Hi Kelkschiz thank you for adding that info, you are not the online one to note that. I never played it myself, and so few people have that I don't use it for reference. But it's good to know some have and follow my channel! Which game did you enjoy the most in the franchise?
@@perafilozof Cataclysm is the best imo. A shame you never played it. The original was very good as well of course. Homeworld 2 didn't do it for me. Both the story and the gameplay were not my thing with that one. I know there is also the land-based prequel, but that one I skipped.
@@Kelkschiz It was released at a time I had no good internet to download and no way to by the retail version. I was lucky to have played HW1 a bit after release. Thank you for sharing your own experience with the franchise. I too much preferred the way gameplay was executed in HW1, story I can live with in the second one, but yeah first was better. That is why it's so great these Devs are going back to the roots so much.
@@perafilozof You may still want to make an effort to play it. I know it won't be straightforward, considering how old it is. But it is still quite an experience. And in my view, its graphics were very modern for its time, and still stand up very well. But that game is all about the story, which is quite epic.
There was also a pretty fun gimmick in cata regarding resource collectors and salvaging. They could salvage so-called "space crystals" - a particular very volatile type of an asteroid. Then you haul it back to your command ship and dismantle it for some ungodly amount of resources. The catch was, if that crystal took enough enemy fire, it basically blew up like a nuke killing everything in a huge radius. (even command ships, if close enough). It was always a good laugh when it happened in a multiplayer match - could easily turn the tables.
One cool unforgettable feature in HW Cataclysm is the "let's volt in! (Voltes 5 style)" by the acolytes to turn into more powerful units (ACVs) by combining together (albeit irreversibly). And of course, the "pilot view", "time compression", and "unit promotion". I'd been waiting for HWC Remastered if it ever happens...
Hi, and thank you for sharing your thoughts on Cata! It is a shame beyond crying how it is only available on GoG and hasn't been remastered. The story of how it's original files were lost is another black mark on gaming history.
Population... that is one of the best things made in the mod Homeworld Complex, and several of its developers were contracted by the company to make the new game. I played the original game in 1999, and I never stop playing it
Hello Juan Lobos Martin and welcome to my channel. Thank you for mentioning that, in fact I have made two videos about the ERA ONE project, pre and post their Kickstarter. I really hope they finish the game in the way they planed because it will be amazing than. Which is your favorite Homeworld faction? BTW those Era One videos are here : th-cam.com/video/018KiDILxL8/w-d-xo.html
Yeah indeed it was. The developers seam to be charry picking the ideas from across the franchise for the 3rd instalment and that is great. Which is you favorite game?
Finally, the mothership actually has some substantial defensive, and possibly even offensive, firepower. I was so tired of worrying about the mothership being completely defenseless.
Yeah, this new system could be really cool if they upgrade it and have more features for it down the research line. Which is your favorite game of the franchise?
My favorite memory of using a salvage corvette was capturing EVERY ion cannon frigate in Bridge of Sighs…. I also managed to snag the destroyers and heavy cruisers too. Took over three hours but made the last two missions a cake walk haha.
One can tell that you never played homeworld CATACLYSM (f**k you activision-blizzard.) The workers were true to their namesake and worked their asses off in that game. They were repair and salvage corvettes and harvesters all in the same platform. Don't even get me started on the awesomeness that is the chieftain class processor! For real, it is a game that is not only worth the money, but a gods honest try at a playthrough, even with its dated graphics.
Hello Socar08 indeed, that is very true, all of it. I didn't manage to play it because of the way it was published and of my very low internet speed back than. So no copy for me. And no copy today which is a HUGE shame. I totally agree it had great elements which should be included in the next sequels of the franchise. You are actually not the first to say this and I am starting to be amazed of the number of my viewers which played it! Glad to have you here!
Oh wow, that actually came out? I read about it a few years back and never knew it was actually a released title! Thank you very much for telling me! Getting it right now.
As a side note: cataclysm was my inspiration for many ships in space engineers, and avorion. It is truly a lost child of the hw franchise, and even the developers wish they could have done more work with it, but a bunch of stuff (code and other such stuff) was lost in the transition away from Sierra, BBI and gearbox mentioned it back when they bought the title from Sierra, but it was only briefly talked about. (I believe because it is a sore subject for the devs) Cataclysm plays much more like hw 1 than 2, but it is definitely more fun AND has one of my favorite sci-fi villains.
Indeed, as other viewers commented that is correct. I only just started playing that one, had to skip it for a number of years until now. Which is your favorite game of the franchise?
@@perafilozof Personally I like the 1999 release of the original. That is mostly because it's where I learned how to texture and text edit mods and it was in my impressionable youth. Moded 2 with PDS then Cataclysm/Homefront followed by Sands, Vanilla 2 and then remastered.
@@Dswank that is awesome, thank you for sharing your first modding experience with us. Have you continued doing so? Btw here you can see even more new RTS games: th-cam.com/video/WzSqFUl3HUw/w-d-xo.html
Hi thank you for adding that info. I never played it myself, and so few people have that I don't use it for reference. But it's good to read more info it in these comments! Which game did you enjoy the most in the franchise? Btw your nick sounds familiar, Hiigaran's ship?
@@perafilozof I don't think Cataclysm is that unknown. Its very popular among the Homeworld community (lots of fans regard is as the best in the series), and, in the channel "Zade", it managed to get the numebr 22 spot in the "best rts campaigns ever" top based on a user survey.
