taking medication. That was the last piece that helped put it all together. That's not to say I'm cured, but I'm dealing with my scruples a lot more productively. What the medication did is tamper down the noise of my anxiety over these issues just enough to allow me to hear and listen to the more rational parts of my brain. I'm not recommending meds for everyone. I'm just saying they helped me. BUT, it's not a replacement for the other treatment modalities mentioned in this video. They are critically necessary. Lastly, I've worked on my relationship with God and have begun to understand more fully His love and care for me. That is the most important thing. If you're scrupulous, listen to the advice in this video and follow it. It's rock solid. May God bless you and lead you to a healing place!
Scrupulosity is truly debilitating. 2 weeks ago I went to confession 3 TIMES on the same day. And these past few weeks, I went to confession every single friday and the next sunday I never take communion. There's so many doubts and, even tho in some cases I might be exaggerating, I just cant go. I had a spiritual director but he had to go to his home country. So, for now, I dont have one (maybe I should ask for one asap, i literally live 10 minutes away from Fatima, it's easy to find). But until then, gonna watch these videos, maybe they'll help 💞✨️
I struggle with every unwanted thought, but I really am afraid of blasphemous thoughts, especially a certain kind of blasphemous thought that I won't disclose here. Sometimes I will be doing really well, then all of a sudden, I will have a thought come in my head telling me two things at once, 1, that the thought is unforgivable, and I will have another thought that says, and I do not believe either of these thoughts deep down, but the second thought tries to tell me that God wants me to blaspheme to stop the thought from coming into my head, which I don't believe, but it sets up a terrible battle.
NO WAY I JUST PRAYED ABOUT THIS TODAY!!!! GOD IS GOOD
I struggle with this, have for a long time, even before my conversion. It has been on my mind a lot lately. I was honestly not surprised to see this. I know that our Lord loves me immensely and will help me frequently by putting the information I need in front of me. 😊😊😊😊😊😊
Yes He is!! When I prayed to Him about the blasphemous thoughts I was having, I came across a video the next morning about scrupulosity.
Diagnosed with OCD here. I've been in therapy since age 11, on medication off and on since 14, and I went to a psychiatric hospital for severe OCD and depression.
I can strongly endorse Tanner's suggestions-but if you do have scrupulosity, I'd encourage you to dive deeper than just this video. There is a /lot/ of good Catholic information on scrupulosity. I'd like to make some additional points, and then recommend some resources that have helped me.
First, know that shame is /not/ humility. As St. Thomas and Aristotle say, every virtue is a golden mean between two vices. Pride is an excessively high view of self, which means that shame (or false humility) is an excessively /low/ view of self. Humility, as St. Teresa of Avila says, is simply the truth.
Second, as St. Augustine says, "Where there is no consent, there is no sin." Know that you are not automatically culpable for every thought or emotions you experience. This is where a solid relationship with a confessor comes in.
Third, rework your prayer life to focus on relationship rather than checking off boxes. Praying for 30 minutes a day with your full attention is better than beating yourself into two hours of distracted, anxious "prayer," where your goal is to check off the box so you can finally go to bed. For me, this looks like journaling, weekly Adoration, listening Bible in a Year with Fr. Mike, and praying a slow, meditative rosary. Holiness is a universal call, but the path there is not one size fits all.
As for the resources, I have three books, and some other miscellaneous things. The books are:
1. The Way of Trust and Love (heavily based on St. Therese of Lisieux) by Fr. Jacques Philippe
2. How to Profit from Your Faults (heavily based on St. Francis de Sales) by Joseph Tissot
3. The Return of the Prodigal Son by Henri J.M. Nouwen.
If you were to read just one, I'd recommend the book by Tissot. They were all definitely game changers for me, but that one was especially.
As for the other resources:
1. The Surrender Novena
2. Interior Integration, a podcast by a Catholic therapist
3. The Ten Commandments for the Scrupulous, which you can find at fisheaters.com.
I'm praying for you all, brothers and sisters. Feel free to reply if you want to talk about this more. God's blessings :).
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Hi thank you for sharing... 💙
Thank you so very much.
Hi Do you experience headache and heavy heart when you haven't gone to confession
@@josephineco6359 Before, during, and after 😅
My OCD and anxiety symptoms tend to worsen when I'm preparing for confession, and tend to linger for a couple days afterwards.
