I prefer and enjoy these types of reviews detailed, scrutinized by ear, electronic measurements, feel and sight. This man takes his time to compares different subs in different environments to give us the microscopic and nuances in detail. Which is just we need in the car audio when trying to decide on what to purchase and put in your vehicle when you've only had 2 to 3 brands of speakers that you've listened to. I thank you and appreciate your and detailed analysis.
Love this kind of video! Definitely would like to see more! Would love to see more of the 3 inch coil american bass models (Hawk, XFL, etc) as the differences are a bit confusing for me personally
Love the video and the time you put in for your personal review on all the subs. I was gonna mention the Skar evl but then you mentioned it 🤣🤣🤣 keep up the great videos 👍🏼👍🏼 I hear a lot about the Skar ddx. Maybe you should have thrown that in there
@@HiFiVector I respect your opinion. I've never seen or heard the ddx or evl. I had 2 sdr12s now I have 4 vxf12s but only only using 2. They are on a whole different level and different price range also
I recently brought a single sundown E-12 with a down4sound profab box gonna run it the with a down4sound jp8, wondering if I should gone all the way to 15" instead???
The hifionics subs looked like it was rattling more then the other 3 subs. been wanting to try the soundstreams subs but I liked the way the hifionics were moving
I feel like the transient frequency response of the soundstream would get better once broken played for a time and a enclosure more dialed in for.that specific model
I had 2 15” XR’s and they failed mechanically below 30hz. Was really disappointed cause they were sounding great. Been running a pair of the HiFonics 15’s for 6 months or so now. First on a Smart3Bass and now on a Smart5Bass. They get the fuck down for sure
Whats the size, tune and port area of those boxes? I owned the American Bass XR 15" and i loved it. It's the best overall sub I've owned. The quality is great at that price point and you are right about the tone of that sub. Very smooth. How much power were you pushing to them?
I have two XR 15s. If I am not mistaken when I modeled it in winisd the biggest box before possible unloading was.3.7cubes. AB recommends 2.75 to 3cuft for it so adding 20% to that is 3.6. I think the box and port area may have been slightly big for it. I think in a 3.5 cu ft box with 40 to 44sq in Port tuned to 33hz would yield better results. But love your videos man and your box building is great. Saw your work in a different video I would buy one from you if selling.
The DDX is a great sub for a great price but it is More of an SPL subwoofer with a high output rather than a sound quality woofer. He did a review on this sub in the 12-in version not too long ago. In this test it would have probably won in DB but lost in everything else
@@terryheidmann4961 yeah, I bought 4 of the 15s and built a box for them a year ago and still haven't put them in my navigator yet because I was thinking about getting 4 of the vxf 15s because I heard they were more musical, thanks for the response 👍
I have the same exact atrend subwoofer box. But I think that it can't handle the power of my mtx 9500 15-inch subwoofer. Any suggestions on a good subwoffer box?
@@HiFiVector alright koo. Thanks for the info. I'm trying to hit 150+Decimals.. my subwoofer is rated 1,000 watts rms and has a 4 inch voice coil.. do you think it's possible?
Does that audio liegon 12 sound decent at 32hz? Any loss or drop offs? I want to buy two of these but I noticed the frequency response is 35-500 so Idk if its a good buy.
I would like to know which sub gives you the best balance of SPL and sound quality put together I'm currently running 2 Skar DDXs 12s they hit hard but those are SPL subs?
What music do you listen too. What’s your budget, ported or sealed. How much power are you running? What’s more important sound quality or just volume?
All of these subs were way louder and more aggressive. The VCW 15 was a nice mellow subwoofer that had good sound quality. It did not have anywhere near the wow factor the SPL volume or in your chest power that any of these had. So, in a nutshell musically, it sounded good, but it was just way more of a mellow, less powerful subwoofer.
@@HiFiVector Ok, perfect. I was looking for an excellent sound quality subwoofer that sounds great on all types of music & not have to pay JL Audio prices. Looks like I will be looking for a VCW122 v2 over the new VCW122 v3 subwoofer instead. Thanks for your input.
3 15’s on a certified 3k it would do fine but not be at its full potential. For all these subs I think a true cert 1500 - 2000 per sub would be perfect, but that is to get full potential out of them. They will still do good on a true 1k each.
