You're trying to make card game anime more like real card games. But why not make real card games more like their animes? I'm still waiting for a massive military corporation to invest in developing 3D hologram technology, and then for someone to discover dark magic in ancient Egypt that turns my casual weekend duels into life or death matches with the fate of the world at stake. Is that really too much to ask?
I recently made a list of all the cards i could remember that were in my deck (i stopped playing TCGs in 05/06).........literally every card i could remember was prohibited.
@@crypticbeast1013 don't mock the original hand trap. That hairy little fucker is the reason why we got cancer like the hand trap wifus for all the neckbeards who spent money on that instead of deodorant.
Maybe that deck was for fun? "You got some great strikers... Oh, sorry! Got Exodia." ...I just took the SPARKS out of the deck! "Oh..Lucky me .." [Grandpa LP 100]
Joey actually has one of the strongest decks by the end of battle city, partially because it seems to be built around mitigating the loses of those gambles. He's more hit with npc syndrome than anything else.
9:17 You know, I'm reminded of a moment in Yu-Gi-Oh! ZEXAL, where a villain character, Vector, pretented to be the protag Yuma's new friend, and gave him some powerful cards as a sign of "friendship". Then, when the mask came off during their match against each other, Vector, KNOWING that Yuma would put those cards in his deck for sentimental reasons, is able to play a hard counter that gives him a huge advantage and Yuma a huge disadvantage, entirely BECAUSE he has those cards in his deck.
I came to comment this. Ray then proceeds to psychologically screw with Yuma and I like that Yuma is really tested in this episode. Not to mention there’s two other duels going on. Nice catch sir Tristan
There's also an episode of Arc-V where one of the characters uses strategy. During a tournament, one of the adversaries is using different summoning methods, so one of the supporting characters techs against them when it comes time to duel (because that's apparently legal). The supporting character looses, because plot, but it was still fascinating to see that. The best part? THE SUPORTING CHARACTER WAS PART OF THE PRE-SCOOLER GANG!
That was one of my favorite duels until the protagonist plot armored their way through the best-laid villain battle of the series. Litteral Destiny Draw so that the card wasn't what Vector gave him instead of any kind of strategy to get through it.
@@joshuaduck4139 I agree. I was quite sad and when he drew the barian rank up card, then "by the power of Zexal I literally recreate this card into a different one!" Be cooler if: "I will now defeat you with a very cardi gave me is proof of the friendship we had was real, but not anymore." after winning he throw back the rank up card and walk away. Ray would fume on this for a while, looking at the card sometimes, and eventually lead to his redemption.
C Vox Thats actually true. With enough money, card games goes to the rich with all that desposible income to throw on packs or hell specific cards online for like 40 bucks EACH.
The interesting part is that in the first three series, Yu-Gi-Oh, GX and 5Ds, the only player who actually dedicated time to build decks and create counter strategies, Bastion Misawa/Misawa Daichi, was treated like a weirdo and became somewhat of a running gag in the later part of the series
@@johnla1037 Phineas and Ferb despite not being anime are proof there doesn't need to be a barrier between fun for kids and fun for adults (except the obvious stuff) I mean imagine a show that is just like Yu-Gi-Oh with levels of grounded strategy (for older and more experienced audience) while fighting to save the world with flashy stuff on screen (for younger kids) at the same time, so the kids (edit: after growing) can look back and still enjoy it, or learn the game while watching without the need to look online for tutorials or deck lists to test.
@@kamencraftbrasil4367 Phineas and Ferb seem like a weird example sense they do things that are usually impossible, and the "science project" is never the backbone of the show. It is usually just something super crazy and over the top sense they want each episode to be different, and they throw a few morals or what an aglet is. I don't remember there ever being anything really complicated in it.
@@xCCflierx it wasn't about Phineas and Ferb being grounded as much as I was talking about the show being enjoyable by all ages, the person I was answering to seemed to have a mindset of kids stuff being not being enjoyable for an older audience, and Phineas and Ferb just so happened to be one of the most famous (that I remembered while writing the comment) examples of content for both kids and adults.
There’s kind of some mixed messaging in Yu-Gi-Oh. “Villainous” strategies are sometimes legitimate and good, but are painted badly because they “disrespect” the cards. This is a lot to do with Kazuki Takahashi’s ideals in how the collective is more capable when together, but doesn’t translate smoothly at all given that a good deck is also a set of component things working together to do more than they could separately.
I just want a yugioh villain who plays chain burn. That's all he does. He doesn't steal souls or kill people, he just plays chain burn. That's enough to make you hate him.
There is the piece of crap from yugioh 5ds who used damaging effect cards( I think 80% of his deck is damaging spell cards) in one of the yugioh 5ds ds games he is a boss and he gets to start with ten cards in his hand I hate him so much!
Jeremy Garner "Chain Strike OTK Chain Strike or Chain Burn is a Deck usually designed to win by the first to third turn. This is accomplished by starting a chainwith and continuing until a well-timed "Chain Strike" can generate enough burn damage to win. These Decks are generally built with very few monsters." -From the yugioh wiki Chain burn is just a really degenerate deck that is a pain to play against
Well, there is a few episodes in the western ark of snd season of 5D's where one guy just ftks ppl with burn. The only thing that does stop him is Yusei's effect veiler.
"What deck do you play?" *Pours a bucket of ocean water over my head.* Nothing to explain. *Travels back in time to duel Mako, the one who introduced me to the set of 'Umi' cards.*
Lol oh Jonuchi, you dickbag. I can't believe I read Yugioh in Shonen Jump before the card game was a big deal. I didn't like it because people were straight up getting murdered lol
Fun fact that a anime only thing in the manga yugi and Joey never duel because Joey knows yugi is their best shot at beating pegasus so he goes for second place because he wanted to help yugi react to the top and get the prize money
"You never know 100% what cards you'll draw" Ha! That's what you think, fool! But what say you when I play my 40 CARD POT OF GREED DECK, ALLOWING ME TO DRAW EVERY CARD IN MY DECK AND DECK OUT ON THE FIRST TURN!
@@wavewingman5993 Okay, so there is a card game I'm playing, called Shadowverse. And there is a deck which uses the follower Spartacus who makes you automatically win when your deck runs out. But it's no longer played in meta - too slow
"Destroy All Humanity. They Can't Be Regenerated" has a lot of what you want. It's a romcom/cardgame manga about a bunch of people playing Magic: The Gathering at their local game shop in the 90's. It works as a history lesson for the game's meta just as well as it does a story - there's actually a point where during the "combo winter" of 1998 the players all end up getting frustrated with the game and you learn a lot about WHY that's happening. The stakes are super duper low most of the time and the players run decks that fit into the meta of whatever time period the manga is in and run them in a sensible way. It also just has a lot of character moments outside of the card game which prevent it from becoming tiring to watch people play MtG. The focus is on the game as a hobby rather than as a vehicle for HIGH STAKES CARDBOARD COMBAT and I adore it. By the same author as Onani Master Kurosawa, who goes super far out of the way to draw all the classic card artwork as it was but simultaneously in a manga style. It's really cool, check it out.
The E-Card arc of Kaiji season 1 (with the slave, emperor, and citizen) had a lot of cool mind game elements that would be really cool translated into a TCG setting.
Competitive matches are actually really interesting to watch, ppl tend to shit talk meta decks, but they are usually very skillfull decks to use at full potential, seeing a good pendulum magician, D/D/D, Dino Yang zings or even zoo was very cool, anyone can use these decks and get wins, but using them at full power takes a lot of skill
Yu-Gi-Oh GX took the "game" aspect of the "card game" further than most other YGO anime, showing characters opening packs, bricking, swapping cards, tech choices, etc. The story was obviously centered around a world-threatening danger, but you felt real attachment of the characters to their cards, as opposed to most other shows where they have all the individuality of Ki Blasts in DBZ. Something you rarely see in card game anime is two characters squaring off while using the same decks, which most certainly happened in GX. I was actually really disappointed when the second season hit and the protagonist received a bunch of cards from outer space that were destined to defeat the evil of said season. It felt better when he was simply using his favorite deck consisting of cards that he likes, as opposed to being pre-destined to pilot a specific build that was given to him by the stars or fucking whatever in order to save the world. The point where I would say the Yu-Gi-Oh anime backs away from crossing the line of wider mass appeal is the purpose for which the cards are used. Most people will write off an anime if they know it involves solving 95% of the conflicts (including world-scale ones) with card games. The ideal card game anime, when it comes to story, would probably be similar to Ping Pong the Animation - delving into the intricacies of a specific interest while focusing on the personal story of a group of people involved in it. Nothing more, nothing less. Maybe add a little bit of Kaiji intensity to keep people on the edge of their seat. The point of Yu-Gi-Oh was, at least since GX (and it has only become more obvious as time went on, GX handled it fairly tastefully) to sell kids cards by making them look flashy and exciting - and it works, so there's really not much incentive to change for them. I can't imagine who would approach the undertaking of producing a relatively serious, down-to-earth TCG anime series, but I'm curious about the reception it would get.
Gx is kinda weird, it has a mixture of that where it is close to the real game, but had random stuff like duel monkey, that buff guy who trained to draw the perfect card, duel spirit, duel spirit world etc.
GX also introduced the all new Ojama/Armed Dragon LV?/ Alphabet Rangers deck Which is actually pretty consistent. Going in the show with a 18-12 W/L ratio .... I never said it was good... just consistent...
8:20 Also, the Ceremonial Duel. Yugi's been spending the entire Memories of the Pharaoh arc trying to come up with a deck of his own, and after finally finding himself, both him and Atem choose not to look at each other's card collection while they modify their decks specifically to counter each other. Atem comes up with a strategy that allows him to verey quickly summon the gods, and Yugi comes up with LV monsters that grow stronger with time and a time skip gimmick that allows him to quickly make them as strong as the God's raw powers. This particular duel (and a few others in the show, to its credit) relies most on the strategy of each players and how they counter each other. it's still botched because they have no real research gimmick to actually form a singular winning condition to reach for, but it's still a pretty cool evolution compared to "Heart of the Cards".
@@Thisdude850 Not... quite. It's very explicit within the manga that both Yugi and Atem have the power to "will" the card they most need to be drawn; this is why Atem gets a skill in Duel Links which literally puts any one card into your hand under certain conditions.
@@tvguy61 Yugi is all but explicitly stated to be a descendant of Atem. He's also the fulfillment of prophecy and a legendary duelist in his own right - the Ceremonial Duel was the culmination of Yugi becoming a legend in his own right rather than simply relying on Atem.
Maybe, but this duel was to see if Yugi could stand on his own without Atem. If they looked to see what cards the other “could” have it kinda hurts the message they were going for
Lemon ya their alot their also anime that use cards but not as in tcg.like two anime i enjoyed watching were majin bone and hero bank. Both used cards to tranfrom but not to collect it all. For other tcg their battle spirt,future card buddy fight,duel master was fun its like remake kaijudo was more summon the monsters to fight you than the old make a deck&battle. Oh! Their also different tcg mangas one i enjoy call Chaosic Rune where people have decks they used as life and monsters that kill. Its an kill or be kill manga with monsters summon by cards. Good times good times.
A trap card is no match against my secret weapon! That's right... A DRAW FOUR CARD!!! With an uno card in my left hand, a yugioh card in my right hand, and a potato chip in my mouth, I am unstoppable!!!! MWAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
I remember when I was an insane person for a period of a couple months and rewatched the entirety of Yu-gi-oh and GX one thing that stuck out was the fact that in comparison to Yugi, Jaden had a plan in each duel. It usually followed the same formula: use Skyscraper, summon flame wingman or some other elemental hero fusion, and win. However, this was far more enjoyable than Yugi relying on pure protagonist powers to win each duel. It at least felt like there was some kind of strategy involved which I like after getting into competitive Yu-Gi-Oh at least the bare minimum.
you are correct, gx even shows them opening packs and changing their decks and the inner workings of how their decks function, like chazz running 3 maksed dragons so hes left with a armed dragon lvl 3 at the end of the turn which he can turn into lvl 5. Kinda sad to see he completly ignored gx in this video seeing as how most of his points are met in that series, even 5ds puts a lot of focus on deck building and strategy during the mechlord ark.
MrSGZone I mean that's Bastion's whole point in Yu-gi-oh GX. He used mathmatics, probability, and calculus in general to build his deck to counter the other players ones. But, besides that, I don't think the show focus as much as it should in this particular detail. (Sorry for any english mistakes. It's not my first language)
No, it certainly didn't go into extreme detail but in comparison to the original series. In GX each character at least had an archetype as opposed to the original in which it was a bunch of random cards with one card that allowed them to win and we would never see again. It was nice because I had just barely gotten back into the card game and reconstructed my only "competitive" deck from when I was a kid and I surprisingly enjoyed GX more because it had at least a little bit more strategy.
It’s why I liked Gx more growing up, everyone’s deck had a theme and cards that worked in conjunction with the other. Making their monsters more like the characters signature. E Hero’s were Jadens cards. Cyber dragons were Zane’s. Gears were Crowlers. Etc If Yugi had a strictly Magician based deck like Arcana instead of a mix mash of Lions, swordsman, magnets, knights, and then Dark magician and Girl his deck would be more iconic.
@@Da_Swifta There has to be at least one aspiring doujin artist who is also a serious TCG nerd. Just need a generation of TCG obsessed Japanese people to make it blow up in popularity. Then find an animation studio that respects creative vision of the author to realize it will sell well and we are golden.
**Guiltily looks past laptop to see bookshelf with the entire original Yu-Gi-Oh on it, plus my metal case where I keep my three different main decks plus that cool collectible that has all of Yugi's decks from the series and all my other silly merch** This video is gonna hurt my soul, isn't it? ;_;
This video didn't hurt! I've actually thought about this before, how much I'd love to see YGO characters actually building their decks. I was into the card game before I got into the manga, and the two have always been really separate in my mind, since the manga a) focuses on a lot of things that isn't duel monsters and b) the rules are completely different anyway. But I was still disappointed when the DDD mini-arc ended and we find out Yugi made a new deck but we didn't get to see him make it. :( Like I said before, I play Yu-Gi-Oh (still, I've been playing this game for nearly 15 years) and I've run a lot of different decks during that time. Right now my main deck is Madolche, despite that deck falling out of favour a bit. I can't really afford to replace it with something newer, and it's still got a good anti-meta since you return cards to the deck instead of sending them to the graveyard. I own seven decks, but only two are playable. The others are either a) recreated decks for characters or b) old decks from years gone by that are now full of banned cards or just plain outdated. Also, YES about the whole "the only life point that matters is the last one" bit. Some f my favourite cards cost me LPs but cost my opponent more. XD
True that only your last life point matters, but the hypothetical pay all but 1 life point to draw 3 cards is in actuality a really bad card, because life points are a type of resource in the game. A lot of decks have cards where you are required to pay life points as costs or to activate effects and a card that forces you to pay all but 1 for only a +2 means that after playing that card, unless you have a way to consistently restore your life points, you cannot play any cards that require life point payment for their effects like Soul Charge.
Yeah, that's too hefty a cost, it leaves you vulnerable. But the fact is Chicken Game was forbidden because 1000 Lifepoints was simply too low a cost to be able to draw more cards every turn. I doubt there will ever be a good, balnced "draw more cards" card. And here's the thing, his hypothetical "sacrifice all Lifepoints but 1 to draw two cards" card is something I would ABSOLUTELY put 3 of into an Exodia deck. In Exodia decks you're already betting everything on getting Exodia as fast as humanely possible. Plus, since you pay "all but one", if you're already at 1, it (in theory I'm assuming) wouldn't cost anything anymore. And that's not including all sorts of other weird strategies people could probably come up with. My bet is that it would be limited to 1 in months.
kcsupersonic1 it would be hilarious if someone open up with that on turn one, followed by their opponent casting like Sparks or any other cheap burn card and just winning the game
Lol. I could totally see a comedy card anime where a guy spends every moment looking for that one card to complete his deck, travelling across the world, traversing deserts and tundras -finally getting the card, only to sit at the next tournament and learn it got banned during the time he was searching for it. P.S. this actually happened to me - fucking vanity's emptiness....
Almost same thing happened to my friend, he tried to find 4 of the same card named Omega Glendios in Cardfight. Problem? The card got banned due to having almost the same effect as Exodia.
MDKcde I love Mtg, especially the story (Shadow over Innistrad and Eldritch Moon being my favourite) but I've been sitting it out for a while. A friend of mine though had the exact same thing happen to him with Emrakul as well. Since we live in the Caribbean shipping takes at least two weeks...
Yu-Gi-Oh villains do build decks all around one strategy to reach an optimal board state. One of them in fact had a deck about stalling the opponent and drawing Exodia. It's just that the King of Topdecking always wins.
