I come from a country where rugby is our national sport, we eat breath and sleep rugby 12 months 24/7. I have noticed a great interest and improvement in Rugby within the US. I feel in years to come it will be a force to be reckoned with and personally I look forward to the day where USA plays a international contact sport with the rest of the world.
@BodybuildinginTX Where are you going to college? What sports have you played and what position? Those are good places to start to get your questions answered.
I mean Rugby like this, not as offense but 7's is completely different than rugby in rules tactics and methods. And US won the 7's in the Olympics last in 1924, it hasn't been a Olympic sport since then. This is when US started to change the rules on Rugby Legue to create what they now call football
@CollegeRugbyUSA Don't worry about your technique. It's fine. Everyone uses this over here in England. kissmyrrs obviously is an armchair fan. Keep up the good work!
@liamobrien06 What about basketball, ice hockey, baseball, track & field, skiing, speed skating, lacrosse, wrestling, swimming, boxing, rowing, tennis, etc etc? These are all the sports that the USA is, more often than not, dominant in. Not because Americans are better than everyone else, but because we have 350 million people and are a 1st world country with an amazing sports infrastructure. Americans are coming for the rugby world. run and hide
16.3 RUCKING (a) Players in a ruck must endeavour to stay on their feet. Sanction: Penalty kick (b) A player must not intentionally fall or kneel in a ruck. This is dangerous play. Sanction: Penalty kick
Interesting discussion about the laws and these techniques. I have a quick comment/question: From what I've seen of the "saddle roll" (technique #2), isn't the intention for it to be used on the first arriving player who has just picked up the ball (in the video he doesn't have possession) in order to expose the ball to your teammate? And if so, it would now be a tackle and not a ruck, correct? Then, would the question now be whether or not it is a safe tackle?
@BodybuildinginTX google "texas am rugby". google finds all. Typically football lineman translate to forwards in rugby (Props and 2nd rows specifically). If you have speed and size, maybe you played running back or linebacker, you might find yourself at flanker,8man, or centers. If you can fly you might be at wing. Typically fullback, flyhalf, and scrumhalf are played by guys who have played in high school and have experience, but if you pick it up quick you could find it there.
@CollegeRugbyUSA I may not have been on the end of this technique, but as a referee I would never allow it. This video has caused quite a stir on the Rugby Referees forum (which has high level and international referees among its members). Some of them are surprised that this appears to be sanctioned by USAR. Some of the have even written to USAR for clarification. The other objection I have is #3; the clean-out player is entering the tackle/ruck with their head below their hips. Not allowed!
#2 was really really REALLY dangerous! You don’t even have to know much about rugby to see that! That was very dangerous, you can choke or strangle or even break that man’s neck tackling him like that. The rest of the video was alright.
No 2 (the saddle roll) is very dangerous. You're teaching players to tightly grasp their opponent just below their suprasternal notch (which is only a few cm from the junction of their thoracic spine and their cervical spine) and then rotate their upper body with a forceful twisting motion. Any martial arts exponenent will tell you that this is a great way to break somebody's neck, especially if the jackler's feet or lower legs are trapped in the ruck, and the clean out man doesn't realise it.
i dont need to do all of the pissing about with the 2nd drill all ya have to do it breke there contrated with the ball simply remove his hands from the ball with a scissors actoin on the wrist and if the player doent move away as soon as he lost contacted with the ball you will win the pentely sorry for the bad english as iam welsh lol hope that help ur starters out in rugby peace out
@CollegeRugbyUSA Oh I'm sorry but there IS such a thing as collapsing a ruck, and it is illegal! LAW 16.3 RUCKING (c) A player must not intentionally collapse a ruck. This is dangerous play. Sanction: Penalty kick
@CollegeRugbyUSA --"Your critique of 3 is short-sighted. when a defender in the ruck is that low what else can you do?"--. Firstly, the player lying on top if the tackled player is in breach of Law 15.4 (b) if he is the tackler, or 15.6 (h) if he's not. Let the referee deal with this. The arriving player may remove the tackler by picking him up or dragging him away. Players should NOT be encouraged to go off their feet. There is a reason why having head below hips isn't allowed, its dangerous.
Times move on as do Law changes and more information on the effects of contact. This video is of its time and is very good in terms of showing skills around the ruck. However there are some concerns now in 2021. The third skill shows shoulder contact to the head. A definite NONO in 2021. A sending off offence. Some good explanations but this video should be withdrawn as parts are very dated.
not only is No2 VERY dangerous, it is also illegal. The players MUST try to remain on their feet during a ruck , and must NOT intentionally fall/kneel in a ruck (dangerous play). Therefore, it is a penalty kick. You can kill someone doing that too!!
haha you've clearly never played rugby. you need leverage to move a body. pushing with your arms on a guy in a low stance would apply downward pressure and pretty much just make him sturdier and harder to move.
I come from a country where rugby is our national sport, we eat breath and sleep rugby 12 months 24/7. I have noticed a great interest and improvement in Rugby within the US. I feel in years to come it will be a force to be reckoned with and personally I look forward to the day where USA plays a international contact sport with the rest of the world.
hakaboy6924 hay shut up ya daft smug cut ya,
@BodybuildinginTX Where are you going to college? What sports have you played and what position? Those are good places to start to get your questions answered.