Glad to see scrupulosity being discussed! So many people need this ♥️
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This is the third time I believe that I’m hearing go to a therapist 😂 I got the message Heavenly Father 😭
I’m not sure if anyone else struggles but I struggled with the thought of a therapist for so long. When I was finally going to invest my money in a catholic therapist a year ago, my mom slapped down the idea , told me im going to spend my money and too just pray more to God, because he healed her through prayer. Needless to say I had an intense 2021 with no therapy. I should have gone to therapy. I will try again 😭 pray for me y’all 🙏
- Update: I have my first therapy session tomorrow :)
There is no shame in seeking help in a therapist, it is even better if that therapist is a catholic and can provide you a christian view on how to over come scrupulosity. I hope you will get better, please pray for me too.
Sending hugs 🫂🥰
It's like going to talk to an educated friend versed in Psychology and Catholic theology. Where else are you going to find friends like that.🎚☝️😇 Run towards it. And remember how many saints were told by their parents not to enter the convent or seminary😉
therapy is sooo good. happy for you
Scupulosity is so painful, i hope i can get over it some day.
I must admit that I confirm the effectiveness of the remedies you listed (especially asking the Father to open His Heart). God uses scrupulousity to draw those with it very close to His Heart.. another good byproduct of scrupulousity is humility
The way my been dropped after having a scrupulosity attack as i call it and asking For help and then this pops up! Very much needed this
Thanks for this, my wife has OCD and struggles with this (though we're protestants, not catholics). Its something we'll continue working through together with God's help. This is absolutely a useful resource. We'll pray for you all, please pray for us. We appreciate you
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Dear Tanner,
My name is Evan. i’m 22 now and have been dealing with scrupulosity for 4 years now. at the beginning i was worried about things like “i’m lying because i didn’t really read the terms and conditions” or “i’m too scared that Saturday is still the day i’m supposed to worship and rest on”. i’ve grown over the years and understand why they are wrong (at least the saturday one), but now i’m dealing with things like Romans 14:23 where “But whoever has doubts is condemned if he eats, because the eating is not from faith. For whatever does not proceed from faith is sin”. This terrifies me since now i feel that all the things i let go of in the past 4 years that i was only “pretty sure” wasn’t a sin have to be prevented again. it has brought me to tears even at work sometimes with anxiety, stress, and doubt of the faith that my mind has even had thoughts of giving up the faith or even thoughts of suicide (neither of which do i have ANY intention of doing right now, but i’m scarred that will change someday if this gets worse). i don’t know if i understand romans 14 the way it was intended, so im hoping i don’t have to go down that road from my past again, but i don’t want to just “ignore it” because it seems incredibly hard for me. i’ve been talking to a priest for the good part of these 4 years, but he seems so lenient on what’s sinful now and i’m unsure if it’s because it’s the truth or if he just doesn’t want me to worry anymore. i tried asking another priest and he disagreed with my long-term priest who i’ve worked with on this scrupulosity, so i don’t know if i can even trust him anymore. i don’t know what i’m required to do and i just want to feel free again. What should i do? Am i required to refrain from everything that i have any doubts on whether it’s sinful (like reading terms and conditions or what jokes i’m allowed to make or laugh at)?
P.S.
some of the things i asked the two priests were the following:
1. can i make jokes about cultural accents when i think they sound funny?
2. When does eating too much sugar/added sugar become glutinous?
3. is complaining a sin if i just want to verbalize that i’m upset even if i’m just composing at home alone out loud while playing a game or thinking about my day?
4. is being competitive and wanting to be better at my hobbies than others who do it a sinful pride or a good pride? i want everyone to do their best but i feel bad when others constantly beat me.
5. i have an eccentric person skirt with wanting to ignore social norms that i find oppressive and worry that not trying to fit into my culture’s norms will cause others to either dislike me or be scandalized and not want to be apart of the faith do to my eccentricities/disregard for those norms. (the norms i’m referring to is like being slightly louder at group gatherings, tons of joking, and not keeping my car clean).
6. is being headstrong(as in being stubborn and wanting to do things your own way regardless of outside opinion) (and liking being that way) a sin?
Evan, I listened to a podcast with Debra Theobald McClendon and she said if your feelings are anxiety driven then it’s not the spirit, it’s your fear and anxiety. If it’s the spirit, you feel the need and the decision is made and maybe nervous to confess, but not crisis and fear. Anxiety messes up the ability to discern. Prayers for you. ❤
I think a big part of scrupulosity is the inability to measure certain sins (thoughts, seeing things that are often linked to sin and verbal sins like half truths and slight exaggerations) these sins are non material in how they are acted on as they’re in the mind. For me a big part was learning the distinction between mortal and venial sin and the actual meaning of “grave matter” I also agree with the one steady priest and spiritual director as they will help you set your moral compass back to due north. Cheers everyone
hey can you tag me in a video or something or even yourself explain what makes a sin “grave matter”?