Hell, Kaiba’s decks always involve summoning arbitrarily big dragons, which in itself is his win condition, and he generally does it pretty well. Unfortunately Yami specifically has the ability to draw any card he wants, when he wants it. Cheater.
Ah yes, now I remember there was a moment where he said the last Exodia piece was the next card on his deck. Arkana's trick was that he could shuffle his deck however he wanted to. But yeah, funny how villains tend to be the ones with well-constructed combo decks, but everyone is a cheating scumbag, even Yugi.
If you’re going to talk about yugioh characters preparing for duels, you can’t Leave out bastion, the one Guy Who actually had different decks and created a new one just to counter jaden. He still lost to the topdeckking tho
No, what Arcana did was trim his Dark Magician cards so that no matter how the deck was cut, he would get it in his opening hand. Steve marked his cards with a special ink that could be seen with special contact lenses. Its not unlike Mai and her perfume trick, though he didn't do the whole mindgames thing.
As a Yu-Gi-Oh fan, I think it's important to note that the story of Yugi, Jonouchi, Anzu etc. Wasn't actually originally written to sell trading cards. The original story is about Yugi being possessed by a Pharaoh who tricks, traps and sometimes kills his high school bullies without his knowledge. The manga only goes for about 30 chapters, but it's actually a kind of awesome, bizzare story. The idea is that the Pharaoh always tells people he wants to play a game, then rigs it. Eventually the kids try a game called Dual Monsters for a couple chapters, but it's not the focus of the story. They play it, duel Kaiba and then move on so Yugi can play with Tamagotchis, a card-guessing game with a terrorist and using a Yo-Yo to beat up street thugs in a yo-yo based gang. Later on Konami got involved and the story became about card games, but they were never the foundation of the show. That's why there's so many dark elements being censored out, and why they focus so heavily on the friendships of these characters instead of the cards in their decks. It's less an admission that the card game can't carry the show than it is that the show is a story being forced to incorporate itself with the card game. Had the story been written from the ground up about the TCG, I suspect they would have had a more balanced cast and had the Pharao lose the odd game, showcased actual strategies that can be implemented in the game, etc.
The manga was actually about to be canceled. If Takahashi didn’t put the emphasis on card games and Kaiba, we might not have even known about the series.
I loved season 0 so much it was great seeing what game Yugi would play next and how he'd win including the punishment I'm sad it ended and they decided to focus on the card games
Sadly, YGO meta is so fast and homogenous that there are limits to how faithfully anime could recreate it. Yugi: You’re no match for my SPYRALs, Kaiba! Kaiba: Yugi, you fool, I’m also running SPYRALs! EVERYONE is, they’re tier 0! Yugi: oh... Kaiba: Also, you didn’t topdeck the hand traps you needed to prevent my unbreakable turn one board, so the game is officially over. I’ll negate everything you try to do on turn 2, forcing you to resign in disgust! Yugi:nooooooooo!!
"I am playing pendulum magicians and have set up a board of 4 separate ways to destroy your cards during your turn" "set 2 scales, wavering eyes, game 2?"
There was a big post on /r/magictcg about the idea of doing a Magic anime. It was actually really cool. Ironically, the busted-ass combo control deck they suggested the anime protagonist pilot has since been band. Rip splinter twin.
in yugioh, during battle city, they were dueling for cards and joey used cards he won and a card was slipped into his deck by weevle underwood and it helped weevle's game
With Yu-Gi-Oh you gotta remember the manga and anime came out before the card game which was the tie in to the anime not vice versa, so it was made to just be dramatic and not realistic at first.
I was actually just thinking about this last night. Even having the characters lose once and a while and have to rethink their decks would be a step in the right direction.
Exactly so, yes. Making it best of three would build in a buffer that would allow the protagonists to lose a game and still advance. It would also allow the show to explore more of the opponent's strategy, by having their decks play out against each other multiple times. For example, the first match might see the protagonist win because the opponent couldn't get their strategy up and running. But a little tension would be built up, as the protagonist is watching their opponent's cards and trying to guess what that strategy could be. Match 2, the opponent gets the cards needed to thrash the protagonist. The third becomes the tense one, as the protagonist must rethink their deck composition, and rush to pull off their winning formula before the opponent does theirs. There's even the mind game element, as the two players wonder if they should slot in cards that counter their opponent, or to counter the counters, etc. It would be really tense and dramatic.
Harsh haze I actually don’t play MtG, or watched past the first episode of Kakegurui. I’m still in the middle of that virginity vortex, though. Different trifecta.
If you all want a good card game show look up chaotic it's basically yu gi Ho ,world of Warcraft ,Pokemon and avatar (the blue people avatar) combined but because it focused so much on good story rather than good marketing it was sadly cancelled I still recommend you watch it. It does have a end all be it a very filler feeling raping it up end.
There's this recent manga from 2019 "Destroy All Humanity, It Can't Be Regenerated", about 2 middle school students playing MTG in 1998 though while they do go to cards events and stuff it's more of a slice of life/romance with MTG than a full blown tcg focus.
@@radix4400 Oh I know it does, I meant it isn't like a YuGiOh or vanguard where the card game is seemingly or outright the center of the world. Sorry I guess I didn't worded well.
Sanbyaku'en Madao So I ended up binging the whole thing in like a day lol. It was great! This is exactly what card game anime should be like, focused more on the relationships between the characters and the strategy rather than some world-ending aliens or whatever. The theme of happy days being finite is really bittersweet and resonates with me quite a bit. Waiting a month between chapters is gonna be a _huge_ pain, but oh well.
Haha i know what you mean i got two of the starter decks online since no store sell them where i live. So only person to play is me or random people at a game night at my local library.
zerokura I was at the release event at Gencon last year. Bought all 3 starter decks and a booster box... There's a Facebook group in my city for it but it's pretty much dead.
Jake Deerberg haha if i redownload discord on my laptop we could play together haha. Oh ya you know a new deck and booster came out. But now who to play were forever alone.
They have, it's commonly referred to as Season Zero. It even has a movie with a proto-Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon. It hasn't been dubbed though, so if subs aren't your deal then you're out of luck.
What do we need to make YugiOh! more appealing - Introduce a New Summoning mechanic - Show players propper dueling technics - CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES!!!
You're just mad because with no monster on the field, I can summon Dark Magician to use Mystical Space Typhoon from my hand to negate the trap card you activated because screw the rules I play children card game on motorcycle.
So, I once came up with a show premise like this. Basically, it was a world that treated its main card game like a mix of professional wrestling and NASCAR. Wrestling, not in the sense that matches are scripted, but rather in the sense that professional players have public personas and rivalries that are played up by promoters to get audiences, grudge matches on pay-per-view being just as important as tournaments. There are actual "face" and "heel" players whose real-life personalities are often quite different. Our protagonist, for example, is actually good friends with his supposed arch-rival, and greatly dislikes one of his closest "ally" players. It's like NASCAR in the sense that everyone covers themselves in corporate advertisements to make money. Characters include our protagonist (who has been "typecast" into only using one specific set of cards, but gets along because they have a lot of flexibility, a la Jaden's Elemental Heroes), his public rival/private best friend (who's theme is always tossing his deck, using the newest booster pack and pioneering new metagame strategies with it, helped by the fact that the booster game companies give him the cards early so he'll use them when the pack comes out and boost sales), and a fangirl who in the first episode or so wins a "spend the day with the protagonist" contest and is shocked to find that he and the rival aren't much like their public personas, who ends up hanging around the protagonist afterwards. Potential plotlines (depending on how weird or serious the show is) include: a criminal group trying to fix card games for money (as there is a sports betting industry built on this stuff); just general "protagonist dealing with fame problems and the game he loves being corporatized and no longer fun" stuff; a Yu-Gi-Oh style "I lured these people here so I can steal their magical artifacts" plot, except the villain just steals the artifacts while the people are asleep; a vile demon that wants to destroy the world but also has a crippling gambling addiction, allowing the protagonists to get him to agree to back off if they beat him in a card game; the protagonist is challenged by the likes of Maximilian Pegasus, a card developer with an absurdly broken deck of custom cards and the magical ability to read minds, in a high-stakes game that the villain agrees is not "tournament restricted" (meaning non-tournament-legal cards like his OP custom cards are allowed), thus resulting in the protagonist playing a deck composed of 30 copies of the tournament-banned, deliberately overpowered joke card "Deus Ex Machina." If anyone has any other suggestions or ideas, feel free to reply to this comment and say them!
My favorite pat of Yu-Gi-Oh GX is when they face the guy whose whole schtick is believing in the heart of the cards, and at the last moment when he puts faith in the heart of the cards to give him the one card in his deck that will let him win, he doesn't draw it. Basically just GX holding a giant middle finger up to the original series (and itself, honestly).
I think I remember the episode you're talking about... and wasn't it more that he starting thinking about the exact draw he needed too much and that stopped him from drawing it... I think that's what the idea of it was.
Jorg the Mercenary Spearman Though the heart of the cards thing was eventually revealed to just be the Puzzle's and Also the Pharoahs true power, "Destiny Draw". The ability to bend fate to your will for your own benefit. Or in the case of a card game, it let's him stack his deck mid match without anyone knowing. Duel Links even made this a skill he can use. He technically cheated in almost every duel he had. Granted he did this subconsciously without really knowing since the Puzzle sometimes does things on it own, but still.
GX is on another level compared to the original. There even the main character knows that thematic decks are better. In the original Yugi's deck was a mess until he rebuilds it to focus on his favourite card. But even after that he just put cards in what would made it unplayeble with equal chances.
In regards to having a "win state" or plan for your deck (at least in YGO), it seems to only be the villains/opponents that ever have that. Yugi or the other protags will pull a win out of nowhere, but the opponents often have set strategies in place to get the win. Like, the first Rare Hunter using cards that stall Yugi to find Exodia, Team Unicorn utilising mill effects to wear down Yusei's deck, or Bakura using Destiny Board. The opponents often have strategies in place like a real player would, and it's a little unfortunate that Yugi and pals never win using pre-established cards to turn the tables. They usually pull out a new card with a special effect that counters that exact strategy, basically to advertise new cards. It's definitely a missed opportunity, and something I didn't think about until it was brought up. Also, something you didn't touch on is when characters get new cards mid-game. It really ruins some of the tension and main conceit of it being a game with set rules. It's not cool that Yuma wouldn't have won if the Zexal Weapons didn't just show up in his deck, or that Yuuya just invents an entire summon type while playing (though that was more a story crutch to show off the new gimmick). It defeats that idea of building a deck to counter what your opponent may throw at you, cause you never know when these characters will just pull new cards from nowhere. Great video, really got me thinking about YGO more, which I love.
This is the problem right here, opponent decks are likely to be filled with more strategy and forethought because the strategy can be explained and talked about during the match, once that player is then out of the game it doesn't matter that we know how their deck plays because we won't have to bother fighting them again. However in order for a main protagonist to have stakes we can't be privy to his strategy, cause if the game is actually played out properly we know his strategy and we know that he's on a path to win the entire time. In order to have tension we have to have the protagonist themselves feel like they can't win until the last moment, so even they can't have a strategy built into the deck that can later be explained. The problem is in order for the game to be exciting we have to be ignorant of the rules so a rule can be told to us at the right moment to either raise or release tension, life points have to be an indication of "who's winning" even though cards on the field and in the hand are a better indicator of who's winning. The problem is to write a good story, the game mechanics have to be bad. Most of these animes are based off (or blatantly selling) real card games, and you can tell which animes are "fun" when the rules of the anime's version of the game are wildly different from the real game. It's the same problem as a gambling anime, in order to have stakes and make it exciting we have to remove the game from being real, except in gambling they're traditionally doing more "simple" games with simple rules, and in order to make it exciting we have to either have a gambling addict win far more than they have any right to, or keep losing bets and still making new ones.
Sherrif Not even remotely close, actually. The problem is not that a gambling anime can’t work without being ignorant of the rules, the problem is that writers for this show don’t care enough to make a way to do so. Obviously, a show like Kaiji exists, which despite being more of a gambling anime, still achieves the goal of the games being layed out, all of the rules being shown, and still being able to hurt the main character and show that he can lose. Yu-Gi-Oh, as many have said in this comment section, doesn't care to do this because the entire point for the anime's existence is to sell individual cards by pulling them out of their asses to win at the last second. It's only by sheer laziness that the show can't make duels exciting for even a moment
@@charliecoke7396 Reminds me of the time he gave that Heart of the Underdog card to a kid with a really unbalanced 90%-normal-monster deck. Ended up drawing 7 monsters in a row, and using 6 of them to power up Spirit Ryu to win the duel.
Not just season one, pretty much every season more or less had focus on slice of life type storylines and realistic themes that are much more relatable to you than what you’d find in a typical card game anime The current reboot as well
Yeah, with the reboot they had plenty of episodes like that, there were the first 14 before the asteroids showed up, a little later with aichi at his new high school and then during the koshien when it was mostly tournament based
Season 2 even did reasonably well. At least until it became a battle for another world. Even late season 1 kinda fell into that. But for the most part it had building excitement and then loss and learning.
9:15 About a villain intentionally planting a card in someone's deck to hard-counter it Weevil Underwood did the same thing to Joey with his bug parasite
Geoff, while your characterization of Yugioh is correct for the most part, you missed plenty of counterexamples, even in the original show. For one thing, Ishizu gives Kaiba Obelisk with the intention of beating him later, and with an exact plan for how she will win that centers around him using Obelisk. He avoids losing through some magic bs, but we shouldn't ignore Ishizu's strategy. Apart from that example, plenty of villains have a specific win strategy/win condition that they try to meet when they duel. Strings plays an infinite draw/Slifer/Revival Jam beatdown deck. Jean Claude Magnum uses his ninjas' swarm effects to swarm the field and then attack. Bakura's battle city deck revolves around stalling with Dark Sanctuary until he can win with Destiny Board. Valon gets out Psychic Armor Head, Active Guard, and Big Bang Blow, then uses Big Bang Blow's effect. Zigfried uses Ride of the Valkyries to clear the field, his Goddess spell cards to banish his opponent's cards, then uses Rainbow Bridge Bifrost to increase his monster's ATK and attack for game. Weevil repeatedly messes with his opponent's decks to try to create more favorable matchups. In Duelist Kingdom, he throws away Yugi's Exodia cards because he doesn't have a counter. In Battle City, he plants Parasite Paracide in Joey's deck to turn Joey's monsters into insects that he can counter. The last duel of the show even revolves around the concept of deck building. Yugi states that he is building a deck with the goal of countering Yami Yugi's deck, and he wins the duel by successfully executing his plans to counter the God Cards and Monster Reborn. I'm not saying that card games in the Yugioh anime usually play out like real card games - they don't. Furthermore, the anime often works on a perverse logic where the villains have a single strategy and win condition, which a hero beats by pulling the monster of the day out of his ass. Nonetheless, it's a long and varied show where duels aren't always about plot convenience and the heart of the cards, and you're not giving it enough credit.
YGO 5Ds is probably a shining example of this. Yusei and the other 5Ds members all had decks with a strategy that synergized with their dragon. And excusing the anime-exclusive traps/spells/monsters that specifically pulls some bullshit to get Yusei/the rest out of trouble in their game, the decks they used does hit on the point of countering and bringing out their win con, even though the stakes of the game went up to crazy levels of insanity at some point
Joey actually doesn't get enough credit either. His deck isn't great (though it's better than Yugi's) but he makes the most of the strategies he does have and while he does have luck-based cards, he always manages his risks except in the most desperate of circumstances. He is probably the most skilled duelist in the show, I mean he beat MARIK fair and square without a single Egyptian god card.
@@warp_skip "His deck isn't great (though it's better than Yugi's)" His deck is worse than Yugi´s. Joey still runs random trash monsters from Duelist Kingdom during Battle City, his cards lack any synergy and he uses luck cards all the time.
@@gameking8809 Yugi's deck relies on drawing the perfect combo every time, otherwise it's a complete brick. It's complete bullshit that he is even able to make a play in most duels. Joey's cards are weaker but his deck is more consistent. Yugi is way more of a gambler than Joey in actuality
If you really think about it, Magic the Gathering could be made into two shows, one for the card game aspect, and another for the expansive lore within the game itself.
Honestly, I've been thinking soooooo much about this, and I've even gotten a good idea of a plot down that can merge the two together, if WOTC wants to call me
I'd love to see a Yu-Gi-Oh-style representation of the "Oops All Spells" deck. Turn one, our protagonist summons a number of ghostly elves and spirit-gorillas to perform a dark ritual and summon a vampire spy before vanishing. The vampire turns around and burns the protagonist's own deck to the ground, releasing three or four jellyfish. One of the jellyfish goes over and starts rifling through the opponent's hand to stop him from interfering, while the other two perform a sacrificial rite to resurrect an angel, who in turn resurrects two wizards. The wizards make an important discovery, get their doctorate, and our protagonist wins! And Seto Kaiba is sitting there trying to figure out what the hell just happened.