I was just not trying to pay out the butt for something higher wattage, but if that's what it takes may go with an NVX 5K. Thanks dude, love the content and especially this series.
Thank you HiFiVector for a great video audio tutorial commentary demo editing contribution to the bass community/ car audio enthusiast don't let the haters get to you they can spend their own hard earned dollars & make their own YT videos 🚙🔊💨🔊💨🔊💨🔊💨Bass on
Yep just wanted to test on moderate power to see what they all could do on aver power. But the Hifonics weren’t even breaking a sweat And like I said in the video could easil handle more power for sure. Love those subs
No subs that I am aware of are made in USA these days. Some may be assembled in USA but not even that many. There may be a couple that I don’t know about but pretty much everything is made over seas.
R3 is a killer sub for Sq for the price it’s a little tighter and slappier than the brw Hifonics So they’re a little different, so it’s hard to say as one person might like the more razor Sharp tightness of the R3, but the smoothness and accuracy of the brw is very nice that’s a hard one. But the BRW definitely moves more air. It’s kind of in an upper level category than the R3 because if it’s power handling , motor size etc…
@@HiFiVector what if I asked it like this........I have completely agreed with your opinion on every sub you reviewed that I either owned or heard in person to the point its scary how similar we hear bass so with that if I only listen to dubstep and electronica to make it even harder to answer its a big misconception that dubstep and electronic music is only for lows there is plenty of fast snappy bass in tons of electronic songs.... so with that if it was your car and you listened to dubstep and electronic music what would you still lean towards the Hifonics?
@@lazerlinec1770 I would prob stick with the R3 for its razor sharp accuracy in that scenario. The HIfonics sound amazing but for that music I think I would prefer the crisp sharpness of the R3's. :)
@@Xlongix any more details of that? I think I saw you commented on another video about China Future Sounds. I managed to get an Audio Legion 2500 when they still had them
@@evilinside5984 5hz won't blow a driver like that at all. It is a very, very slow cycle at 5hz. Most all drivers do not have a frequency response that low, and there would be minimal movement in the suspension. Going full-tilt on a driver at 30hz and up, is more like sticking a brick on a gas pedal.
I love your videos but when it comes to u describing how a sub sounds u lose me cuz u describe with so many different words in my eyes a sub either slaps hard n loud which is spl or u got your sound quality subs that play low n very musically n sound good thanks for this series tho
Great video. I can't believe the Hifonics won! Audio Legion should be out of business if they win this contest with the nonreputable competition at hand.
Nice to see someone LISTEN to the subs. Tired of the all out unloading of subs and destroyed them. Aka Parker. Also tune your 15" enclosures to 32 not 35. You want sound not spl
You tune to where it sounds best for your taste, every vehicle sounds different so tuning to 32 may not always give the best result but i know where you're coming from.
For $229 you get the American Bass Hawk 15 which blows all of these out of the water.... And for $200 you get the hawk 10 or 12 , both which blow all of these 15"s out of the water. Can't believe the weak AB you chose for this comparison.
@@terryheidmann4961 @Terry Heidmann not one sub in this video is an sq sub lol ... The Hawk sound better than the hifonics and tarantula in this video 100% ... The audio legion I just haven't owned but can only imagine it's nothing special in any sense
@@HiFiVector best deal all around by far don’t see why they can’t keep it going other than not making enuff money per unit rather making up for in volume
I prefer and enjoy these types of reviews detailed, scrutinized by ear, electronic measurements, feel and sight.
This man takes his time to compares different subs in different environments to give us the microscopic and nuances in detail.
Which is just we need in the car audio when trying to decide on what to purchase and put in your vehicle when you've only had 2 to 3 brands of speakers that you've listened to.
I thank you and appreciate your and detailed analysis.
Thanks so much!
Thank Vector! Love all your videos, keep up the good work.
Btw, what were the songs on all your test videos? Definitely gonna rock em!
Good video thanks for all the detailed information probably the best sub comparison on TH-cam
I appreciate that! Thank you!
Love this kind of video! Definitely would like to see more! Would love to see more of the 3 inch coil american bass models (Hawk, XFL, etc) as the differences are a bit confusing for me personally
I have n xfl only complaint is they put metal caps on the direct leads that’s wouldn’t melt like solder
Great Video review... lm loving the content your bringing on subs and amps👍🏿
Appreciate that thank you!