@@perafilozof Yes I am, but I though it made sense to mention it as it is used a lot as a reference by that community. And the developers do listen to that community. I mean, some of us literally backed the project in 2019.
@@igorokinamujika2073 True, but the second reason why I didn't want to use it in the video, besides the one I mentioned already, is because I didn't play it myself. And I make a point of not using knowledge about games I haven't personally played as I think it would be dishonest to my viewers if I were to be pretending to understand something I didn't even managed to play up to now. I could have read a wiki or watched some gameplay as many of my fellow content creators do, but I really dislike doing something like that.
It's most likely that the new mothership is an attempt to reverse engineering the Sajuuk-Khar hyperspace system (from the looks of it's Hull Number , it's most likely this one is the 15th mothership ever constructed), the weirdest and biggest part of the trailer is that majority of the ships is coincidentally resemble a mix of Taiidan design, from the pancake mode, the fighters, even frigates, maybe the Taiidan Republic form a union with Hiigaran?
That would certainly take some explaining. But it could be just reverse engineering with upgrades. Like taking the best tech available at the time and leveling it up
That is a good point. Than again you would think they have perfected shielding if they can travel the universe and build spaceships in seconds inside the mothership :)
@@perafilozof until you remember that there is a large space and tonnage dedicated for shipbuilding facilities. And it's not like they'll even be able to scratch it anyway.... An explosion that destroyed the keepers didn't even scrape the paint off the core.
Home World 3 Is shaping up quite well and love the idea of hiding within wreckage within the background and enemies wreckage of destroyed ships as well In the rail Turret system is looking quite nice and hope that you can upgrade to a variety of different type of Turret's on board your mothership And the for ship formations are looking quite nice too and the visuals to these battles are going to look quite fine in the near future when all is completed within the game development And Looking forward for another great video of this game and hope to see more upgrades and Ships 👍😀
Hi don, it ia indeed. This gameplay footage was a gold mine of features but more than a few have yet to be shown. I am glad you enjoyed the video and the details I discussed!
Homeworld 1 was better and in that game, projectiles had actual physic, travel time, and direction to determine hit or miss, in Homeworld 2 it was only stimulation show and % chance to hit based on ship class. Stances and formations were vastly better in homeworld 1 and fuel was also a thing especially as we consider how the projectile's hit system worked. Salvage was OP. Homeworld 1 had locational damage for many big ships as well. In homeworld 1 you could ram enemy ships even by accidents and take and deal dmg. No such thing in HW 2 it was much more simplified and arcade-like fighter squadrons, with no fuel. HW 2 capital sub-system targeting was much better and as result bombers were much more useful. I preferred the resource collecting and healing methods of HW 2 as well. Capturing vessels were almost fully useless..... I Think cataclysm was the best, in that game workers also played multi-role of healer, capturer, and resource collector all in one. Micro ships were also a cool idea. So does the beast and the infection mechanic. Some crystal resources could explode and cause huge explosions, but no such thing in HW 1 or 2. The 8x timer option was good when there was no actual combat only buildings up or waiting for research.
Hello Crypto Gamer I love to read comments from long time fans who remember so much detail about these games! Welcome to my channel! I agree with almost everything, as I have similar thoughts on the two main games, the Cataclysm is the one I just started to play. I would just say that you could get some use out of capture mechanic in the second game but it was really hard and annoying. As for the fuel... I honestly think it worked well back in 1999 but today... it wouldn't find good reception among gamers. What are your expectations of the third game?
While I liked that the HW2 assumed you harvested the map at the end of a mission. I still preferred ended the mission myself after setting things up. Though I guess the game would hurt you more if you did that, considering HW2 ups the enemy ship count of next mission to match, the more ships you have at the end. At least from my understanding.
Hello Kenneth Falconer I am glad to see more people exited about those. Remaster used HW2 engine so the formations didn't really work out. But since this game is new they really did their best to bring what was best in HW1 to the table. Have you played any of the multiplayer or just campagin?
@@perafilozof Hi there, yes, I played hundreds of hours of multiplayer in Homeworld 1, Cataclysm, 2, and a fair bit of the remaster as well. Homeworld 1 was (for me) the best Multiplayer experience.. and formations were a large par of what made it so enjoyable. It wasn't just about what ships you had, it was about how well you used them.
It would be cool if the player could choose from different formation types but also a few different tightness where, for instance, you can choose, 20, 50 or 80-meter expanse between ships...
Hi Rob, that is an excellent suggestion and something I often wondered why the first game didn't have this. Which is your favorite game of the franchise? HW1?
@@perafilozof what you mean is you replayed the previous mission so you started that mission with enough salvage corvettes to steal all the attacker ships
About the Mothership in this game (shown in an extended gameplay video ) it can change from flat to standing orientation so i guess it will have gameplay elements tied to it to be justified. As others mentioned in Homeworld cataclysm u had the dual harvester/salvage corvettes . We can all agree the marine frig was a waste of space specially in the campaign where u couldnt capture ships which took u over your limit so u could have to battlecruisers and u were forbidden to capture a 3rd. In the old Homeworld 1 game salvage corvettes weren special ships they counted towards your total corvette limit which was 30 i believe. Talking about great haulls well i never ever destroyed ships above frigate size , all the enemy cap ships were calptured minus a few where to many were present all at once like in the interdictor station mission before jumping to Hiigara u have like 6 destoryers 1 Heavy cruiser and a missle destroyer , sometimes i didnt manage to capture all destroyers , but the important ones the like the MIssle destroyer and the HeavyCruiser there capture was always prio. At the start of the last mission u can have like 15+ Destroyers 6-8 MIssle Destroyers and i believe 5 Heavy Cruisers. In the remastered version because it had to play in multiplayer agains the homeworld 2 settings the salvagers were limited in number so u couldnt take more then 2-3 cap ships and maybe a super capital.