It is similar to autotarget in FPS. IMO CF Vanguard is 1/5 cardgame (I played it 3 years until got bored), because how huge role luck plays and small margin of error (heal, crit like 1st Kai vs Aichi OR double critical like s1 Kamui vs Amy).
@@copiumkiller True the trigger stacking can screw you over, but that is the fun part about it. At least it is better than yugioh where u set up 5000 negates on field and hand and you may as well scoop. Vangaurd at least allows for a comeback mechanic, or fun mind games psyching your opponents up when doing trigger checks to force them to remove more cards than necessary or hit them hard in the face with double triggers (overtriggers can go to hell though).
@@bryanyap3888 I have my own card game grading system (playing tenths of them 10+ years). 1 out of 5 has too much luck factor (such as Pokemon or Cardfight Vanguard). 2 - does not have basic aspect for competent game (3 out of 5). For example, Yugioh does not have energy system, which allows half hour turns, card "juggling". 3 - is competent game with all basics(Magic the Gathering) 4 - has comeback mechanics (such as Duel masters, battle spirits) 5 - uses space, placing units is a skill (Plants vs zombies:Heroes, Athenion) "Athenion" (my fav TCG I have played) was shut down due to low popularity. The game has many great ideas such as units can only attack in certain directions. There is 8 directions (sides and diagonals) and if enemy attacks to your blind zone, then you cannot counterattack to that enemy. Also unique mechanics, which really changes how you approach the game.
@@bryanyap3888 Yu-gi-oh is my dirty pleasure, because Lightsworn etc. feels nostalgic. But totally agree that 15 - 30 min turns are BORING. Also, for example, if you face Exodia deck, it goes 1st and you do not have a specific hand traps in hand, it is SO boring. And I say it being in platinum league in duel links and master duel. Also totally agree that interactivity aspect of Vanguard is much better than Yu-gi-oh. Still being better than bottom tier in some aspects does not make the game great. Play "Plants vs zombies:Heroes" and you should understand what I mean 5/5 card game.
I'd like to see a game anime that's just about kids playing a game for fun, and when a villain shows up saying he'll use the game to channel demon magic and take over the world, it turns out he can't and is just crazy. At worst the kids older friend calls the cops on him, and at best he's just an annoyance the kids tolerate or eventually make friends with. Kinda like ice king from adventure time ':)
Kris Lundell That actually sounds pretty hilarious when you consider the implications of the guy being crazy. I'd totally watch something like that :).
Would be hilarious if the "Villain" was portrayed as all menacing and mysterious, but just turned out to be some weird chunibyo kid who they then make friends with to round out the arc.
Vanguard is a pretty TRASH show and game. I play it. There’s no competitive aspect to it. Bushiroad literally does not give a fuck about their player base. :/ also. Set 14 will kill this game.
Amanda DeMizio now you listen here you top decking sack hacker crusty end of ibuki’s hair bushiroad cares VERY MUCH about their SHADOW PALADIN player base thank you
I could never really get into CCGs due to both the raw cost of deck building and the fact I was one of those people who played with cards/creatures I personally liked while everyone else was Giant Dad'ing it up.
This, pretty much. I really enjoy collecting, but I've always had this obsession with using the things I love over the things that would be..well, actually useful. That's why I always loved the message of games like Pokemon that go out of their way to tell you that what matters are things like friendship and staying true to what you like and not change it just because it has bigger numbers. Not saying I didn't have strategies, but when all you have is a handful of fluffy balls of baby Pokemon, that's just not gonna win against someone's team of legendaries simply because your numbers aren't big enough to even put your strategy to use. Cardgames are luckily less focused on raw numbers, like MB said, but it still comes down to "Aww this little 200 attack and defense point critter is the most adorable thing ever ♡" and if it was ONLY these types at least one could build a strat around that, but nope, the next I fall in love with is the total opposite. You don't get a well-matching deck that way, obviously. I think these anime fit very well with people who are mostly in it for the collecting aspect and less the actual games, since the animes are all about treasuring the cards that are special to you - which, tbh, is a valid strat to get people to buy cards as well..?^^"
Hypno-Thorax Might I suggest that you may find the Peasant format of MTG a solid fit if you could find people to play with. After I spent about 5% of my income in one year on MTG around two decades back and realized I had no hope of keeping up with the hardcore tournament playing Spikes around me, I went hard as a peasant player for a few years before giving up the game more or less all together (no real time to play anymore). The nicest thing about it is that you can (or could at any rate) build a proper deck that can be moderately competitive outside the format for about the cost of a starter deck (depending on the current meta you're building against).
Honestly, its the last arc in the manga of Shokugeki that goes completely off the rails for me. All of a sudden the cooks get magical skills with use conditions... that was just a brutal mood killer.
You missed one very vital point that explains WHY Cardgame animes don't do most of the stuff that you described (and what Cardfight vanguard in the beginning did.) TCGs all exist on a legal grey area. Technically, they are, more or less, a gambling product. There is no way around it. The only reason why shows like Yu-Gi-Oh, Battle-spirits, Vanguard and many more are in fact even allowed to have a "20 minute commercial" aka a TV-Show is because they stay in that legal grey area by not DIRECTLY advertising their product to said kids. This is the reason why none of these characters are ever seen buying booster-packs etc. anymore, because that would leave the legal area those toys are allowed to exist in. Cardfight Vanguard is a perfect example of this. The show was not allowed to be aired in Germany and France because it directly advertised the cardgame. For example, there was a conversation between two people about the very first expansion during the first regional tournament-arc which actually name-droped the real set. This is technically not allowed to happen and this is also the explanation of why characters in those shows gain their key-cards via "magic", because it's not a real way to get those cards, thus staying in the legal realm by not directly advertising these products. Vanguard stopped doing this because, as far as I found out, the advertisement laws in Japan seemed to have been changed around that time which forced them to do so. P.S.: The reason side-boards don't exist in those shows have to do with time-constraints. TCG's with sideboard tend to have 1 hour+ matches in certain cases which you simply cannot incorporate into a 20 minute TV-episode-format.
EnerKaizer don't know much about laws or anything like that, but what about the fact that Yugi's grandpa owning a cardshop? Is the work around being the in-world game being called Duel Monsters and the real world game being Yu-Gi-Oh?
Yes, it's always fake booster packs in Yu-Gi-Oh!. This is also the reason why in america the cards don't look like real cards, because of some advertising to kids law, but in the jp dub they actually slapped the original card texture on a 3D model.
thankyou for mentioning all this. this is something the video creator should've researched. it is literally illegal to have it blatantly advertise the real life product in the way he is wishing.
As long as they (The creators of those shows) don't show an actual cardgame shop-chain its fine. Card-shops do exist in real live and they aren't considered illegal in any way. It would only become a problem the moment they are shown to sell TCG products because of advertisement laws, which is why you never saw Yugis Grandpa in YGO or Shinn in Cardfight Vanguard ever selling packs beyond maybe the first season (Because it was highly likely the makers of this animes didn't know about these laws at that time propably.)
I almost agree with you, but a real card game anime withou a psychological aproach (like the ones you see in Akagi ir Hikaru no Go) would still miss something. If a dream card game anime = Sports anime. Its still need to be a real or serius Sports anime. Not something like Captain Tsubasa (1st version) and they Tiger kicks and so on.
Real life card game = Actual Sports game. No wonder why shounen anime does not work for TCG shows. The writers seem to forget that games = sports = TCG = NOT PUTTING YOUR HEART IN YOUR CARDS.
Well, I am very bad at building decks, so I put my heart in my cards and it kind of work so... To be serious, this is more or less what makes TCG attractive for me, the "totem" part of the thing. I don't care of having astonishing effective cards, I want to have a consistent deck regarding art style and in-game storyline...
When I used to play YuGiOh TCG, I used to play decks that I thought had a fun concept rather than how competitive the deck was. I played Lunalights because I liked the synergy of the cards, Deskbots because I liked the thought of these tiny little mechs taking down monolithic beasts and deities was funny. And SPYRALS because I like James Bond and Metal Gear
I mean, literally all of those were meta decks though... xD Not judging, playing meta is fine, it's just weird that you say you played stuff for reasons other than them being meta, but then arguably all the ones you mention were top tier meta cheese.
I'm a Twenty-Something yet I stopped playing ever since I started High School and also stopped playing Pokemon Cards. The shows are still fun & decent to watch at least the classic seasons. Except for the Pokemon anime series I think it's more stupid than Yu-Gi-Oh (Classic to 5Ds) in my opinion.
Its been a few years and its not really an anime but doesn't the show Chaotic do what Geoff was talking about? The players are always changing their decks to counter different players, going on quests to get that one rare card they need to complete their strategy. Yeah it does do the "we need to save the Alien Planet with a children's card game!" thing but I'm pretty sure it actually makes sense why they need to do it that way. The game is a way for the characters to scout out opponents for the creatures they ally with. Either way I miss that game.
Cameron Grow agree with everything minus the part about saving the planet. in actuality, the planet saves itself by acting out the lore of the cards, with the kids either, getting caught in it, or helping, without the cards, mind you
Draft tournaments are hilarious, sometimes a card dismissed otherwise as 'bad' can become the most powerful strategy in a tournament simply because everyone chose a strategy vulnerable to it while thinking about a meta that doesn't apply. For example, one tournament I was in the winner hoarded an artifact bomb and stalled. And that outcompeted the control, discard, draw, rush, and ramp decks. I was never so amused to lose with my opponent at 1hp. And in draft an otherwise 'useless' monster with no special abilities can be used to just beat down an opponent who planned for everything else. The point is Cubes and Drafts are fun, you could do a lot showing players trying to make the best deck with whatever they have and this is when trading is the most common (because money exchange in the tournament is illegal, but an agreed upon trade could be allowed, depending on the rules).
I was waiting to see if you would mention Vanguard! This one also felt different to me, it was more real and we could see the game working through the rules we heard the characters explaining each other OFF GAME. Damn, I even remember that sometimes a card was placed and I could understand the danger it represented for the adversary's strategy AT THE VERY MOMENT, without the need to wait for a player's explanation. It was an anime I really enjoyed to watch for the game itself and loved that the rules and all the logic was so clear. But had to drop the anime when it began to change, unfortunately. Always loved card games (still do) and I'm pretty sure someday I'll live in a city that has places to buy cards and people to play with, until then, gotta keep trying Duel Links, Magic online, and Faeria too. I only actually played Yu-Gi-OH a few times in my childhood before the school principal start to take the kids' cards, saying it was "evil! a game of the devil". Yep.
Nikhil Sharma the anime actually explains everything you need to know; both the original series and the reboot. So you can jump right in, no homework required
What's more grounded than fighting in 4 dimensions simultaneously as a being divided into 4 beings fuses with 4 cards to become a god and the only way to defeat him is to play 4 spell cards to destroy him while a child who is infused with the being of 4 different souls looks for those 4 cards while people play card games on motorcycles, hop onto virtual platforms, and *implement* mass into holograms while using a children's card game to determine the fate of the world?
I felt that Arc-V started cringy, got good during the first arc, stayed good with some hiccups in the Synchro Dimension, then fell apart by the last third (with 5D's bias being the least of its problems).
Mother's Basement, if you read the manga Wizard's Soul, it does all this stuff you mention to a tee. There's a real cheesy romance subplot, but the element of sideboarding and mind games is on full display.
Honestly I've been trying to lay out the general outline for a CCG focused show for a while and a lot of what I've been grappling with was better articulated here. 1. The core lesson is that victory is achieved through management of risk. Good luck wins sometimes, good preparation and strategy wins consistently. 2. 'Powerful card' is not defined by raw numbers, but by the combination of effects. Blue eyes white dragon is a weak card compared to Monster Reborn or Pot of Greed. 3. Metagame comes in two flavors: Tourney meta-game about the state of the game at the time and personal meta-game about the people you play against/with. Someone with a milk-toast deck filled with counter play options and good at the latter can be a compelling character and brutal challenge without being tournament competitive. 4. Your drama comes from characters, not the situation in the world. (95% of the time) We care about the winner because of how it effects the character, not the setting. 5. You only get to have a 'world ending' threat once in your series. You need to use that well. Thus the outline looks akin to this: Protagonist is pulled into the CCG through primary friend, thus establishing they're as new to this as the intended audience and letting them be exposited to. An ideal protagonist is someone with limited social skills but experience with strategy and knowledge of statistics/probability. The initial 'enemy' is a credit card warrior, who relies on superior funding to secure valuable (and powerful) cards, along with net-decking to fill in for proper deck-building. The first major drama is the protagonist deciding to prove that this enemy knows nothing about the game by building a deck to crush theirs without using expensive or rare cards. Through a combination of hard counters, the lack of the enemies deck having real cohesion and a workable win condition, protagonist takes a cheap (think $20-60) deck and consistently defeats a deck worth hundreds of dollars. It's also worthless against virtually any other deck, as mentioned by protagonist to their friend, because of how specialized it is. However, the core counter-play cards in it show up a lot later because the hodgepodge nature of the enemy deck required counters to a lot of things. This antagonist will show up later twice, once with an expensive but personalized deck, and finally with a fully refined deck (again reliant on expensive rare cards) that uses a win condition combo no one else has discovered, because it relies on cards that are both ludicrously expensive and considered trash. This completes their character arc when protagonist admits to the brilliance of this new deck type. From here you can fill space as needed until we hit the one 'world ending threat' in the series. A new set of card's releases and is utterly degenerate, filled with power creep and 'strictly better' cards. Protagonist's friend laments this and claims that the game is going to die because the tournament will show that older cards can't compete. Protagonist, now invested in the game, spends a couple of episodes going back to every opponent faced over the show's run, trying to find something new and powerful enough to compete made out of older cards. The Protagonist finds one, but it's not shown directly to the audience yet. Instead we hear protagonists old enemies explaining how their decks would try to counter it, or exclaiming that this combo is disgustingly broken. Said combo needs to be on the level of Channel Fireball, if possible. Something equally degenerate but built from older cards. Protagonist takes a different deck built around countering the meta to everything up to the big tournament. Then breaks out this Channel/Fireball deck only for the national/world level event, where the press will spread news of it. The big lesson being taught is that the game has always had the potential to be broken, and a few more mistakes won't destroy it. Crisis averted, Protagonist retires the deck after its key cards are banned/restricted sufficiently. End of series. (or at least season) Thoughts?
Two thoughts. First is, I wouldn't necessarily disallow supernatural elements, depending on what form such an outline would eventually take. Not the kind where the protag is "playing for his life" every other episode, but something sort of like what Vanguard did, where it shows there could, and eventually shows there is, more to the card game than the paper it's printed on. Second, it seems to me there's a bit of a plot hole in your paragraph about the antagonist showing up later. Namely, I don't think a card could exist even in fiction that is BOTH ludicrously expensive and considered trash. If a card's considered trash, it's not gonna be expensive.
@@Lheticus Kinda like in Mobas how every match-up (however far fetched) could happen but few if any carry real weight to them, merely being sparing matches between beings of equal stature, or in this case armies of equal skill.
@@lupvirga Like Black Lotus, it is an alright card, but it isn't worth $1,200 for a reprint of it, or $12,000 for a signed first edition on card ability alone.
I agree wholeheartedly with this video. A down-to-Earth anime about "real kids and teens" growing up, living through adolescence and school life, changing and developing, relatable personal and interpersonal drama - all seen through a focus on a TCG, with respect to the details of the game (like you said, deck building, testing each other, tourneys, card shops). Now that would be sweet and, IMO, it would be successful even if it is only about a card game de jure but de facto more focused on the characters. Problem is, those shows are MUCH harder to write. Typical anime schlock is much, much easier.
there was actually a mtg slice of life manga around this same premise. its called "destroy all humans, they can't be regenerated" and is almost an mtg period piece taking place right at the turn of the century, when magic was a new game, and while i think its not exactly a good slice of life, the way the characters use actual decks grounded in what was historically used at the time makes me feel like im watching ancient forgotten battle techniques in action, as someone who was never there during that time
also, speaking of a series that includes side deck shenanigans, the manga wizards soul which from what i know, uses a parody of magic: the gathering in its story, has a main character and side characters who try to one up their opponents by analyzing their decks and planning accordingly in best of 3 matches
yeah but weevil did it illegally and cause the show made it look like cheating the strategy was discounted also because weevil still loss it lost all impact to the viewer hence why you were the only one to remember this
Zeromega159 Battle City also confirms that Yugi runs Hybrid Dark Magician whole Arkana runs pure Dark Magician. Man only lost cause he didn't read Dark Magician Girl's effect. Man only looked at its initial ATK. A card he has seen never.
