It was for these very reason that in times past, people would "braek bread" together . It was euphemistically seen as sharing. But the purpose was to establish mutual trust by verification.
GUILTY! Erin wanted to take out the family of the husband and him too probably. Separate meal for her and her kids?! Bought the bad mushrooms at the store?! You've got to be kidding me!!! A real sicko.
she is guilty as sin it's self, she lied about eating the mushrooms, at the hospital they knew she was not poisoned or showed no signs of being poisoned so they sent her home and gave her some pills for her liver to allay her fake fears, she will go down for this i hope !!!
Is this guy serious? Quote "Everyone knows supermarkets mark the mushrooms fatal & not fatal" 😳 Who would buy the fatal ones? Why would they be selling them? Ridiculous statement 😆
@@freespirit1411it took a bit for me to pick up on his sense of humor. At first I was thinking who is this monotone weirdo, but soon realized he's actually quite funny. Driest humor on the internet...
8:56 mark, “Simon has indicated he has no intention to reunite with Erin. This may be because Simon has a desire to… continue living.” Smoothest passive aggressive burn 🏆
I cook meat very well (and have taken meat science classes in university, from raising the livestock all the way to serving it), and I'm a vegetarian with vegan inclinations. I cook it for family events when requested a couple times a year. When I started, my very carnivorous best friend (now fiancée) would taste test it for me and clean up the leavings with my dogs. I'm at the point where taste testing is no longer required, since the results are consistent. If I change anything, it's because I'm following personal feedback, a suggestion, or a new and improved method that is backed up by biology and the science of processing skeletal muscle for consumption. I'm not defending her. I'm just saying.
@@Nylak-Otter You took culinary classes and you're a vegetarian so that alone makes sense why you don't taste test. She's neither so it makes no sense 👎
@@GameChanger597 I was providing an example to answer the question, not a solution to the situation. I also said I wasn't defending her. If I were to get scenario-specific, I might argue that she possibly dislikes beef, but happened to know that it was a family favorite of her ex's. 🤷♀️ Without more information, I feel like that would be a bold assumption for me to suggest, though. Who knows what (if anything) was going through her head. 😅 (Also, it wasn't really a culinary class; it was for my animal science degree, since I specialized in domesticated animal behavior and livestock reproduction. I'm a terrible cook except for meat now, much to my disappointment. Although apparently I can cook tofu to taste and feel just like chicken! 🤣)
The fact that she claims she bought them in a store is all the proof i need to know she is a lying liar who is also a murderer. Had she said she picked them herself and it was a horrific accident that would be believable.
Eh, not necessarily. It's not difficult to imagine somebody who's made such a grave mistake trying to cast blame elsewhere for one reason or another. Not proof of intent.
@@TheBlackDeath3 It might make sense to try to shift the blame on to somebody else but to blame a store is the height of stupidity because such a thing is so easy to check.
@@TheBlackDeath3 It's excruciatingly obvious she intentionally murdered them and the fact the cops can't put 2 and 2 together is astounding not to mention incredibly dense 🤦🏽♀️
Todds sense of humor slaps. it comes out of nowhere without even a slight change of his very serious tone. sometimes u have to wonder if he actually just said it.
She reminds me of Kathy Bates character in Misery. Here is a question ? How did the parents die. It seems unusual they are both dead. Erin is only in her 40s. Detectives need to go right into her past. Hey Hollywood, this would make a block buster of a movie.
Which means her parents were likely in their 60s or older. Things like heart problems, diabetes, and cancer can all start in the 50s and even younger. Before modern medicine, a lot of people died at a younger age. Modern medicine can't make everybody live longer.
I’m in Melbourne, this is a huge case and thank you for bringing all the information together. News tonight advised that the Pastor is now in a stable position.
Dr Grande - just to inform you that this incident occurred in the winter of 2023 here in Australia not the summer as you stated at the beginning of your video. Our winters here are June, July and August. Thank you for your very interesting videos.
Oi crikey you're living in the upside down on the counterweight continent. I'd ask if yee evah seen no monstahs then I remember it's Australia and that's called going outside innit? I guess you got some of them funny time birds and I don't mean the giant ones that try and eat yah.
One small correction Dr G. Here in Australia, July isn't summer, but winter. I always enjoy your videos, humour and perspective on cases. Thanks for all the effort you put into your material.
The fact that she refused to answer key questions such as where the mushrooms came from, and why she and her children ate a different meal, is highly suspicious.
@@hrhtreeoflife4815 It's weird that NONE of them ate any of what the guests ate. And it was actually beef wellington pie. Don't most kids love pie. The mother is 48 too so I'd doubt the children are fussy little toddlers.
I believe there also needs to be an investigation into Erin’s parents deaths in 2019, unless they were in a fatal accident both parents dying in the same year is unusual.
There are two categories of mushroom poisoning incident: Incidents where the chef eats the food, and incidents where they dont. Every incident where they dont has turned out to be a murder in my personal experience.
Kinda unfortunate. MY partner enjoys mushrooms, me much less so. I'm skeeved out by them. So I could see myself making beef and mushrooms for a dinner but sticking to my chicken mushu sabs mushrooms.
Death Angel mushrooms. Curiously, most homicides by poisoning are done by women. The fact that she and her children avoided the "laced" dish speaks of homicidal intent.
