Nice work as always, thanks for sharing your time and info. Just replaced my 7900x3d with a 7800x3d. Both hit 6400 DDR5.. they are monsters in SC! 7800x3d OC'd and only pulls 52-53w.. good stuff.
First of all. Big thanks for the DDR5 Benches on the 13900k. 10% more performance is quite noticable and gives us a better perspective on what is best for Star Citizen right now. What I find very interesting is that DDR5 XMP 7800 CL36 is on par with DDR4 fine tuned. But fine tuned DDR5 is another step further. So for people who don't want to fine tune DDR5 XMP is the way to go atm. I'm really looking forward to the 7800x3d benches. To bad you don't have unlimited Budget to also go for the 7950x3d in comparison but well. Can't have everything. Atm I'm using a 4090 with 12900k on XMP DDR4 @ 3600. I'm still thinking when and to what I wanna upgrade to. You give valuable input here! Thanks a lot again. Have a nice day and keep going.
RAM was always important, the mainstream media like Linus Tech tips used poor testing methodologies, where the GPU was in full load, and came to the conclusion that RAM did not real matter to a certain point. Complete garbage testing and a lot of people believed it.
@@gamedaytoday1 you found the missing gold mine for content clearing that RAM issue up it needed attention. Guessing RAM and SSDs start to matter have more effect with increased resolution like 4K
These videos have been excellent. Been holding off my build just a bit longer. I know SC is quite core dependent than cache and I know they got some tech up their sleeves with the P cores and E cores so I'm curious what they have plan but looking forward in seeing your comparison with the 7800x3d and 13900k. May just stick 13900k since I do media and some content creation and productivity, can care less about power consumption. If I'm in the market to spend that kind of cash with a high gpu and cpu; power efficiency isn't in my books then...
This was super awesome to see! I don't play Star Citizen but man it is really cool to see how much extra performance those APEX mobos + Hynix A-Die are capable of over DDR4. I bought a cheapo Z790 Tomahawk DDR4 and run 4133c15. This video makes it very tempting to step up to an Apex! Lol. Such a great video!!!
These videos and tenpoundfortytwos vids helped me pick out the 5800x3d and it's KILLER. The game is so much smoother and it's much easier to just focus on the game and get lost in it. Tried to mess with my ram too but no matter what I can't reach the rated 3600mhz only 3200. Still the gains are huge. Orison used to be 12fps now it's 30. Lorville is in the 40s-60s. Stations are in the 100s and space is in the 120s. Pve bounty dogfights would drop drames to low 30s but now I can dogfight around the 50s.
@@gamedaytoday1 my mobo is a cheap b450, but it is rated for 3600. The ram as well. The xmp profile was unstable, turning xmp off and trying my own settings was also not stable. I tried increasing timings to allow a higher clock and increasing voltage from 1.3 to 1.4. I believe it was 18 22 22 22 24 and I increased each one by one over and over and it never lasted a full hour in SC
@@mrexpendable1232 b450 are good board i have x370 k7 i can get 3600 from gskill mems it may be your kits or try to Manuel tweak your rams with loser timing try to look at your infinity clock to it may be the problem
1080p? Weird.. I got around 35-40fps minimum (mostly above 40fps) at Orison with Ryzen 9 3900x, Gskill 3600mhz cl16 64GB, 5700xt GPU. With high preset and medium volumetric clouds.
Interesting numbers for sure. What kind of secondary timings are you using on the DDR5 sticks? You usually see some good gains tuning those, so just wondering! Also, do you take server fps into account when doing the runs? I saw a massive 15 fps difference in game fps between a server running at like 4 fps and one running at 15 fps in Orison.
Yes server variance was taken into consideration server FPS does not impact performance rather it is the number of entitles the server has is sending the client that impact performance, at a minimum I did 5 runs to make sure I got both good and bad servers so the average you see is taking into account both the good and bad server performance.
@@gamedaytoday1 What about the seconday timing? Also, you got a solid 13900K there! Theres a big variance between them when it comes to their memory controllers, some of them just refuse to work at like 7600 etc, even with an Apex.
Nice to hear someone call all of this what it is, "tuning", the way the industry throws around "over clocking" is pathetic, and shows exactly what they thing of their consumers. Thanks for the fresh air!
is there a way to see the settings or how you tuned the ram in the bios? so we could well literally copy it, IF we have the exact same parts, thank you :)
Ordered a 7800x3d as well, april 16`th komplett said they should send it :) i hope it`s a beast in SC! i got a b650 rog strix gaming mb, paired with 64 gb ddr5 cl30 6000mhz ram, i think this should work out pretty decent. I still need an upgrade for the 2080s for the 4k monitor, i have no ideas
Greate test! Soon we will get more perf from game, but even 7xXxx3d have cash but frenquse is 4.6 mid up to 5 so not big jump, also they burn if have power problem wuth 7950x3d/ So it will be the king for more 7/10% performance + 1% and 0/01% what more needed to be stable so smooth its not avg fps , its how often avg fps drops for 40fps down or more, even you have 60hz monitors.