Awesome review loved all the data
I have the American bass 12 XR and love it.
I've got 4 on a smart 5 and lawd have mercy is all I can say
Excellent comparison..thanks
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for testing the audio legions, hard to find videos for them
Update: I bought the AL max’s and they sound great!
Love the video and the time you put in for your personal review on all the subs. I was gonna mention the Skar evl but then you mentioned it 🤣🤣🤣 keep up the great videos 👍🏼👍🏼 I hear a lot about the Skar ddx. Maybe you should have thrown that in there
Thanks so much! The Ddx is a great burp/ SPL sub but the SQ isn’t the best. The EVL would be better in my opinion for sure for SQ.
@@HiFiVector I respect your opinion. I've never seen or heard the ddx or evl. I had 2 sdr12s now I have 4 vxf12s but only only using 2. They are on a whole different level and different price range also
Love the skate VXF‘sI’m rolling with 2 15 VXF now. I’ll do a video on them soon Loving them though so far!
@@HiFiVector that's awesome. Can't wait to see that video
Really enjoyed
Thank you!
I have 2 of those hifonics but 8's and they are monsters
Yes they are SO good! I had all of them 8,10,12 and 15’s. Definitely killer subs!
Man I looked at your video again, and it's just awesome the amount of effort you put into your body of work. 👏 🫡
Thank you so much I really appreciate it!
I have the hifonics Brutus 15 n they r kicking ass on a 4k at 1 ohm
I recently brought a single sundown E-12 with a down4sound profab box gonna run it the with a down4sound jp8, wondering if I should gone all the way to 15" instead???
Great video
Thanks!
The hifionics subs looked like it was rattling more then the other 3 subs. been wanting to try the soundstreams subs but I liked the way the hifionics were moving
Get the Hifonics and thank me later ;)
@@HiFiVectordid you get the spl numbers with (1) 15? Cause in the video I saw 2(15) 1 in each separate box.
I feel like the transient frequency response of the soundstream would get better once broken played for a time and a enclosure more dialed in for.that specific model
Wonder how that audio legion would do in a sealed box sq wise?
I had 2 15” XR’s and they failed mechanically below 30hz. Was really disappointed cause they were sounding great. Been running a pair of the HiFonics 15’s for 6 months or so now. First on a Smart3Bass and now on a Smart5Bass. They get the fuck down for sure
Like the xr but I like the Hifonics brw better it just does everything well. Thanks for watching!
What model armada is that? And are you using the factory head unit? I have a 2011 and cant find a harness for a aftermarket head unit
Stick head unit it’s a 2013 platinum reserve
I have the Soundstream and i hate the plastic cover over the magnet.
It vibrates and its annoying.
It does bang on my Soundstream 3000.1 amp.
Whats the size, tune and port area of those boxes? I owned the American Bass XR 15" and i loved it. It's the best overall sub I've owned. The quality is great at that price point and you are right about the tone of that sub. Very smooth. How much power were you pushing to them?
2400 uncertified / 2900 dynamic per pair. 4 cuft, 48” port area, 34/35 hz per sub.
I have two XR 15s. If I am not mistaken when I modeled it in winisd the biggest box before possible unloading was.3.7cubes. AB recommends 2.75 to 3cuft for it so adding 20% to that is 3.6. I think the box and port area may have been slightly big for it. I think in a 3.5 cu ft box with 40 to 44sq in Port tuned to 33hz would yield better results. But love your videos man and your box building is great. Saw your work in a different video I would buy one from you if selling.
Would you consider reviewing some 18s ? Also what would be the best sub amp combo without upgrading your alternator
No I don’t think I’ll do any 18” sorry
I wish the skar ddx was in the line up at $169 maybe it can be a honorable mention sub on the next battle
I'd use my wish on something better than that.
The DDX is a great sub for a great price but it is More of an SPL subwoofer with a high output rather than a sound quality woofer. He did a review on this sub in the 12-in version not too long ago. In this test it would have probably won in DB but lost in everything else
@@csj9619 how much better can you get for $200 or less? I mean come on!
@@terryheidmann4961 yeah, I bought 4 of the 15s and built a box for them a year ago and still haven't put them in my navigator yet because I was thinking about getting 4 of the vxf 15s because I heard they were more musical, thanks for the response 👍
The SKar VXF are way more musical than the DDX. The VXF are very good subs. I am rolling with 2 VXF 15’s in my truck now review coming soon!