But also… some people don’t like mushrooms, like truly hate them. I still cook things I don’t like all the time for friends and family bc I love cooking but I won’t eat that dish and eat the rest.
But she would have gotten caught too easily if she had done it on purpose. So I don’t think she meant to kill them . But I do think that she likely meant to make them sick (Munchausen’s bi-proxy). Her husband got critically ill while with her in April 2022. Maybe she enjoyed the drama, liked attending to him and feeling needed by him.
I hope the police is also looking into her parents' death and how her ex husband was hospitalized with similar symptoms before. This woman is sussy af.
Yeah I thought the same especially since she inherited it. Would not be surprised if she invited her husband & fam to get rid of them in one fell swoop
I live in Australia and this case has been all over the news. However I still got more information from you than the media has released. Thank you Dr Grande 👏
I personally think Erin wanting to get back with her ex and getting everyone together because of it was just a ruse to get them all round to eat her mushrooms, including the ex. The fact she and her children did not eat the mushrooms speaks volumes. When I cook for a group, I usually cook something everyone can/will eat so the fact the most important people to her (her kids and herself) did not eat it and were the ONLY people not to eat it is very odd. The fact she lied about buying the shrooms at a grocery store is a red flag - unless she can provide some reciept, I call BS. Guilty af imo.
She didn't buy them at a supermarket. We have strict food regulations in Australia and NZ. Most supermarkets only sell commercially grown white button mushrooms and brown field mushrooms. Amanita phalloides does not look like either of those. I've never heard of Amanita phalloides contaminating batches of commercially grown mushrooms. It doesn't like that substrate. Some supermarkets are branching out and selling a few specialty types of fungi. Again, they're commercially grown and don't resemble Amanita phalloides. Other people would've almost certainly become sick if the mushrooms were purchased from a store too. This mushroom grows in the wild. Typically under pine trees. It's common to find them in the area where Erin lives
I think there are a lot of coincidences here that strongly suggest she intended to prepare a killer meal. Had it been accidental she would have eaten them herself. Less suspicious that her children didn’t eat them, as children can be picky eaters, but highly suspicious she’d prepare a lunch that she herself did not intend to eat.
It might make sense to cook separate meals if, say, some guests are vegetarian or have certain allergies. Or it might make sense to serve two things at home when, say, there's only one hamburger left, so only one person can get that and the rest have to eat something else. You might also create several options for guests to choose from, which is considerate in a way. But it's VERY weird to randomly serve some people one batch of food and other people a completely separate dish -- this would only sow disunity and be twice the work!
“This may because he has a desire to continue living”… that’s why I’m going to avoid to mushroom foragers… they seem all cute and quirky with their baskets filled with mushrooms but their hearts are filled with HATE. 😂
Her husband was in a coma 12 months ago with similar symptoms. She must have bought store bought mushrooms back then too. Interestingly when she told the police she bought them from the shop they didnt do a recall on the mushrooms so it sounds like the police dont believe her
@@bthomsonWhat do you mean why a lunch? People often get together for meals. I don't know where you live, but weekend lunches are a common form of social get together in Australia.
Some kids won't eat stews, especially neurodiverse kids. It's not that uncommon to give them chicken nuggets while the grown ups eat something else. The fact that Erin ate a different meal is more suspicious.
Wow! I’m so impressed that you are onto this case so quickly! I will just add that here in Australia we are still in our winter, so for us it occurred in Winter of 2023. You’ve unearthed so much more information than is covered in our news, and it’s added valuable insight. Thank you Dr. G. ❤
@@burnyizland Winter is Winter, regardless of the temperature. Ever been to Florida at Christmas time? In the Southern Hemisphere the seasons are the opposite to the Northern Hemisphere.
@@richardnolan3903 Well that was unnecessarily snarky. And uninformative. I wasn't disagreeing with the seasons being opposite to North America's - I'm a geography major for C's sake. Just curious. No need for you to act like a child.
@@burnyizland I don't know why Dick had to be so rude to you. He doesn't seem to know himself anyway and appears to have made assumptions. I'm a Kiwi however I have lived in Australia as well as travelled there quite a bit so I can answer, which is there's no one answer for all of the country. Much of the Northern Territory for instance doesn't really have seasons like Summer, Winter, etc, but has the Wet season, the Dry season, and the Buildup. The months which would be considered Winter it stays hot every day with the temperate at about 30 degrees celcius. And then in other parts there's actually mountains and ski fields. Millions of houses do require heating in Winter as it does get that cold in much of it.
My work colleague had lost her sister in law to one of these poisonous mushrooms, and her brother was in a fatal condition. The wife was very much into wild mushrooms and was very knowledgeable, she'd go off mushroom picking this day as she had for years and collected her mushrooms for a dinner she was preparing for her family. She absolutely adored her husband and their children and would often arrange meal gatherings. On this particular occasion she prepared the lunch only to receive a call that her family couldn't make it to lunch and would rearrange. However, her husband said that they would still eat the meal since she'd prepared it. Hours later the wife was seriously ill with nausea and stomach pain, her husband called the emergency services who told him NOT to induce vomiting. Unfortunately this was a big mistake as vomiting would have helped to release some of the toxins frim her stomach. She was rushed to hospital but sadly died. Her husband within hours would also become very sick too and was rushed into ED. He survived thankfully but has never recovered psychologically. Even though she knew her mushrooms, she'd picked some that looked like ones she'd normally eat not realising they weren't. It was so tragic.