Yu-Gi-Oh also did these kinds of things occasionally though. Some examples that come to mind are bastion spending a whole night building a full counter on Judai's main strategies only for Judai to win by using a new combo bastion didn't know about or basically most of the 5ds duels especially the tournament ones. Team 5ds never actually used plot armor to draw the right card at the right moment. They just built their decks in a way that they can work around their combos regardless of what they draw
Have you ever watched 5Ds? They constantly pulled new cards out of the ass. Yusei introduces a new BS situational trap card in every duel he has and gets magic cards from the future (Shooting Star Dragon).
Yugioh was a Manga first and foremost made by Kazuki Takahashi, and it was originally made to be an entertaining shonen, not a popular juggernaut TCG. In the Manga it was about playing *games*, all sorts of them. The cardgame was an afterthought and eventually the entire series became centered around it. While the Anime is still centered around the TCG, it still has the spirit of the original manga for sure. If anything, yugioh was a unique situation, and other CardGame anime have attempted to copy yugioh's path to success. The main difference being that they made cards first, and decided to make an anime as an afterthought.
I don't even know what are the flaws in YGO series and such to even make a video about why they supossely don't work, even somone who plays would get invested in how the duels work by simply following track of the effects and moves. And is not even an oppinion more like kind of a fact. It's like stating in a video why Math classes don't work in schools or for life just cause you're bad at them
Vector literly does what you said to yuma in yugioh zexal. He pretends to be his friend and gave him a bunch of cards that he knew hed use b4 dueling him and then used a trap that banished them plus 5 extra cards from his deck to beat him b4 they even could have a fair match
Grimjo16 Not to mention flip turner gave him baby yiragon before dueling yuma for thr sole reason of using ultra c to take control of yumas monsters since ultra c can only be activated while your oponent controls baby tiragon.
Legit, just make card game anime more like sports anime and they'd be amazing. The first two seasons of Vanguard and the first part of Link Joker were so engaging exactly because they did that.
After watching this video I would fucking love an anime about a kid watching like YU-GI-YO or some other unrealistic card game anime then going to a local card game shop. Getting his ass handed to him, but someone from the shop decides to help teach him how to actually play the game in a realistic way thus also explaining the core concepts of the game and others like it to the audience. After a few tournaments and booster buying the kid finally gets a good deck like halfway through the season or even at the end IDK, wins a few games but gets knocked out early because he got unlucky in a match and just didn't draw any cards in his deck that would let him win. Again teaching the audience that yeah sometimes the heart of the cards tell you to go fuck yourself.
NO BOOSTERS EXCEPT FOR SEALED AND DRAFT Thats another thing even a lot of players get wrong. Good players do not even fuck with that nonsense. They buy all their shit through 3rd party vendors.
Without third-party vendors, the economics of the actual cardgame that the core player bases partake in would not function. Not advertising third-party vendors is whats not good fucking advertising.
Especially because the big ones have direct deals with the card game companies. Most of the money they actually make comes through those vendors too. Without cardshops players wouldnt even have anywhere to play reliably.
I don't see why we can't have both epic fantasy WITH our realistic depictions of strategy. I must say a show totally ground in reality would only be slightly more appealing than what exists now. I don't feel I want to watch a show about TCG life, because I LIVE that life.
Kori260 I get what you are saying, the rules here and the rules there are not the same, because over there they are living beings, not just cards, and we don't want something that we already have, part of the appeal is that we can't do it.
That's what I was thinking. I want those fantasy worlds and the creatures in the cards actually coming to life, while the realistic and grounded tactics and mechanics of the real game itself are kept intact.
There is one problem in which it takes up a lot of time, if you take those bits out and shorten the length of duels, you can incoprorate strategy as the key part of the show. Its kidna annoying to have the "i have fun so im more likely to win" One of my least favourite sections of yugioh is when yugi fires his mosnters at his opponent to reduce the opponents lp, and this is considered bad. They are just cards, the goal is to win. There will be different banlists so to me it wouldnt hit too close to him
This is why I think No Game No Life had the best line about this: "In a game, there are only two moves: Progressing your plan, or responding to your opponent's"
What I love about Vanguard is how the anime shows that experience matters. Toshiki Kai (the rival/mentor character) is a very experienced player and while he centainly has an innate ability to play the game, the show goes out of its way to show that he wins many of his matches not by having the best deck (a lot of characters have almost all the exact cards he does) or by playing well but by knowing how the game works in general and deducing his opponent's strategy and way of playing within the first few turns. He knows what all the cards do and knows what decks are meta. In a particular episode, he realizes his opponents win condition after the fourth turn (and for those who don't play vanguard, the fourth turn is really early).
I never watched it, but a friend of mine got a Bakugan monster ball toy from Burger King and we used to fling it at each other and yell "Bakugan!" in a sort of surprise dodge ball type game, where you failed if it didn't pop open upon impact. We had to stop when a bong almost got broken :( (this was college)
You know I think that really, the best way to write a good card game anime would be for a real player to play against other real players and every person would have a theme to their deck, something common for having cards combo, and then the people would actually play the game for a while until they get a real thrilling and good match, in which case they would base the episode off of that game, draw for draw, play for play, being fully authentic yet still being able to mix up and have fun with it. Most card games already have a system of theme if your deck with keywords that would make for good character design, don’t get why no show has done this
Strangely enough the change in the vanguard anime as mirrored in the card game. As the anime became more stupid, the card game became confusing and less fun to play.
I think Stride is a pretty solid mechanic but the problem is that it's the entire game now. Limit break is almost never seen and legion is rare but, to be fair, not unheard of. At least in fairly casual play.
Really, Stride just helps Vanguard imo. Before that it was just a pure luck game. You don't get your 2's or 3's, you insta-lose. You pull a sweet crit, you win. Now there's actually a bit more skill involved.
Lol the game has moved to where if you're not striding, you're falling behind to your opponent. Decks have powercreeped out old mechanics, meaning the newer stuff has more consistent and/or better versions of previous ideas.
"In real tournaments players don't just play one match, they do Best of Three. WOTC should have heeded this advice for the first million dollar invitational..
The main reason card game anime is not about the card game is the simple fact that then the anime creators has to understand things like card advantage, tempo, resource management, win conditions and counter plays, understand meta balances, etc In order for the deck creation, and game play to be interesting and exciting. And even if the creators understand that, they have to convey it in a way that lets the average newbie understand the excitement of side boarding or maximising outs or whatever. That is why watching card games has more in common with watching sports. If you don’t know the rules or what is easy and what is hard or what the goal of each participant is, then it isn’t very engaging.
In Yu-Gi-Oh Zexal, when Shark was in a tournament, when he found out his opponent would be playing mirror force, he was banned for "spying on his opponent". So the anime pushes that this form of "cheating" isn't allowed in their economy.
You're trying to make card game anime more like real card games. But why not make real card games more like their animes? I'm still waiting for a massive military corporation to invest in developing 3D hologram technology, and then for someone to discover dark magic in ancient Egypt that turns my casual weekend duels into life or death matches with the fate of the world at stake. Is that really too much to ask?
We're all waiting for it my friend.
Has anyone made a VR yugioh game yet?
Wait...
That isn't already happening?
HAVE I BEEN GOING TO LOCAL TOURNAMENTS WRONG FOR YEARS?
Underrated comment is underrated
Because those card games would suck.
"My grandfather's deck has no pathetic cards" Yeah, but they're all out-of-date and prohibited.
And Kuriboh
Brandon Davidson that’s the fun of it
I recently made a list of all the cards i could remember that were in my deck (i stopped playing TCGs in 05/06).........literally every card i could remember was prohibited.
@@crypticbeast1013 don't mock the original hand trap. That hairy little fucker is the reason why we got cancer like the hand trap wifus for all the neckbeards who spent money on that instead of deodorant.
Maybe that deck was for fun?
"You got some great strikers... Oh, sorry! Got Exodia."
...I just took the SPARKS out of the deck!
"Oh..Lucky me .." [Grandpa LP 100]
"The most important thing when building your deck is to minimize random chance" and then we have joey fucking wheeler.
BROOKLYN RAGE!!!
Literally builds a deck around coin tosses and dice rolls
And have almost none magics or traps
Hey he has like....at least FOUR! :P
Joey actually has one of the strongest decks by the end of battle city, partially because it seems to be built around mitigating the loses of those gambles. He's more hit with npc syndrome than anything else.
9:17 You know, I'm reminded of a moment in Yu-Gi-Oh! ZEXAL, where a villain character, Vector, pretented to be the protag Yuma's new friend, and gave him some powerful cards as a sign of "friendship". Then, when the mask came off during their match against each other, Vector, KNOWING that Yuma would put those cards in his deck for sentimental reasons, is able to play a hard counter that gives him a huge advantage and Yuma a huge disadvantage, entirely BECAUSE he has those cards in his deck.
I came to comment this. Ray then proceeds to psychologically screw with Yuma and I like that Yuma is really tested in this episode. Not to mention there’s two other duels going on. Nice catch sir Tristan
And people hate ZEXAL because "YuMa SucKs, hE LosEs aLl thE TimE"
There's also an episode of Arc-V where one of the characters uses strategy. During a tournament, one of the adversaries is using different summoning methods, so one of the supporting characters techs against them when it comes time to duel (because that's apparently legal). The supporting character looses, because plot, but it was still fascinating to see that.
The best part? THE SUPORTING CHARACTER WAS PART OF THE PRE-SCOOLER GANG!
That was one of my favorite duels until the protagonist plot armored their way through the best-laid villain battle of the series.
Litteral Destiny Draw so that the card wasn't what Vector gave him instead of any kind of strategy to get through it.
@@joshuaduck4139 I agree. I was quite sad and when he drew the barian rank up card, then "by the power of Zexal I literally recreate this card into a different one!"
Be cooler if:
"I will now defeat you with a very cardi gave me is proof of the friendship we had was real, but not anymore."
after winning he throw back the rank up card and walk away. Ray would fume on this for a while, looking at the card sometimes, and eventually lead to his redemption.
the best strategy in a children card game : " screw the rules i have money"
classic
C Vox Ah yes, the infamous "Pay 2 win" strat. Really wish the devs would've patched that, though I suppose there's always next update.
They did, they added the "Complicated rulings" patch, at least they did to Yu-Gi-Oh!
IN AMERICA!!
I lol'd the first time I saw the abridged show, but years later... its all too true lol
C Vox
Thats actually true.
With enough money, card games goes to the rich with all that desposible income to throw on packs or hell specific cards online for like 40 bucks EACH.
To be fair, Yugi giving Joey Time Wizard was the ultimate next level long con
Bruh
Yugi really wanted to see if he could ever summon Dark Sage and it took him 9 duels to get it out and never again after that.
Nah; Yugi didn't plan for that... it's just that Joey forgot that the effect could be used on both sides...
@@TheDeathmail yugi really decking dark sage without time wizard in his deck just to dunk on Joey. That is literally the most troll move you can do.
Fun fact that doesn’t happen in the magna it a anime only for the battle
The interesting part is that in the first three series, Yu-Gi-Oh, GX and 5Ds, the only player who actually dedicated time to build decks and create counter strategies, Bastion Misawa/Misawa Daichi, was treated like a weirdo and became somewhat of a running gag in the later part of the series
@@johnla1037 Phineas and Ferb despite not being anime are proof there doesn't need to be a barrier between fun for kids and fun for adults (except the obvious stuff) I mean imagine a show that is just like Yu-Gi-Oh with levels of grounded strategy (for older and more experienced audience) while fighting to save the world with flashy stuff on screen (for younger kids) at the same time, so the kids (edit: after growing) can look back and still enjoy it, or learn the game while watching without the need to look online for tutorials or deck lists to test.
@@kamencraftbrasil4367 Exactly.
@@kamencraftbrasil4367 Phineas and Ferb seem like a weird example sense they do things that are usually impossible, and the "science project" is never the backbone of the show. It is usually just something super crazy and over the top sense they want each episode to be different, and they throw a few morals or what an aglet is. I don't remember there ever being anything really complicated in it.
@@xCCflierx it wasn't about Phineas and Ferb being grounded as much as I was talking about the show being enjoyable by all ages, the person I was answering to seemed to have a mindset of kids stuff being not being enjoyable for an older audience, and Phineas and Ferb just so happened to be one of the most famous (that I remembered while writing the comment) examples of content for both kids and adults.
They also blatantly show that these stragetists are in the wrong and will lose because they don't trust their cards or something.
Fun fact: in the various animes the villians are the ones who have a deck built on a theme or strategy, and shows make it look as if THAT is "bad"
There’s kind of some mixed messaging in Yu-Gi-Oh. “Villainous” strategies are sometimes legitimate and good, but are painted badly because they “disrespect” the cards. This is a lot to do with Kazuki Takahashi’s ideals in how the collective is more capable when together, but doesn’t translate smoothly at all given that a good deck is also a set of component things working together to do more than they could separately.
Yeah, cause they're metagaming in what is essentially a weirdly unhorny mix of larping and bdsm
I just want a yugioh villain who plays chain burn. That's all he does. He doesn't steal souls or kill people, he just plays chain burn. That's enough to make you hate him.
William Holtzclaw Jaden played against a woman who used nurse burn so that accounts for something right.
There is the piece of crap from yugioh 5ds who used damaging effect cards( I think 80% of his deck is damaging spell cards) in one of the yugioh 5ds ds games he is a boss and he gets to start with ten cards in his hand I hate him so much!
I need context, I fell off of yugioh super hard
Jeremy Garner
"Chain Strike OTK
Chain Strike or Chain Burn is a Deck usually designed to win by the first to third turn. This is accomplished by starting a chainwith and continuing until a well-timed "Chain Strike" can generate enough burn damage to win. These Decks are generally built with very few monsters."
-From the yugioh wiki
Chain burn is just a really degenerate deck that is a pain to play against
Well, there is a few episodes in the western ark of snd season of 5D's where one guy just ftks ppl with burn. The only thing that does stop him is Yusei's effect veiler.
I'll draw a potato chip...AND SUMMON IT!!!
Just According to Keikaku
_Translator’s Note: Keikaku means plan_
There is a patato archatype in Yu-Gi-Oh coming soon.
You are the greatest
its from death note but light dosent say that
@@pcastel7 I activate my spell card /whooosh
Wanna hear a great anime idea?
CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES!!!
Steamroller1819 turns out to be the best one of all the spin offs.
Lucas Starrk thats how ironic it is, ridiculous idea that they made work incredibly good
5d's plot in general lol
I love 5Ds
No. No. CARD GAMES ON MOTORBIKES!!!!!
"What deck do you play?"
*glances awkwardly at box of 43 MTG decks*
Yes.
"What deck do you play?"
*Pours a bucket of ocean water over my head.*
Nothing to explain.
*Travels back in time to duel Mako, the one who introduced me to the set of 'Umi' cards.*
Do you play Izzet Wizard Burn Jank?
«What deck do you play?»
looks at two blue mana open.
- i counterspell that question.
@@SimonDouville1 I counterspell your counterspell
@@jacobcain9008
It’s Izzet Wizard Scry/Burn Jank actually.
As an avid Yu-Gi-Oh player and anime fan, I resonated with this video on so many levels.
Dark Magician 4 Ever
When you scroll through mother's basement comments randomly and see Team APS. 10/10
any vampire deck tips?
Are you a yubtuber
Woop woop team APS
>''So much strategy and thought!''
>Shows a hunter deck
Your argument is invalid.
I signed into my 2nd account to like this a second time.
S M O R C = skill(?)
*D E N I E D*
Paulius Sip Hunter actually has good tools to beat warlock & priest right now despite not seeing much play. So I think its a good example
Geoff never said the strategies or thoughts were always GOOD, mind. Some Yu-Gi-Oh players use Dark Bribe in their decks. The world is a crazy place.
Yes Yugi exploiting Joey's Time Wizard was a duck move but before the series started Joey bullied Yugi at school
I see this as payback
Lol oh Jonuchi, you dickbag. I can't believe I read Yugioh in Shonen Jump before the card game was a big deal. I didn't like it because people were straight up getting murdered lol
@@JelloFluoride The fact that season zero was so dark is also the reason people ,like me, liked it
Fun fact that a anime only thing in the manga yugi and Joey never duel because Joey knows yugi is their best shot at beating pegasus so he goes for second place because he wanted to help yugi react to the top and get the prize money
Geoff wasn't using that as a criticism of the anime, he was using it as an example for potentially interesting character moments
"You never know 100% what cards you'll draw"
Ha! That's what you think, fool! But what say you when I play my 40 CARD POT OF GREED DECK, ALLOWING ME TO DRAW EVERY CARD IN MY DECK AND DECK OUT ON THE FIRST TURN!
