Hey MW, would you consider including audio quality of car music systems into your reviews going forward, a lot of people choose higher trims simply for the audio tech it would great to know from your reviews if that’s a good way to go. Thanks keep up the great work 👌🏾
I love your optimism that this car would be around at all having suffered a fault that would cost more to fix than the car is worth within the first 3 years
The french automakers have really stepped up their game in the recent years! I have a Citroen C3 and I love the design, not to mention that it’s a no-nonsense, comfy daily driver. Well done, France, well done…
They have stepped up...? Are you kidding me...? They have been already good at making cars and Citroen was always aggressive when it comes to apply new technology into their products. Their cars are famous for good suspension setting. Who do you think the inventor of FWD?
I Drive a DS 9 rivoli + with all the opcional equipment. The model Matt is testing it's a low equiped one. It doesn't have night vision, massage in all the 4 seats, auto pilot, all the seats heated and ventilated, auto parking... More equiped than an E class or 5 series for less. For me, It is also more confortable, but less sporty, having owned other E segment cars. Nevertheless, with no optionals, It has much better features than it's rivals: Matrix LED, front heated, ventilated and massage seats, aceptable driving aids such as adaptative cruise control, the camera operated suspension, key-less entry... Matt should say all the available equipment the car has. A little bit disappointed with his review.
I've waited for this car to come around for about 5 years. I'm not that old but I get a annoyed how everything has got to be sporty. If I want sporty, I'll go buy a gtr... Or supra.. or something that way... With the roads in Britain I cherish my bones and would rather not feel my vertebrae clack together over a pothole at 70.. or any pothole I just wish they offered diesel variant.. that's my only offput. :(
Ah yeah that sounds great. This is supposed to compete with other top-specced cars, so hopefully he can do a fair review at some point. On the other hand Matt seems to love his BMWs to death, I guess he will be biased no matter how highly specced it is (not flaming, I like Matt having his own opinions).
Focal is a high end French audio equipment company (it's pronounced Focaaaaaaaal) - they make amazing speakers so I would take that option. Assuming that it's not just a branding exercise.
I have a 2022 Peugeot 5008 and I can vouch for the Focal sound system. They sound very good and they have quite a lot of bass as well thanks to the subwoofer under the seat. Overall an amazing car when you spec it fully.
Just about every branded car audio system is entirely subcontracted to someone else, so chances are this is the same. Of course, it might still soumd good, but designed and built by Focal, it likely isnt.
@@GoldenCroc According to Focal's website: All of the brand’s expertise went into developing this high-fidelity car audio system, which boasts ten speaker drivers featuring exclusive Focal technologies, to deliver pure and detailed sound to your vehicle. Lesson here is we both could have googled that and saved ourselves a discussion 😀
@@ruk2023-- Well yes, but they would write that, wouldnt they? Not saying its false, but I wont take their word for it, considering the normal car audio procedure. Cheers.
@@GoldenCroc It's all about the wording. They have specifically said they created it. If they said that they consulted on it or something similar I would have the same doubts as you. There's a lot of spin in marketing, I know, it's my profession, but it's not worth getting sued for an easily disprovable lie so I have never encountered a brand that would be completely untruthful.
Hello Matt! Love your videos! Would you consider making a part in your video reviews where you show how the external lights (and maybe the interior ones too) look at night e.g. back tailgate lights, front daily running lights + headlights and lastly the turn indicator lights? Would be nice to see that as some of the cars have some great designs!
I don't know why all the hatred for french cars comes from. I know BMW, Audi (esp Audi) Mercedes, Landrover and Volvos all have problems from new. I've driven them like I've driven Citroen Peugeots and Renault's and hardly any difference between them except for the price.
The reason why the petrol door is locked and takes a while to open is because it’s pressurized. This is done to keep the petrol fresh in case you go a long time without replacing the gas.
As far as I see this car has a fuel filler cap as well as the fuel filler door. The fuel filler door being pressurised makes no sense. All petrol cars have had pressurised fuel filler caps for more than twenty years. Not a very good design from an established carmaker, (I’m not surprised from a French carmaker who still produce unreliable cars). Petrol doesn’t need to be kept “fresh”. Your argument makes absolutely no sense. Yet another reason not to buy a French car, they can’t even get this basic requirement correct!
@@Schervin The most unreliable brand is Jaguar / LR. French cars sit somewhere above German ones but are still unreliable . Had two recent Renaults and a Citroen as company cars and all had annoying and occasionally serious faults . Even Japanese cars are nowhere near as reliable as they were . Particular Nissans.
Matt, as an owner of DS7 I can tell you one thing. You should have reviewed the higher spec one. There you get much more for your money, lots of things that you don't have in a much more expansive German brands. And the price difference is not that big from the lower end. Somewhat seems like you don't do DS justice in both clips, DS7 and DS9.
It's with all brands. They can always do better. BUT i also think it's not that easy to get the specific car they want. You know, rules, availability, marketing, etc
@Sıradan bi fani that’s because that’s is the USP of these inferior brands. Same thing with every single Asian car company, their lower end hatchbacks will have standard equipment that not even the 7 series or s class have
I would like 360hp hybrid version. But... the fuel tank capacity totally this disqualifies the car and renders it super annoying. BTW: It's not an S Class competitor lol, not even close that pricetag. It's direct Lexus ES 300h, 5 series and E-Class competitor.
It looks nice. You know I would really appreciate a real world comparison between this car and its main competitors, the E class 5 series and A6. Kind of like, 6 weeks of daily driving each of the vehicles and then comparing them.
@@EinkOLED still doesn't make it a competitor to the S-class. By that logic the Miata is Mazda's fastest roadster, therefore is a competitor to the 911 Turbo S. Utter bollocks.
I have a Peugeot 508, various parts on this look the same, even the front thang light design. Guessing they used that as the basis on the DS9 since it's part of the same group. If you can't afford a DS9 the Peugeot 508 is definitely one to look at!
It's built on the same platform, they just extended the wheel base and the DS perks. But under the skin it's a 508. Same as my DS7 is the same as 3008/5008. Some parts are the same, and engine/gears are same.