@@nicolesamsonitefor most poisonings it's not the correct thing to do for some reason that I don't know. Maybe they are worried it can be aspirated and cause further complications getting it into your lungs and airways.
I noticed in the video that when she appeared to be crying, there were no tears. At one point, she rubbed her eyes and glanced at her hands afterwards - why would someone do that unless they’re checking to see if they’re making tears?
I know she’s guilty, but in regards to your comment, when I cry I check my hands if I use them to make sure I don’t have makeup or an eyelash, debris, things of that sort. That could’ve been why she checked them. Either way I hope she spends her life in prison.
She should have said she foraged them herself and due to inexperience accidently picked death caps. It would have still gotten her a charge, but not murder. When she tried to claim they came from a store, she was immediately made into a murderer, because stores don't sell death caps. She may have gotten involuntary manslaughter or negligent homicide.
Agreed. It would have still looked dodgy since they've grown on her property for a long time and it is apparently the first time she suddenly decided to go and pick them and use them in a meal neither she nor her children touched (if ignore the ex husband getting very sick for a moment), but it would make her appear to be less of a liar and added some doubt to her intentions.
Certainly, however criminals do not think the way we do, which is why we do not commit crimes. For example the average person thinks from point a to point bbto point c, the criminal thinks only from point a to point b, I want to steal, murder, whatever, and then to how they will do it. See how many look shocked or angry etc. when faced with concequences.
She definitely is a serial killer.... This isn't accidental... She knew exactly what she was doing. Feeding her children something diff ( along with herself) proves it was intentional
@penderyn8794She also threw out the cooking device she cooked the meal with which was found at the local tip AND she hated the step mother cursing her in public so there's a possible motive.
Not to be a nit picked but I think she is technically a mass murdere. IDK what the death total requirement is to meet the definition ( I think its 4). But serial killers are killers of 3 or more people people with an emotional cooling down between kills.
Death Cap mushrooms are mycorrhizal, growing symbiotically with the roots of oak trees. They typically sprout underneath the edge of the oak canopy. Due to a large root systems Death Caps can be found aways from the trunk. The cap has a yellow to greenish sheen that can vary to olive or brown hue. Gills and spores are white, small bulbous cup at the base and remnants of a skirt on the stipe. Other mushrooms may have similar coloring but none grow symbiotically with oak. All commercial growers would easily be able to spot the Death Cap and I bet youd be hard pressed to find an example. There is now an antidote called Silibinin an extract of milk thistle seeds, along with gastric decontamination. A deadly dose is 0.1 milligrams for every kilo of weight. With all this info and what appeared to be fake crying, makes her look like she is lying. Excuse the rant 👍🤙👌✌️🕊
@Drak976 She has been classed as an expert forager, I think that will be her downfall. Yes there are some sad people. Hope you have an awesome day 👋 😀 😊
@maryhayes3177 Thankyou 😊 Mushrooms are such a valuable source of food and medicine. What she did was wicked and she was able to mask it by dehydrating it. I am so sad for her children and all those close to them. I hope you have a wonderful day 💗 I actually never expected anyone to reply.
Yea, that was pleasantly unexpected, even from an American's point of view (p.o.v.,) As pleasantly unexpected as when you hear a French person properly pronounce croissant 😅
Death cap mushrooms are found in the forest not in a supermarket in Australia. Erin knows she's poisoned them and she's panicked and its extremely suspicious that her and her children didnt have the same meal. Her ex husband has had experienced the same symptoms and was hospitalised.I would say the police will be arresting her after finding the dehydrator. Thanks Dr Grande for your hard work and I love your channel and analysis and this woman erin is a serial killer she shows no remorse. Pretends cry when being interviewed about these pillar of the community couples that were always kind and well liked by everyone. Something doesn't add up and her ex husband wouldn't have had the same symptoms and hospitalised if shes innocent. He was lucky to of survived and can recount his story to the police. Also her parents death.
"Everyone knows that supermarkets clearly mark their mushrooms as fatal and non-fatal..." Love it and proves that even doctors have a great sense of humour ! 🙂
Perhaps. But the timing is terrible. These people JUST DIED and are being mourned by real people who are hurting. I love humor but this vid was tasteless and I'm surprised he posted it.
I have never in my long life heard of a store labeling their produce "fatal"...🤤😨. Why in the world carry a product in the first place that may kill people.? We live in the 21st century, and that sounds suspect.
@@alangknowles My dad makes this joke, except he says "my first 4 wives died of mushroom poisoning, the 5th died of gunshot wounds because she wouldn't eat her mushrooms."
I'm pretty sure she planned on killing all of them, including the ex. She never planned on reuniting. She should be in prison for 3 homicides, or is it 4? It's unbelievable that she is still walking free right now.
I'm from Aust. Erin said she purchased the mushrooms from a shop in Melbourne. But she can't recall what shop or even what suburb the shop was in. She said she gave her children the left over Beef Wellington the next day, but scraped off the mushrooms, as the kids didn't like them. But she cudn't have scraped off the poisonous juices, I don't believe that one for a minute. Also it was known that she wanted to keep the house she was living in. I looked very very hard at the videos of her "crying" & could not see a single tear, nor red eyes. I have trouble speaking when crying from grief, but she easily spoke quite well while she was "crying". Everyone in Aust thinks she's guilty, I think because her body language & her "grief" face are off. It's off because it's not real. I laughed out loud several times during your excellent analysis. 😅 The deaths of those poor people was an extremely cowardly despicable act. They died horribly.