All good points callitri ! Especially about the missions and captured ships. I am sorry I don't have screenshots of my armadas from HW1. I was anal about capturing everything I could. I would be happy if the developers even tried to give us more of HW1 gameplay than HW2. I honestly think they themselves didn't know what a phenomenon the salvage corvettes were going to become so in HW2 they wanted to change that not understanding their audience. With a different mix of developers this time around and many fan's eyes on them, I think they will do what they can to fix HW2 problems.
I'm happy to see my pledge from exactly 3 years ago will come to life end of this year or maybe beginning of 2023! Patience... one thing really needs these days... ;-)
Word Luftwolf ! Amazing AAA games seem to be released farther and father apart these days, decades. I am really optimistic about this one, and scared to think what a failure of it would do to the whole genre, let alone a legion of fans.
I'm starting to really worry about the lack of any mention of corvettes so far. And now the reveal that resource collectors are taking the place of salvage corvettes, while welcome, further fuels that worry. I really loved my corvettes in HW1&2, so they'd better not be leaving them out here! I don't care how much longer it needs to be delayed, I need my corvettes!
I agree that its troubling. The corvettes of 1&2 were the gap that bridged the firepower of frigates, while sustaining some speed and maneuverability! It would be foolish to not implement corvettes or at leasf replace them with another type of multirole fighters.
@@richardgerman1462 I understand your worry, but we have yet to see all the gameplay aspects, so I think they will show up in future trailers and gameplay footage. BTW which was your favorite Homeworld game?
It would be disappointing to have ballistics back while NOT having an evasive stance to go along with them... EDIT: Also, the double role of resourcers was already there in HW:Cataclysm :)
Indeed it would, but the names might hide a bit different behavior. We need to see it in more gameplay to get an accurate idea how they function now. Good, you too mentioned HW Cataclysm, because I am only now playing it for the first time. Never had the chance before back when it came out due to a verity of reasons.
@@perafilozof I hope You have a great time with it. In terms of the story, general setting and atmostphere it's on par with the original. The Beast reminds me a lot of the classic movie "The Thing" where they find an infected space ship in permafrost. Great movie, it has all the 80's cheese as well, so if you're a fan of that period in cinematography with all its over the top concepts, it's a great watch.
@@perafilozof It's not horror per se, it's just a good sci-fi (the game). This is nowhere near a scary theme, more like a fight against a pandemic or an infection. Cata has a bit of a horror theme, but in the end it's just a classic "fight against all odds while the rest of theuniverse doesn't even realise you are the only thing stopping them from extinction" underdog scenario. :)
Tell me about it :) Are you more of a HW1 fan than HW2? Also, while you wait for HW3 here are more similar games: th-cam.com/video/9zqJa4H1uoI/w-d-xo.html
@@justheretoexist6064 Hehe, who does :) Thank you for sharing! Did you check out Ephemeris, Soil or Dust Front? th-cam.com/play/PLRYGjguAn0CFpLi_MlTb6PIgLkXQM632Y.html
Could also be the Turanic Raiders, some of the ship designs reminds me of it. I know some of the Gates connected to Aarran were pretty out there, including their space.
I think the dual role RC is a welcoming one if the scenario is where you have to kill all if not half of them boarding parties RC to release from captive before it succeed. Kinda like race against time thing. Tedious it maybe but it makes decision choices more impactful. As long as the capture mechanic is not Marine Frigate-like of HW2 or Rachel S'jet Hacking of HDoK.
We can only hope! Thank you for the comment berkin burduroğlu ! You might want to check out all the other RTS games coming out in the future on this list: th-cam.com/video/WzSqFUl3HUw/w-d-xo.html
While it was OP in the first game lots of people loved it just because of that, and hated the underpowered one in the second game. Something it between would be best. Which is your favorite game of the franchise?
Thank you Diarmuhnd ! But I really hope nothing will be as it was started as a project which got funding directly from fans. So a turn that big would make insane waves in the gaming community.
Wait, so if you capture an enemy vessel with your resource collector, does the enemy vessel become part of your fleet or just get broken down for the materials? Gotta say if it's the later that's a HUGE let down. My favorite thing to do was attempt to wrangle cloaking ship+ savage ships and steel the enemy ships. Literally spent hours doing this. Upon reaching final battle my armada was insane.
Well I remember you could cap a ship and then recycle ♻️ it if you were hard up for resources. Sorta of just want to adopt that old play style. Why destroy your enemies ship when you can steal them
I've only been able to find very short gameplay "clips", they look ok. They are just not long enough, nor from a trusted source. I stopped believing what AAA publishers show us these days.
A healthy dose of skepticism mixed in with a bit of optimism is definitely the right approach to AAA games in development. Good outlook Diarmuhnd ! What is your favorite game of the franchise?
Honestly I liked the concept of boarding but instead of having a dedicated ship why not have it as a feature or a subsystem you can install on frigates and up
Hello Collin and thank you for sharing your idea with us. One one hand I think it would be complicated to use on the other it would be different to say the least. My idea would be some sort of probe that attaches to he ship, puts an AI into it's systems, vents all he human crew out and brings the ship in on autopilot to your mothership.
