Awesome thanks, I'm with you I fix stuff but don't restore. Just doing my Dad's VV-XI that he converted to electric turntable back in 1973. Thank god he didn't ruin the cabinet, he just made a board with felt underneath that sat in place of the original mech. I'm going to clean the springs and regrease. That dual spring mech you showed looks very much like mine. Glad he also kept all the parts boxed up safe n sound. Putting it up for sale after since he's long since passed. All I did was wipe it down with a little moisturizer for the wood. Too bad they made about 800,000 of my model but I guess the good thing is there are parts available. Amazing part is after decades of me building vintage snowmobiles here in Syracuse I found all the matching nickel screws to mount the horn. They were tossed in with my other machine screws and not knowing back then I could have very well used them for something else. Lol
The Victrola the 6th is a solid little machine. Good motor to learn multi spring maintenance on. Even if your father had tossed the parts they are easy enough to find on eBay. It was a very popular model for Victor, they made over 700,000 between 1911-1924.
Nice work, it's so clean. I have a VVIX Mahogony. I love it, great design, only, I wish it had auto shutoff. I think mine is from 1913. Don't know how to find out for certain.
@@spencerbergquist781 you can find out the date from the serial number. You can look the serial number up online or send it to me and I’ll look it up for you.
@@Rockisland1903 Hi Rockisland. I don't know where to look online to find the date.. it's a VVIX 60415 and looks like letter "C" at the right. it has piano hinge doors, crescent bezel, and 3 upward speaker slats. I think it's 1913, but if you can look it up, I appreciate very much. Thanks.
@@spencerbergquist781 yes, your machine was made in 1913. The suffix letter is just there to indicate there has been some form of change done to the motor or maybe the horn something like that. 1913 was a year of many changes, but the biggest one was this is the year the Victrola the ninth, got the cast-iron isolated horn inside the cabinet 1911, and 1912 had a wooden baffle horn with the motor suspended in the middle of it. The new horn isolates the horn from the motor so the motor is no longer hanging inside the horn opening.
I have a 1913 VIII and it doesn’t have that pin on the end. But it did have the crank broken where yours is. After a failed attempt of taking it apart I’m going to send the whole motor to somebody else.
I have a 1913 VIII in my parts supply. The machine was badly refinished and missing parts like the sound doors. With mine it wasn't a broken crank so much as someone substituting a crank from the VV-VI that is shorter. Maybe they lost the original, or the knob fell off. The crank steel is too thick to break without massive damage to the entire machine happening first, but the knob end is thin, they will snap there. George Vollema and Great Lakes antique Phonograph can handle that motor, but this kind of work is not cheap as it is time consuming. The 1913 VIII uses an older style two spring motor , they are a bit more difficult to deal with given the spring uses an arbor, not a hook inside the barrel, and a pin on the shaft has to be tapped out to get the barrels off, but it's not impossible.
Rockisland1903 All my other Victrolas are from the 1920s. With the “burton” style motor. And their motors are something I can do on my own, but this one I’m going to have to send out. And fix the Murphy’s Law mistakes I made. I decided before I do more damage (broke two governor springs in the process of taking out. Messed up the spring on the speed control) I would rather just give it to a professional. Besides the springs inside the cans aren’t going to hold up much longer anyway. Might as well have them put new springs in. Plus some things are frozen and I don’t have many of the proper tools so I’ll probably end up doing more damage than good. You gotta know when to hold em’ and know when to fold em’.
i have a victrola when i took the speaker out or whatever its called i unscrewed the back and carved into the access pannel or stamped was 1906, were these cabinets made the year they went out for sale or could this cabinet have been made in 1906 then a few years later put together and sent? i have parts for it i emptied it out and have no interest in fixing it i want the cabinet alone but i did put a small blutooth speaker to the back of the horn and it made it quite a bit louder so i might keep that but the rest the motor and screws and controls can all be acquired from me same name on my facebook page different picture though of me wearing a trump hat someone gave me. i don't know the going rate for parts so they will probably be cheap
You have a machine like the one here in the video? Victor didn't date cabinets, and 1906 would be a bit early for an internal horn machine. The early cabinets for the Victrola's were made initially by outside contractors. They are dated by the serial number on the ID plate. Date information is skimpy for some of the early machines, but later ones it's easy enough to find. It's a horn, speakers are found in electric machines of a later era . Most Victrolas will be from the teens and 20's.