Supermarkets tend to avoid selling killer shrooms. They don’t get much in the way of repeat business. But those death cap mushies are readily found just foraging in your own yard at certain times of year. Loved the alliteration at the end btw. Marvellously memorable!
Death cap mushrooms are perfect for poisoning ..the odd thing is that she lied about where she got them from, may have form, and she avoided the mushrooms along with her kids...it's really weird
Oh yeah that’s sketch. Maybe she avoided them bc she doesn’t like them? A lot of people hate mushrooms but will cook them for fellow mush lovers (like me) and she might be a vegetable lover in general so enjoys picking veggies and eating them but doesn’t necessarily like eating all of them. I don’t like squash much but if my friend offers me a few veggies from her garden I always take a couple zucchini or eggplants bc my parents love it and I enjoy cooking for them so maybe that was the case? Mayyyybe.
Lol. I mean if you were gonna do it on purpose you’d at least eat a tiny bit so it wasn’t as suss. And literally just say you picked them. She’s clearly not the sharpest tool in the box. It’s pretty obvious they know she’s guilty of purposely feeding her guests them knowing the consequences
I think she prepared the meal as plan b in case Simon won't attend the meal. Therefore, she cooked two different dishes. When Simon called it off, she hit him hard by killing his family.
Just a reminder, I'm not diagnosing anyone this video. Only speculating on what could happen if someone tried to write an Agatha Christie novel in real time.
stefanstenroos6344 True that, how has this pseudo science expert got a bunch more info than the police or media have in Australia. O that's right he gets paid to muckrake.
We have a mushroom farm near our house. There is a mushroom forrager who sells at their market. I thought “this is probably the only time I’ll get to eat wild mushrooms in the safest conditions possible”. They were delicious but I’ll be honest, part of the time eating them I was freaking out “omg I’m going to die” and the other half of the time “it’s totally safe”.
*If the supermarket is responsible for this - why isn't she suing or even mad at them? As if supermarkets sell some of the most lethal mushrooms in the world. *These mushrooms grow during Autumn (March-May in Australia) but this happened in late July - meaning she picked them months ago - which means premeditation. The dehydrator is key here, especially since it was disposed of immediately, also pointing to guilt. *I kept waiting to hear about money/property that she would benefit to gain - but it actually sounds like she did it out of spite because his family didn't want her and her husband to be together. I imagine she thinks if she killed them all, they would no longer have influence on him, and he would have lost everyone so he would not only cling to any semblance of family he had left (her and her son), but would be so broken and need support which is where she would swoop in. Nutjob!
@@underratedunity1528 in a breakup, particularly at that age, you probably feel like you have nothing left to live for and if you're a vengeful person you want everyone to feel the same way
You always conclude with a delightfully witty flourish, Doc, but today you have surpassed yourself: that monumentally magnificent medley of multifarious M-words was marvellous!
It was Mushroom Mayhem - magical mushrooms, mistakenly making mysterious manifestations, masking malevolent murder; a morbid mystery meticulously deciphered by the magnificent detective Dr Grande
Wow, super clever, Doc, on that last synopsis of what happened! I didn't know there were so many "M" words but you puzzled them together in quite a brilliant fashion! Thanks for your hard work on all of your videos. So interesting!
Here we have a woman who loves unicorns. Perhaps she even sees unicorns, fairies, and rainbows after nibbling on a mushroom. Perhaps she thought that her dinner guests would simply hallucinate, and then agree to get Simon to take her back. So many questions about the mushroom factor remain...
The testing of packaged mushrooms, both imported & local in Australia is very stringent to avoid any poisonous ones. And there's no record of anybody ever being poisoned by dried packaged mushrooms. Surely there would have been many more cases of poisoning if she had bought them at an Asian grocery store as claimed. She then said she couldn't remember where the store was, and also disposed of a food dehydrator at the garbage dump a day after serving the deadly meal. She claimed to forget about having disposed of it.
Strange how her ex husband was admitted to hospital a year or so ago extremely ill with an undiagnosed stomach complaint. He ended up in a coma for days and nearly died.
More details than I've found anywhere in the states.. I live in Maryland. Imagine spending all of that time on beef wellington and not eating it.. not suspicious at all! Hmm, well unless you don't eat meat. This is so horrific and disturbing beyond words. Her parents died the same year? Interesting. Where on earth did she get these mushrooms?
If my husband asks for a divorce, it's fine . I refuse to humiliate myself by talking him into staying with me out if pity and I'd definitely not call his parents for negotiation especially if I know they don't like me. She's unhinged.
My husband works at Austin hospital where they were admitted and sadly passed away. He said, "You are going to hear about this on one of your true crime videos", and I had hoped that Dr Grande would cover it. I believe that it was Ian Wilkinson was going to have a liver transplant, but he did not make it.
This is such a devastating case. Poor kids. Leongatha is not too far from where I live, -this has reverberated & stunned, deeply saddened across a wide community.
I appreciate Dr. Grande's sly humor as much as his evaluations of these individuals. I think his jibes are even funnier because he never smiles when he's delivering them.