What is the actual meaning of grave matter?
@@serenearana128 Grave matter: killing someone is grave. Punching someone is venial. Stealing all the food of a starving man is mortal sin. Stealing a dollar from a millionaire is a venial sin. Grave sin becomes mortal when it is committed knowingly (with full awareness) and freely (no outside pressure) and the sin is, in fact, a sin by definition. That's why a baby cannot sin; nor can an insane person. If you're still uncertain, just ask a good and faithful priest.
Always refer to the Catholic catechism which is available online. Trust in Jesus Who will guide you. Fear not. He loves you and is with you always, for He is our Good Shepherd.
@@MM22272 what about using Quizlet in a school test?
@@generalyousif3640 Supposing that consulting this website would be prohibited during the examination, it would strike me as directly violating a licit authority whose authority would ultimately be arranged the Providence. Insofar as it would constitute illicitly obtaining conditionally prohibited information, namely accessing information that's prohibited during the examination, then there would appear to be two freely violated moral injunctions that would be reasonably invited if not explicitly conveyed. So, the violator could not easily claim and hide under the excuse of moral ignorance which would mitigate culpability. Since this would presumably be some kind of serious examination at an important educational institution, the matter would be grave, similar to cheating on one's taxes. Thus, if my conjecture would be correct, notwithstanding other unknown facts that perhaps only God would know perfectly, I'm inclined to suspect that it would constitute a mortal sin. For a more reliable opinion, I would consult a moral theologian or two.
My goodness! How timely this topic is!! Today I went to confession for the 3rd time this week, confession hopping as you said. My priest told me I may be scrupulous, but he reassured me I’ve been truly forgiven, and to allow myself to be at peace. In my daily life I do have an OCD but never thought it would have translated into my spiritual life. Good to know I’m not alone in this and that there is this diagnosis for this behaviour.
I’ve been praying about this for a while! Thank you God! By the way thank you for opening up about your experience, I’m currently dealing with the same type of scrupulousity as you did in the past. Currently praying for all of us that go through this. ✝️💖🙌🏼🙏🏼🕊☺️
Diagnosed with OCD last year and it was a long journey to recovery. God is faithful
I cannot beleive how this affects me. Am an introvert and you can imagine the suffering I am going through
Your not alone. I will
Pray for you
I’ve struggled with scrupulosity since I was a small child. My mom was the queen of scrupulosity, therefore I come by it honestly. Great video, thank you.
A couple things that have helped me in my scrupulous struggle are: 1) truly trusting in Jesus’ Divine Mercy. 2) fully understanding what is a mortal sin. 3) understanding what consent is. 4) reading about the Saints who have struggled with scrupulosity.
This battle is far from over but God is amazing and has allowed me to fight through this. And I truly believe it is to build my trust and love in Him even more than I could imagine. Also, it has strengthened my spiritual perseverance and to build the habit of turning to Him instead of trying to figure out stuff on my own.
What a great new addition to the ascension family! Tanner is honest, and generous is sharing his faith and struggles with the online community. May God the father bless you in your healing journey in the name of his son Jesus Christ! You got this!
Dang, instantly clicked.
Struggle with this myself as well.
It’s so scary when the fear is exponentially increased in the struggle with scrupulosity.
Have you in my prayers Brotha!
And to all those who struggle with this problem as well :)
Brothers and sisters, I highly recommend devotion to the Divine Mercy as a gift that can bring some peace to the scrupulous among us. I also have found some healing in the Litany of Trust.
Wow I was just reading the story of a soul by St Teresa lisieux and she suffered from this too!
So we are in the company of a great saint and doctor of the church. From the book
“While I was making my retreat for my second Holy Communion, I was overcome by scruples. What a martyrdom! It lasted about two years, and no one could possibly understand what I had to go through, unless they had gone through it themselves. Every single thought and even my most commonplace actions became a source of worry and anxiety. I used to enjoy a momentary peace while I unburdened myself to Marie, but this used to cost me a lot because I thought I ought to tell her absolutely everything, even the wildest of my fancies. But this peace only lasted about as long as a flash of lightning, and I was back where I started. At least I made Marie practice wonderful patience!”
Wow. You may be right. Interesting
Saint Veronica Guiliani.
Thank you for this excerpt. I never knew this about St Therese and she's my confirmation saint.