My friend can you do hynix A die overclock settings for gigabyte z790 board i tried builzoid's hynix a die settings but his settings are not even passing occt stress for a minute .
Elite Zorz Video! You're dead serious! I'm trying to get my 64gb Kit on my 13900k down to 51ns latency and I just cant get it... I'm at at 6800 32-40-40-38 and hitting 55.9 ns but cant get any lower... Any ideas?
I picked up a 7800x3d and while the lows are the same as my previous 7900x the highs are soo much higher. Would love if you go into a bit more on how to tune the 7800x3d as I know they are a bit trickier to overclock.
Really??? Maybe I don't have my settings right or something because I'm getting slightly worse fps than my 7700x at 1080p, and the same fps at 1440p. I think maybe I should upgrade my graphics card instead (6750 XT)
Hey luv ur content ..just found ur channel and subbed right away ..and I want to ask can I able to tune "corsair 16gbx2 cl18 3600mhz kit " .. I'm using msi b550 tomahawk 5800x3d .. Thanks
Yes you can, don't think its an b-die but it can still achieve higher frequencies but you will be li9misted to your 5800X3D memory controller/Fabric clock see video here: th-cam.com/video/Q7aHq5lO9mM/w-d-xo.html
I've always wanted to get into overclocking and tuning computers but I am so scared of messing my PC up.. it would have to be a huge gain for me to do it I think
Great video, as always, keep it up! Two things I just want to add: 1) Based on your scores tuned DDR4 = tuned DDR5 7800 is SC, which is amazing for DDR4. And I see no reason to pay the premium of DDR5 because of this. 2) You should really test other games too, because you're doing a good job with the OC-ing and tuning. I mean CPU bound games only, not any game.
I had the 12900KS before the 13900k and it was 10% slower than the 13900K, tested using DDR4 at 4100MHZ same timings on both systems. For that price its a steal, but what is the RAM speed as that is the most important part in star citizen
To be clear to anyone who doesn't know, RAM speeds matter WAY less for AMD GPUs, and consequently you don't need to splurge for 7200 MHz memory for them. 6000 or so will do. Hell, a 7800X3D with even just 5600CL28 could beat a 13900KS with 8000MHz memory in most games. Depends in SC, and things in SC will almost certainly change in the Vulkan era. Just a PSA.
13900ks vs 7800x3d +- same. Only if you play stradagy yes, you need amd. In cs we see how match tuned memory timings and clock give for all fps datas and i seen most compare and i can say in fight 1 vs 1 on yela drops of x3d CPU are massive so mb you will have cheap ram and not tuned but if you have drops in dogfight bc low clock it`s realy bad news for SC. and i dont say of burning issues and tempertures.
The best way to get good performance in Star Citizen, is to avoid Star Citizen. It's a scam, and the only game in the history of games that has its own subreddit for refunds.
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Amazing video as always!! Really appreciate the fact that you broke down all the key terms. Very much looking forward to the 7800x3D review :)
Thanks, hope i get the 7800X3D soon, would love to know how it perform against the 7900X3D
Nice work as always, thanks for sharing your time and info. Just replaced my 7900x3d with a 7800x3d. Both hit 6400 DDR5.. they are monsters in SC! 7800x3d OC'd and only pulls 52-53w.. good stuff.
Congrats on hitting 6400Mhz! Great speeds
First of all. Big thanks for the DDR5 Benches on the 13900k. 10% more performance is quite noticable and gives us a better perspective on what is best for Star Citizen right now.
What I find very interesting is that DDR5 XMP 7800 CL36 is on par with DDR4 fine tuned. But fine tuned DDR5 is another step further. So for people who don't want to fine tune DDR5 XMP is the way to go atm.
I'm really looking forward to the 7800x3d benches. To bad you don't have unlimited Budget to also go for the 7950x3d in comparison but well. Can't have everything.
Atm I'm using a 4090 with 12900k on XMP DDR4 @ 3600. I'm still thinking when and to what I wanna upgrade to. You give valuable input here!
Thanks a lot again. Have a nice day and keep going.
thats crazy I remember years ago hearing RAM isnt that important for games but now Warzone and this game mad gains
RAM was always important, the mainstream media like Linus Tech tips used poor testing methodologies, where the GPU was in full load, and came to the conclusion that RAM did not real matter to a certain point. Complete garbage testing and a lot of people believed it.
@@gamedaytoday1 you found the missing gold mine for content clearing that RAM issue up it needed attention. Guessing RAM and SSDs start to matter have more effect with increased resolution like 4K
Super informative. Keep it up Game Day!