The dead pan delivery makes it impossible to tell if hes being serious or not. "Everyone knows Supermarkets label their mushrooms lethal and none lethal" 🤣
Heyyyy Dr. Grande😍! I've missed so many of your videos due to an unexpected family tragedy. However, I'm very thankful for you. Watching your videos always make me feel better. Thank you for all you do🙏❤️
Loved the final M part!!!!😂 ...Malevolent Mosaic of Maximal Mumbled Morbidity and Mesmerising Mishaps, all of these certainly are such Mental a case of Myriad Mingled Mysteries... a very witty style and that's exactly what investigating crime on TH-cam should look and sound like. Well done, once again ✔️
There was a big recall in Victoria about 6 months ago on packaged spinach leaves because several of the batches had become contaminated with Datura and a number of people became sick. Maybe this lady thought she could also make people think a similar thing had happened but with mushrooms.
I was going to point out that it's winter here at the moment and too cold for picking mushrooms...But the with her disposing of the Dehydrator (which could have been used to dehydrate the poisonous mushrooms during mushroom season) throughs a suspicious light on the situation.
Hello Dr Grande. I’m from Sydney Australia I didn’t know about this case I’ve been very sick for the past 10 days,but you’re a great narrator now I understand exactly what happened thank you for sharing this message with us, and giving me the opportunity to comment!? She sounds guilty to me simply because she didn’t eat the same meal she prepared for the family while she, and her children ate separate food now that’s very suspicious to me!? Buying the mushrooms from a grocery store is not possible there’s no way they will sell poisonous mushrooms, and besides there’s no other reports that other people have been poisoned, and died from it.? Life is a boomerang 🪃 mate it will comeback to hit you where it hurts the most, and one more thing I hope the CPS keep her children away from her coz I’m really worried about the kids we don’t know what she’s capable of doing next?? 🇦🇺👏❤️✌️🌎👋
Early 2000's I knew someone who got served poisonous mushrooms at a Berkeley, CA. restaurant. He ended up fine. That's all I recall. This woman is so guilty she's growing mold spores all over her.
Just a reminder, I'm not diagnosing anybody in this video; only speculating about how someone could get the Alice in Wonderland mushroom-eating story so wrong like this.
She knew she wasn't ever going to get back with her Ex, the "discussion" was just a way to get those people into one location. She murdered them. The investigators won't name her a suspect yet but they know she is
……cops are waiting on Toxicology results’………once received, she’ll be arrested. She isn’t the full quid. Her tv i/v was very telling. The Body Language Guy would have a ‘field’ day with it…………
Firstly, thanks for pronouncing Melbourne correctly. Second, thanks for covering this one. It’s an ongoing investigation and keeping everyone hooked in
Hi from Australia Dr Grande 👋 Im glad you covered this I actually got more information about this case from your analysis than I have from our local media. There were a couple of details you mentioned I wasn't aware of. I hate to rush to judgement I'm a big believer in "innocent until proven guilty" but this woman is suspicious as hell and she looks bat shit crazy too. It's a little too convenient that she and her kids didn't eat the same meal and that the ex had been sick with similar symptoms in the past but to me the most telling thing is actually her statement to police that she bought the mushrooms at the supermarket. There would have been multiple victims and a huge recall of stock if that were the case. If she had said she picked the mushrooms then there could be some doubt as to it being accidental but now we know almost for certain that she is lying and trying to conceal her intentions. They say as a murder weapon poison is more of a woman's pick. I think this is statistically and historically true or at least I have encountered many notorious cases of females using poison to dispatch enemies and relatives. Perhaps it is that females are less physically strong or less prone to physical violence and gore so they see poison as a practical solution but I actually think a slow drawn out death by poison has got to be one of the worst ways to go and a very cruel death to inflict on someone. It also speaks a lot to their pathology. It's like they get to set the stage and watch the death play out slowly...first they would intently watch for signs of sickness and then watch the whole tragedy as it escalates and unfold before them. To know they could seek help but chose not to intervene is extremely cold blooded. I imagine the perpetrator gets a huge sense of control over their victims in these situations.
I live a couple of hours away from where this happened and it’s been all over the news. I’ve watched many news stories but you summary gave lots of information that I didn’t know. Your summary matches my own. Also… It’s winter here… not summer.. we are upside down remember :)
@StephASMR I kept seeing this in the comments, and was wondering about it! That's honestly so fascinating to think I could avoid summer altogether by just going to Australia during the summer months here in the US! 😆 God, I'd love that. It's currently 80+ here in Pennsylvania, and the humidity leaves you sticky after even light yard work. I hate it. Now I'm going to look up what the average winter temps are like in AUS 😉 Maybe I'll visit one day.
I love your videos Dr Grande. And thank you for pronouncing Melbourne the Aussie way 😄 Just one thing .... July in Australia is the winter season, not summer
@@bnic9471 Ok sorry. But please note it's currently winter in Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Argentina, Chile, Southern Brazil and many more places. There is an entire hemisphere currently experiencing winter or "dry season" if it's the tropics. We also drive on the left side of the road and sit on the right side of the car in Australia & no driving on the left is not a "British" thing and actually has nothing to do with the British.
Her friends describe her as a grown woman and mother so naive and childlike that she still believes in unicorns. It would seem nearly impossible to find a clear motive in a mind like that.
It would be easy to find a motive in a mind like that - she's so naive she doesn't understand the gravity of death and killing people and hasn't fully thought out the consequences.