@@MarkLaingold oh I didn't know that about the DS7. Always loved the DS7, DS do feel and look a lot more luxury. However Peugeot still has a sense of luxury and design. Wish the DS9 had a hatchback boot however, feel that would've made it a bit more practical, like the 508 has
The fuel door is because it is a pressurized system and has to balance the pressures. Same thing on the Jeep 4xe, and putting your gas cap on can give you a CEL and cause limp mode. Progress!
@@09feb1992 I’m just going off the 4xe Jeep products. Out of the Wrangler line-up, they have the only fuel door that can have that odd delay, and has a special button you have to press to unlock it. And I should have clarified, putting the cap on wrong causes a CEL.
Fuel tank is pressurised as it’s a plug in hybrid, using a NIRCO system, the system has to depressurise separately, virtually all plug ins require a separate button to unlock the fuel door
On the center console I just think of one spilled drink will ruin that and will look rubbish from then on. Plus would it collect things like lint and dirt? Looks pretty but not sure how practical.
it's named "performance LINE"... in automotive world this means standard car with "sporty trim accessories"... so, not GT, but GT line or, like "Audi A4 S line" and not "Audi S4" 😉
I have the impression that speaking well of a French car is a sin on this channel. this car is made to compete with the German ones, but in this video he presents one of the less luxurious versions. It is sure that when we compare them to the high-end German model presented each time, yes they look less good the French ones
@@undercovercucumber7345 On the other hand, these reviews are more useful. YOu know what you get and these are usually the most balanced versions of the cars and the ones you end up buying. What good is they present some 400HP variant with 40k$ optioned on it?
Nothing really surprising from a rotten English jerk. They are bitter. In 2022, French manufacturing and quality process is at the top.The DS7 SUV is one of the most efficient on the market, for instance. French automakers are still ranked in the world top 10, while English automotive industry doesn't almost exists anymore, for instance.
it looks great both on the inside and outside, the problem is it's a very small displacement engine for a car of that size 1.6L is for small crossovers, compact sedans or hatchbacks
Not this time; but I come from a time when Citroen made awesome cars. I've owned a Traction V8 Familiale, a DS23 Pallas, a DS23 Presidential, a CX2400 Familliale, a CX2400 Sedan, and an amazing DS23 Grande Velo (6 wheeled estate). My last Citroen was a C6 V6 Saloon. Great cars all; but now I'm on my 7th Lexus, a "breathed-on" GS300 SE-L. Lexus did the upgrade and it is simply incredible. Very very comfortable, silent, utterly reliable and FAST! Nuff said
Problem is it becomes increasingly expensive to produce a car with worse fuel economy and regulations keep getting tighter so companies are just doing away with big engine offerings for most cars, there's no need for them to spend the extra and justify it to the important people so they just don't bother Target market also doesn't seem to be those people, I'm thinking more midlife crisis/middle-aged man with 1-2 kids and likes the idea of a new business looking car, but also is a bit tight and doesn't like fuel prices ect, my dad likes this and that's him in a nutshell
@@youraveragejoe1 but idk if you already tried but PSA can't make a good automatic transmission. They're really jerky and have a mind of their own. They tend to completely ruin the drivability and dynamic on mountain roads even in manual gear selection mode
I had 2 large Citroens as company cars back in the day, I didn't choose them but I really liked then...great to drive an very comfortable....I'd have one any day
@DOLLY PRANE I know exactly what I'm talking about, and I am specifically saying it because of the French used market. You can buy a Peugeot 407 in decent shape for under a grand, but you can't buy a 3 series or a B6 Passat for twice the price in the same condition. Oh, and don't get me started on Škoda's, the second gen Škoda is nowhere to be found under 4 grand, whilst a 508 can be bought for 2.5k
Hats of to DS for producing something a bit different, but long term ownership like Mercedes would probably end up being disappointing due to average reliability and customer service. For long term ownership there is only one genuine "luxury" brand and my money would be spent on a Lexus.
We don't know how reliable the DS9 really is - the car just came out. Lexus isn't much worse then BMW in the last 5years - BMW got better, and Lexus, some engines got worse. The only car brand I wouldn't touch is Audi/VW - the engines are horrendous.
Mercedes is the best regarding Luxurious experience, Lexus is totally outdated Technology that’s why they are reliable because there is nothing to fail. And as long as you bring your Mercedes to the annual maintenance you have nothing to worry about these days. If you have money for a 150k Mercedes s class u also take care of it.
@@purplefabian I wouldn't spend 150k on a Mercedes. It is also not the best. Mercedes regarding quality peaked in the 80s just like Kirstie Alley. I come from a Mercedes family and my father for a short time went BMW and Jaguar in the 90s and the car in the end he fall in love with was a LS400 after owning for only 6 months an S500. He drove the Lexus of a friend of his for a few hundred km trough Germany and that was it for him. If you can afford a Mercedes on leasing or on finance for a few years, they OK, but as a long term companion you can forget them. Since the W220 the air suspension keeps failing - if you buy any 6+ year old Benz with a.s. and you can't find any information regarding it was serviced you driving a ticking time bomb. Mercedes customer service - horrendous; only the last 10years they started to get better, however I still hear stories from friends and family who own them what beggars believe.
I love the peugeot 508 and I see no reason to prefer an DS9 to 508. Imo sometimes the 508 looks more confident and has a good balance between elegance and sportive
The DS9 is only available as a high end car and as such, it is similarly priced to the top of the range 508 PSE, which uses the same running gear as the dual motor DS9 E-Tense.
6:37 because you can steal fuel if you leave your car unlocked by accident but you can’t steal electricity also it might be because you’d use the battery port more frequent than the gas one
They should've put a bigger engine inside and paired it with the electric motors, they could've borrowed one from either Alfa, Maserati, or Chrysler. This'll never be a proper competitor for other luxury cars because it has an engine from an economy car. Sad really, because I think it's really nice in general otherwise.
Given how much France tax petrol/diesel cars, French people don’t want/need bigger engines. Also given how many speed cameras there are, what do you need 300hp for!? Finally have you seen the price of petrol!? Add to that those euro norms for pollution and you know why they put small engines in cars
@@stephgel you ask what you need 300HP for, but this car's about as fast as 150HP midsize hatchbacks. Just some food for thought. 300HP really isn't that much on such a heavy car.