I have the same exact atrend subwoofer box. But I think that it can't handle the power of my mtx 9500 15-inch subwoofer. Any suggestions on a good subwoffer box?
I would check out the True spec boxes from GP audio. They are very good boxes. Next step up is a full custom box.
@@HiFiVector alright koo. Thanks for the info. I'm trying to hit 150+Decimals.. my subwoofer is rated 1,000 watts rms and has a 4 inch voice coil.. do you think it's possible?
150db on one 1000w sub will be difficult .
Does that audio liegon 12 sound decent at 32hz? Any loss or drop offs? I want to buy two of these but I noticed the frequency response is 35-500 so Idk if its a good buy.
They hit the lows well. Just give them the cuft they need.
Is the nvx vcw better? I want the v3 but idk if you tested that one. Maybe 2 10s or a single 12 or 15.
I would like to know which sub gives you the best balance of SPL and sound quality put together I'm currently running 2 Skar DDXs 12s they hit hard but those are SPL subs?
For 12” the American Bass XR or Hifonics BRW for 15” Hifonics BRW.
@@HiFiVector Ok, what about the American bass XFLs?
@@22mell01 XFL are great but not as good SQ
💯💯💯...
Which 10's would you recommend? Im currently looking for some nice 10's
What music do you listen too. What’s your budget, ported or sealed. How much power are you running? What’s more important sound quality or just volume?
What’s would you use for home subwoofer?
Probably xr or Hifonics
@@HiFiVector thanks bro! 😎👍
None. Stereo Integrity
How does the NVX - VCW 15" subwoofer compared to these subwoofers?
I haven’t tried the vcw V3 15 yet just the previous model vcw15.
@@HiFiVector I am talking about the v2 you have already. How does it compare to the other 15" subwoofers?
All of these subs were way louder and more aggressive. The VCW 15 was a nice mellow subwoofer that had good sound quality. It did not have anywhere near the wow factor the SPL volume or in your chest power that any of these had. So, in a nutshell musically, it sounded good, but it was just way more of a mellow, less powerful subwoofer.
@@HiFiVector Ok, perfect. I was looking for an excellent sound quality subwoofer that sounds great on all types of music & not have to pay JL Audio prices. Looks like I will be looking for a VCW122 v2 over the new VCW122 v3 subwoofer instead. Thanks for your input.
How's orion XTR 15?
Haven’t tried that sub yet.
👍👀👍
Do you think 🤔 a certified 3k would drive 3 hifonics efficiently?
3 15’s on a certified 3k it would do fine but not be at its full potential. For all these subs I think a true cert 1500 - 2000 per sub would be perfect, but that is to get full potential out of them. They will still do good on a true 1k each.
I was just not trying to pay out the butt for something higher wattage, but if that's what it takes may go with an NVX 5K. Thanks dude, love the content and especially this series.
My brother has one Hifonics 15 dual 2 wired to 1 ohm on a audiopipe aplce 1800 monoblock and it sounds so good. Definitely better than my Skar EVL 15.
I’m running 2 of the 15” HiFonics Brutus D2’s on a Smart5Bass and they’re absolutely eating
Thank you HiFiVector for a great video audio tutorial commentary demo editing contribution to the bass community/ car audio enthusiast don't let the haters get to you they can spend their own hard earned dollars & make their own YT videos 🚙🔊💨🔊💨🔊💨🔊💨Bass on
You're very welcome!thank you
Need more watts for those Hifonics subs. I love those Hifonics subwoofers for the price.
Yep just wanted to test on moderate power to see what they all could do on aver power. But the Hifonics weren’t even breaking a sweat And like I said in the video could easil handle more power for sure. Love those subs
What amp, what ohms, what voltage?
They were ran on 2400 uncertified/ 2900 watt dynamic amp. ( Hifonics brx2400.1D)
Audio legion cant take the power. Mine kept smelling. I retired it b4 it burned. But yeah great bass. you cant get them anymore its not loud.
So which of these Woofers are actually manufactured in 🇺🇸??
No subs that I am aware of are made in USA these days. Some may be assembled in USA but not even that many. There may be a couple that I don’t know about but pretty much everything is made over seas.