@@zoer7338But what parent hasn’t made different meals for their children when they are fickle eaters? I really don’t think she meant to kill her guests but I do think she meant to make them sick. I wonder if it was death cap mushrooms that made her husband critically ill last year. She may have enjoyed that he needed her while sick. The food dehydrator that went to to rubbish dump the next day is being tested. I wonder if dehydrating the mushrooms made their toxicity more concentrated and consequently she accidentally overdosed her guests. She is curiously artless and naive seeming.
@@TwistedSister1234 " what parent hasn’t made different meals for their children when they are fickle eaters?" Okay and what about her? What person makes a separate meal just for themselves and serves completely different food to their guests? That alone should have people decrying her guilt.
Her ex husband was admitted to hospital last year and almost died from food poisoning. Too many ‘coincidences ‘ in this story
And both her parents died mysteriously in 2019. She benefited financially from that... sus
@opallunar8824 omg and they went to lunch at hers? A disgruntled daughter in law, and grand kids were mysteriously sent to movies 🎬 😮
But he had 3 surgeries. You don't have surgery for food poisoning.
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You do if the toxin that you and just without knowing it has caused physical damage to your gut.
@wyldroselee6446 lllooolll organs rupture and tear and yes surgery is required. Erin is Autistic af!
What I learned from this: If your lunch host has a different plate of food, push away from the table.
And offer to swap meals, or share your plate with their kids and see how they react. 👀
It was for these very reason that in times past, people would "braek bread" together . It was euphemistically seen as sharing. But the purpose was to establish mutual trust by verification.
Exactly!!
Remember the scene from Princess Bride?
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I’ll have what she is having
I always pass over the "fatal mushrooms" section at the grocery store. I wonder why she grabbed them?
She needed to find a substitute for the sold out lethal mushrooms.
Maybe they were discounted
You guys are *funny*! 😅
That fatal part is a deal breaker for me too!!!!
Could they have been marked 'reduced'?
GUILTY! Erin wanted to take out the family of the husband and him too probably. Separate meal for her and her kids?! Bought the bad mushrooms at the store?! You've got to be kidding me!!! A real sicko.
she is guilty as sin it's self, she lied about eating the mushrooms, at the hospital they knew she was not poisoned or showed no signs of being poisoned so they sent her home and gave her some pills for her liver to allay her fake fears, she will go down for this i hope !!!
Is this guy serious? Quote "Everyone knows supermarkets mark the mushrooms fatal & not fatal" 😳 Who would buy the fatal ones? Why would they be selling them? Ridiculous statement 😆
@@freespirit1411 jokes bro, it was a joke
@@freespirit1411 LOL, you missed the dry/ironic humor there. :P
@@freespirit1411it took a bit for me to pick up on his sense of humor. At first I was thinking who is this monotone weirdo, but soon realized he's actually quite funny. Driest humor on the internet...
8:56 mark, “Simon has indicated he has no intention to reunite with Erin. This may be because Simon has a desire to… continue living.”
Smoothest passive aggressive burn 🏆
She didn’t even taste the food she was cooking ? Who serves a meal at a dinner party they themselves wouldn’t eat? guilty
I cook meat very well (and have taken meat science classes in university, from raising the livestock all the way to serving it), and I'm a vegetarian with vegan inclinations. I cook it for family events when requested a couple times a year. When I started, my very carnivorous best friend (now fiancée) would taste test it for me and clean up the leavings with my dogs.
I'm at the point where taste testing is no longer required, since the results are consistent. If I change anything, it's because I'm following personal feedback, a suggestion, or a new and improved method that is backed up by biology and the science of processing skeletal muscle for consumption.
I'm not defending her. I'm just saying.
Great question. As a cook I taste everything I make. Otherwise how would you know if it tastes good.
It's all so obvious...
@@Nylak-Otter You took culinary classes and you're a vegetarian so that alone makes sense why you don't taste test. She's neither so it makes no sense 👎
@@GameChanger597 I was providing an example to answer the question, not a solution to the situation. I also said I wasn't defending her.
If I were to get scenario-specific, I might argue that she possibly dislikes beef, but happened to know that it was a family favorite of her ex's. 🤷♀️ Without more information, I feel like that would be a bold assumption for me to suggest, though. Who knows what (if anything) was going through her head. 😅
(Also, it wasn't really a culinary class; it was for my animal science degree, since I specialized in domesticated animal behavior and livestock reproduction. I'm a terrible cook except for meat now, much to my disappointment. Although apparently I can cook tofu to taste and feel just like chicken! 🤣)
The fact that she refuses to tell where she bought them is suspicious.
They found a dehydrator at the local tip
Come , it’s bull S , they were pick in the wild for god sake 😅😅😅😅
I think you mean food dehydrators and I believe 3 were found but one was dumped after the event..@@michaeltuffin5002
The Poison Shrooms Depot. She thought only healthy mushrooms are sold there.
If bought from a store there would be news of other people getting poisoned
The fact that she claims she bought them in a store is all the proof i need to know she is a lying liar who is also a murderer. Had she said she picked them herself and it was a horrific accident that would be believable.
True. Good point. 😮
Plus, she would have eaten some herself, because if that's how it happened, she wouldn't have guessed there would be a problem eating them.
Eh, not necessarily. It's not difficult to imagine somebody who's made such a grave mistake trying to cast blame elsewhere for one reason or another. Not proof of intent.