Hi. I like a test drive on a car, but I noticed that there is no review for one car, namely the Lincoln MKZ and the aviator, or, in general, for a som brand of car. Hope to see in the future.
Shortlisting this and a ES. A car doesn't have to be sporty to be a plasure to drive, and the DS9 proves this like nothing apart from a Rolls Royce. It glides on the road, the leather is sumptuous and *everywhere*, I mean, *everywhere*. The Focal 18 speaker system is bang on for Sound Quality, the paint finishes are lightyears better than any BMW (and only cost €900 for the most expensive) and a fully loaded DS9 with 7 years of unlimited warranty and maintenance cost just €75.000 - that's base E-class money. Any DS just feels different, they take you to Paris without even leaving the garage. Even the window switches are gorgeous and not shared with any other car. Why? Because it looks good. That, the germans cannot do. DS, like Genesis, really is the new Lexus. The entire company questions the way we do luxury cars, it's a breath of fresh air, and honestly, I want to be a part of their story. Like Citroen was weird in an interesting and appealing way decades ago, so is DS now. The laggy satnav, the bad-ish graphics and dimwitted transmition are all forgivable in the name of every drive being an event, just as with a 4.2 Quattroporte or an XM or CX. Seriously, visit a DS store and truly drink in any of their offerings. Then, go to an Audi dealership and buy one instead... ... I don't think I could.
To be honest, it looks so elegant and unique outside (especially in front) ppl who don’t know woulda mistake it for a very luxury car (like Bentley for ex) 🤣, inside it’s fine too nice tech it has all you need (atleast for me)
Thank you PCP Peasants! We're now over £40k for a family car a Working Class person should be able to purchase on a years salary, not many W/C people are in the highest tax band throughout the country! Thought of spending 40-50k and watching a 5 figure sum disappearing every year before it's 1st MOT won't be my money, talking at least £40 per day disappearing based on the 5 day working week(after tax/NI), certainly my boss into going to up my wages that amount...I'll stick to buying old cars at auction(current 308HDi was £140 out the door, would trust it to go to Spain tomorrow, less than 3 days top line).
I love Citroen quirkiness, we need more non-German cars - that clock for is a nice example, on the other hand, those headlights will render this uneconomical to repair following the smallest accident.
honestly, i wouldnt even say its better than e-class, i dont know why, but i feel like despite throwing all the expensive materials into that interior, it still feels cheap... and that engine too, now you dont need to only charge it for over an hour, you also have to normally tank it :( Not saying its bad tho, just that there are much better alternatives
I’m guessing you’ve never been in an E class? Same price but quicker, more luxurious feeling, looks more elegant and it’s got the badge prestige. I’d assume better to drive too
Of course I would take DS9 over S-Class. I save alot of money, still driving with comfort and premium feeling inside. And I don´t need to be scared that much of breakdowns and maintenance costs like with Germas which can make you go bust! German Era is unfortunately over in terms of making luxurious cars with great reliability.
I think the car market still says differently with premium German cars still being top sellers. I’ve owned German premium brands in the past, never had a single breakdown, but I’ll agree the main dealer servicing costs are frightening. The depreciation on this will be horrendous.
So in short I will get a lot of cars if I buy the DS,i really like that idea, I will say it's is the sexiest car with an errection clock and big hole USB,I prefer it with 2.0L engine with 250ish horse power without the complexity of the hybrid system and added weight.
Most people who drive this car won’t be remotely interested in feeling through the steering wheel , they won’t be interested in going round corners as fast as possible , they just want to be comfortable.
Lovely looking car. I think however it's about time Citroën updated their indicator and wiper stalks, they've looked the same now for about 10 years I think it is
What's the issue with USB-A ports? I mean, most phones come with USB-A to USB-C cables (or lightning for iPhones). Even if they don't, those cables are cheap, and also to plug a USB stick, 99% of them are regular USB type A.
How does the road surface scanning work at night, and in the rain? A Genesis GV80 reviewer said it's system didn't work as well in those conditions. If that's the case, it's a bit of a gimmick IMHO.
Fuel door is locked, because in hybrid, there is high pressure in fuel tank and that must be released before opening fuel cap. Car will release pressure when unlock button is pressed and then opens fuel door.
Love French cars, but no it isn't a S Class and depreciation will be catastrophic. Don't know why Citroën every decade or so decide to build a luxury car, they should do what Renault do and build cars for masses.
Depreciation is catastrophic on all cars... Especially on high end luxury cars like the S Class. So whats the point? And who the hell buys cars worrying about depreciation? We're getting more americanized each passing moment... Buy the car you frikin like/need and drive it to the ground. By the end of their lifecycle, all cars will be worthless, and selling a car as an only owner will always lose you money.
@@an-dr6eu i think everyone sensible with their money is concerned about depreciation. At least a little. And every few people will keep a car for 20 years and run it into the ground which will make it expansive to look after and outdated
Thats true my X3 has 1 type A and several type C's where I had to hunt around for an adapter cable (or pay absolutely through the nose for the BMW one !)
I'd agree but type c is more future proof. Way I'd look at it is if you can spend 40k on a car you can afford a USB c cable end to end for tenner... And it'd be a nice one for that money!
@@T_Perkins You can afford that even if you spend 10k for one. Thats not the issue. Its the inconvenience of using a connector which needs a cable barely used by anyone. Instead of asking everyone to just bring their standard charging cables with them if they want to use the car ports, youd have to go and buy 2 pairs of them and store them in the car just for this purpose
Definitely not an S Class rival. Given this starts at £40k and so does an E Class... I know which I'd rather have! I've driven a basic E Class and it was very good. This seems a bit basic 5 series.
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It will be a nightmare to own soon as the warranty runs out. The depreciation will be horrific, it will go wrong constantly especially with electrical issues, and be worth nothing in 10 years. Then in 20 years they will be such a rarity the price will rocket again for the few remaining survivors !