Richard Mcginnis, there must be hundreds of you on facebook, I checked the name and a whole page popped up with a long list. If you would like to sell it's probably better to send pictures of what you have to the email rockisland1903victrola@gmail.com
Awesome thanks, I'm with you I fix stuff but don't restore. Just doing my Dad's VV-XI that he converted to electric turntable back in 1973. Thank god he didn't ruin the cabinet, he just made a board with felt underneath that sat in place of the original mech. I'm going to clean the springs and regrease. That dual spring mech you showed looks very much like mine. Glad he also kept all the parts boxed up safe n sound. Putting it up for sale after since he's long since passed. All I did was wipe it down with a little moisturizer for the wood. Too bad they made about 800,000 of my model but I guess the good thing is there are parts available. Amazing part is after decades of me building vintage snowmobiles here in Syracuse I found all the matching nickel screws to mount the horn. They were tossed in with my other machine screws and not knowing back then I could have very well used them for something else. Lol
The Victrola the 6th is a solid little machine. Good motor to learn multi spring maintenance on. Even if your father had tossed the parts they are easy enough to find on eBay. It was a very popular model for Victor, they made over 700,000 between 1911-1924.
Nice work, it's so clean. I have a VVIX Mahogony. I love it, great design, only, I wish it had auto shutoff. I think mine is from 1913. Don't know how to find out for certain.
@@spencerbergquist781 you can find out the date from the serial number. You can look the serial number up online or send it to me and I’ll look it up for you.
@@Rockisland1903 Hi Rockisland. I don't know where to look online to find the date.. it's a VVIX 60415 and looks like letter "C" at the right. it has piano hinge doors, crescent bezel, and 3 upward speaker slats. I think it's 1913, but if you can look it up, I appreciate very much. Thanks.
@@spencerbergquist781 yes, your machine was made in 1913. The suffix letter is just there to indicate there has been some form of change done to the motor or maybe the horn something like that. 1913 was a year of many changes, but the biggest one was this is the year the Victrola the ninth, got the cast-iron isolated horn inside the cabinet 1911, and 1912 had a wooden baffle horn with the motor suspended in the middle of it. The new horn isolates the horn from the motor so the motor is no longer hanging inside the horn opening.
@@Rockisland1903 Thank you so much for the research
Another interesting video to watch, thanks from Wales in the UK
I have a 1913 VIII and it doesn’t have that pin on the end. But it did have the crank broken where yours is. After a failed attempt of taking it apart I’m going to send the whole motor to somebody else.
I have a 1913 VIII in my parts supply. The machine was badly refinished and missing parts like the sound doors. With mine it wasn't a broken crank so much as someone substituting a crank from the VV-VI that is shorter. Maybe they lost the original, or the knob fell off. The crank steel is too thick to break without massive damage to the entire machine happening first, but the knob end is thin, they will snap there. George Vollema and Great Lakes antique Phonograph can handle that motor, but this kind of work is not cheap as it is time consuming. The 1913 VIII uses an older style two spring motor , they are a bit more difficult to deal with given the spring uses an arbor, not a hook inside the barrel, and a pin on the shaft has to be tapped out to get the barrels off, but it's not impossible.
Rockisland1903 All my other Victrolas are from the 1920s. With the “burton” style motor. And their motors are something I can do on my own, but this one I’m going to have to send out. And fix the Murphy’s Law mistakes I made. I decided before I do more damage (broke two governor springs in the process of taking out. Messed up the spring on the speed control) I would rather just give it to a professional. Besides the springs inside the cans aren’t going to hold up much longer anyway. Might as well have them put new springs in. Plus some things are frozen and I don’t have many of the proper tools so I’ll probably end up doing more damage than good. You gotta know when to hold em’ and know when to fold em’.
i have a victrola when i took the speaker out or whatever its called i unscrewed the back and carved into the access pannel or stamped was 1906, were these cabinets made the year they went out for sale or could this cabinet have been made in 1906 then a few years later put together and sent? i have parts for it i emptied it out and have no interest in fixing it i want the cabinet alone but i did put a small blutooth speaker to the back of the horn and it made it quite a bit louder so i might keep that but the rest the motor and screws and controls can all be acquired from me same name on my facebook page different picture though of me wearing a trump hat someone gave me. i don't know the going rate for parts so they will probably be cheap
You have a machine like the one here in the video? Victor didn't date cabinets, and 1906 would be a bit early for an internal horn machine. The early cabinets for the Victrola's were made initially by outside contractors. They are dated by the serial number on the ID plate. Date information is skimpy for some of the early machines, but later ones it's easy enough to find. It's a horn, speakers are found in electric machines of a later era . Most Victrolas will be from the teens and 20's.
Richard Mcginnis, there must be hundreds of you on facebook, I checked the name and a whole page popped up with a long list. If you would like to sell it's probably better to send pictures of what you have to the email rockisland1903victrola@gmail.com
Keep the original parts with it so someone in the future can put it back together if they want.
You can't buy new gears for these motors, you can buy used ones on eBay and hope they mesh well with the remaining ones in the motor.