Also St. Alphonsus,St Jean Veanny, and St. Ignatius.
I like the prophet Micha's simplistic method of pleasing God, "Do justly, love mercy and walk humbly with your God." It makes for an easy self-assessment by one's conscience of one's spiritual walk without getting bogged down with the many things we cling to too obsessively. It works for me.
In addition I'm lead to say stop trying to live like a saint and be a saint. Stop trying to live like a particular saint being hyper critical of yourself and be the unique saint that you are. Patronize your unique passion. Make it holy unto the Lord. This should be your healthy obsession.
7:12 is what hit me the hardest in this video
Thank you so much for this! It's great to see that there are more people like me. This has gotten better for me through the years, and getting to know Scripture has really helped. But every time I think about my 16-20 years old self, I want to cry. She was so alone, and scared, and misunderstood. I thought I was the single most sinful person in the entre World, and worst of all, I thought God was like a police officer, always trying to catch me doing something wrong. I'm still trying to find a good Catholic therapist Where I live, but God will give me one in due time.
Hi, I just wanted to say I'm 20 and that you really struggled with scrupulosity from 16-20 is so reassuring for me. I don't think I really realized it until now, but this theme of being scrupulous has happened a ton in my life, especially lately. It makes me feel so much hurt. Thanks for opening up, also hoping to find a great therapist!
I have seen SO MANY videos about scrupulosity (especially in the last few weeks, when I've been struggling especially), and this one is the one that just hit the nail on the head in describing my condition perfectly.
I just finally looked up Scrupulosity instead of just general OCD for once, and suddenly find out all the channels I have been watching for over a year now, have videos that are over 1 year old on Scrupulosity. Guess it comes when u need it though.
Also, the website Jaimie from Scrupulosity is Sooooo helpful. I know she is not Catholic but like honestly she always has articles on whatever niche topic or random question you have on scrupulosity. She also has treatment options and stuff but there are so many free articles and emails you can use that can really, really help.
Yes, I agree on that, you have to know the Father. That's the only right way out.
I’m 17 and just began therapy with a Catholic Counselor. It was so hard for me to ask for help, but I knew I couldn’t heal on my own. Please ask for help if you need it!
Your point about getting to know the Father’s heart is great advice. And my way of getting to know Him better is through reading scripture. I’ve been going through the Bible in a Year with Fr Mike Schmitz and last year really opened my eyes and my heart in a way I never imagined possible. Knowing the Father’s heart through salvation history has let me know how much love and mercy is available to us. Yes, a good Catholic counselor is so helpful but knowing that you are loved and forgiven definitely eases the stress and anxiety.
I can't thank you enough for explaining this. My wonderful priest has told me about these Saints. I was beginning to feel like I had a revolving door on the confessional. I just returned to the Church just over a year ago and always felt "guilty of something", not anymore, God's mercy is so good! God bless
Thank you for this! I went through a very difficult and prolonged time of scrupulously years ago, and I think what helped me to overcome it was when I was told in confession to say to myself the following that St Joan of Arc was asked by a Roman soldier: “ Are you in a state of grace?” St Joan replied: “ I don’t know. I just say to the Lord “ Lord, if I’m in a state of grace please keep me there. However if I’m not, please bring me into a state of grace.”
I saw this as handing over the responsibility of my soul to the Lord in a spirit of childlike trust and abandonment. I still struggle from time to time but the Lord knows our hearts and he knows we don’t want to hurt him!
Thank you for this!
Thank you, Tanner, for your wisdom and witness!!!
Good talk! Martin Luther drove himself crazy because he never knew if he was good enough which drove him to that incorrect 'faith alone' thing. I do the same thing.
I used to struggle with this before, but now I see that I’m going backwards and I started to fall away from God, so now I’m trying to have a better relationship with Him. Prayers would be helpful, thank you! ❤️
Thank you so much for sharing your experience, I've been struggling with this too and so often makes me feel uncomprehended, Ill be praying for you and for everyone that have the same experience🙏
When he mentioned saying a prayer over again I knew that this was me! I know God’s grace above all will help me, He already has. I’m praying for everyone with this, may God keep us on the right track and support our hearts
I have Asperger's which gives me symptoms of OCD. I have often struggled with scrupulosity. Hearing the Church's teaching on this, especially by a traditional Priest on a youtube conference, really helped me. Understanding the issue helps you much better to deal with it, and that is the same with OCD and Asperger's as well. I mostly don't let scrupulosity bother me anymore, but one part of it that still I struggle with the most, is this obsession of feeling that I need to do all the different types of prayer devotions that I like. It is much better to pick a few good ones and stick with them, but I have not been able to get rid of that mindset yet that I am not doing well as a Catholic if I am not doing all the prayers on my list. And you can imagine that it gets even worse when I find out about a new devotion that I was unaware of previously.