You need more subs! Amazingly detailed. Keep it up!
Thanks!
Nice finally someone tackled this one! I am really itching to try and tune my ddr5
DDR5 loves tuning but is much harder to tune than DDR4
@@gamedaytoday1 will need to get into it sooner than later. Thanks for the vid bud, really considerable tangible improvements by tuning it!
RAM educational video with most epic background music :)
Was looking for good background music then I realized that star citizen orchestra is quite epic
These videos have been excellent. Been holding off my build just a bit longer. I know SC is quite core dependent than cache and I know they got some tech up their sleeves with the P cores and E cores so I'm curious what they have plan but looking forward in seeing your comparison with the 7800x3d and 13900k. May just stick 13900k since I do media and some content creation and productivity, can care less about power consumption. If I'm in the market to spend that kind of cash with a high gpu and cpu; power efficiency isn't in my books then...
This was super awesome to see! I don't play Star Citizen but man it is really cool to see how much extra performance those APEX mobos + Hynix A-Die are capable of over DDR4. I bought a cheapo Z790 Tomahawk DDR4 and run 4133c15. This video makes it very tempting to step up to an Apex! Lol. Such a great video!!!
See this video on DDR4 too, pretty sure your 4133 at CL15 will close the gap. th-cam.com/video/CrSMcOC7vAo/w-d-xo.html
@Game Day Yeah, I've watched them all. I always look forward to your videos. Your testing and setups provide such great info. It's really nice to see.
Guess the Ryzen 7800X3D is the CPU to go for Star Citizen. No days of tuning required and its cheaper. Cheap RAM and cheap motherboard and its fine.
Will compare stock and tuned 7800x3d soon once it arrives
These videos and tenpoundfortytwos vids helped me pick out the 5800x3d and it's KILLER. The game is so much smoother and it's much easier to just focus on the game and get lost in it. Tried to mess with my ram too but no matter what I can't reach the rated 3600mhz only 3200. Still the gains are huge. Orison used to be 12fps now it's 30. Lorville is in the 40s-60s. Stations are in the 100s and space is in the 120s. Pve bounty dogfights would drop drames to low 30s but now I can dogfight around the 50s.
Arguably all ram can reach 3600Mhz, hard to know what you are doing wrong without knowing what settings you tried for 3600Mhz
@@gamedaytoday1 my mobo is a cheap b450, but it is rated for 3600. The ram as well. The xmp profile was unstable, turning xmp off and trying my own settings was also not stable. I tried increasing timings to allow a higher clock and increasing voltage from 1.3 to 1.4. I believe it was 18 22 22 22 24 and I increased each one by one over and over and it never lasted a full hour in SC
@@mrexpendable1232 b450 are good board i have x370 k7 i can get 3600 from gskill mems it may be your kits or try to Manuel tweak your rams with loser timing try to look at your infinity clock to it may be the problem
1080p? Weird.. I got around 35-40fps minimum (mostly above 40fps) at Orison with Ryzen 9 3900x, Gskill 3600mhz cl16 64GB, 5700xt GPU. With high preset and medium volumetric clouds.
Than k you good sir, final someone that do justice to a Tunned 8000+ DDR5 kit can do with a 13900K
Great video again! You are also getting the 7800X3D and make a video of it?
Yes
I am rocking a 7600X with DDR5 6000 CL30 with tuned secondary timings thanks to Buildzoid and it is a beast performer in games.
Interesting numbers for sure.
What kind of secondary timings are you using on the DDR5 sticks? You usually see some good gains tuning those, so just wondering!
Also, do you take server fps into account when doing the runs? I saw a massive 15 fps difference in game fps between a server running at like 4 fps and one running at 15 fps in Orison.
Yes server variance was taken into consideration server FPS does not impact performance rather it is the number of entitles the server has is sending the client that impact performance, at a minimum I did 5 runs to make sure I got both good and bad servers so the average you see is taking into account both the good and bad server performance.
@@gamedaytoday1 What about the seconday timing?
Also, you got a solid 13900K there! Theres a big variance between them when it comes to their memory controllers, some of them just refuse to work at like 7600 etc, even with an Apex.
Nice to hear someone call all of this what it is, "tuning", the way the industry throws around "over clocking" is pathetic, and shows exactly what they thing of their consumers.