But what does it do?
Well, if you had Spartacus with this, you would won...
@@lunalice-6320 Spartacus who?
@@wavewingman5993 Okay, so there is a card game I'm playing, called Shadowverse. And there is a deck which uses the follower Spartacus who makes you automatically win when your deck runs out. But it's no longer played in meta - too slow
@@lunalice-6320 you do realize those are two different card games, right?
"Destroy All Humanity. They Can't Be Regenerated" has a lot of what you want. It's a romcom/cardgame manga about a bunch of people playing Magic: The Gathering at their local game shop in the 90's. It works as a history lesson for the game's meta just as well as it does a story - there's actually a point where during the "combo winter" of 1998 the players all end up getting frustrated with the game and you learn a lot about WHY that's happening. The stakes are super duper low most of the time and the players run decks that fit into the meta of whatever time period the manga is in and run them in a sensible way. It also just has a lot of character moments outside of the card game which prevent it from becoming tiring to watch people play MtG. The focus is on the game as a hobby rather than as a vehicle for HIGH STAKES CARDBOARD COMBAT and I adore it. By the same author as Onani Master Kurosawa, who goes super far out of the way to draw all the classic card artwork as it was but simultaneously in a manga style. It's really cool, check it out.
Thank you so much for this recommendation! It looks really good :D
A +1 on Destroy All Humanity, it's so good
theres a fucking MTG manga that's somewhat faithful to how the game is played!? I gotta check this out.
Really pleased to know someone else knows about it, it is a perfect representation of how card games work as a whole.
Death Note level mind games in a TCG anime would be awesome.
I take my land..... AND TAP IT!
The E-Card arc of Kaiji season 1 (with the slave, emperor, and citizen) had a lot of cool mind game elements that would be really cool translated into a TCG setting.
It's not like yugioh players are not on that level already, ppl play Gamma to stop Gamma from stoping Ash from stoping their searches
Competitive matches are actually really interesting to watch, ppl tend to shit talk meta decks, but they are usually very skillfull decks to use at full potential, seeing a good pendulum magician, D/D/D, Dino Yang zings or even zoo was very cool, anyone can use these decks and get wins, but using them at full power takes a lot of skill
Jesse Mitchell check out Akagi
Yu-Gi-Oh GX took the "game" aspect of the "card game" further than most other YGO anime, showing characters opening packs, bricking, swapping cards, tech choices, etc. The story was obviously centered around a world-threatening danger, but you felt real attachment of the characters to their cards, as opposed to most other shows where they have all the individuality of Ki Blasts in DBZ. Something you rarely see in card game anime is two characters squaring off while using the same decks, which most certainly happened in GX.
I was actually really disappointed when the second season hit and the protagonist received a bunch of cards from outer space that were destined to defeat the evil of said season. It felt better when he was simply using his favorite deck consisting of cards that he likes, as opposed to being pre-destined to pilot a specific build that was given to him by the stars or fucking whatever in order to save the world.
The point where I would say the Yu-Gi-Oh anime backs away from crossing the line of wider mass appeal is the purpose for which the cards are used. Most people will write off an anime if they know it involves solving 95% of the conflicts (including world-scale ones) with card games. The ideal card game anime, when it comes to story, would probably be similar to Ping Pong the Animation - delving into the intricacies of a specific interest while focusing on the personal story of a group of people involved in it. Nothing more, nothing less. Maybe add a little bit of Kaiji intensity to keep people on the edge of their seat.
The point of Yu-Gi-Oh was, at least since GX (and it has only become more obvious as time went on, GX handled it fairly tastefully) to sell kids cards by making them look flashy and exciting - and it works, so there's really not much incentive to change for them. I can't imagine who would approach the undertaking of producing a relatively serious, down-to-earth TCG anime series, but I'm curious about the reception it would get.
Will you ever make a Hero Archetype Archive?
One of the many reasons GX is the best Yu-Gi-Oh anime
Gx is kinda weird, it has a mixture of that where it is close to the real game, but had random stuff like duel monkey, that buff guy who trained to draw the perfect card, duel spirit, duel spirit world etc.
yah, early gx is defiantly feels very fresh when compared to the other series.
GX also introduced the all new Ojama/Armed Dragon LV?/ Alphabet Rangers deck Which is actually pretty consistent. Going in the show with a 18-12 W/L ratio .... I never said it was good... just consistent...
8:20 Also, the Ceremonial Duel. Yugi's been spending the entire Memories of the Pharaoh arc trying to come up with a deck of his own, and after finally finding himself, both him and Atem choose not to look at each other's card collection while they modify their decks specifically to counter each other.
Atem comes up with a strategy that allows him to verey quickly summon the gods, and Yugi comes up with LV monsters that grow stronger with time and a time skip gimmick that allows him to quickly make them as strong as the God's raw powers.
This particular duel (and a few others in the show, to its credit) relies most on the strategy of each players and how they counter each other. it's still botched because they have no real research gimmick to actually form a singular winning condition to reach for, but it's still a pretty cool evolution compared to "Heart of the Cards".
Heart of the Cards has not been a thing outside of the dub though.
@@Thisdude850 Not... quite. It's very explicit within the manga that both Yugi and Atem have the power to "will" the card they most need to be drawn; this is why Atem gets a skill in Duel Links which literally puts any one card into your hand under certain conditions.
@@tvguy61 Yugi is all but explicitly stated to be a descendant of Atem. He's also the fulfillment of prophecy and a legendary duelist in his own right - the Ceremonial Duel was the culmination of Yugi becoming a legend in his own right rather than simply relying on Atem.
Maybe, but this duel was to see if Yugi could stand on his own without Atem. If they looked to see what cards the other “could” have it kinda hurts the message they were going for
Didn’t even know Card game Anime was an actual thing other than yugioh
Lemon I'd struggle to name one outside YGO, Duel Masters and Vanguard.
Lemon ya their alot their also anime that use cards but not as in tcg.like two anime i enjoyed watching were majin bone and hero bank. Both used cards to tranfrom but not to collect it all. For other tcg their battle spirt,future card buddy fight,duel master was fun its like remake kaijudo was more summon the monsters to fight you than the old make a deck&battle. Oh! Their also different tcg mangas one i enjoy call Chaosic Rune where people have decks they used as life and monsters that kill. Its an kill or be kill manga with monsters summon by cards. Good times good times.
Yes me too 😂
What about Future Card Buddyfight: the anime with the worst title ever made? Is that actually a real card anime?
The name is weird, but its really fun and fast. Also, the animeness of the show works for it.
A trap card is no match against my secret weapon! That's right... A DRAW FOUR CARD!!! With an uno card in my left hand, a yugioh card in my right hand, and a potato chip in my mouth, I am unstoppable!!!! MWAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
I remember when I was an insane person for a period of a couple months and rewatched the entirety of Yu-gi-oh and GX one thing that stuck out was the fact that in comparison to Yugi, Jaden had a plan in each duel. It usually followed the same formula: use Skyscraper, summon flame wingman or some other elemental hero fusion, and win. However, this was far more enjoyable than Yugi relying on pure protagonist powers to win each duel. It at least felt like there was some kind of strategy involved which I like after getting into competitive Yu-Gi-Oh at least the bare minimum.
you are correct, gx even shows them opening packs and changing their decks and the inner workings of how their decks function, like chazz running 3 maksed dragons so hes left with a armed dragon lvl 3 at the end of the turn which he can turn into lvl 5. Kinda sad to see he completly ignored gx in this video seeing as how most of his points are met in that series, even 5ds puts a lot of focus on deck building and strategy during the mechlord ark.
MrSGZone I mean that's Bastion's whole point in Yu-gi-oh GX. He used mathmatics, probability, and calculus in general to build his deck to counter the other players ones. But, besides that, I don't think the show focus as much as it should in this particular detail.
(Sorry for any english mistakes. It's not my first language)
8Kazuja8 CHAZZ IT UP
No, it certainly didn't go into extreme detail but in comparison to the original series. In GX each character at least had an archetype as opposed to the original in which it was a bunch of random cards with one card that allowed them to win and we would never see again. It was nice because I had just barely gotten back into the card game and reconstructed my only "competitive" deck from when I was a kid and I surprisingly enjoyed GX more because it had at least a little bit more strategy.
It’s why I liked Gx more growing up, everyone’s deck had a theme and cards that worked in conjunction with the other. Making their monsters more like the characters signature. E Hero’s were Jadens cards. Cyber dragons were Zane’s. Gears were Crowlers. Etc
If Yugi had a strictly Magician based deck like Arcana instead of a mix mash of Lions, swordsman, magnets, knights, and then Dark magician and Girl his deck would be more iconic.
Geoff: "This video is going to do bad"
2 years later: 1 million views
Maybe you've just gotta write that Card Game story yourself!
holy crap dude, he absolutely needs to hire an illustrator and make that freaking manga!
@@Da_Swifta There has to be at least one aspiring doujin artist who is also a serious TCG nerd. Just need a generation of TCG obsessed Japanese people to make it blow up in popularity. Then find an animation studio that respects creative vision of the author to realize it will sell well and we are golden.
@@Zarkyun oh trust me I’m working on it. 🔥
**Guiltily looks past laptop to see bookshelf with the entire original Yu-Gi-Oh on it, plus my metal case where I keep my three different main decks plus that cool collectible that has all of Yugi's decks from the series and all my other silly merch**
This video is gonna hurt my soul, isn't it? ;_;
seqka711 Only if you think the Shadow Realm was he greatest idea ever.
This video didn't hurt! I've actually thought about this before, how much I'd love to see YGO characters actually building their decks. I was into the card game before I got into the manga, and the two have always been really separate in my mind, since the manga a) focuses on a lot of things that isn't duel monsters and b) the rules are completely different anyway. But I was still disappointed when the DDD mini-arc ended and we find out Yugi made a new deck but we didn't get to see him make it. :(
Like I said before, I play Yu-Gi-Oh (still, I've been playing this game for nearly 15 years) and I've run a lot of different decks during that time. Right now my main deck is Madolche, despite that deck falling out of favour a bit. I can't really afford to replace it with something newer, and it's still got a good anti-meta since you return cards to the deck instead of sending them to the graveyard. I own seven decks, but only two are playable. The others are either a) recreated decks for characters or b) old decks from years gone by that are now full of banned cards or just plain outdated.
Also, YES about the whole "the only life point that matters is the last one" bit. Some f my favourite cards cost me LPs but cost my opponent more. XD
True that only your last life point matters, but the hypothetical pay all but 1 life point to draw 3 cards is in actuality a really bad card, because life points are a type of resource in the game. A lot of decks have cards where you are required to pay life points as costs or to activate effects and a card that forces you to pay all but 1 for only a +2 means that after playing that card, unless you have a way to consistently restore your life points, you cannot play any cards that require life point payment for their effects like Soul Charge.
Yeah, that's too hefty a cost, it leaves you vulnerable. But the fact is Chicken Game was forbidden because 1000 Lifepoints was simply too low a cost to be able to draw more cards every turn. I doubt there will ever be a good, balnced "draw more cards" card.
And here's the thing, his hypothetical "sacrifice all Lifepoints but 1 to draw two cards" card is something I would ABSOLUTELY put 3 of into an Exodia deck. In Exodia decks you're already betting everything on getting Exodia as fast as humanely possible. Plus, since you pay "all but one", if you're already at 1, it (in theory I'm assuming) wouldn't cost anything anymore.
And that's not including all sorts of other weird strategies people could probably come up with. My bet is that it would be limited to 1 in months.
kcsupersonic1 it would be hilarious if someone open up with that on turn one, followed by their opponent casting like Sparks or any other cheap burn card and just winning the game
Lol. I could totally see a comedy card anime where a guy spends every moment looking for that one card to complete his deck, travelling across the world, traversing deserts and tundras -finally getting the card, only to sit at the next tournament and learn it got banned during the time he was searching for it.
P.S. this actually happened to me - fucking vanity's emptiness....
Lex Benjamin
Dude, god cards are like a dime a dozen. Like I said, card was called 'vanity's emptiness'.
Almost same thing happened to my friend, he tried to find 4 of the same card named Omega Glendios in Cardfight. Problem? The card got banned due to having almost the same effect as Exodia.
TheBloodswordsman I need this to become a movie.
This happened to me, [Emrakul The Promised End] got banned on the way to me.
AND LIKE A MOTHERFUCKER I HAD ORDERED A PLAYSET (4 in MtG)
MDKcde
I love Mtg, especially the story (Shadow over Innistrad and Eldritch Moon being my favourite) but I've been sitting it out for a while. A friend of mine though had the exact same thing happen to him with Emrakul as well. Since we live in the Caribbean shipping takes at least two weeks...
Yu-Gi-Oh villains do build decks all around one strategy to reach an optimal board state. One of them in fact had a deck about stalling the opponent and drawing Exodia.
It's just that the King of Topdecking always wins.
Did he mark his cards? I recall his cheat was having fake, black market cards.
Arkana folded his cards or something that made Yugi mad.
Hell, Kaiba’s decks always involve summoning arbitrarily big dragons, which in itself is his win condition, and he generally does it pretty well.
Unfortunately Yami specifically has the ability to draw any card he wants, when he wants it. Cheater.
Ah yes, now I remember there was a moment where he said the last Exodia piece was the next card on his deck.
Arkana's trick was that he could shuffle his deck however he wanted to.
But yeah, funny how villains tend to be the ones with well-constructed combo decks, but everyone is a cheating scumbag, even Yugi.
If you’re going to talk about yugioh characters preparing for duels, you can’t Leave out bastion, the one Guy Who actually had different decks and created a new one just to counter jaden. He still lost to the topdeckking tho
No, what Arcana did was trim his Dark Magician cards so that no matter how the deck was cut, he would get it in his opening hand. Steve marked his cards with a special ink that could be seen with special contact lenses. Its not unlike Mai and her perfume trick, though he didn't do the whole mindgames thing.
Remember when the Pokémon anime was about meeting new people and having friendly duels? The format 100% works for children and adults alike.
As a Yu-Gi-Oh fan, I think it's important to note that the story of Yugi, Jonouchi, Anzu etc. Wasn't actually originally written to sell trading cards. The original story is about Yugi being possessed by a Pharaoh who tricks, traps and sometimes kills his high school bullies without his knowledge. The manga only goes for about 30 chapters, but it's actually a kind of awesome, bizzare story.
The idea is that the Pharaoh always tells people he wants to play a game, then rigs it. Eventually the kids try a game called Dual Monsters for a couple chapters, but it's not the focus of the story. They play it, duel Kaiba and then move on so Yugi can play with Tamagotchis, a card-guessing game with a terrorist and using a Yo-Yo to beat up street thugs in a yo-yo based gang. Later on Konami got involved and the story became about card games, but they were never the foundation of the show. That's why there's so many dark elements being censored out, and why they focus so heavily on the friendships of these characters instead of the cards in their decks.
It's less an admission that the card game can't carry the show than it is that the show is a story being forced to incorporate itself with the card game. Had the story been written from the ground up about the TCG, I suspect they would have had a more balanced cast and had the Pharao lose the odd game, showcased actual strategies that can be implemented in the game, etc.
September Bl0tches That manga sounds pretty awesome. They should have based the anime on that.
The King of Games indeed.
They did, it's refereed to as Yu-Gi-Oh! Season 0.
The manga was actually about to be canceled. If Takahashi didn’t put the emphasis on card games and Kaiba, we might not have even known about the series.
I loved season 0 so much it was great seeing what game Yugi would play next and how he'd win including the punishment I'm sad it ended and they decided to focus on the card games
honda had an actual role in season 0 rip
Sadly, YGO meta is so fast and homogenous that there are limits to how faithfully anime could recreate it.
Yugi: You’re no match for my SPYRALs, Kaiba!
Kaiba: Yugi, you fool, I’m also running SPYRALs! EVERYONE is, they’re tier 0!
Yugi: oh...
Kaiba: Also, you didn’t topdeck the hand traps you needed to prevent my unbreakable turn one board, so the game is officially over. I’ll negate everything you try to do on turn 2, forcing you to resign in disgust!
Yugi:nooooooooo!!
Id love to see someone have their opponent scoop to victory dragon and then ultimately lose the match.
"I scoop"
"Ha ha ha- YOU WHAT"
"I am playing pendulum magicians and have set up a board of 4 separate ways to destroy your cards during your turn"
"set 2 scales, wavering eyes, game 2?"
There was a big post on /r/magictcg about the idea of doing a Magic anime. It was actually really cool. Ironically, the busted-ass combo control deck they suggested the anime protagonist pilot has since been band. Rip splinter twin.