I was afraid of speaking about this to anyone!! Its like I am mental🙈 although I do want to please God in always but when I do something wrong/sin I beat up myself. THANK YOU FOR THIS. Very helpful 🙏
I thank God for helping me realize this is an actual thing I was kinda of lost but I thank the Good Lord Jesus for showing this video
Struggled with this all my life and have OCD on and off, it's a lot better than it was, I got really sick when I was a teenager and became chronically ill but I looked ok and when I was out people just didn't know, I thought the illness was punishment from God for being so unworthy, I still struggle with this though it's no where near as bad. It is exhausting though!
I am currently in the midst of becoming a Catholic and while I was pregnant with my first baby I developed extreme OCD and depression and I’ve never had any mental illness in my life ever! I felt very alone in my mental intrusive thoughts, obsessions and compulsions and until I opened up to my husband (who happens to be a doctor in mental health) in midst of a breakdown near my due date, I was only getting worse. I got on medication (which I’m now off as I’ve learnt what I was actually dealing with) and it helped so much in my crisis moment. It’s really important to find someone you trust to talk about it with, thank you for this video 👍🏼
Before watching this video I didn't know what scrupulosity was. Hearing this makes me SO happy that when it came time for confession, my husband told us, "Unless you have committed a mortal sin, we don't really need to go. The venial sins any of us have committed are taken care of in the general absolution." Our 13 year old struggles with anxiety and could very easily fall into scrupulosity if my husband were to say we had to go to confe for each and ever sin. Thank God he didn't!
Thanks, I learned so much from this, I definitely fall on this spectrum. There's one obsession that comes up during a prayer in the mass, a word that triggers a stupid sexual innuendo mentally. I won't tell you the specific prayer or word involved, so my fellow brothers and sisters don't worry about it like I do :) Love y'all!
A priest told me once, that if I get sinful thoughts then I should say: "O, my Jesus, mercy". It really helps me alot. Another thing that helps is also to not pay to much attention to it or despair about it. So just say: "O my jesus, mercy" :)
When thoughts happen during prayer or mass, I usually do a quick on the side prayer and ask the guarding angel and Our Mother to pray for me and keep me not falling into temptation/following that thought. The thought can be from the devils (blackmail from the devils), or just some memory triggers by a word. I know exactly how that goes. I do a quick self-talk and ask myself where I am and that seems to bring me back to the mass. I always tell myself God is present right now, right here, I and try to give my utmost reverend and attention the liturgy of the word and the liturgy of the Eucharist. Every word that the priest says I must pay attention to and think of God is watching us and being with us. Fr. Corapi also talked about when he had 3 days of temptation with all kinds of sexual perversion and really hate it. He found out later in the news that during that time there are some witches hexing outside that church that he was traveling there to preach. The occult is real. If I spend every waking moment aware that God is watching, then it helps me to think about Him before doing thing. This also help me with humility especially when driving with all a in-a-hurry folks tailgating and cutting me off. The currency of love is time, the currency for humility is humiliation. lol. God send those people to exercise my virtue. To practice a virtue, we must overcome a vice. The mind cannot think of two things efficiently so flood you mind with words of God and other thing do not have room to be in your mind at the same time. I tend to pray faster so it's like a race (it sounds bad), but it actually helps me to say prayers instead of thinking of other thoughts. Saying 50 Hail Mary fast still take 15 minutes. And by the time 15 went by the bad thoughts also gone. There is a lot of way to rid of bad thoughts. Think about a certain saint also help. I like saint Veronica Guiliani. She is sure has Scrupulosity with all that mortification. She wanted to dominate her human nature by these sacrifice and mortification and fasting. Great Saint.
I'm sorry to hear this is one of your scruples. It's "funny" how we can obsess over certain thoughts rather than just peacefully letting them go.
I can tell you're a scrupulous person as you didn't mention what the word was...I'm like that too - conscious that I don't want to make other people worried of the things that worry me. Whereas I've noticed non-scrupulous people aren't sensitive to this.