Thanks for the fresh air!
is there a way to see the settings or how you tuned the ram in the bios? so we could well literally copy it, IF we have the exact same parts, thank you :)
Ordered a 7800x3d as well, april 16`th komplett said they should send it :) i hope it`s a beast in SC! i got a b650 rog strix gaming mb, paired with 64 gb ddr5 cl30 6000mhz ram, i think this should work out pretty decent. I still need an upgrade for the 2080s for the 4k monitor, i have no ideas
Great set up check out ram tuning for 3XD chips here: th-cam.com/video/YBPODMa5f8k/w-d-xo.html
Greate test! Soon we will get more perf from game, but even 7xXxx3d have cash but frenquse is 4.6 mid up to 5 so not big jump, also they burn if have power problem wuth 7950x3d/ So it will be the king for more 7/10% performance + 1% and 0/01% what more needed to be stable so smooth its not avg fps , its how often avg fps drops for 40fps down or more, even you have 60hz monitors.
My friend can you do hynix A die overclock settings for gigabyte z790 board i tried builzoid's hynix a die settings but his settings are not even passing occt stress for a minute .
Elite Zorz Video! You're dead serious! I'm trying to get my 64gb Kit on my 13900k down to 51ns latency and I just cant get it... I'm at at 6800 32-40-40-38 and hitting 55.9 ns but cant get any lower... Any ideas?
I picked up a 7800x3d and while the lows are the same as my previous 7900x the highs are soo much higher. Would love if you go into a bit more on how to tune the 7800x3d as I know they are a bit trickier to overclock.
Makes sense because the lows are held up by the ram speed not the Cache. Tune the Ram increase the lows and averages.
Really??? Maybe I don't have my settings right or something because I'm getting slightly worse fps than my 7700x at 1080p, and the same fps at 1440p. I think maybe I should upgrade my graphics card instead (6750 XT)
Hey luv ur content ..just found ur channel and subbed right away ..and I want to ask can I able to tune "corsair 16gbx2 cl18 3600mhz kit " .. I'm using msi b550 tomahawk 5800x3d .. Thanks
Yes you can, don't think its an b-die but it can still achieve higher frequencies but you will be li9misted to your 5800X3D memory controller/Fabric clock see video here: th-cam.com/video/Q7aHq5lO9mM/w-d-xo.html
@Game Day Thx already watching that:p
Do you have a video on how you achieved the 4100 DDR4?
I've always wanted to get into overclocking and tuning computers but I am so scared of messing my PC up.. it would have to be a huge gain for me to do it I think
practice on an old PC
What did you tune about the ram?
Great video, as always, keep it up!
Two things I just want to add:
1) Based on your scores tuned DDR4 = tuned DDR5 7800 is SC, which is amazing for DDR4. And I see no reason to pay the premium of DDR5 because of this.
2) You should really test other games too, because you're doing a good job with the OC-ing and tuning. I mean CPU bound games only, not any game.
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Can i get these timings on Gskill 8000mhz 32gb kit with no added cooling?? how far can i get with them? thank you
The Gskill 8000 uses the same memory chip from Hynix called A Die. So technically yes it can but you probably need active air cooling. Just try it
hey anyone know if the 12900k is any good in star citizen? Microcenter has quite the deal rn for 400$ bundle with 32gb of ram and a motherboard
I had the 12900KS before the 13900k and it was 10% slower than the 13900K, tested using DDR4 at 4100MHZ same timings on both systems. For that price its a steal, but what is the RAM speed as that is the most important part in star citizen
6000 ddr5 if you search 12900k bundle on microcenter it should show up@@gamedaytoday1
@@gamedaytoday1 yeah 6000mhz ddr5
How to tune ddr4 please
Only B-die ddr4 can be tuned.
Well star citizen is unoptimized. Sure you can do something in tuning. But wont be this over 150fps in 3k or something. Or even in 1440p.
120+ frames in space in 4k already
@@gamedaytoday1 in 1080p :P
How hot does it get when your playing?
Data shows: average:70 max 82
Wow that's hot if it's in Celsius
@@foxmino yes it is Celsius
Biggest PUA in the SC universe
To be clear to anyone who doesn't know, RAM speeds matter WAY less for AMD GPUs, and consequently you don't need to splurge for 7200 MHz memory for them. 6000 or so will do. Hell, a 7800X3D with even just 5600CL28 could beat a 13900KS with 8000MHz memory in most games. Depends in SC, and things in SC will almost certainly change in the Vulkan era.
Just a PSA.
13900ks vs 7800x3d +- same. Only if you play stradagy yes, you need amd. In cs we see how match tuned memory timings and clock give for all fps datas and i seen most compare and i can say in fight 1 vs 1 on yela drops of x3d CPU are massive so mb you will have cheap ram and not tuned but if you have drops in dogfight bc low clock it`s realy bad news for SC. and i dont say of burning issues and tempertures.
1080p xd
God, who play at 1080p ? LoL
please make test in 2k & 4k
Here is a video for your 2K and 4K needs: th-cam.com/video/ESMyu4wuT4Q/w-d-xo.html
The best way to get good performance in Star Citizen, is to avoid Star Citizen. It's a scam, and the only game in the history of games that has its own subreddit for refunds.