@DOLLY PRANE Yes you're correct, the British motor industry is extinct really. Only Lotus and a few small marques left. My comment was based on experience (I work in the motor trade, and actually worked previously for a dealership which sold Citroen & Peugeot brands. The amount of recalls and quality issues were pretty bad. I also worked for Hyundai who were levels above in quality. I now work selling old Triumph & MG car parts for 60's/70's cars, and I'm thankful they were so shockingly bad as it keeps me in a job :-))
Hi Mat, Could you add on to your review a driver sun-blind. What I realised not many manufactures instal a good sun-blinds, sometimes scratching your forehead eg. KIA Ceed (a doubly pleasure when I rent it out abroad) or when you turn to the side is not covering at all - majority of the time is too short. So far Subaru sort the problem out. We really likes your reviews :)
Citroens depreciate very fast, at 3 years old you will struggle to get enough for one to cover the deposit on your next car, unless it is another Citroen, which from my experience of them is very unlikely. The iffy build quality like the poor alignment of the bonnet strip and badge are just typical. All you can do is buy another badge and fit it correctly yourself, the jammed fuel cap is again a typical quirk that is not funny when all you want to do is get home. So which car would i choose, a Mercedes, but an E class estate not the S Class.
So, would you consider the DS 9 over the S-Class? 🤔
Nope but for the price its really good
Why
citroen is trash
Do you guys export cars
Yes
Hey MW, would you consider including audio quality of car music systems into your reviews going forward, a lot of people choose higher trims simply for the audio tech it would great to know from your reviews if that’s a good way to go. Thanks keep up the great work 👌🏾
yes please
Definitely agree
Yes completely agree, it's one of the most important things in a car for me
200% bro, one big thing missing in his videos is the audio quality discussion.
Sad!
Just like every other big Citroen before, it's good to know that in 10 years I'll be driving this for £1200.
I love your optimism that this car would be around at all having suffered a fault that would cost more to fix than the car is worth within the first 3 years
@@TheMRmadhatt Was thinking the same. After 3 years these cars are sh*t. During the first 3 years at least you are covered if something breaks down.
@@karolykrausz5534 and it will breakdown
And you're dead by then
@@karolykrausz5534 do manufacturers really replace shit? What's the point of insurance then?
The french automakers have really stepped up their game in the recent years! I have a Citroen C3 and I love the design, not to mention that it’s a no-nonsense, comfy daily driver. Well done, France, well done…
They have stepped up...? Are you kidding me...?
They have been already good at making cars and Citroen was always aggressive when it comes to apply new technology into their products. Their cars are famous for good suspension setting. Who do you think the inventor of FWD?
Merci beaucoup 😊
@Billy Jean between 2005-2018 all were rubbish bar Renault
Seems like the French have actually been watching a lot of carwow when designing their cars... Very impressed I must say
what ? the front of the car is incredibly ugly, as Mat points out, the strips on the front don't even line up lmao
@@derailedtrain2517 how are you that daft that you can't understand past, present and future tense...
The Queen wouldn't be seen dead in it.
@@bastogne315 What about the princess? Last time she was in a Mercedes it didn't turn out too well for her did it?
I Drive a DS 9 rivoli + with all the opcional equipment. The model Matt is testing it's a low equiped one. It doesn't have night vision, massage in all the 4 seats, auto pilot, all the seats heated and ventilated, auto parking... More equiped than an E class or 5 series for less. For me, It is also more confortable, but less sporty, having owned other E segment cars. Nevertheless, with no optionals, It has much better features than it's rivals: Matrix LED, front heated, ventilated and massage seats, aceptable driving aids such as adaptative cruise control, the camera operated suspension, key-less entry...
Matt should say all the available equipment the car has. A little bit disappointed with his review.
same here
It would be a lot more popular, especially to fleet owners if it offered the 2.0 HDi engine!
I've waited for this car to come around for about 5 years. I'm not that old but I get a annoyed how everything has got to be sporty. If I want sporty, I'll go buy a gtr... Or supra.. or something that way... With the roads in Britain I cherish my bones and would rather not feel my vertebrae clack together over a pothole at 70.. or any pothole
I just wish they offered diesel variant.. that's my only offput. :(
Ah yeah that sounds great. This is supposed to compete with other top-specced cars, so hopefully he can do a fair review at some point. On the other hand Matt seems to love his BMWs to death, I guess he will be biased no matter how highly specced it is (not flaming, I like Matt having his own opinions).
I agree
Finally, I'm on lunch been waiting for the notification to drop. Took your sweet time Carwow.
Same
Same
I am waiting for 308!🤩
Focal is a high end French audio equipment company (it's pronounced Focaaaaaaaal) - they make amazing speakers so I would take that option. Assuming that it's not just a branding exercise.
I have a 2022 Peugeot 5008 and I can vouch for the Focal sound system. They sound very good and they have quite a lot of bass as well thanks to the subwoofer under the seat. Overall an amazing car when you spec it fully.
Just about every branded car audio system is entirely subcontracted to someone else, so chances are this is the same. Of course, it might still soumd good, but designed and built by Focal, it likely isnt.
@@GoldenCroc According to Focal's website: All of the brand’s expertise went into developing this high-fidelity car audio system, which boasts ten speaker drivers featuring exclusive Focal technologies, to deliver pure and detailed sound to your vehicle.
Lesson here is we both could have googled that and saved ourselves a discussion 😀
@@ruk2023-- Well yes, but they would write that, wouldnt they? Not saying its false, but I wont take their word for it, considering the normal car audio procedure. Cheers.
@@GoldenCroc It's all about the wording. They have specifically said they created it. If they said that they consulted on it or something similar I would have the same doubts as you. There's a lot of spin in marketing, I know, it's my profession, but it's not worth getting sued for an easily disprovable lie so I have never encountered a brand that would be completely untruthful.
No car is safe from Mat's stick of truth
except BMW lol
“Looks like a bit of a lie…”😂😂 but seriously thou in 2022 I don’t mind fake exhaust these days
All Porsche models have real exhausts and vents
@@victornjensen it's such a shame that a company like Mercedes still provide fake vents and exhaust for such expensive cars
@@victornjensen except Venturi and Ferrari.
Hello Matt! Love your videos!