I am so grateful that Tanner opened up about this. It made me cry, because it's a real thing and it can be suffocating. And it's so difficult to tell sometimes whether it's the legitimate voice of conscience or whether it's scrupulosity. God reached out during a time when I just stopped going to confession out of frustration and He allowed me to come across videos where a guy called Sean Forrest talked about the Father's love - and that made such a difference. It helps so much to know how deeply the Father loves you. I went to confession for the first time in eight months a few days back and the struggle isn't over, but I'm so glad to be home again, and bundled up in the Father's big heart.
Thank you for this video! My son is now suffering from Scrupulosity. It came upon him suddenly n he’s struggling with it. I just shared this video with him.❤
Learning about the 14 rules of St. Ignatius of Loyola's discernment of spirits helped me so much.
100% relate with this. Been struggling with is since I was 13 and am 24 now. People I know who love me and care for me would often say you just need to fade it you just need to pray more, and I felt like I could never be good enough. Definitely better now than I was, but it’s a daily struggle🙂
Thank you for your authenticity!
Do you have Christian therapist
Thank you for speaking about this!! God bless!
This hit close to home- thank you Tanner! It is indeed a real struggle and sometimes I feel it reflects my lack of trust in God, and not understanding His merciful nature. I don’t know about you all, but I get extremely scrupulous about certain grey areas where the church allows some freedom and prudence, e.g shopping on Sundays, not fasting exactly the way prescribed by our Lady at Medugorje, not saying rosary daily, wearing make up etc. . It is exhausting but reading works by Father Jacques Philippe, St Faustina’s diary etc have been helpful and simply repeating ‘Jesus I trust in You, thank you for loving me, has gone a long way in believing I am loved by a God far bigger than my sin and uncertainties. Praying for all of us here!
For every one person who has excessive scrupulosity, it seems to be that there are many more who are too "loosey goosey" and not scrupulous enough. Having a sensitive conscience is not all bad. Having an insensitive conscience is not so good.
Been struggling with scrupulosity lately, so thank you for this!!! God bless you Tanner
I've been struggling a lot with wondering whether or not I have committed a mortal sin. Thank you for uploading this!
Wow ! I Stumbled ( the Holy Spirit ) on this video and I can’t begin to tell you how helpful and informative as well as courageous you are .. yes like the saints ! Thank you very much!! Oh yes i had / have dad issues. I told God that I’m terrified of Him .. He said “ are you afraid of love?”
😓...I think I'm really struggling with this and I hope the Lord delivers me from it.
I started experiencing it about 3 years ago, after I decided to be more dedicated to doing God's will. I was so conscious of sinning that I became very cautious of every act I indulge myself, and I think that tends to destroy my peace. I came to realise that my mental health is not stable. Ever since I first experienced it I've been seeking help on the internet and all they say is to perform some exercises-workouts, socialise etc- which I've been doing but no restoration. And also, to seek help from a therapist or psychiatrist, which if I had had the chance I could've; but in my country we barely have 2 psychiatrist neither a therapist.
My hope is on the Lord.
I'll try my level best to pray for you.
Praise the Lord! I SO needed this. Thank you for speaking out on this topic. It’s very easy to feel isolated and crazy when facing scrupulosity, but things like this are helping silence those voices. Praying for continued healing of all those who suffer from this.
Thank you for sharing your own story and addressing those with scrupuloscity with love, gentleness, encouragement, kindness and understanding as well as HOPE. Thank you. I've found other resources that feel hurtful and condemning or dismissive which makes the pain worse, even if that is not their intention. This video was a relief. Thank you.
Thank you so much for sharing your struggle with scrupulosity. You understand this, and now I feel understood. Your "embarrassing" habit is relatable. Thank you. I've been on so many retreats, forcing myself to go too many times. Receiving the Eucharist is very difficult and bring up many doubts, panic, and questions. It's also so hard to know if G-d is speaking to me or it's my OCD. Thank you for sharing your struggle.
I went to confession yesterday, went to mass today and in the homily father talked about fraternal correction and sin and I thought I might be in mortal sin for not fraternal correction so I didn't receive Eucharist, then I asked the priest after mass who said I was ok, thank you GOD, and then I feel the need to go to mass again but I don't want to go. Today is sunday and I fulfilled the obligation.
This video was so good-I agree, I don’t think scrupulosity is often brought up and talked about, unless one purposely sought out the information. A book involving questions, answers, and encouragement by Fr. Thomas Santa has been so helpful and healing to me. I recommend it and other sources! And investing in your relationship with God the Father and asking Him to guide and help you in seeing His Heart is definitely important. I’ve never felt more at rest, like I can actually pause and dialogue when I’m struggling with my thoughts and discern better.