@@TheBlackDeath3 It might make sense to try to shift the blame on to somebody else but to blame a store is the height of stupidity because such a thing is so easy to check.
@@TheBlackDeath3 It's excruciatingly obvious she intentionally murdered them and the fact the cops can't put 2 and 2 together is astounding not to mention incredibly dense 🤦🏽♀️
Todds sense of humor slaps. it comes out of nowhere without even a slight change of his very serious tone. sometimes u have to wonder if he actually just said it.
Agreed. Perfect delivery and succinct timing.
No he’s got a very dry sense of humour clearly.
@@DannyWJacowhat part r we talking abt ? Time pls i think i missed it as I wasn't giving proper attention
@@DannyWJaco oh i think i got it
A melancholic love part at last at last isn't it when he summarize the case 😂
@@francinejones2524who hurt u 🤕
She reminds me of Kathy Bates character in Misery. Here is a question ? How did the parents die. It seems unusual they are both dead. Erin is only in her 40s. Detectives need to go right into her past. Hey Hollywood, this would make a block buster of a movie.
Which means her parents were likely in their 60s or older. Things like heart problems, diabetes, and cancer can all start in the 50s and even younger. Before modern medicine, a lot of people died at a younger age. Modern medicine can't make everybody live longer.
@EXROBOWIDOW yeah if her parents were unhealthy they could have died in their 60s or 70s
I love not only that Dr Grande covers Australian stories, but also that he pronounces ‘Melbourne’ correctly!
Yes noticed that!
But he’s NOT actually getting all of the story correct .
No one care about the content. We just came to see him slip out of his fake US accent.
@@BoogieBoogsForever fake? What are you on about?
@@valhipkiss4011 so what did he get wrong?
I’m in Melbourne, this is a huge case and thank you for bringing all the information together. News tonight advised that the Pastor is now in a stable position.
But he needs a liver transplant.
Thank God the Pastor is somewhat better!🙏🏻❤️
Thank god! What good news!!!! So sad he lost his wife of many years. But so glad he lived. Poor man. What trauma and damage to his body.
"Fight like a girl" so character assassination and poison his food.
@@nikitaw1982that's how they do it!
Dr. Grande, your emotionless but yet still somehow menacing stare and talcum-dry sense of humor are nightmare fuel. Keep it coming.
Talcum dry! 😂
😂😂😂
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What a description! You should be a writer!
@@user-rl6wr2ny7f" Stiff upper lip, now, chap! "
Dr Grande - just to inform you that this incident occurred in the winter of 2023 here in Australia not the summer as you stated at the beginning of your video. Our winters here are June, July and August. Thank you for your very interesting videos.
Literally the hottest months in the southeast region of the U.S. lol
Oi crikey you're living in the upside down on the counterweight continent. I'd ask if yee evah seen no monstahs then I remember it's Australia and that's called going outside innit? I guess you got some of them funny time birds and I don't mean the giant ones that try and eat yah.
This is the first I heard the kids were there. I heard they went to the movies and Erin did eat some of the wellington according to her.
She disposed of her food dehydrater at the local tip ,after the poisoning. Cops found it . Her ex believes he may have been poisoned in the past .
An ex is generally not the best source of facts if they have no proof.
@@TheScratchingKiwi he was for three weeks in intensive care in a critical condition in hospital, what other proofs do you need???
@@TheScratchingKiwi they were in hospital for 3 weeks champ
What's a tip?
@@annebruecks7381Garbage dump
One small correction Dr G. Here in Australia, July isn't summer, but winter. I always enjoy your videos, humour and perspective on cases. Thanks for all the effort you put into your material.
Wild mushrooms are a winter food 🍄
The fact that she refused to answer key questions such as where the mushrooms came from, and why she and her children ate a different meal, is highly suspicious.
Kids eat simple meals that's why.
@@hrhtreeoflife4815 It's weird that NONE of them ate any of what the guests ate. And it was actually beef wellington pie. Don't most kids love pie. The mother is 48 too so I'd doubt the children are fussy little toddlers.
You realize she doesn’t have to answer questions. She has the same rights as everyone else.
It's a pile on. Worth waiting a bit for facts to come out. We'll see what the investigations yield.
@@hrhtreeoflife4815
Children have allergies?
I believe there also needs to be an investigation into Erin’s parents deaths in 2019, unless they were in a fatal accident both parents dying in the same year is unusual.
And they left her a shed load of money I believe
🤤🤤🤤...
You have a point. But then again, it's not that unsual, especially among elderly couples, if the woman is the first one to die.
@@dirkrose1565 😐😑
Good point, inheriting a $1M home is motive, plus I'm sure they had cash, savings and other assets.
There are two categories of mushroom poisoning incident:
Incidents where the chef eats the food, and incidents where they dont.
Every incident where they dont has turned out to be a murder in my personal experience.
Personal experience? Are you a chef?
@@edithflood631busy body. Haha. Just jokes. Yeah what experience?
Kinda unfortunate.
MY partner enjoys mushrooms, me much less so.
I'm skeeved out by them.
So I could see myself making beef and mushrooms for a dinner but sticking to my chicken mushu sabs mushrooms.
'Your personal experience' lol do you need investigating?
@@edithflood631
A bit of satire, that's all.
Death Angel mushrooms. Curiously, most homicides by poisoning are done by women. The fact that she and her children avoided the "laced" dish speaks of homicidal intent.