Would you consider making a part in your video reviews where you show how the external lights (and maybe the interior ones too) look at night e.g. back tailgate lights, front daily running lights + headlights and lastly the turn indicator lights? Would be nice to see that as some of the cars have some great designs!
Great idea actually
Great idea!
Really good idea, hadn’t thought about this but it would be nice to see
I’m agreeing with you mate. Car in nighttime with ambiente/interior light is a must nowadays
Fabulous idea
DS is one of my favorite brands because they're never afraid to do things differently
Like pansexual people
wtf their whole lineup looks like Chinese copies of Audis
@@ilovesheryterry Falou pouco e falou merda
I don't know why all the hatred for french cars comes from. I know BMW, Audi (esp Audi) Mercedes, Landrover and Volvos all have problems from new. I've driven them like I've driven Citroen Peugeots and Renault's and hardly any difference between them except for the price.
The reason why the petrol door is locked and takes a while to open is because it’s pressurized. This is done to keep the petrol fresh in case you go a long time without replacing the gas.
As far as I see this car has a fuel filler cap as well as the fuel filler door. The fuel filler door being pressurised makes no sense. All petrol cars have had pressurised fuel filler caps for more than twenty years. Not a very good design from an established carmaker, (I’m not surprised from a French carmaker who still produce unreliable cars). Petrol doesn’t need to be kept “fresh”. Your argument makes absolutely no sense. Yet another reason not to buy a French car, they can’t even get this basic requirement correct!
@@eamonnmcdermott1939 Can you explain about unreliablity of french cars? They are far more reliable than American and German cars
@@Schervin He is just repeating tired stereotypes and not looking at actual recent reliability data.
Are we talking real data or "customer surveys" here?
@@Schervin The most unreliable brand is Jaguar / LR. French cars sit somewhere above German ones but are still unreliable . Had two recent Renaults and a Citroen as company cars and all had annoying and occasionally serious faults . Even Japanese cars are nowhere near as reliable as they were . Particular Nissans.
Matt, as an owner of DS7 I can tell you one thing. You should have reviewed the higher spec one. There you get much more for your money, lots of things that you don't have in a much more expansive German brands. And the price difference is not that big from the lower end. Somewhat seems like you don't do DS justice in both clips, DS7 and DS9.
It's with all brands. They can always do better. BUT i also think it's not that easy to get the specific car they want. You know, rules, availability, marketing, etc
@Sıradan bi fani and how much is an s class? This car is not its competitor.
@Sıradan bi fani that’s because that’s is the USP of these inferior brands. Same thing with every single Asian car company, their lower end hatchbacks will have standard equipment that not even the 7 series or s class have
@@aknsandal4505 👍👍👍
@@J000GA DS 9 in my opinion better than DS 7.
I would like 360hp hybrid version. But... the fuel tank capacity totally this disqualifies the car and renders it super annoying.
BTW: It's not an S Class competitor lol, not even close that pricetag.
It's direct Lexus ES 300h, 5 series and E-Class competitor.
Thiss is correct
Well the es300 does not compete with thr 5 series or e class
@@AHMEDMOOSAJI competes with 4 cylinder variants. Same price tag as ES 300h Luxury Line and f sport depending on additional equipment.
This competes with a Ford Focus or Vauxhall. It’s total pants.
@@AHMEDMOOSAJI it does, they discontinued GS(an actual 5series competitor) a long ago
It looks nice. You know I would really appreciate a real world comparison between this car and its main competitors, the E class 5 series and A6. Kind of like, 6 weeks of daily driving each of the vehicles and then comparing them.
How can a car that's the same length as an E-class be an S-class rival?
That's modern automotive journalism for you.
It's the Peugeot's flagship model, similar to what the S class is.
@@EinkOLED it's a DS. But I get what you're saying
@@EinkOLED still doesn't make it a competitor to the S-class. By that logic the Miata is Mazda's fastest roadster, therefore is a competitor to the 911 Turbo S. Utter bollocks.
Spot on.
It's clearly a size down from the S-Class and in no way is it a competitor to that car.
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I have a Peugeot 508, various parts on this look the same, even the front thang light design. Guessing they used that as the basis on the DS9 since it's part of the same group. If you can't afford a DS9 the Peugeot 508 is definitely one to look at!
It's built on the same platform, they just extended the wheel base and the DS perks. But under the skin it's a 508. Same as my DS7 is the same as 3008/5008. Some parts are the same, and engine/gears are same.
@@MarkLaingold oh I didn't know that about the DS7. Always loved the DS7, DS do feel and look a lot more luxury. However Peugeot still has a sense of luxury and design.
Wish the DS9 had a hatchback boot however, feel that would've made it a bit more practical, like the 508 has
Peugeot 508 is better because firstly, it doesnt look as much like a toyota, its cheaper and it isnt made in china or "assembled"
But. The thing is Peugoet is all in all trash.
French cars really sucks 😆
10:09 pure gold! 😂😂😂
You can sense the Peugeot 508 feel in the interior there ,especially with that gear selector.
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It's more like an E Class rival, not a S Class rival.
Yeah, it's S class space with E class money.
I'm pretty sure that if you find yourself in a Mercedes showroom you won't find yourself in a DS showroom unless you are lost
@@nelsonclub7722 Excellent 😊
Exactly.
The DS9 is in no way comparable to an S class.
It's a nice enough car, but it exists to fight the E Class.
went for the wrong version, the opera version had ventilated and massage seats at the back and they are lovely
Yeah. I'm not sure about the white color and thin wheels as well.
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45k for a non-hybrid 1.6l engine? What crazy times we are living at.
Koenigsegg Gemera is £2m with 2.0l 3-cylinder twin-turbo engine, okay it has 3 electric motors, but still….. 😂😂
@Teamgeist no, it's much cheaper. For 40k you have 2.0 tsi engine not that pathetic 1.6.
@@TheEryk03 keep in mind that DS is considered as a premium brand whereas VW...... So fair enough for the price
@Teamgeist 2.0 TSI much better than 1.6 THP.