You know I got to ask.....Even better than the R3?
R3 is a killer sub for Sq for the price it’s a little tighter and slappier than the brw Hifonics
So they’re a little different, so it’s hard to say as one person might like the more razor Sharp tightness of the R3, but the smoothness and accuracy of the brw is very nice that’s a hard one. But the BRW definitely moves more air. It’s kind of in an upper level category than the R3 because if it’s power handling , motor size etc…
@@HiFiVector what if I asked it like this........I have completely agreed with your opinion on every sub you reviewed that I either owned or heard in person to the point its scary how similar we hear bass so with that if I only listen to dubstep and electronica to make it even harder to answer its a big misconception that dubstep and electronic music is only for lows there is plenty of fast snappy bass in tons of electronic songs.... so with that if it was your car and you listened to dubstep and electronic music what would you still lean towards the Hifonics?
@@lazerlinec1770 I would prob stick with the R3 for its razor sharp accuracy in that scenario. The HIfonics sound amazing but for that music I think I would prefer the crisp sharpness of the R3's. :)
All nice subs out of them though I'd go American Bass
The XR is a great sub for sure. I have the 12”s and they are one of my “ keeper” 12’s
HiFonics or Audio Legion for SQ build? I don't listen to rap or r & B.
Yes those 2 won in the 15” versions for overall SQ in my opinion.
Scar bought out audio legion
@@Xlongix any more details of that? I think I saw you commented on another video about China Future Sounds. I managed to get an Audio Legion 2500 when they still had them
Who's Scar? That would be interesting if Skar did that.
@@kennymccormick8295 they did
Which one has the cleanest bass?
Hifonics
@@HiFiVector i think it's not available here in the Philippines 😓😞
Now get a FU audio 750v2 if you want a real winner.
I’ll have to check those out!
2500 watts per pair?
5k on 2 15s would have been sweet
I actually tried 5 k on them after and it gained 2db so it was louder but not S much as you would think by double the power.
next make pioneer sub mis that sub
Should be starting at 5 hz with big subs like that
Can you hear 5hz?
Ummmmmmm no
@@derekscherban3952 exactly
@@derekscherban3952 why not?
@@evilinside5984 5hz won't blow a driver like that at all. It is a very, very slow cycle at 5hz. Most all drivers do not have a frequency response that low, and there would be minimal movement in the suspension. Going full-tilt on a driver at 30hz and up, is more like sticking a brick on a gas pedal.
I love your videos but when it comes to u describing how a sub sounds u lose me cuz u describe with so many different words in my eyes a sub either slaps hard n loud which is spl or u got your sound quality subs that play low n very musically n sound good thanks for this series tho
Thank you man. Yea just trying to describe n as mercy detail as I can because videos can’t really show everything.
Great video. I can't believe the Hifonics won! Audio Legion should be out of business if they win this contest with the nonreputable competition at hand.
You forgot soundqubed
Didn’t have one to test sorry
Nice to see someone LISTEN to the subs. Tired of the all out unloading of subs and destroyed them. Aka Parker. Also tune your 15" enclosures to 32 not 35. You want sound not spl
You tune to where it sounds best for your taste, every vehicle sounds different so tuning to 32 may not always give the best result but i know where you're coming from.
I had a set of t5 12s and kicker comp r sound better than those.
For $229 you get the American Bass Hawk 15 which blows all of these out of the water.... And for $200 you get the hawk 10 or 12 , both which blow all of these 15"s out of the water. Can't believe the weak AB you chose for this comparison.
The American base hawk series may be louder but they're definitely not a sound quality subwoofer
@@terryheidmann4961 @Terry Heidmann not one sub in this video is an sq sub lol ... The Hawk sound better than the hifonics and tarantula in this video 100% ... The audio legion I just haven't owned but can only imagine it's nothing special in any sense
This test / comparison video was for under $200 NOT $200 plus & for overall sound qualities NOT just SPL or bass.
Lmao, the AL Maximus is better all around and they were like $179
RIP AL
I am so bummed they are going away. I wish SKAR would keep Audio Legion going. They had some great products.
@@HiFiVector best deal all around by far don’t see why they can’t keep it going other than not making enuff money per unit rather making up for in volume
I agree must be something for them not to keep AL.
Great video
Thank you!