@@perafilozof you know I would have never thought about something like that and it sounds cool. definitely keeps the casualties to a minimum to say the least hell if actual population is involved in terms of people. have an option to split the crew of the ship that's doing the boarding to make use of the vessel right away. but make it sub optional in performance
I wonder if this one go have basically Unlimited Supply of ships unlike homeworlds 1 and 2 and 3 the population and resources population size and crew wonderful have those cryo trays or whatever they're called that would be kind of cool
Well I got Homeworld remastered it'd be great to have it more like open like Stellaris or something maybe have a way to make passive income like in the spin-off command & Conquer generals where you played as the Chinese and used computer hackers to get money something like that you know like a passive income in a way but it's a lot slower. Or if they're adding more of a population feature maybe have something in the research tree
formations seems to just cripple your ships even more then in remaster. Specially fighters as they gather into ONE line and manuver for years to kill ONE enemy. Its much more efficient to just click stop when they engage so they stant in one spot and shoot like frigs or corvets. Railgun Corvets TON of range but AI just use them as rams and they die so you need to constantly stop them and use tripple shot manually. Bombers is dogshit. Also not a fun of that rock paper scissors mechanic from Desserts of Kharak. Ships die too fast you can berely even do shit to save them. Where is that rather long and beautiful fights with large ships shooting out while small ones fly around. Support frigs auto repair seems broken af. Also looking at battlecruiser in last mission all of the capital ships will be small as hell.
Hi and thank you for sharing your impressions of the Homeworld 3 demo. It is defiantly not a game we were all looking forward to. I am not sure why they felt they needed to reinvent the wheel on this one... but they did and its not good.
I think I might have read too much into that. It might have been just the unit counter per unit type packed into a sub menu instead of being available on screen.
Hi Rtype426 from what I can tell they haven't been shown yet. Some fear they are not in the game but ai think the developers are just planning another trailer in which to show them off. Like capital ships for example.
@@perafilozof Corvettes are very useful against lightly armored capital ships or dealing with overwhelming swarms of fighters. A great support for any combat units.
Hi motoboy6666 and welcome to my channel. Glad to see more Homeworld fans here. I think HW3 has more objects in space to hid behind. Some new ship designs, probably new weapons. A new story and characters. A full MP of players. How about those? BTW which is your favorite HW game?
Hi yeah, i guess we dont have all the details yet but this just look to me like a remaster more than a new game, nothing really new. I was hooked on hw1 which was so innovative when it came out. So you would like to see some innovation in 20 years time. But we ll see 👍
would we be able to collect resources after the battle on the map or do we get forced to the next Mission with letting the resources we couldn't collect behind?
Hi, that is indeed a very good question and after looking at the gameplay many times over and the developer blogs I have concluded that there might be missions where you won't be given that chance but that most of the campaign that will be how it works. We will see if I am correct soon enough. Whic game did you enjoy more HW1 or HW2? I rarely ask about Cataclysm as so few people played it.
My understanding following the development is that you can harvest big ships that have been destroyed, hey also work as cover like in company of heroes
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In Homeworld: Cataclysm, the resource collectors also doubled as salvaging ships. It worked fine there.
Hi Kelkschiz thank you for adding that info, you are not the online one to note that. I never played it myself, and so few people have that I don't use it for reference. But it's good to know some have and follow my channel! Which game did you enjoy the most in the franchise?
@@perafilozof Cataclysm is the best imo. A shame you never played it. The original was very good as well of course. Homeworld 2 didn't do it for me. Both the story and the gameplay were not my thing with that one. I know there is also the land-based prequel, but that one I skipped.
@@Kelkschiz It was released at a time I had no good internet to download and no way to by the retail version. I was lucky to have played HW1 a bit after release. Thank you for sharing your own experience with the franchise. I too much preferred the way gameplay was executed in HW1, story I can live with in the second one, but yeah first was better. That is why it's so great these Devs are going back to the roots so much.
@@perafilozof You may still want to make an effort to play it. I know it won't be straightforward, considering how old it is. But it is still quite an experience. And in my view, its graphics were very modern for its time, and still stand up very well. But that game is all about the story, which is quite epic.
There was also a pretty fun gimmick in cata regarding resource collectors and salvaging. They could salvage so-called "space crystals" - a particular very volatile type of an asteroid. Then you haul it back to your command ship and dismantle it for some ungodly amount of resources. The catch was, if that crystal took enough enemy fire, it basically blew up like a nuke killing everything in a huge radius. (even command ships, if close enough). It was always a good laugh when it happened in a multiplayer match - could easily turn the tables.
One cool unforgettable feature in HW Cataclysm is the "let's volt in! (Voltes 5 style)" by the acolytes to turn into more powerful units (ACVs) by combining together (albeit irreversibly). And of course, the "pilot view", "time compression", and "unit promotion". I'd been waiting for HWC Remastered if it ever happens...
Hi, and thank you for sharing your thoughts on Cata! It is a shame beyond crying how it is only available on GoG and hasn't been remastered. The story of how it's original files were lost is another black mark on gaming history.
Population... that is one of the best things made in the mod Homeworld Complex, and several of its developers were contracted by the company to make the new game. I played the original game in 1999, and I never stop playing it
Hello Juan Lobos Martin and welcome to my channel. Thank you for mentioning that, in fact I have made two videos about the ERA ONE project, pre and post their Kickstarter. I really hope they finish the game in the way they planed because it will be amazing than. Which is your favorite Homeworld faction? BTW those Era One videos are here : th-cam.com/video/018KiDILxL8/w-d-xo.html
I think "population" in this case is used more like a unit cap, but I could be wrong.