I mean Rugby like this, not as offense but 7's is completely different than rugby in rules tactics and methods. And US won the 7's in the Olympics last in 1924, it hasn't been a Olympic sport since then. This is when US started to change the rules on Rugby Legue to create what they now call football
@CollegeRugbyUSA Don't worry about your technique. It's fine. Everyone uses this over here in England. kissmyrrs obviously is an armchair fan. Keep up the good work!
Because this American knows what he's talking about, is why!
@liamobrien06 What about basketball, ice hockey, baseball, track & field, skiing, speed skating, lacrosse, wrestling, swimming, boxing, rowing, tennis, etc etc? These are all the sports that the USA is, more often than not, dominant in. Not because Americans are better than everyone else, but because we have 350 million people and are a 1st world country with an amazing sports infrastructure. Americans are coming for the rugby world. run and hide
GREAT VIDEO!
I know it was great, I went to a few of their games here in New Zealand
16.3 RUCKING
(a) Players in a ruck must endeavour to stay on their feet.
Sanction: Penalty kick
(b) A player must not intentionally fall or kneel in a ruck. This is dangerous play.
Sanction: Penalty kick
Interesting discussion about the laws and these techniques. I have a quick comment/question:
From what I've seen of the "saddle roll" (technique #2), isn't the intention for it to be used on the first arriving player who has just picked up the ball (in the video he doesn't have possession) in order to expose the ball to your teammate? And if so, it would now be a tackle and not a ruck, correct? Then, would the question now be whether or not it is a safe tackle?
@BodybuildinginTX google "texas am rugby". google finds all. Typically football lineman translate to forwards in rugby (Props and 2nd rows specifically). If you have speed and size, maybe you played running back or linebacker, you might find yourself at flanker,8man, or centers. If you can fly you might be at wing. Typically fullback, flyhalf, and scrumhalf are played by guys who have played in high school and have experience, but if you pick it up quick you could find it there.
@CollegeRugbyUSA I may not have been on the end of this technique, but as a referee I would never allow it. This video has caused quite a stir on the Rugby Referees forum (which has high level and international referees among its members). Some of them are surprised that this appears to be sanctioned by USAR. Some of the have even written to USAR for clarification. The other objection I have is #3; the clean-out player is entering the tackle/ruck with their head below their hips. Not allowed!
so what if both teams are contesting?
I usually put my shoulder on my teammate's waist and push him through the gate.
is that right?
I was told the second technique is illegal
Is this legal for High School Rugby in America? Such as in the Midwestern Heart of America Rugby?
#2 was really really REALLY dangerous! You don’t even have to know much about rugby to see that! That was very dangerous, you can choke or strangle or even break that man’s neck tackling him like that. The rest of the video was alright.
That's a perfectly fine maneuver you just can't neck roll. Unless your the all blacks against David Pocock xD
Excellent
It should be legal in all forms of the game as long as your coming in from behind the back foot and staying on your feet
USA was in the rugby world cup last fall...
No 2 (the saddle roll) is very dangerous. You're teaching players to tightly grasp their opponent just below their suprasternal notch (which is only a few cm from the junction of their thoracic spine and their cervical spine) and then rotate their upper body with a forceful twisting motion. Any martial arts exponenent will tell you that this is a great way to break somebody's neck, especially if the jackler's feet or lower legs are trapped in the ruck, and the clean out man doesn't realise it.
i dont need to do all of the pissing about with the 2nd drill all ya have to do it breke there contrated with the ball simply remove his hands from the ball with a scissors actoin on the wrist and if the player doent move away as soon as he lost contacted with the ball you will win the pentely sorry for the bad english as iam welsh lol hope that help ur starters out in rugby peace out
no ruggby in ussa
@CollegeRugbyUSA Oh I'm sorry but there IS such a thing as collapsing a ruck, and it is illegal!
LAW 16.3 RUCKING
(c) A player must not intentionally collapse a ruck. This is dangerous play.
Sanction: Penalty kick
Coaching!
all forms of rugby follow the same set of rules
new rules..
@CollegeRugbyUSA --"Your critique of 3 is short-sighted. when a defender in the ruck is that low what else can you do?"--. Firstly, the player lying on top if the tackled player is in breach of Law 15.4 (b) if he is the tackler, or 15.6 (h) if he's not. Let the referee deal with this. The arriving player may remove the tackler by picking him up or dragging him away. Players should NOT be encouraged to go off their feet. There is a reason why having head below hips isn't allowed, its dangerous.
@kissmyrrs There both fine and see professionals doing it all the time so be quiet
Times move on as do Law changes and more information on the effects of contact. This video is of its time and is very good in terms of showing skills around the ruck. However there are some concerns now in 2021. The third skill shows shoulder contact to the head. A definite NONO in 2021. A sending off offence. Some good explanations but this video should be withdrawn as parts are very dated.
@kissmyrrs 2 isnt dangerous play,
not only is No2 VERY dangerous, it is also illegal. The players MUST try to remain on their feet during a ruck , and must NOT intentionally fall/kneel in a ruck (dangerous play). Therefore, it is a penalty kick.
You can kill someone doing that too!!
Nice. America is still bad, along with Canada (where i am from)
haha you've clearly never played rugby. you need leverage to move a body. pushing with your arms on a guy in a low stance would apply downward pressure and pretty much just make him sturdier and harder to move.
Last one was illegal, penalty from coming in from the side
This coaching is poor
just like your comment
Whats the point of this if you want to learn rugby go to new Zealand. My friend said they eat rugby balls xD
What's the point of spending a couple grand travelling to New Zealand, when you can just join a local club😂?
so false 10 years of rugby here and its all absaloute bs