The main character definitely has to play blue a lot. Just for the comedic factor.
Lancer Guy
Best ep EVER!
in yugioh, during battle city, they were dueling for cards and joey used cards he won and a card was slipped into his deck by weevle underwood and it helped weevle's game
With Yu-Gi-Oh you gotta remember the manga and anime came out before the card game which was the tie in to the anime not vice versa, so it was made to just be dramatic and not realistic at first.
It was about the ghost of an evil pharaoh possessing a kid and killing people after toying(AH!) with them.
@@MV96_ I see someone's watched the original pilot.
@@Zarkyun Nah, I just watched the video/s where LittleKuriboh reacts to the first part of the manga.
@@Zarkyun but i did lol
I was actually just thinking about this last night. Even having the characters lose once and a while and have to rethink their decks would be a step in the right direction.
Can't make the character lose when most losses are death, so the stakes are probably the first problem.
It would
Best of three would do it.
Exactly so, yes. Making it best of three would build in a buffer that would allow the protagonists to lose a game and still advance. It would also allow the show to explore more of the opponent's strategy, by having their decks play out against each other multiple times.
For example, the first match might see the protagonist win because the opponent couldn't get their strategy up and running. But a little tension would be built up, as the protagonist is watching their opponent's cards and trying to guess what that strategy could be. Match 2, the opponent gets the cards needed to thrash the protagonist. The third becomes the tense one, as the protagonist must rethink their deck composition, and rush to pull off their winning formula before the opponent does theirs. There's even the mind game element, as the two players wonder if they should slot in cards that counter their opponent, or to counter the counters, etc. It would be really tense and dramatic.
Wait, are you saying that a proper Magic The Gathering anime would still be a better gambling anime than Kakegurui?
Sambou Jaiteh
Woah there buddy, you mentioned two of the three things needed for the virginity trifecta. Be careful or it'll absorb you
Harsh haze I actually don’t play MtG, or watched past the first episode of Kakegurui. I’m still in the middle of that virginity vortex, though. Different trifecta.
Sambou Jaiteh No he’s saying it’d be a better sports anime than Middle school girls playing ping-pong.
No no you put money in for a chance to win. You cant cash out with magic. you just spend more and more money
Ryuhitsuya 21 oh you can still cash out you're not making any returns or even a profit unless all your cards SPIKED UP in price.
Agreed, having some Death Note kind of "intelligence battle" between the players would be really cool in a TCG anime
Daniel Gonzalez yugioh 5ds with Jack vs yusie?
We need Deck Note.
yeah.. and i want ryuk card..
If you all want a good card game show look up chaotic it's basically yu gi Ho ,world of Warcraft ,Pokemon and avatar (the blue people avatar) combined but because it focused so much on good story rather than good marketing it was sadly cancelled I still recommend you watch it. It does have a end all be it a very filler feeling raping it up end.
to use a ryuk card you would need to sacrifice 1 apple token per turn
There's this recent manga from 2019 "Destroy All Humanity, It Can't Be Regenerated", about 2 middle school students playing MTG in 1998 though while they do go to cards events and stuff it's more of a slice of life/romance with MTG than a full blown tcg focus.
It does focus on gameplay a bit. It shows the main character learning about proper deckbuilding and gameplay. Also living through Necro Summer.
@@radix4400 Oh I know it does, I meant it isn't like a YuGiOh or vanguard where the card game is seemingly or outright the center of the world.
Sorry I guess I didn't worded well.
Yo, this sounds dope. I love the character designs too. Interested in checking it out!
@@MinniMaster I recommend it!
btw it's a monthly release but the fan translation is pretty consistent with the updates.
Sanbyaku'en Madao So I ended up binging the whole thing in like a day lol. It was great! This is exactly what card game anime should be like, focused more on the relationships between the characters and the strategy rather than some world-ending aliens or whatever. The theme of happy days being finite is really bittersweet and resonates with me quite a bit. Waiting a month between chapters is gonna be a _huge_ pain, but oh well.
What about a card game anime where the main character can't find people to play with? *sobs atop of my DragoBorne collection*
lmao DragoBorne
Haha i know what you mean i got two of the starter decks online since no store sell them where i live. So only person to play is me or random people at a game night at my local library.
zerokura I was at the release event at Gencon last year. Bought all 3 starter decks and a booster box...
There's a Facebook group in my city for it but it's pretty much dead.
Jake Deerberg AHHHH I FEEL YOU MAN I FEEL YOU
Jake Deerberg haha if i redownload discord on my laptop we could play together haha. Oh ya you know a new deck and booster came out. But now who to play were forever alone.
Around 12:10 you mention how most anime involve luck and world threatening stakes. I just understood it now. THATS GAMBLING ADDICTION.
i understand it now*
you're welcome
But that Yu Gi Oh Theme Song though...
Dragon Ball Black it's time to duel!
Dragon Ball Black But what about IWGP heavyweight champion Kazuchika Okada giving the protagonists monsters Rainmakers
It is pretty iconic. as much as you can mock yugioh;s cheesy writing the opening always gets me hyped to see a match
Did they ever make the Yugioh Zero anime where he goes around killing people in Shadow Games??
They have, it's commonly referred to as Season Zero. It even has a movie with a proto-Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon. It hasn't been dubbed though, so if subs aren't your deal then you're out of luck.
"[...] You can never be 100% what cards you draw [...]"
*_Altergeist, Orcust, Salamangreats, Sky Striker and Cyber Dragon player has left the chat_*
We finally got a power bond searcher atleast.
*ANY TWO MONSTERS IS FULL ORCUST COMBO*
Orcust players bricking with full combo on their hands
@@jacobcain9008I love that card and the thing I use to search it is searchable by core
What is more grounded than CARDGAMES ON MOTORCYCLES!?!?!
Nothing
card games on hoverboards in a VR world
(Card) Games on a plane.
Cardgames on FLYING GOLDEN MOTORCYCLES IN SPACE!
What do we need to make YugiOh! more appealing
- Introduce a New Summoning mechanic
- Show players propper dueling technics
- CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES!!!
My favorite moment is when the bad guy on a motorcycle is losing so he throws actual dynamite at the good guy to end the duel...
Yugioh sucks ass
Man, that was a long time ago. Make me feel old.
En5vy Nah, on surf boards.
En5vy Nah, on surf boards.
You're 100% right, an anime based around those interpersonal conflicts rooted in card games would be amazing.
Malcolm Johnson Agreed.
They succeeded doing something similar with an animated series about competitive gaming
zaceron I remember watching a series like that.
the whole time i was like "he's describing cardfight vanguard.... is he gonna mention cardfight vanguard?" XD
You're just mad because with no monster on the field, I can summon Dark Magician to use Mystical Space Typhoon from my hand to negate the trap card you activated because screw the rules I play children card game on motorcycle.
That's way too many memes in one comment.
Oh god so many memes.
So, I once came up with a show premise like this. Basically, it was a world that treated its main card game like a mix of professional wrestling and NASCAR. Wrestling, not in the sense that matches are scripted, but rather in the sense that professional players have public personas and rivalries that are played up by promoters to get audiences, grudge matches on pay-per-view being just as important as tournaments. There are actual "face" and "heel" players whose real-life personalities are often quite different. Our protagonist, for example, is actually good friends with his supposed arch-rival, and greatly dislikes one of his closest "ally" players. It's like NASCAR in the sense that everyone covers themselves in corporate advertisements to make money. Characters include our protagonist (who has been "typecast" into only using one specific set of cards, but gets along because they have a lot of flexibility, a la Jaden's Elemental Heroes), his public rival/private best friend (who's theme is always tossing his deck, using the newest booster pack and pioneering new metagame strategies with it, helped by the fact that the booster game companies give him the cards early so he'll use them when the pack comes out and boost sales), and a fangirl who in the first episode or so wins a "spend the day with the protagonist" contest and is shocked to find that he and the rival aren't much like their public personas, who ends up hanging around the protagonist afterwards. Potential plotlines (depending on how weird or serious the show is) include: a criminal group trying to fix card games for money (as there is a sports betting industry built on this stuff); just general "protagonist dealing with fame problems and the game he loves being corporatized and no longer fun" stuff; a Yu-Gi-Oh style "I lured these people here so I can steal their magical artifacts" plot, except the villain just steals the artifacts while the people are asleep; a vile demon that wants to destroy the world but also has a crippling gambling addiction, allowing the protagonists to get him to agree to back off if they beat him in a card game; the protagonist is challenged by the likes of Maximilian Pegasus, a card developer with an absurdly broken deck of custom cards and the magical ability to read minds, in a high-stakes game that the villain agrees is not "tournament restricted" (meaning non-tournament-legal cards like his OP custom cards are allowed), thus resulting in the protagonist playing a deck composed of 30 copies of the tournament-banned, deliberately overpowered joke card "Deus Ex Machina." If anyone has any other suggestions or ideas, feel free to reply to this comment and say them!
Michael Ramon I would love to read or watch this if you have something written for it
@Michael I like your story and I think that it could be pretty fun to experience.
Michael Ramon Dude, write a script or something and find a way to pitch it to an animation company, that sounds amazing!
Michael Ramon I don't even like card game anime and I'd watch/read the shit out of this
This sounds amazingly fun
So, basically, we need a card game between Light and L?
then you need to raise the stakes.
You could call it Deck Note.
I need Deck Note now...
That would be cool and the loosers soul get sent to the shadow re...
oops
Sorry but Shadow realm don't exist just a lie
The winner can write the loser's name on their Deck Note
*”you can literally use the same exact structure to make it good to watch bread rise. Someone did actually, and it’s great”*
yakitate japan! i loved that anime it was hilarious XD
My favorite pat of Yu-Gi-Oh GX is when they face the guy whose whole schtick is believing in the heart of the cards, and at the last moment when he puts faith in the heart of the cards to give him the one card in his deck that will let him win, he doesn't draw it. Basically just GX holding a giant middle finger up to the original series (and itself, honestly).
I think I remember the episode you're talking about... and wasn't it more that he starting thinking about the exact draw he needed too much and that stopped him from drawing it... I think that's what the idea of it was.
you mean the guy who copied yugi?
Jorg the Mercenary Spearman
Though the heart of the cards thing was eventually revealed to just be the Puzzle's and Also the Pharoahs true power, "Destiny Draw". The ability to bend fate to your will for your own benefit. Or in the case of a card game, it let's him stack his deck mid match without anyone knowing. Duel Links even made this a skill he can use.
He technically cheated in almost every duel he had. Granted he did this subconsciously without really knowing since the Puzzle sometimes does things on it own, but still.
GX is on another level compared to the original. There even the main character knows that thematic decks are better. In the original Yugi's deck was a mess until he rebuilds it to focus on his favourite card. But even after that he just put cards in what would made it unplayeble with equal chances.
Want to point out that it happened in Yugioh DM first. Yami pulls a card and he says that the next will be the one. Kaiba is like "WTF."
In regards to having a "win state" or plan for your deck (at least in YGO), it seems to only be the villains/opponents that ever have that. Yugi or the other protags will pull a win out of nowhere, but the opponents often have set strategies in place to get the win. Like, the first Rare Hunter using cards that stall Yugi to find Exodia, Team Unicorn utilising mill effects to wear down Yusei's deck, or Bakura using Destiny Board.
The opponents often have strategies in place like a real player would, and it's a little unfortunate that Yugi and pals never win using pre-established cards to turn the tables. They usually pull out a new card with a special effect that counters that exact strategy, basically to advertise new cards. It's definitely a missed opportunity, and something I didn't think about until it was brought up.
Also, something you didn't touch on is when characters get new cards mid-game. It really ruins some of the tension and main conceit of it being a game with set rules. It's not cool that Yuma wouldn't have won if the Zexal Weapons didn't just show up in his deck, or that Yuuya just invents an entire summon type while playing (though that was more a story crutch to show off the new gimmick). It defeats that idea of building a deck to counter what your opponent may throw at you, cause you never know when these characters will just pull new cards from nowhere.
Great video, really got me thinking about YGO more, which I love.
This is the problem right here, opponent decks are likely to be filled with more strategy and forethought because the strategy can be explained and talked about during the match, once that player is then out of the game it doesn't matter that we know how their deck plays because we won't have to bother fighting them again.
However in order for a main protagonist to have stakes we can't be privy to his strategy, cause if the game is actually played out properly we know his strategy and we know that he's on a path to win the entire time. In order to have tension we have to have the protagonist themselves feel like they can't win until the last moment, so even they can't have a strategy built into the deck that can later be explained.
The problem is in order for the game to be exciting we have to be ignorant of the rules so a rule can be told to us at the right moment to either raise or release tension, life points have to be an indication of "who's winning" even though cards on the field and in the hand are a better indicator of who's winning.
The problem is to write a good story, the game mechanics have to be bad. Most of these animes are based off (or blatantly selling) real card games, and you can tell which animes are "fun" when the rules of the anime's version of the game are wildly different from the real game.
It's the same problem as a gambling anime, in order to have stakes and make it exciting we have to remove the game from being real, except in gambling they're traditionally doing more "simple" games with simple rules, and in order to make it exciting we have to either have a gambling addict win far more than they have any right to, or keep losing bets and still making new ones.
@Jesse Schoedel But they couldn't win on a technicality, because...because...DON'T QUESTION ME!
Sherrif Not even remotely close, actually.
The problem is not that a gambling anime can’t work without being ignorant of the rules, the problem is that writers for this show don’t care enough to make a way to do so.
Obviously, a show like Kaiji exists, which despite being more of a gambling anime, still achieves the goal of the games being layed out, all of the rules being shown, and still being able to hurt the main character and show that he can lose.
Yu-Gi-Oh, as many have said in this comment section, doesn't care to do this because the entire point for the anime's existence is to sell individual cards by pulling them out of their asses to win at the last second. It's only by sheer laziness that the show can't make duels exciting for even a moment
I don't know what you mean yugi always had a win strategy that his whole deck was build around.
DURA MONSTER CARDO!
@@charliecoke7396 Reminds me of the time he gave that Heart of the Underdog card to a kid with a really unbalanced 90%-normal-monster deck. Ended up drawing 7 monsters in a row, and using 6 of them to power up Spirit Ryu to win the duel.
I believe in the heart of the credit card
mrlean30 thats gacha
so so true
"I Sacrifice my Enraged battle Ox and $5 to summon: Blue eyes white dragon!"
Cardfight Vanguard did things like this while building excitement for the battles themselves. (season one, at least)
season 1 was the best
@@יונתןמעודה-ע4ק fax
Not just season one, pretty much every season more or less had focus on slice of life type storylines and realistic themes that are much more relatable to you than what you’d find in a typical card game anime
The current reboot as well
Yeah, with the reboot they had plenty of episodes like that, there were the first 14 before the asteroids showed up, a little later with aichi at his new high school and then during the koshien when it was mostly tournament based
Season 2 even did reasonably well. At least until it became a battle for another world.
Even late season 1 kinda fell into that. But for the most part it had building excitement and then loss and learning.
9:15
About a villain intentionally planting a card in someone's deck to hard-counter it
Weevil Underwood did the same thing to Joey with his bug parasite
And made more sense than the example of Yugi vs Joey since Yugi didn't intentionally rig Joey since he'd be giving him a Risk it all dice deck.
Also didnt that guy from zexal name flip i think give yuma an xyz monster so he could basically steal all of yumas number cards from his extra deck
Parasite paracide.
@@Yinyanyeow Also time wizard REALLY helped Joey out and the chance of yugi even using the magician against Joey was low
@@ironmaster6496 Neat to know. I was just thinking of the personality of the ones involved.
Geoff, while your characterization of Yugioh is correct for the most part, you missed plenty of counterexamples, even in the original show. For one thing, Ishizu gives Kaiba Obelisk with the intention of beating him later, and with an exact plan for how she will win that centers around him using Obelisk. He avoids losing through some magic bs, but we shouldn't ignore Ishizu's strategy.
Apart from that example, plenty of villains have a specific win strategy/win condition that they try to meet when they duel. Strings plays an infinite draw/Slifer/Revival Jam beatdown deck. Jean Claude Magnum uses his ninjas' swarm effects to swarm the field and then attack. Bakura's battle city deck revolves around stalling with Dark Sanctuary until he can win with Destiny Board. Valon gets out Psychic Armor Head, Active Guard, and Big Bang Blow, then uses Big Bang Blow's effect. Zigfried uses Ride of the Valkyries to clear the field, his Goddess spell cards to banish his opponent's cards, then uses Rainbow Bridge Bifrost to increase his monster's ATK and attack for game.
Weevil repeatedly messes with his opponent's decks to try to create more favorable matchups. In Duelist Kingdom, he throws away Yugi's Exodia cards because he doesn't have a counter. In Battle City, he plants Parasite Paracide in Joey's deck to turn Joey's monsters into insects that he can counter.