Indeed that is probably it. I kind of hoped for more :)
I like the collector/salvage Corvette, I think that was in the HW Catalyst game, were ships were more flexable.
Yeah indeed it was. The developers seam to be charry picking the ideas from across the franchise for the 3rd instalment and that is great. Which is you favorite game?
Hippity hoppity your ship is now my property.
Hahaha, epic comment :)
Finally, the mothership actually has some substantial defensive, and possibly even offensive, firepower. I was so tired of worrying about the mothership being completely defenseless.
Yeah, this new system could be really cool if they upgrade it and have more features for it down the research line. Which is your favorite game of the franchise?
My favorite memory of using a salvage corvette was capturing EVERY ion cannon frigate in Bridge of Sighs…. I also managed to snag the destroyers and heavy cruisers too. Took over three hours but made the last two missions a cake walk haha.
Truly a passionate gamer! That is a feet to remember for the ages! Thank you kindly for sharing that moment with us!
One can tell that you never played homeworld CATACLYSM (f**k you activision-blizzard.)
The workers were true to their namesake and worked their asses off in that game. They were repair and salvage corvettes and harvesters all in the same platform. Don't even get me started on the awesomeness that is the chieftain class processor!
For real, it is a game that is not only worth the money, but a gods honest try at a playthrough, even with its dated graphics.
Hello Socar08 indeed, that is very true, all of it. I didn't manage to play it because of the way it was published and of my very low internet speed back than. So no copy for me. And no copy today which is a HUGE shame. I totally agree it had great elements which should be included in the next sequels of the franchise. You are actually not the first to say this and I am starting to be amazed of the number of my viewers which played it! Glad to have you here!
@@perafilozof gog games has it under the title homeworld:emergence.
Edit: just as an FYI if you ever decide to try it :)
Oh wow, that actually came out? I read about it a few years back and never knew it was actually a released title! Thank you very much for telling me! Getting it right now.
@@perafilozof no problem :)
As a side note: cataclysm was my inspiration for many ships in space engineers, and avorion.
It is truly a lost child of the hw franchise, and even the developers wish they could have done more work with it, but a bunch of stuff (code and other such stuff) was lost in the transition away from Sierra, BBI and gearbox mentioned it back when they bought the title from Sierra, but it was only briefly talked about. (I believe because it is a sore subject for the devs)
Cataclysm plays much more like hw 1 than 2, but it is definitely more fun AND has one of my favorite sci-fi villains.
For Cataclysm/Homefront the salvage and resource collection was handled by 1 ship and it worked well.
Indeed, as other viewers commented that is correct. I only just started playing that one, had to skip it for a number of years until now. Which is your favorite game of the franchise?
@@perafilozof Personally I like the 1999 release of the original. That is mostly because it's where I learned how to texture and text edit mods and it was in my impressionable youth. Moded 2 with PDS then Cataclysm/Homefront followed by Sands, Vanilla 2 and then remastered.
@@Dswank that is awesome, thank you for sharing your first modding experience with us. Have you continued doing so? Btw here you can see even more new RTS games: th-cam.com/video/WzSqFUl3HUw/w-d-xo.html
@@perafilozof Just janky text editing I don't have much time to do all of my hobbies anymore.
Oh I can definitely relate. Growing up sucks...
collectors could salvage in homewolrd: cataclysm
Hi thank you for adding that info. I never played it myself, and so few people have that I don't use it for reference. But it's good to read more info it in these comments! Which game did you enjoy the most in the franchise? Btw your nick sounds familiar, Hiigaran's ship?
@@perafilozof I don't think Cataclysm is that unknown. Its very popular among the Homeworld community (lots of fans regard is as the best in the series), and, in the channel "Zade", it managed to get the numebr 22 spot in the "best rts campaigns ever" top based on a user survey.
@@igorokinamujika2073 Hi Igor, that is true, but do you realize how small the number of players is: " very popular among the Homeworld community" :)
@@perafilozof Yes I am, but I though it made sense to mention it as it is used a lot as a reference by that community. And the developers do listen to that community. I mean, some of us literally backed the project in 2019.
@@igorokinamujika2073 True, but the second reason why I didn't want to use it in the video, besides the one I mentioned already, is because I didn't play it myself. And I make a point of not using knowledge about games I haven't personally played as I think it would be dishonest to my viewers if I were to be pretending to understand something I didn't even managed to play up to now. I could have read a wiki or watched some gameplay as many of my fellow content creators do, but I really dislike doing something like that.
It's most likely that the new mothership is an attempt to reverse engineering the Sajuuk-Khar hyperspace system (from the looks of it's Hull Number , it's most likely this one is the 15th mothership ever constructed), the weirdest and biggest part of the trailer is that majority of the ships is coincidentally resemble a mix of Taiidan design, from the pancake mode, the fighters, even frigates, maybe the Taiidan Republic form a union with Hiigaran?
That would certainly take some explaining. But it could be just reverse engineering with upgrades. Like taking the best tech available at the time and leveling it up
Perhaps the much more exposed cores were because of the stupidly immense energy emanating from it. Imagine having 3 suns powering 1 ship.