@@luigiyang7268 and premium brand have 1.6 liter and non premium 2.0 XD
That’s great Mat ! I’ve already waited for this car because I really enjoy DS making proper cars so France got some finally
yes but the front looks like an audi A8
Alpine already makes proper cars lol
The fuel door is because it is a pressurized system and has to balance the pressures. Same thing on the Jeep 4xe, and putting your gas cap on can give you a CEL and cause limp mode. Progress!
@@09feb1992 I’m just going off the 4xe Jeep products. Out of the Wrangler line-up, they have the only fuel door that can have that odd delay, and has a special button you have to press to unlock it.
And I should have clarified, putting the cap on wrong causes a CEL.
Fuel tank is pressurised as it’s a plug in hybrid, using a NIRCO system, the system has to depressurise separately, virtually all plug ins require a separate button to unlock the fuel door
interesting, i thought it's because ppl might steal your fuel if its unlocked, no one will steal your electricity lol
On the center console I just think of one spilled drink will ruin that and will look rubbish from then on. Plus would it collect things like lint and dirt? Looks pretty but not sure how practical.
Yeah it seems Skodas start/stop button is in the right place then!
I literally doesn't have any words to say that how i much eagerly waiting for this thank-you vey much cawow ❤
I think DS9 has a great desing. I really love it overall this car. Hello from Turkey.
"Performance line" Any modern car that takes nearly 9 seconds to get to 60 does not deserve to wear such a badge.
it's named "performance LINE"... in automotive world this means standard car with "sporty trim accessories"... so, not GT, but GT line or, like "Audi A4 S line" and not "Audi S4" 😉
I'm so happy happy to see a saloon (read limousine) car,small SUV cars are killing me
So get a big suv
I have the impression that speaking well of a French car is a sin on this channel. this car is made to compete with the German ones, but in this video he presents one of the less luxurious versions. It is sure that when we compare them to the high-end German model presented each time, yes they look less good the French ones
Totally agree, they picked the worst trim for this car, when usually they would present the "top of the line" model
@@undercovercucumber7345 On the other hand, these reviews are more useful. YOu know what you get and these are usually the most balanced versions of the cars and the ones you end up buying. What good is they present some 400HP variant with 40k$ optioned on it?
I imagine he tested what Citroen marketing gave him.
@@an-dr6eu then why do they do it then for the german cars???
Nothing really surprising from a rotten English jerk. They are bitter. In 2022, French manufacturing and quality process is at the top.The DS7 SUV is one of the most efficient on the market, for instance. French automakers are still ranked in the world top 10, while English automotive industry doesn't almost exists anymore, for instance.
Amazing amazing car,peugeots and ds's are so beautiful cars
it looks great both on the inside and outside, the problem is it's a very small displacement engine for a car of that size 1.6L is for small crossovers, compact sedans or hatchbacks
Agree with this.
1.6L seems too small for a car of this size.
It’s made for fuel efficiency
It’s not as bad as it seems. Mercedes use 1.8
@@gribbles1146 no they don't not in the s class I'm not sure they do in the e class
@@dietznutz1 not in the s class. This DS9 is not a s class competitor.
Not this time; but I come from a time when Citroen made awesome cars. I've owned a Traction V8 Familiale, a DS23 Pallas, a DS23 Presidential, a CX2400 Familliale, a CX2400 Sedan, and an amazing DS23 Grande Velo (6 wheeled estate). My last Citroen was a C6 V6 Saloon. Great cars all; but now I'm on my 7th Lexus, a "breathed-on" GS300 SE-L. Lexus did the upgrade and it is simply incredible. Very very comfortable, silent, utterly reliable and FAST!
Nuff said
The fact that so many far more expensive cars still don't have double glazing is astonishing, even the 2009 C5 had it in all but the rear window.
Its nice but I wish it didn’t look so conventional. I want to see a modern take of the DS
Matt, whiles your are on “dses”, please do a review of the the ds 4.
It would be a lot more popular, especially to fleet owners if it offered the 2.0 HDi engine!
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Problem is it becomes increasingly expensive to produce a car with worse fuel economy and regulations keep getting tighter so companies are just doing away with big engine offerings for most cars, there's no need for them to spend the extra and justify it to the important people so they just don't bother
Target market also doesn't seem to be those people, I'm thinking more midlife crisis/middle-aged man with 1-2 kids and likes the idea of a new business looking car, but also is a bit tight and doesn't like fuel prices ect, my dad likes this and that's him in a nutshell
Even the 200hp 2.2L hdi with a manual transmission
@@robert_gasser a manual? Doubt people would buy a manual in an executive car that’s supposedly like a 5 series and e class competitor
@@youraveragejoe1 but idk if you already tried but PSA can't make a good automatic transmission. They're really jerky and have a mind of their own. They tend to completely ruin the drivability and dynamic on mountain roads even in manual gear selection mode
I had 2 large Citroens as company cars back in the day, I didn't choose them but I really liked then...great to drive an very comfortable....I'd have one any day
2:23 ‘Design for design’s sake’ … That’s what art is defined by, which is serving no purpose except its own.
Please compare this to the new Dacia Duster!
Hell yeah, in less than five years I'll be able to drive a car that I actually like for a price of a new Sandero
@DOLLY PRANE I know exactly what I'm talking about, and I am specifically saying it because of the French used market. You can buy a Peugeot 407 in decent shape for under a grand, but you can't buy a 3 series or a B6 Passat for twice the price in the same condition. Oh, and don't get me started on Škoda's, the second gen Škoda is nowhere to be found under 4 grand, whilst a 508 can be bought for 2.5k
Hats of to DS for producing something a bit different, but long term ownership like Mercedes would probably end up being disappointing due to average reliability and customer service. For long term ownership there is only one genuine "luxury" brand and my money would be spent on a Lexus.
We don't know how reliable the DS9 really is - the car just came out.
Lexus isn't much worse then BMW in the last 5years - BMW got better, and Lexus, some engines got worse.
The only car brand I wouldn't touch is Audi/VW - the engines are horrendous.
@@ldorman known issues with lots of BMW and VW engines, no wonder people buy Hondas and Toyotas
@@richiebtime489
the 2.0 TFSI from Audi/VW is terrible.
BMW 4pot engines aren't the best either - the good engines from BMW are the inline 6.