The last duel of the show even revolves around the concept of deck building. Yugi states that he is building a deck with the goal of countering Yami Yugi's deck, and he wins the duel by successfully executing his plans to counter the God Cards and Monster Reborn.
I'm not saying that card games in the Yugioh anime usually play out like real card games - they don't. Furthermore, the anime often works on a perverse logic where the villains have a single strategy and win condition, which a hero beats by pulling the monster of the day out of his ass.
Nonetheless, it's a long and varied show where duels aren't always about plot convenience and the heart of the cards, and you're not giving it enough credit.
Tuathadestrider jaden has to re-learn how to have fun dueling after all the shit he has to go through
YGO 5Ds is probably a shining example of this. Yusei and the other 5Ds members all had decks with a strategy that synergized with their dragon. And excusing the anime-exclusive traps/spells/monsters that specifically pulls some bullshit to get Yusei/the rest out of trouble in their game, the decks they used does hit on the point of countering and bringing out their win con, even though the stakes of the game went up to crazy levels of insanity at some point
Joey actually doesn't get enough credit either. His deck isn't great (though it's better than Yugi's) but he makes the most of the strategies he does have and while he does have luck-based cards, he always manages his risks except in the most desperate of circumstances. He is probably the most skilled duelist in the show, I mean he beat MARIK fair and square without a single Egyptian god card.
@@warp_skip "His deck isn't great (though it's better than Yugi's)"
His deck is worse than Yugi´s. Joey still runs random trash monsters from Duelist Kingdom during Battle City, his cards lack any synergy and he uses luck cards all the time.
@@gameking8809 Yugi's deck relies on drawing the perfect combo every time, otherwise it's a complete brick. It's complete bullshit that he is even able to make a play in most duels. Joey's cards are weaker but his deck is more consistent. Yugi is way more of a gambler than Joey in actuality
If you really think about it, Magic the Gathering could be made into two shows, one for the card game aspect, and another for the expansive lore within the game itself.
An anime centered around neck beards huh? So kinda like Cute Girls Doing Cute things, except it's Neck Beards Doing Nerdy Shit.
Honestly, I've been thinking soooooo much about this, and I've even gotten a good idea of a plot down that can merge the two together, if WOTC wants to call me
I'd love to see a Yu-Gi-Oh-style representation of the "Oops All Spells" deck. Turn one, our protagonist summons a number of ghostly elves and spirit-gorillas to perform a dark ritual and summon a vampire spy before vanishing. The vampire turns around and burns the protagonist's own deck to the ground, releasing three or four jellyfish. One of the jellyfish goes over and starts rifling through the opponent's hand to stop him from interfering, while the other two perform a sacrificial rite to resurrect an angel, who in turn resurrects two wizards. The wizards make an important discovery, get their doctorate, and our protagonist wins!
And Seto Kaiba is sitting there trying to figure out what the hell just happened.
jonmarc11 hello strawman my old friend. I’ve come to talk to you again...
Fun fact: Duel Masters *is* Magic: The Gathering!
I really love how Vanguard thinks that "Believing in the heart of the cards" which is Pysqualia Is counted as cheating
It is similar to autotarget in FPS. IMO CF Vanguard is 1/5 cardgame (I played it 3 years until got bored), because how huge role luck plays and small margin of error (heal, crit like 1st Kai vs Aichi OR double critical like s1 Kamui vs Amy).
@@copiumkiller True the trigger stacking can screw you over, but that is the fun part about it. At least it is better than yugioh where u set up 5000 negates on field and hand and you may as well scoop. Vangaurd at least allows for a comeback mechanic, or fun mind games psyching your opponents up when doing trigger checks to force them to remove more cards than necessary or hit them hard in the face with double triggers (overtriggers can go to hell though).
@@bryanyap3888 I have my own card game grading system (playing tenths of them 10+ years).
1 out of 5 has too much luck factor (such as Pokemon or Cardfight Vanguard).
2 - does not have basic aspect for competent game (3 out of 5). For example, Yugioh does not have energy system, which allows half hour turns, card "juggling".
3 - is competent game with all basics(Magic the Gathering)
4 - has comeback mechanics (such as Duel masters, battle spirits)
5 - uses space, placing units is a skill (Plants vs zombies:Heroes, Athenion)
"Athenion" (my fav TCG I have played) was shut down due to low popularity.
The game has many great ideas such as units can only attack in certain directions. There is 8 directions (sides and diagonals) and if enemy attacks to your blind zone, then you cannot counterattack to that enemy. Also unique mechanics, which really changes how you approach the game.
@@bryanyap3888 Yu-gi-oh is my dirty pleasure, because Lightsworn etc. feels nostalgic. But totally agree that 15 - 30 min turns are BORING. Also, for example, if you face Exodia deck, it goes 1st and you do not have a specific hand traps in hand, it is SO boring. And I say it being in platinum league in duel links and master duel. Also totally agree that interactivity aspect of Vanguard is much better than Yu-gi-oh. Still being better than bottom tier in some aspects does not make the game great. Play "Plants vs zombies:Heroes" and you should understand what I mean 5/5 card game.
I'd like to see a game anime that's just about kids playing a game for fun, and when a villain shows up saying he'll use the game to channel demon magic and take over the world, it turns out he can't and is just crazy. At worst the kids older friend calls the cops on him, and at best he's just an annoyance the kids tolerate or eventually make friends with. Kinda like ice king from adventure time ':)
Kris Lundell I would watch the hell out of that.
Kris Lundell That actually sounds pretty hilarious when you consider the implications of the guy being crazy. I'd totally watch something like that :).
That sounds like a great anime. I would watch the hell out of that
Kris Lundell sounds sorta boring
Would be hilarious if the "Villain" was portrayed as all menacing and mysterious, but just turned out to be some weird chunibyo kid who they then make friends with to round out the arc.
I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO GIVE VANGUARD THE RECOGNITION IT DESERVES
The first couple of seasons were pretty good. It's pretty shit now.
First three were pretty good. I'd say it's still ok as it's own show. Doesn't go past OK too far.
Anybody know what anime at 0:0
Vanguard is a pretty TRASH show and game. I play it. There’s no competitive aspect to it. Bushiroad literally does not give a fuck about their player base. :/ also. Set 14 will kill this game.
Amanda DeMizio now you listen here you top decking sack hacker crusty end of ibuki’s hair bushiroad cares VERY MUCH about their SHADOW PALADIN player base thank you
I could never really get into CCGs due to both the raw cost of deck building and the fact I was one of those people who played with cards/creatures I personally liked while everyone else was Giant Dad'ing it up.
Hypno-Thorax Casual > competitive
Eternal Alchemist Anime And Gaming- No, you are supposed to say "What are you, casual?"
Robert Kelly Can't, I'm too casual to make jokes about casuals.
This, pretty much. I really enjoy collecting, but I've always had this obsession with using the things I love over the things that would be..well, actually useful.
That's why I always loved the message of games like Pokemon that go out of their way to tell you that what matters are things like friendship and staying true to what you like and not change it just because it has bigger numbers. Not saying I didn't have strategies, but when all you have is a handful of fluffy balls of baby Pokemon, that's just not gonna win against someone's team of legendaries simply because your numbers aren't big enough to even put your strategy to use.
Cardgames are luckily less focused on raw numbers, like MB said, but it still comes down to "Aww this little 200 attack and defense point critter is the most adorable thing ever ♡" and if it was ONLY these types at least one could build a strat around that, but nope, the next I fall in love with is the total opposite. You don't get a well-matching deck that way, obviously.
I think these anime fit very well with people who are mostly in it for the collecting aspect and less the actual games, since the animes are all about treasuring the cards that are special to you - which, tbh, is a valid strat to get people to buy cards as well..?^^"
Hypno-Thorax Might I suggest that you may find the Peasant format of MTG a solid fit if you could find people to play with. After I spent about 5% of my income in one year on MTG around two decades back and realized I had no hope of keeping up with the hardcore tournament playing Spikes around me, I went hard as a peasant player for a few years before giving up the game more or less all together (no real time to play anymore). The nicest thing about it is that you can (or could at any rate) build a proper deck that can be moderately competitive outside the format for about the cost of a starter deck (depending on the current meta you're building against).
Honestly, its the last arc in the manga of Shokugeki that goes completely off the rails for me. All of a sudden the cooks get magical skills with use conditions... that was just a brutal mood killer.
(Y) same
You missed one very vital point that explains WHY Cardgame animes don't do most of the stuff that you described (and what Cardfight vanguard in the beginning did.)
TCGs all exist on a legal grey area. Technically, they are, more or less, a gambling product. There is no way around it. The only reason why shows like Yu-Gi-Oh, Battle-spirits, Vanguard and many more are in fact even allowed to have a "20 minute commercial" aka a TV-Show is because they stay in that legal grey area by not DIRECTLY advertising their product to said kids. This is the reason why none of these characters are ever seen buying booster-packs etc. anymore, because that would leave the legal area those toys are allowed to exist in.
Cardfight Vanguard is a perfect example of this. The show was not allowed to be aired in Germany and France because it directly advertised the cardgame. For example, there was a conversation between two people about the very first expansion during the first regional tournament-arc which actually name-droped the real set. This is technically not allowed to happen and this is also the explanation of why characters in those shows gain their key-cards via "magic", because it's not a real way to get those cards, thus staying in the legal realm by not directly advertising these products. Vanguard stopped doing this because, as far as I found out, the advertisement laws in Japan seemed to have been changed around that time which forced them to do so.
P.S.: The reason side-boards don't exist in those shows have to do with time-constraints. TCG's with sideboard tend to have 1 hour+ matches in certain cases which you simply cannot incorporate into a 20 minute TV-episode-format.
EnerKaizer don't know much about laws or anything like that, but what about the fact that Yugi's grandpa owning a cardshop? Is the work around being the in-world game being called Duel Monsters and the real world game being Yu-Gi-Oh?
Yes, it's always fake booster packs in Yu-Gi-Oh!. This is also the reason why in america the cards don't look like real cards, because of some advertising to kids law, but in the jp dub they actually slapped the original card texture on a 3D model.
thankyou for mentioning all this. this is something the video creator should've researched. it is literally illegal to have it blatantly advertise the real life product in the way he is wishing.
As long as they (The creators of those shows) don't show an actual cardgame shop-chain its fine. Card-shops do exist in real live and they aren't considered illegal in any way. It would only become a problem the moment they are shown to sell TCG products because of advertisement laws, which is why you never saw Yugis Grandpa in YGO or Shinn in Cardfight Vanguard ever selling packs beyond maybe the first season (Because it was highly likely the makers of this animes didn't know about these laws at that time propably.)
Would it be possible for a TCG anime that was aimed at a older audience?
Card game anime = Shonen tournament fighter
Dream card game anime = sports anime
Agreed. I dream of a Girls Und Panzer version of YGO.
I almost agree with you, but a real card game anime withou a psychological aproach (like the ones you see in Akagi ir Hikaru no Go) would still miss something.
If a dream card game anime = Sports anime. Its still need to be a real or serius Sports anime. Not something like Captain Tsubasa (1st version) and they Tiger kicks and so on.
Real life card game = Actual Sports game. No wonder why shounen anime does not work for TCG shows. The writers seem to forget that games = sports = TCG = NOT PUTTING YOUR HEART IN YOUR CARDS.
Well, I am very bad at building decks, so I put my heart in my cards and it kind of work so... To be serious, this is more or less what makes TCG attractive for me, the "totem" part of the thing. I don't care of having astonishing effective cards, I want to have a consistent deck regarding art style and in-game storyline...
But Geoff, what does pot of greed do?
Planeup1 This meme is bad and outdated and you need to stop this.
gets banned
Raps kids with its teeth but konami censored it but it wasn't enough so it got banned
It lets you draw 2 card from your opponent's deck
I don't know, because I only watched the anime.
*rimshot*
When I used to play YuGiOh TCG, I used to play decks that I thought had a fun concept rather than how competitive the deck was.
I played Lunalights because I liked the synergy of the cards, Deskbots because I liked the thought of these tiny little mechs taking down monolithic beasts and deities was funny. And SPYRALS because I like James Bond and Metal Gear
I mean, literally all of those were meta decks though... xD
Not judging, playing meta is fine, it's just weird that you say you played stuff for reasons other than them being meta, but then arguably all the ones you mention were top tier meta cheese.
@@AniGaAGmaybe at the time, tho they have been powercrept
Basically these shows don't realize that their real target audience is a bunch of twenty-something basement dwellers
Pleb Weeb more like that they don't realize their target audience love playing tcg
Can I get a wish?
Justin Ward back away slowly
you got a free soul to spare?
I'm a Twenty-Something yet I stopped playing ever since I started High School and also stopped playing Pokemon Cards. The shows are still fun & decent to watch at least the classic seasons. Except for the Pokemon anime series I think it's more stupid than Yu-Gi-Oh (Classic to 5Ds) in my opinion.
0:22
When you just know yogioh and never knew that there are more card game anime.
And you really dont care
HalbeProtionGG same
HalbeProtionGG played yugioh for xxx amount of years never watch the anime
I literally thought only 2 card game anime existed in the world, it should be 3 but bakugan never really counted as a card game for me.
Its been a few years and its not really an anime but doesn't the show Chaotic do what Geoff was talking about?
The players are always changing their decks to counter different players, going on quests to get that one rare card they need to complete their strategy. Yeah it does do the "we need to save the Alien Planet with a children's card game!" thing but I'm pretty sure it actually makes sense why they need to do it that way. The game is a way for the characters to scout out opponents for the creatures they ally with.
Either way I miss that game.
Cameron Grow I was going to say this very thing. They spend lots of time agonizing over strategies and playing practice matches.
Cameron Grow
agree with everything minus the part about saving the planet.
in actuality, the planet saves itself by acting out the lore of the cards, with the kids either, getting caught in it, or helping, without the cards, mind you
Oh my godzilla Chaotic I miss that show...
Wow. I completely forgot about that. Now that you mention it, it was actually very grounded(in comparison to others in the genre).
Draft tournaments are hilarious, sometimes a card dismissed otherwise as 'bad' can become the most powerful strategy in a tournament simply because everyone chose a strategy vulnerable to it while thinking about a meta that doesn't apply. For example, one tournament I was in the winner hoarded an artifact bomb and stalled. And that outcompeted the control, discard, draw, rush, and ramp decks.
I was never so amused to lose with my opponent at 1hp.
And in draft an otherwise 'useless' monster with no special abilities can be used to just beat down an opponent who planned for everything else.
The point is Cubes and Drafts are fun, you could do a lot showing players trying to make the best deck with whatever they have and this is when trading is the most common (because money exchange in the tournament is illegal, but an agreed upon trade could be allowed, depending on the rules).
I was waiting to see if you would mention Vanguard! This one also felt different to me, it was more real and we could see the game working through the rules we heard the characters explaining each other OFF GAME. Damn, I even remember that sometimes a card was placed and I could understand the danger it represented for the adversary's strategy AT THE VERY MOMENT, without the need to wait for a player's explanation. It was an anime I really enjoyed to watch for the game itself and loved that the rules and all the logic was so clear. But had to drop the anime when it began to change, unfortunately.
Always loved card games (still do) and I'm pretty sure someday I'll live in a city that has places to buy cards and people to play with, until then, gotta keep trying Duel Links, Magic online, and Faeria too. I only actually played Yu-Gi-OH a few times in my childhood before the school principal start to take the kids' cards, saying it was "evil! a game of the devil". Yep.
It makes happy to hear people acknowledge that Cardfight Vanguard actually gets its own rules right.
But sigh, kamui in the reboot can’t even play his deck properly.
NORMIES REEE I dont think anyone can play novas properly. Not until the new set at least XD
I want to watch vanguard but I don't know anything about this game so it's hard to understand. Is there any way I can understand it better?
Nikhil Sharma the anime actually explains everything you need to know; both the original series and the reboot. So you can jump right in, no homework required
I would love if the protagonists of a card game anime called how out how stupid the idea of the fate of the world is.
You'd love yugioh abridged.
If you haven't watched it you really should
"WHO CARES IF HE IS RICH? WHO CARES IF HE IS BETTER THAN ME? I CAN PLAY CARD GAME, AND THAT IS WHAT IS THIS WORLD ALL ABOUT ANYWAY!" - Chazz yugioh gx
What's more grounded than fighting in 4 dimensions simultaneously as a being divided into 4 beings fuses with 4 cards to become a god and the only way to defeat him is to play 4 spell cards to destroy him while a child who is infused with the being of 4 different souls looks for those 4 cards while people play card games on motorcycles, hop onto virtual platforms, and *implement* mass into holograms while using a children's card game to determine the fate of the world?