That is a good point. Than again you would think they have perfected shielding if they can travel the universe and build spaceships in seconds inside the mothership :)
@@perafilozof until you remember that there is a large space and tonnage dedicated for shipbuilding facilities. And it's not like they'll even be able to scratch it anyway.... An explosion that destroyed the keepers didn't even scrape the paint off the core.
Home World 3 Is shaping up quite well and love the idea of hiding within wreckage within the background and enemies wreckage of destroyed ships as well
In the rail Turret system is looking quite nice and hope that you can upgrade to a variety of different type of Turret's on board your mothership
And the for ship formations are looking quite nice too and the visuals to these battles are going to look quite fine in the near future when all is completed within the game development
And Looking forward for another great video of this game and hope to see more upgrades and Ships 👍😀
Hi don, it ia indeed. This gameplay footage was a gold mine of features but more than a few have yet to be shown. I am glad you enjoyed the video and the details I discussed!
This is legit what I hoped to have in HW2 when I read in the manual you could build turrets (before playing the actual game) XD
Homeworld 1 was better and in that game, projectiles had actual physic, travel time, and direction to determine hit or miss, in Homeworld 2 it was only stimulation show and % chance to hit based on ship class.
Stances and formations were vastly better in homeworld 1 and fuel was also a thing especially as we consider how the projectile's hit system worked. Salvage was OP.
Homeworld 1 had locational damage for many big ships as well. In homeworld 1 you could ram enemy ships even by accidents and take and deal dmg.
No such thing in HW 2 it was much more simplified and arcade-like fighter squadrons, with no fuel.
HW 2 capital sub-system targeting was much better and as result bombers were much more useful. I preferred the resource collecting and healing methods of HW 2 as well.
Capturing vessels were almost fully useless.....
I Think cataclysm was the best, in that game workers also played multi-role of healer, capturer, and resource collector all in one. Micro ships were also a cool idea. So does the beast and the infection mechanic. Some crystal resources could explode and cause huge explosions, but no such thing in HW 1 or 2.
The 8x timer option was good when there was no actual combat only buildings up or waiting for research.
Hello Crypto Gamer I love to read comments from long time fans who remember so much detail about these games! Welcome to my channel! I agree with almost everything, as I have similar thoughts on the two main games, the Cataclysm is the one I just started to play.
I would just say that you could get some use out of capture mechanic in the second game but it was really hard and annoying. As for the fuel... I honestly think it worked well back in 1999 but today... it wouldn't find good reception among gamers.
What are your expectations of the third game?
While I liked that the HW2 assumed you harvested the map at the end of a mission. I still preferred ended the mission myself after setting things up. Though I guess the game would hurt you more if you did that, considering HW2 ups the enemy ship count of next mission to match, the more ships you have at the end. At least from my understanding.
Formations are back baby!!!! Yeeesss! I'm so glad to see it after they broke them in the remaster.
Hello Kenneth Falconer I am glad to see more people exited about those. Remaster used HW2 engine so the formations didn't really work out. But since this game is new they really did their best to bring what was best in HW1 to the table. Have you played any of the multiplayer or just campagin?
@@perafilozof Hi there, yes, I played hundreds of hours of multiplayer in Homeworld 1, Cataclysm, 2, and a fair bit of the remaster as well. Homeworld 1 was (for me) the best Multiplayer experience.. and formations were a large par of what made it so enjoyable. It wasn't just about what ships you had, it was about how well you used them.
It would be cool if the player could choose from different formation types but also a few different tightness where, for instance, you can choose, 20, 50 or 80-meter expanse between ships...
Hi Rob, that is an excellent suggestion and something I often wondered why the first game didn't have this. Which is your favorite game of the franchise? HW1?
Yeh the salvage cover was OP back in the day. They spilled all the fun with the story line balances in the remaster
Hi Andrew Hopper and thank you for the comment! What exactly do you think they ruined in the remaster?
In Homeworld 1, I captured all the enemy frigates attacking the cryo-trays. Nice stolen capital-ship start to the campaign :)
Haha my man! I replayed that mission a dozen times to do the same :)
@@perafilozof what you mean is you replayed the previous mission so you started that mission with enough salvage corvettes to steal all the attacker ships
@@insertcognomen Haha, that is next level stuff right there :)
About the Mothership in this game (shown in an extended gameplay video ) it can change from flat to standing orientation so i guess it will have gameplay elements tied to it to be justified. As others mentioned in Homeworld cataclysm u had the dual harvester/salvage corvettes . We can all agree the marine frig was a waste of space specially in the campaign where u couldnt capture ships which took u over your limit so u could have to battlecruisers and u were forbidden to capture a 3rd. In the old Homeworld 1 game salvage corvettes weren special ships they counted towards your total corvette limit which was 30 i believe.
Talking about great haulls well i never ever destroyed ships above frigate size , all the enemy cap ships were calptured minus a few where to many were present all at once like in the interdictor station mission before jumping to Hiigara u have like 6 destoryers 1 Heavy cruiser and a missle destroyer , sometimes i didnt manage to capture all destroyers , but the important ones the like the MIssle destroyer and the HeavyCruiser there capture was always prio.
At the start of the last mission u can have like 15+ Destroyers 6-8 MIssle Destroyers and i believe 5 Heavy Cruisers.
In the remastered version because it had to play in multiplayer agains the homeworld 2 settings the salvagers were limited in number so u couldnt take more then 2-3 cap ships and maybe a super capital.