Mercedes is the best regarding Luxurious experience, Lexus is totally outdated Technology that’s why they are reliable because there is nothing to fail. And as long as you bring your Mercedes to the annual maintenance you have nothing to worry about these days. If you have money for a 150k Mercedes s class u also take care of it.
@@purplefabian
I wouldn't spend 150k on a Mercedes.
It is also not the best.
Mercedes regarding quality peaked in the 80s just like Kirstie Alley.
I come from a Mercedes family and my father for a short time went BMW and Jaguar in the 90s and the car in the end he fall in love with was a LS400 after owning for only 6 months an S500.
He drove the Lexus of a friend of his for a few hundred km trough Germany and that was it for him.
If you can afford a Mercedes on leasing or on finance for a few years, they OK, but as a long term companion you can forget them.
Since the W220 the air suspension keeps failing - if you buy any 6+ year old Benz with a.s. and you can't find any information regarding it was serviced you driving a ticking time bomb.
Mercedes customer service - horrendous; only the last 10years they started to get better, however I still hear stories from friends and family who own them what beggars believe.
Would love one of these in a few years. Good to see the French making a saloon again, despite it being made in Chinya.
Even the badge is subtle and tastefully designed.
I love the peugeot 508 and I see no reason to prefer an DS9 to 508. Imo sometimes the 508 looks more confident and has a good balance between elegance and sportive
Agree, it’s also cheaper so I see no reason to buy this over the 508
The DS9 is only available as a high end car and as such, it is similarly priced to the top of the range 508 PSE, which uses the same running gear as the dual motor DS9 E-Tense.
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will you talk about the new renault megane ,arkana and austral, would be great to watch it
The nice thing with french cars is, the garage manager will be one your best friend during the guarantee time. Believe me, i had one
could you please do a review on the brand new refreshed DS DS4 Cross?
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I can't understand how they managed to set up the hybrid system that bad!
There's enough knowledge in the industry.
6:37 because you can steal fuel if you leave your car unlocked by accident but you can’t steal electricity also it might be because you’d use the battery port more frequent than the gas one
But it was still locked even with the car unlocked, he had to press a button (repeatedly) to open it.
@@Xenon0000000000001 my guess is that you can steal fuel but you can’t steal electricity that’s why they’ve done that
That’s a nice looking car. I bet it looks better in real life too.
More like a French's version of Vauxhall Insignia.
Doesn't look high end enough. Still a good car none the less.
Crazy how many parts this one shares with my 208 GT. Almost feels at home to me 😄
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They should've put a bigger engine inside and paired it with the electric motors, they could've borrowed one from either Alfa, Maserati, or Chrysler. This'll never be a proper competitor for other luxury cars because it has an engine from an economy car. Sad really, because I think it's really nice in general otherwise.
Given how much France tax petrol/diesel cars, French people don’t want/need bigger engines. Also given how many speed cameras there are, what do you need 300hp for!? Finally have you seen the price of petrol!? Add to that those euro norms for pollution and you know why they put small engines in cars
@@stephgel so you’re saying why do you need fillet when you can have rump? 😅
@@SF-rs3xm soon it’ll be why do you need rump when you can eat your own hand!
@@stephgel you ask what you need 300HP for, but this car's about as fast as 150HP midsize hatchbacks. Just some food for thought.
300HP really isn't that much on such a heavy car.
@@xIcarus227 So get the 360 hp version??
Hi. I like a test drive on a car, but I noticed that there is no review for one car, namely the Lincoln MKZ and the aviator, or, in general, for a som brand of car. Hope to see in the future.
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Shortlisting this and a ES.
A car doesn't have to be sporty to be a plasure to drive, and the DS9 proves this like nothing apart from a Rolls Royce.
It glides on the road, the leather is sumptuous and *everywhere*, I mean, *everywhere*. The Focal 18 speaker system is bang on for Sound Quality, the paint finishes are lightyears better than any BMW (and only cost €900 for the most expensive) and a fully loaded DS9 with 7 years of unlimited warranty and maintenance cost just €75.000 - that's base E-class money.
Any DS just feels different, they take you to Paris without even leaving the garage. Even the window switches are gorgeous and not shared with any other car. Why? Because it looks good. That, the germans cannot do.
DS, like Genesis, really is the new Lexus. The entire company questions the way we do luxury cars, it's a breath of fresh air, and honestly, I want to be a part of their story. Like Citroen was weird in an interesting and appealing way decades ago, so is DS now.
The laggy satnav, the bad-ish graphics and dimwitted transmition are all forgivable in the name of every drive being an event, just as with a 4.2 Quattroporte or an XM or CX.
Seriously, visit a DS store and truly drink in any of their offerings. Then, go to an Audi dealership and buy one instead...
... I don't think I could.
“Normally I’d love another 69” lmao 😂
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What the fuck?????
looks stunning and beautiful, the inside is insane :-))))
To be honest, it looks so elegant and unique outside (especially in front) ppl who don’t know woulda mistake it for a very luxury car (like Bentley for ex) 🤣, inside it’s fine too nice tech it has all you need (atleast for me)
That's maybe the best looking DS right now.
Thank you PCP Peasants! We're now over £40k for a family car a Working Class person should be able to purchase on a years salary, not many W/C people are in the highest tax band throughout the country! Thought of spending 40-50k and watching a 5 figure sum disappearing every year before it's 1st MOT won't be my money, talking at least £40 per day disappearing based on the 5 day working week(after tax/NI), certainly my boss into going to up my wages that amount...I'll stick to buying old cars at auction(current 308HDi was £140 out the door, would trust it to go to Spain tomorrow, less than 3 days top line).
I love Citroen quirkiness, we need more non-German cars - that clock for is a nice example, on the other hand, those headlights will render this uneconomical to repair following the smallest accident.