Man.......i wish Arc-V was good, or at least had kept some of its quality in the later arcs
I felt that Arc-V started cringy, got good during the first arc, stayed good with some hiccups in the Synchro Dimension, then fell apart by the last third (with 5D's bias being the least of its problems).
Z-arc was broken as fuk! Arc V would have been perfect if the ending wasn't rushed and the Synchro arc was shorter.
Arc-V is good, its those final 15 or so episodes that really start getting fucky.
Arc-V already went downhill during the Synchro arc.
Mother's Basement, if you read the manga Wizard's Soul, it does all this stuff you mention to a tee. There's a real cheesy romance subplot, but the element of sideboarding and mind games is on full display.
I just picked it up and it looks promising, gonna binge it atw to the end. Thanks for the recommendation.
Honestly I've been trying to lay out the general outline for a CCG focused show for a while and a lot of what I've been grappling with was better articulated here.
1. The core lesson is that victory is achieved through management of risk. Good luck wins sometimes, good preparation and strategy wins consistently.
2. 'Powerful card' is not defined by raw numbers, but by the combination of effects. Blue eyes white dragon is a weak card compared to Monster Reborn or Pot of Greed.
3. Metagame comes in two flavors: Tourney meta-game about the state of the game at the time and personal meta-game about the people you play against/with. Someone with a milk-toast deck filled with counter play options and good at the latter can be a compelling character and brutal challenge without being tournament competitive.
4. Your drama comes from characters, not the situation in the world. (95% of the time) We care about the winner because of how it effects the character, not the setting.
5. You only get to have a 'world ending' threat once in your series. You need to use that well.
Thus the outline looks akin to this:
Protagonist is pulled into the CCG through primary friend, thus establishing they're as new to this as the intended audience and letting them be exposited to. An ideal protagonist is someone with limited social skills but experience with strategy and knowledge of statistics/probability.
The initial 'enemy' is a credit card warrior, who relies on superior funding to secure valuable (and powerful) cards, along with net-decking to fill in for proper deck-building. The first major drama is the protagonist deciding to prove that this enemy knows nothing about the game by building a deck to crush theirs without using expensive or rare cards.
Through a combination of hard counters, the lack of the enemies deck having real cohesion and a workable win condition, protagonist takes a cheap (think $20-60) deck and consistently defeats a deck worth hundreds of dollars. It's also worthless against virtually any other deck, as mentioned by protagonist to their friend, because of how specialized it is. However, the core counter-play cards in it show up a lot later because the hodgepodge nature of the enemy deck required counters to a lot of things.
This antagonist will show up later twice, once with an expensive but personalized deck, and finally with a fully refined deck (again reliant on expensive rare cards) that uses a win condition combo no one else has discovered, because it relies on cards that are both ludicrously expensive and considered trash. This completes their character arc when protagonist admits to the brilliance of this new deck type.
From here you can fill space as needed until we hit the one 'world ending threat' in the series. A new set of card's releases and is utterly degenerate, filled with power creep and 'strictly better' cards. Protagonist's friend laments this and claims that the game is going to die because the tournament will show that older cards can't compete. Protagonist, now invested in the game, spends a couple of episodes going back to every opponent faced over the show's run, trying to find something new and powerful enough to compete made out of older cards. The Protagonist finds one, but it's not shown directly to the audience yet. Instead we hear protagonists old enemies explaining how their decks would try to counter it, or exclaiming that this combo is disgustingly broken.
Said combo needs to be on the level of Channel Fireball, if possible. Something equally degenerate but built from older cards. Protagonist takes a different deck built around countering the meta to everything up to the big tournament. Then breaks out this Channel/Fireball deck only for the national/world level event, where the press will spread news of it. The big lesson being taught is that the game has always had the potential to be broken, and a few more mistakes won't destroy it. Crisis averted, Protagonist retires the deck after its key cards are banned/restricted sufficiently. End of series. (or at least season)
Thoughts?
Not... bad actually. I'd watch this.
Two thoughts. First is, I wouldn't necessarily disallow supernatural elements, depending on what form such an outline would eventually take. Not the kind where the protag is "playing for his life" every other episode, but something sort of like what Vanguard did, where it shows there could, and eventually shows there is, more to the card game than the paper it's printed on. Second, it seems to me there's a bit of a plot hole in your paragraph about the antagonist showing up later. Namely, I don't think a card could exist even in fiction that is BOTH ludicrously expensive and considered trash. If a card's considered trash, it's not gonna be expensive.
@@Lheticus Kinda like in Mobas how every match-up (however far fetched) could happen but few if any carry real weight to them, merely being sparing matches between beings of equal stature, or in this case armies of equal skill.
@@Lheticus Collector value, That's how a Card is Trash yet can be hella expensive.
@@lupvirga Like Black Lotus, it is an alright card, but it isn't worth $1,200 for a reprint of it, or $12,000 for a signed first edition on card ability alone.
Awesome Video MB, glad to hear your a fan of card game animes!
But are they on motorcycles?
CARD GAMES ON ok i can't get myself to do this sorry nevermind
@@NewNub I'll do it for you
@@NewNub CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES
It's a manga, not an anime, but i still recommend it, Wizards soul. Bread card game manga.
Hell yes, I love that the main character plays fucking Blue and maybe black she has some graveyard tricks (MTG reference)
You outspeeded me, great manga, great understanding of tcg in general.
Yeah that manga was great much more grounded than most other tcg anime/manga
Shoujo card game manga is AWESOME
I was just about to search for this card-manga i once found, just to tell others about it :D Aaaaaand, there you go
I agree wholeheartedly with this video. A down-to-Earth anime about "real kids and teens" growing up, living through adolescence and school life, changing and developing, relatable personal and interpersonal drama - all seen through a focus on a TCG, with respect to the details of the game (like you said, deck building, testing each other, tourneys, card shops). Now that would be sweet and, IMO, it would be successful even if it is only about a card game de jure but de facto more focused on the characters.
Problem is, those shows are MUCH harder to write. Typical anime schlock is much, much easier.
Yugioh GX is the closest to that idea that I know of.
there was actually a mtg slice of life manga around this same premise. its called "destroy all humans, they can't be regenerated" and is almost an mtg period piece taking place right at the turn of the century, when magic was a new game, and while i think its not exactly a good slice of life, the way the characters use actual decks grounded in what was historically used at the time makes me feel like im watching ancient forgotten battle techniques in action, as someone who was never there during that time
@@amienabled6665 About as close as a McDonald's burger is to a 5-star meal. 😄
@@starduststriker8792 Interesting, thanks for sharing. Was that an official work of some kind?
@@drago939393 i believe it is official, yeah, tho its pretty obscure
9:24 uh... didnt weevil sneak parasite paracide into joeys deck at one point to take advantage of several cards that block opposing insect monsters?
Zeromega159 He did... I think. I don't exactly remember, but I'm pretty sure he did.
also, speaking of a series that includes side deck shenanigans, the manga wizards soul which from what i know, uses a parody of magic: the gathering in its story, has a main character and side characters who try to one up their opponents by analyzing their decks and planning accordingly in best of 3 matches
Lily Tamajji He does. In Battle City he has some kid put it into his deck.
yeah but weevil did it illegally and cause the show made it look like cheating the strategy was discounted also because weevil still loss it lost all impact to the viewer hence why you were the only one to remember this
Zeromega159
Battle City also confirms that Yugi runs Hybrid Dark Magician whole Arkana runs pure Dark Magician. Man only lost cause he didn't read Dark Magician Girl's effect. Man only looked at its initial ATK. A card he has seen never.
That feeling when one of your key cards gets banned because of some OP new archetype...
good thing i'm playing blue-eyes... :D
RIP Ancient Fairy Dragon... A key card to my Blue-Eyes deck...
Fuckin' Trickstars...
whats worse is a key card you need soaring in price becuase of an OP archetype... aka red layer in monarchs.
BUT WHAT DOES POT OF GREED DO?!?!
Jumble Junket totally love that reference
Jumble Junket it lets you............... oh, oh
I see, issa joke
"I activate my trap card"
" I activate you're mother"
Yu-Gi-Oh also did these kinds of things occasionally though. Some examples that come to mind are bastion spending a whole night building a full counter on Judai's main strategies only for Judai to win by using a new combo bastion didn't know about or basically most of the 5ds duels especially the tournament ones. Team 5ds never actually used plot armor to draw the right card at the right moment. They just built their decks in a way that they can work around their combos regardless of what they draw
Yeah not to mention that the card game school he mentioned was literally the first season of GX and Judai HAD actual strategies
Occasionally ironmaster64.
Have you ever watched 5Ds? They constantly pulled new cards out of the ass. Yusei introduces a new BS situational trap card in every duel he has and gets magic cards from the future (Shooting Star Dragon).
I wish there was a "Scrambling to get a playset of Ash Blossom for $200" story arc
Yugioh was a Manga first and foremost made by Kazuki Takahashi, and it was originally made to be an entertaining shonen, not a popular juggernaut TCG. In the Manga it was about playing *games*, all sorts of them. The cardgame was an afterthought and eventually the entire series became centered around it. While the Anime is still centered around the TCG, it still has the spirit of the original manga for sure. If anything, yugioh was a unique situation, and other CardGame anime have attempted to copy yugioh's path to success. The main difference being that they made cards first, and decided to make an anime as an afterthought.
lutin grognon I agree! Although I liked the s1 and later stuff though lol
Season 0 Atem was a badass! He dished out penalty games like they were candies.
I don't even know what are the flaws in YGO series and such to even make a video about why they supossely don't work, even somone who plays would get invested in how the duels work by simply following track of the effects and moves. And is not even an oppinion more like kind of a fact. It's like stating in a video why Math classes don't work in schools or for life just cause you're bad at them
Vector literly does what you said to yuma in yugioh zexal. He pretends to be his friend and gave him a bunch of cards that he knew hed use b4 dueling him and then used a trap that banished them plus 5 extra cards from his deck to beat him b4 they even could have a fair match
Grimjo16 Not to mention flip turner gave him baby yiragon before dueling yuma for thr sole reason of using ultra c to take control of yumas monsters since ultra c can only be activated while your oponent controls baby tiragon.
Legit, just make card game anime more like sports anime and they'd be amazing. The first two seasons of Vanguard and the first part of Link Joker were so engaging exactly because they did that.
you can be 100% sure what card you will get...
if your deck is made of 50 of one card
Croco-Sharks from Force of Will. Hell yeah.
30 Swamps, 30 Relentless Rats.
Too bad most tcgs have card maximums and deck minimums
anonymoos 69 true
29 swamps and no rats later...
After watching this video I would fucking love an anime about a kid watching like YU-GI-YO or some other unrealistic card game anime then going to a local card game shop. Getting his ass handed to him, but someone from the shop decides to help teach him how to actually play the game in a realistic way thus also explaining the core concepts of the game and others like it to the audience. After a few tournaments and booster buying the kid finally gets a good deck like halfway through the season or even at the end IDK, wins a few games but gets knocked out early because he got unlucky in a match and just didn't draw any cards in his deck that would let him win. Again teaching the audience that yeah sometimes the heart of the cards tell you to go fuck yourself.
NO BOOSTERS EXCEPT FOR SEALED AND DRAFT
Thats another thing even a lot of players get wrong.
Good players do not even fuck with that nonsense. They buy all their shit through 3rd party vendors.
Thrice Orphaned Dumpster Baby but that doesn't make for good advertising
Without third-party vendors, the economics of the actual cardgame that the core player bases partake in would not function. Not advertising third-party vendors is whats not good fucking advertising.
Especially because the big ones have direct deals with the card game companies. Most of the money they actually make comes through those vendors too. Without cardshops players wouldnt even have anywhere to play reliably.
I don't see why we can't have both epic fantasy WITH our realistic depictions of strategy. I must say a show totally ground in reality would only be slightly more appealing than what exists now. I don't feel I want to watch a show about TCG life, because I LIVE that life.
Kori260 I get what you are saying, the rules here and the rules there are not the same, because over there they are living beings, not just cards, and we don't want something that we already have, part of the appeal is that we can't do it.
That's what I was thinking. I want those fantasy worlds and the creatures in the cards actually coming to life, while the realistic and grounded tactics and mechanics of the real game itself are kept intact.
There is one problem in which it takes up a lot of time, if you take those bits out and shorten the length of duels, you can incoprorate strategy as the key part of the show. Its kidna annoying to have the "i have fun so im more likely to win"
One of my least favourite sections of yugioh is when yugi fires his mosnters at his opponent to reduce the opponents lp, and this is considered bad. They are just cards, the goal is to win.
There will be different banlists so to me it wouldnt hit too close to him
Kori260 I'm a filthy casual and I completely agree.
Mother's basement : Interesting ideas.
Card anime : summon iconic monster plaster it all over advertisements.
This is why I think No Game No Life had the best line about this: "In a game, there are only two moves: Progressing your plan, or responding to your opponent's"
What I love about Vanguard is how the anime shows that experience matters. Toshiki Kai (the rival/mentor character) is a very experienced player and while he centainly has an innate ability to play the game, the show goes out of its way to show that he wins many of his matches not by having the best deck (a lot of characters have almost all the exact cards he does) or by playing well but by knowing how the game works in general and deducing his opponent's strategy and way of playing within the first few turns. He knows what all the cards do and knows what decks are meta. In a particular episode, he realizes his opponents win condition after the fourth turn (and for those who don't play vanguard, the fourth turn is really early).
I remember Bakugan. It really fell flat on its face towards the backend of New Vestroia into Gundalian Invaders.
I never watched it, but a friend of mine got a Bakugan monster ball toy from Burger King and we used to fling it at each other and yell "Bakugan!" in a sort of surprise dodge ball type game, where you failed if it didn't pop open upon impact. We had to stop when a bong almost got broken :( (this was college)
You know I think that really, the best way to write a good card game anime would be for a real player to play against other real players and every person would have a theme to their deck, something common for having cards combo, and then the people would actually play the game for a while until they get a real thrilling and good match, in which case they would base the episode off of that game, draw for draw, play for play, being fully authentic yet still being able to mix up and have fun with it. Most card games already have a system of theme if your deck with keywords that would make for good character design, don’t get why no show has done this
"Unless you're Gundam Build Fighters then you're literally perfect."
Damn straight.
Strangely enough the change in the vanguard anime as mirrored in the card game. As the anime became more stupid, the card game became confusing and less fun to play.
Vanguard is like one of the most straight forward games I've played. What part even confuses you? lol
I think Stride is a pretty solid mechanic but the problem is that it's the entire game now. Limit break is almost never seen and legion is rare but, to be fair, not unheard of. At least in fairly casual play.
Really, Stride just helps Vanguard imo. Before that it was just a pure luck game. You don't get your 2's or 3's, you insta-lose. You pull a sweet crit, you win. Now there's actually a bit more skill involved.
Lol the game has moved to where if you're not striding, you're falling behind to your opponent. Decks have powercreeped out old mechanics, meaning the newer stuff has more consistent and/or better versions of previous ideas.
Break rides broke the game
I didn't realize there was an entire genre of these things. What percentage are just Yu-gi-oh ripoffs?
Timothy McLean most of them
Some are even more insane
All of them lul
themegadude900 Wixoss is not a Yugioh ripoff.
@temy obviously, because Yugioh was the first ever TCG, and thus all other TCG's in existence are just ripoffs.
"In real tournaments players don't just play one match, they do Best of Three.
WOTC should have heeded this advice for the first million dollar invitational..
The main reason card game anime is not about the card game is the simple fact that then the anime creators has to understand things like card advantage, tempo, resource management, win conditions and counter plays, understand meta balances, etc In order for the deck creation, and game play to be interesting and exciting. And even if the creators understand that, they have to convey it in a way that lets the average newbie understand the excitement of side boarding or maximising outs or whatever. That is why watching card games has more in common with watching sports. If you don’t know the rules or what is easy and what is hard or what the goal of each participant is, then it isn’t very engaging.
4:55 "STOP! STOP! HE'S ALREADY DEAD!"
TheFlerffyBurr never it must go on
Image that being in an anime I:)
There's no kill like massive comically unnecessary overkill.
DORO! MONSTA CARDO! DORO, MONSTA CARDO! DORO,MONSTA CARDO! DORO,MONSTA CARDOO!
Actually, it would be pretty goddamn fun to see anime characters use ACTUAL TACTICS in these anime, yeah.
they do you use tactics...just really shitty ones
In Yu-Gi-Oh Zexal, when Shark was in a tournament, when he found out his opponent would be playing mirror force, he was banned for "spying on his opponent". So the anime pushes that this form of "cheating" isn't allowed in their economy.
Also Mirror Force is a staple card.