All good points callitri ! Especially about the missions and captured ships. I am sorry I don't have screenshots of my armadas from HW1. I was anal about capturing everything I could.
I would be happy if the developers even tried to give us more of HW1 gameplay than HW2. I honestly think they themselves didn't know what a phenomenon the salvage corvettes were going to become so in HW2 they wanted to change that not understanding their audience.
With a different mix of developers this time around and many fan's eyes on them, I think they will do what they can to fix HW2 problems.
I'm happy to see my pledge from exactly 3 years ago will come to life end of this year or maybe beginning of 2023!
Patience... one thing really needs these days... ;-)
Word Luftwolf ! Amazing AAA games seem to be released farther and father apart these days, decades. I am really optimistic about this one, and scared to think what a failure of it would do to the whole genre, let alone a legion of fans.
i would made one years ago if i had a creditcard. would be nice if paypal was allowed back then.
I'm starting to really worry about the lack of any mention of corvettes so far. And now the reveal that resource collectors are taking the place of salvage corvettes, while welcome, further fuels that worry. I really loved my corvettes in HW1&2, so they'd better not be leaving them out here! I don't care how much longer it needs to be delayed, I need my corvettes!
Hi Adam and welcome to my channel. Indeed, I too haven't seen them, but it would be really strange that they are not there.
I agree that its troubling. The corvettes of 1&2 were the gap that bridged the firepower of frigates, while sustaining some speed and maneuverability! It would be foolish to not implement corvettes or at leasf replace them with another type of multirole fighters.
@@richardgerman1462 I understand your worry, but we have yet to see all the gameplay aspects, so I think they will show up in future trailers and gameplay footage. BTW which was your favorite Homeworld game?
It would be disappointing to have ballistics back while NOT having an evasive stance to go along with them...
EDIT: Also, the double role of resourcers was already there in HW:Cataclysm :)
Indeed it would, but the names might hide a bit different behavior. We need to see it in more gameplay to get an accurate idea how they function now.
Good, you too mentioned HW Cataclysm, because I am only now playing it for the first time. Never had the chance before back when it came out due to a verity of reasons.
@@perafilozof I hope You have a great time with it. In terms of the story, general setting and atmostphere it's on par with the original. The Beast reminds me a lot of the classic movie "The Thing" where they find an infected space ship in permafrost. Great movie, it has all the 80's cheese as well, so if you're a fan of that period in cinematography with all its over the top concepts, it's a great watch.
@@zardzewialy Thank you! I am not big on horror movies, TV shows or games, but some elements in game I can live with.
@@perafilozof It's not horror per se, it's just a good sci-fi (the game). This is nowhere near a scary theme, more like a fight against a pandemic or an infection. Cata has a bit of a horror theme, but in the end it's just a classic "fight against all odds while the rest of theuniverse doesn't even realise you are the only thing stopping them from extinction" underdog scenario. :)
Im going to enjoy kidnapped many enemy ships when the game releases :D
Tell me about it :) Are you more of a HW1 fan than HW2? Also, while you wait for HW3 here are more similar games: th-cam.com/video/9zqJa4H1uoI/w-d-xo.html
@@perafilozof Both HW1-2 are enjoyable, although admittedly I don't like the marine frigate much :D
@@justheretoexist6064 Hehe, who does :) Thank you for sharing! Did you check out Ephemeris, Soil or Dust Front? th-cam.com/play/PLRYGjguAn0CFpLi_MlTb6PIgLkXQM632Y.html
i need to know who the Hagariaan is fighting this time around. would it be a new race? some sort of combination from the remnants of Vaygr and Tidan?
Honestly, I am not sure, I didn't try to get into that, as I like to just be surprised once I start playing.
Could also be the Turanic Raiders, some of the ship designs reminds me of it. I know some of the Gates connected to Aarran were pretty out there, including their space.
Maybe be... we should have a fantastic storyline ahead of us.
I think the dual role RC is a welcoming one if the scenario is where you have to kill all if not half of them boarding parties RC to release from captive before it succeed. Kinda like race against time thing. Tedious it maybe but it makes decision choices more impactful. As long as the capture mechanic is not Marine Frigate-like of HW2 or Rachel S'jet Hacking of HDoK.
Indeed, good points! Your favorite is than HW1?
i played HW2 at first. Plot-wise i like HW1 more
@@ShiraNexus I don't have a problem with the plot, but I could never forgive the formations and squads change.
turrent upgrades? can we turn the mothership in to the battlestar galactica :D
We can only hope! Thank you for the comment berkin burduroğlu ! You might want to check out all the other RTS games coming out in the future on this list: th-cam.com/video/WzSqFUl3HUw/w-d-xo.html
I did not like both types of salvage ships and only used them, when the story needed them. To OP for my taste.
While it was OP in the first game lots of people loved it just because of that, and hated the underpowered one in the second game. Something it between would be best. Which is your favorite game of the franchise?
@@perafilozof Homeworld 1. played it through several times, inkl the remastered of course.
Sweet l, same here, thank you for sharing!
I'm waiting to see what gets paywalled.
Thanks for the info video. Have fun, be safe.
Thank you Diarmuhnd ! But I really hope nothing will be as it was started as a project which got funding directly from fans. So a turn that big would make insane waves in the gaming community.
Wait, so if you capture an enemy vessel with your resource collector, does the enemy vessel become part of your fleet or just get broken down for the materials?
Gotta say if it's the later that's a HUGE let down. My favorite thing to do was attempt to wrangle cloaking ship+ savage ships and steel the enemy ships. Literally spent hours doing this. Upon reaching final battle my armada was insane.