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I don't know if anyone has ever indirectly described me and my habits any better than this video has. Thank you for the help and God bless you!
A great resource for those who suffer from scrupulosity: "Understanding Scrupulosity: Questions and Encourgement" 3rd edition by Thomas M. Santa, CSsR.
That book has been a blessing to me and my journey to manage my scrupulosity. I have a lot of advices highlighted and I read them through whenever I feel like I need assurance.
Same here, I have not finished it yet, but I have already found it incredibly helpful.
Getting closer to Jesus Christ and digging in to God's word is helping me to stop leaning on (OCD/Scrupulosity) and to start to lean on him (Jesus) as we're supposed to. It's not always easy but his hand is always there to pull you back or lift you up when or if you start to slide.
Thank you for this Ascension Presents!!🙏🙏 Thank you God!! Thank Mother Mary!💙💙 When I saw the title, I knew this was just what I needed! I'm very grateful to my parish priest for being very patient with me. I just feel discouraged in praying the Rosary when I feel like there's no merits, but I promised Mary I would pray it everyday. And St. Louise did say "at least in quest of it [being in God's grace]". Of course receiving Holy Communion too.
Thank you for sharing this. It is comforting to know I'm not alone and not crazy. I am offering this up for the Souls in Purgatory and praying for and leaning on trust in God's Love and Mercy
Native American sweat lodge ceremony healed my OCD in one session ! Being in the heat and staying in the heat and breathing through the fire allows one to overcome the mind and drop into the body.
Ahhh, I as a 10-16-year-old when walking on the road and it was time to say the Angelus I had to make sure I genuflect during that part of the prayer and if did not do it I always felt unworthy. Fast forward to me now I can be lying on my bed and saying the Angelus lol. Some of these things pass with time as we grow older some don't, but what really helped me personally was studying the bible more and building a relationship with Jesus. Then I got to know all this physical drama as good as they may look, they don't really matter!!
The most helpful 10 minutes on scrupulosity I’ve had yet. Thank you so much! Grace & peace!
Thank you.
God is truly there with you to help you speak things your viewers need to hear. I've had OCD all my life, but have never heard of scrupulosity. When this video popped up I googled the word. I could not believe how well timed this video came to me. I want to explain my reason for this because a lot of others may be in the same situation, but I'll just exhaust myself lol! God bless all of you. He knows all your hearts ❤
I have struggled with a little scrupulosity about something that I remember half my life ago. It really sucks to have it there.
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I'm constantly like: Was this anger or wrath? Did I drink too much wine, was that a buzz or was I drunk?
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May God bless you all the days of your life. This has helped so much! I'm crying tears of joy typing this. Thank you my dear brother ❤.
this video came out exactly when i needed it! thank you so much, God bless you brother!
Thank you for this, I struggle with this. What confuses me is that I am not sure of is if I am experiencing
a call to penitence or just shame. I do tend to worry a lot and have problems with anxiety and fear of the future. I often find myself going over and over events that preceded the loss of friendships or relationships. I did Jordan Petersons psychological test a few years back
and I tested off the charts for neuroticism. This helped me bacause although I always knew that I had a tendency for this his test showed me that it was way worse than I thought and could be
pathological.
Neuroticism seems to be more associated with vigilance and feeling like everything depends on you. On some levels, I get anxious too, but I took the test with what I understood for myself saying I scored Very Low but could blow up if pushed too far. It makes you wonder if the spectrum isn’t a line but a circle.
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Hi, where can I take this test?
Thanks for discussing this. Most of people don't understand this. Only people who are struggling knows it
Thank you, thank you, thank you. I have struggled with scrupulosity for a while and because of this video I finally had the courage to talk to others about it and not feel crazy. It's unbearable at times but thank you for speaking about it. I feel like often Catholics who haven't experienced it aren't even aware that it exists.
I had such a good last two weeks of trusting God, and keeping him at the center of my obsessive thoughts, but this week I was hit so hard with the desire to go through compulsions, and I just can't shake it.
Please if you have this get help immediately. My husband of 42 years had OCD and scrupulosity and he took his life 3 1/2 years ago. He was a good man, but it took over his mind. I have pervasive sadness and grief and so does my family. And it’s affected my faith.
Maddie, your comment affected my heart. I will be praying for you and your journey of grief, for your family and for the soul of your husband.
Through all these comments, we must remember what St. Faustina learned from Jesus. Our sins are but a drop, in His OCEAN of mercy.