There are enough non German car brands in Europe. You're living on Mars
Better than S-Class? No way. For the price I would say better than the E-Class
honestly, i wouldnt even say its better than e-class, i dont know why, but i feel like despite throwing all the expensive materials into that interior, it still feels cheap... and that engine too, now you dont need to only charge it for over an hour, you also have to normally tank it :(
Not saying its bad tho, just that there are much better alternatives
I’m guessing you’ve never been in an E class? Same price but quicker, more luxurious feeling, looks more elegant and it’s got the badge prestige. I’d assume better to drive too
Of course I would take DS9 over S-Class. I save alot of money, still driving with comfort and premium feeling inside. And I don´t need to be scared that much of breakdowns and maintenance costs like with Germas which can make you go bust! German Era is unfortunately over in terms of making luxurious cars with great reliability.
I think the car market still says differently with premium German cars still being top sellers. I’ve owned German premium brands in the past, never had a single breakdown, but I’ll agree the main dealer servicing costs are frightening. The depreciation on this will be horrendous.
So in short I will get a lot of cars if I buy the DS,i really like that idea,
I will say it's is the sexiest car with an errection clock and big hole USB,I prefer it with 2.0L engine with 250ish horse power without the complexity of the hybrid system and added weight.
Most people who drive this car won’t be remotely interested in feeling through the steering wheel , they won’t be interested in going round corners as fast as possible , they just want to be comfortable.
Big 1.6 liter engine won't make this an A class, let alone S class.
for a family sedan, I prefer fuel efficiency over horsepower.
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Lovely looking car. I think however it's about time Citroën updated their indicator and wiper stalks, they've looked the same now for about 10 years I think it is
What's the issue with USB-A ports? I mean, most phones come with USB-A to USB-C cables (or lightning for iPhones). Even if they don't, those cables are cheap, and also to plug a USB stick, 99% of them are regular USB type A.
It would be cool if Genesis brought the G90 to Europe so that a comparison test will be made.
I think this would compare more to a G70
@@nomad6-1 g80 more like it this looks closer to 5 series and e class size than s or c class size
I would like to see a drag race between the ds 9 and the Mercedes e class
How does the road surface scanning work at night, and in the rain? A Genesis GV80 reviewer said it's system didn't work as well in those conditions. If that's the case, it's a bit of a gimmick IMHO.
it works perfectly
£40k for a Citroën with a fancy name 🤣
Fuel door is locked, because in hybrid, there is high pressure in fuel tank and that must be released before opening fuel cap. Car will release pressure when unlock button is pressed and then opens fuel door.
Next days I will go to Review it as well. Lovely car 👍👍
It doesn't compete with the S class, it's the size of an E class, but cheaper
It’s the same price as the E class. How is it cheaper ?
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Please make a video about the Peugeot 508 PSE!!!
Ds 9 looks cool. I like E-class and XF in that segment now I like DS also 👍😎
@jemimallah Hehehe. How funny 👏👏
Then what segment it is in??
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Love French cars, but no it isn't a S Class and depreciation will be catastrophic. Don't know why Citroën every decade or so decide to build a luxury car, they should do what Renault do and build cars for masses.
They picked the worst version of the car to be honest. You can get much better interior than what they showed here
It's more of an E-Class competitor. A modern day C6 to an extent
Depreciation is catastrophic on all cars... Especially on high end luxury cars like the S Class. So whats the point?
And who the hell buys cars worrying about depreciation? We're getting more americanized each passing moment... Buy the car you frikin like/need and drive it to the ground. By the end of their lifecycle, all cars will be worthless, and selling a car as an only owner will always lose you money.
@@an-dr6eu i think everyone sensible with their money is concerned about depreciation. At least a little. And every few people will keep a car for 20 years and run it into the ground which will make it expansive to look after and outdated
actually almost all phone chargers still go from usb type A (the 'normal' usb) to type-C
so usb type A is actually the better option for now
Thats true my X3 has 1 type A and several type C's where I had to hunt around for an adapter cable (or pay absolutely through the nose for the BMW one !)
I'd agree but type c is more future proof.
Way I'd look at it is if you can spend 40k on a car you can afford a USB c cable end to end for tenner...
And it'd be a nice one for that money!
@@T_Perkins You can afford that even if you spend 10k for one. Thats not the issue. Its the inconvenience of using a connector which needs a cable barely used by anyone. Instead of asking everyone to just bring their standard charging cables with them if they want to use the car ports, youd have to go and buy 2 pairs of them and store them in the car just for this purpose
@@T_Perkins how is it more future proof?
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Definitely not an S Class rival. Given this starts at £40k and so does an E Class... I know which I'd rather have! I've driven a basic E Class and it was very good.
This seems a bit basic 5 series.
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I had a 2007 Citroen C6 amazing car and also an amazingly unreliable car.
The era when French cars were rubbish
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10:10 that is a straight face his puling haha
It will be a nightmare to own soon as the warranty runs out.
The depreciation will be horrific, it will go wrong constantly especially with electrical issues, and be worth nothing in 10 years.
Then in 20 years they will be such a rarity the price will rocket again for the few remaining survivors !
@DOLLY PRANE Yes you're correct, the British motor industry is extinct really.
Only Lotus and a few small marques left.
My comment was based on experience (I work in the motor trade, and actually worked previously for a dealership which sold Citroen & Peugeot brands. The amount of recalls and quality issues were pretty bad.
I also worked for Hyundai who were levels above in quality.
I now work selling old Triumph & MG car parts for 60's/70's cars, and I'm thankful they were so shockingly bad as it keeps me in a job :-))
The fuel tank pressure release button is normal among PHEV.
Hi Mat, Could you add on to your review a driver sun-blind. What I realised not many manufactures instal a good sun-blinds, sometimes scratching your forehead eg. KIA Ceed (a doubly pleasure when I rent it out abroad) or when you turn to the side is not covering at all - majority of the time is too short. So far Subaru sort the problem out. We really likes your reviews :)
i am exploring the world of french cars (not only the half german Bugatti) starting with citroen, and this is actually fine
Citroens depreciate very fast, at 3 years old you will struggle to get enough for one
to cover the deposit on your next car, unless it is another Citroen, which from my experience
of them is very unlikely.
The iffy build quality like the poor alignment of the bonnet strip and badge are just typical.
All you can do is buy another badge and fit it correctly yourself, the jammed fuel cap is again
a typical quirk that is not funny when all you want to do is get home.
So which car would i choose, a Mercedes, but an E class estate not the S Class.