It was always working in the way that it becomes part of your fleet
Well I remember you could cap a ship and then recycle ♻️ it if you were hard up for resources. Sorta of just want to adopt that old play style. Why destroy your enemies ship when you can steal them
@@kazzdevlin5339 yes, but only once it was captured
I am torn on this design...
Which feature exactly? The mothership design?
Do let me know what else you noticed and what do you think about the gameplay so far?
I've only been able to find very short gameplay "clips", they look ok. They are just not long enough, nor from a trusted source.
I stopped believing what AAA publishers show us these days.
A healthy dose of skepticism mixed in with a bit of optimism is definitely the right approach to AAA games in development. Good outlook Diarmuhnd ! What is your favorite game of the franchise?
Honestly I liked the concept of boarding but instead of having a dedicated ship why not have it as a feature or a subsystem you can install on frigates and up
Hello Collin and thank you for sharing your idea with us. One one hand I think it would be complicated to use on the other it would be different to say the least. My idea would be some sort of probe that attaches to he ship, puts an AI into it's systems, vents all he human crew out and brings the ship in on autopilot to your mothership.
@@perafilozof you know I would have never thought about something like that and it sounds cool. definitely keeps the casualties to a minimum to say the least hell if actual population is involved in terms of people. have an option to split the crew of the ship that's doing the boarding to make use of the vessel right away. but make it sub optional in performance
I am glad you like my idea. I think the exact crew mechanics are beyond the scope of the current gameplay.
I wonder if this one go have basically Unlimited Supply of ships unlike homeworlds 1 and 2 and 3 the population and resources population size and crew wonderful have those cryo trays or whatever they're called that would be kind of cool
I am 99% sure there will be limits, because there always have been. They might just make more of an effort to explain why now.
is this just another map to map mission to mission or will it be an open world sandbox type of thing?
No info on that front. How do you see a sandbox world working in HW?
Well I got Homeworld remastered it'd be great to have it more like open like Stellaris or something maybe have a way to make passive income like in the spin-off command & Conquer generals where you played as the Chinese and used computer hackers to get money something like that you know like a passive income in a way but it's a lot slower. Or if they're adding more of a population feature maybe have something in the research tree
formations seems to just cripple your ships even more then in remaster. Specially fighters as they gather into ONE line and manuver for years to kill ONE enemy. Its much more efficient to just click stop when they engage so they stant in one spot and shoot like frigs or corvets. Railgun Corvets TON of range but AI just use them as rams and they die so you need to constantly stop them and use tripple shot manually. Bombers is dogshit. Also not a fun of that rock paper scissors mechanic from Desserts of Kharak. Ships die too fast you can berely even do shit to save them. Where is that rather long and beautiful fights with large ships shooting out while small ones fly around. Support frigs auto repair seems broken af. Also looking at battlecruiser in last mission all of the capital ships will be small as hell.
Hi and thank you for sharing your impressions of the Homeworld 3 demo. It is defiantly not a game we were all looking forward to. I am not sure why they felt they needed to reinvent the wheel on this one... but they did and its not good.
Population counter? what is this? battlestar galactica?
I think I might have read too much into that. It might have been just the unit counter per unit type packed into a sub menu instead of being available on screen.
What happened to the traditional corvette ships? Please! Corvettes are an important part of homeworld tradition.
Hi Rtype426 from what I can tell they haven't been shown yet. Some fear they are not in the game but ai think the developers are just planning another trailer in which to show them off. Like capital ships for example.
@@perafilozof Corvettes are very useful against lightly armored capital ships or dealing with overwhelming swarms of fighters. A great support for any combat units.
All very true, and I hope exactly how they will work in this game as well. We just have to wait and see.
All i see is a HW1 (the same ships) with more sharp graphics and hiding behind objects, wonder what the incentive with this game really is?
Hi motoboy6666 and welcome to my channel. Glad to see more Homeworld fans here. I think HW3 has more objects in space to hid behind. Some new ship designs, probably new weapons. A new story and characters. A full MP of players. How about those? BTW which is your favorite HW game?
Hi yeah, i guess we dont have all the details yet but this just look to me like a remaster more than a new game, nothing really new. I was hooked on hw1 which was so innovative when it came out. So you would like to see some innovation in 20 years time. But we ll see 👍
I think they are playing it a bit safe, but doing a HW1 upgrade instead of an overhall. If we get HW4 it will probably be with more creative freedom
i do not like the fact thet the cores are expozed .
And I totally agree but they can probably find some justification in the story
would we be able to collect resources after the battle on the map or do we get forced to the next Mission with letting the resources we couldn't collect behind?
Hi, that is indeed a very good question and after looking at the gameplay many times over and the developer blogs I have concluded that there might be missions where you won't be given that chance but that most of the campaign that will be how it works. We will see if I am correct soon enough. Whic game did you enjoy more HW1 or HW2? I rarely ask about Cataclysm as so few people played it.
My understanding following the development is that you can harvest big ships that have been destroyed, hey also work as cover like in company of heroes
@@perafilozof i played only HW 2 remastered so far.
Yeah, that is how I got the info as well. It just depends on which ships, which classes, leave how much resources.
Wasn't there a feature that auto-collects everything left on the map when the mission finishes, at least in the remastered version?
formartions are in HW1.....
Yes. No one said otherwise. The point made was about smaller units which were built already in small wings( formations) .