Lean into Jesus and let Him hold you. I pray you will come back to the Sacraments and receive the immense Grace you need.
I have OCD with scrupolosity since two years ago starting, like he said, with tiny things. For that i reccomend a lot to talk it with your spiritual director and a psicologist (i also had to get medical aide) so dont worry to ask for help
Hey I have been struggling with spiritual OCD for many years now I am 27 but still struggling but thanks to my SD I am doing batter, there are so many out there struggling with this but no one talks about this and it makes it even difficult
THANK YOU!!!!!! Prayers to all ... we are never alone ♥️
This video was the perfect thing I needed to hear at this point in my life, thank you so much
This was super good... Thank you very much for making this!
Thank you for sharing this! What a good topic to discuss!
I just discovered..... thanks for the clip.
Thank you SOooooo much for sharing your story. And your advice. I am praising Jesus for this video. Everything you shared is spot on. Praise Jesus May he bless you, and all of us who struggle with scrupulosity!!
Thank you for creating this video, Tanner! I struggle a lot with scrupulosity as well and am so glad that I watched this video. When I saw the video title, I was really stoked to watch it!! 😁
Amen.
Rule of advice: do not allow feelings into your mind; totally reject them, and purge them from existence- they are completely unreliable, always were, and always will be.
Thank you so much.I really needed this!
Struggling with scrupulosity since 2019. I already overcame obsession on some religious stuffs through ERP except in prayer. I still have a lot of intrusive thoughts. Best Advice I got was to find a Spiritual Director. I am still looking for mine. And really wish to find one who has experience in directing OCD sufferers. Thanks for this.❤️
I have a question. I frequently read of saints who endured strenuous self-inflicted torments in order to promote their personal holiness; others whose mantra was mortification. So my question is, how does one integrate the judicious indulgence of pious practices (which is good for us) with not yielding to scrupulousity (or even sometimes fanaticism) because there seems to be a very thin line between both.
Thank you, I needed to hear this message. God bless you friend ❤️🫂
Amen✝️
Thanks Tanner for your generous and sincere testimony, I believe it will help many people. And as you rightly pointed out, this is not a quick fix, it's a journey of healing. We need to dwell on God's fatherly love.
There's a lot of wisdom here that you rarely find from someone so young. Don't take that badly. I'm 72 years old, so everyone looks young to me!
I've been scrupulous since the age of 15, and I know a lot about it. That doesn't mean I've been wise in dealing with it all those years. It took me a long time to seek therapy, a little longer to seek a Catholic therapist, and longer still to land in a stable relationship with a good spiritual director. The thing I fought the most and longest against was taking medication. That was the last piece that helped put it all together. That's not to say I'm cured, but I'm dealing with my scruples a lot more productively. What the medication did is tamper down the noise of my anxiety over these issues just enough to allow me to hear and listen to the more rational parts of my brain. I'm not recommending meds for everyone. I'm just saying they helped me. BUT, it's not a replacement for the other treatment modalities mentioned in this video. They are critically necessary.
Lastly, I've worked on my relationship with God and have begun to understand more fully His love and care for me. That is the most important thing.
If you're scrupulous, listen to the advice in this video and follow it. It's rock solid.
May God bless you and lead you to a healing place!
Scrupulosity is truly debilitating. 2 weeks ago I went to confession 3 TIMES on the same day. And these past few weeks, I went to confession every single friday and the next sunday I never take communion. There's so many doubts and, even tho in some cases I might be exaggerating, I just cant go. I had a spiritual director but he had to go to his home country. So, for now, I dont have one (maybe I should ask for one asap, i literally live 10 minutes away from Fatima, it's easy to find). But until then, gonna watch these videos, maybe they'll help 💞✨️
I struggle with every unwanted thought, but I really am afraid of blasphemous thoughts, especially a certain kind of blasphemous thought that I won't disclose here. Sometimes I will be doing really well, then all of a sudden, I will have a thought come in my head telling me two things at once, 1, that the thought is unforgivable, and I will have another thought that says, and I do not believe either of these thoughts deep down, but the second thought tries to tell me that God wants me to blaspheme to stop the thought from coming into my head, which I don't believe, but it sets up a terrible battle.
@BenF I will pray for you.
Thank you, thank you, God bless you. AP does it again 🌟⭐
Thank you for your honesty and openness in talking about this. May God bless you and everyone watching.
It’s great to see more TH-cam videos on scrupulosity out there.
Thank you so much
I'm really enjoying Tanner's videos! I'm very glad to see new hosts on the channel.