But mummy, why can't I have the beef welly, you know I love beef welly!
But also… some people don’t like mushrooms, like truly hate them. I still cook things I don’t like all the time for friends and family bc I love cooking but I won’t eat that dish and eat the rest.
But she would have gotten caught too easily if she had done it on purpose. So I don’t think she meant to kill them .
But I do think that she likely meant to make them sick (Munchausen’s bi-proxy). Her husband got critically ill while with her in April 2022. Maybe she enjoyed the drama, liked attending to him and feeling needed by him.
It does seem rather convenient that she and her children were the only ones who didn't eat it.
@@schoomzerHe says in the video that she prepared separate meals for her children. It's right there in the video.
I hope the police is also looking into her parents' death and how her ex husband was hospitalized with similar symptoms before. This woman is sussy af.
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Her parents deats, I hadn’t thought about that 😮
She did inherit a house from that, so that would be one benefit of doing that
Super sus!
Yeah I thought the same especially since she inherited it. Would not be surprised if she invited her husband & fam to get rid of them in one fell swoop
I live in Australia and this case has been all over the news. However I still got more information from you than the media has released. Thank you Dr Grande 👏
Bullshit. You have access to the same info Grande does. If you lack info it's because you're not paying attention.
There's not a lot about it hey - i actually googled this story last night and its all very quiet.
Same. I don't know how he managed to get so much info when here in Australia we've heard very little.
Don't believe everything you read. This person is getting likes and comments
I know right we never heard nothing about it being beef Wellington
I personally think Erin wanting to get back with her ex and getting everyone together because of it was just a ruse to get them all round to eat her mushrooms, including the ex. The fact she and her children did not eat the mushrooms speaks volumes. When I cook for a group, I usually cook something everyone can/will eat so the fact the most important people to her (her kids and herself) did not eat it and were the ONLY people not to eat it is very odd. The fact she lied about buying the shrooms at a grocery store is a red flag - unless she can provide some reciept, I call BS. Guilty af imo.
She didn't buy them at a supermarket. We have strict food regulations in Australia and NZ. Most supermarkets only sell commercially grown white button mushrooms and brown field mushrooms. Amanita phalloides does not look like either of those. I've never heard of Amanita phalloides contaminating batches of commercially grown mushrooms. It doesn't like that substrate.
Some supermarkets are branching out and selling a few specialty types of fungi. Again, they're commercially grown and don't resemble Amanita phalloides. Other people would've almost certainly become sick if the mushrooms were purchased from a store too.
This mushroom grows in the wild. Typically under pine trees. It's common to find them in the area where Erin lives
I think there are a lot of coincidences here that strongly suggest she intended to prepare a killer meal. Had it been accidental she would have eaten them herself. Less suspicious that her children didn’t eat them, as children can be picky eaters, but highly suspicious she’d prepare a lunch that she herself did not intend to eat.
It’s not a coincidence. Intentional poisoning is more common than anyone knows. No one believes the victims, if they survive.
Maybe she doesn't like poison mushrooms.😅😅😅😅
How olds the children?
It might make sense to cook separate meals if, say, some guests are vegetarian or have certain allergies. Or it might make sense to serve two things at home when, say, there's only one hamburger left, so only one person can get that and the rest have to eat something else. You might also create several options for guests to choose from, which is considerate in a way. But it's VERY weird to randomly serve some people one batch of food and other people a completely separate dish -- this would only sow disunity and be twice the work!
What cook doesn't taste their own cooking? Every time I cook a meal, I taste it even if I am cooking it for someone else.
“This may because he has a desire to continue living”… that’s why I’m going to avoid to mushroom foragers… they seem all cute and quirky with their baskets filled with mushrooms but their hearts are filled with HATE. 😂
Her husband was in a coma 12 months ago with similar symptoms. She must have bought store bought mushrooms back then too. Interestingly when she told the police she bought them from the shop they didnt do a recall on the mushrooms so it sounds like the police dont believe her
in fact I believe both Supermarkets put out an announcement saying they are not doing a recall and no one is at risk.
How this woman is not in prison is beyond me.
She is now. She has been charged with 3 counts of murder amongst a string of other charges
@@bradnov89Why? If anything, the mushrooms should be the ones going to jail.
The whole incident is very suspicious from the moment she cooked and served a different meal for her and her children. 😮😢
Yes! And why a lunch anyway? Was this a normal thing with these people?
@@bthomsonWhat do you mean why a lunch? People often get together for meals. I don't know where you live, but weekend lunches are a common form of social get together in Australia.
@@bthomson don't forget they were her kid's grandparents. So getting together for a meal is normal.
@@bthomson Is lunch not a normal thing where you're from?
Some kids won't eat stews, especially neurodiverse kids. It's not that uncommon to give them chicken nuggets while the grown ups eat something else. The fact that Erin ate a different meal is more suspicious.
Wow! I’m so impressed that you are onto this case so quickly! I will just add that here in Australia we are still in our winter, so for us it occurred in Winter of 2023. You’ve unearthed so much more information than is covered in our news, and it’s added valuable insight. Thank you Dr. G. ❤
What even IS Australian winter? Does it actually get cold there?
@@burnyizland Winter is Winter, regardless of the temperature. Ever been to Florida at Christmas time? In the Southern Hemisphere the seasons are the opposite to the Northern Hemisphere.
@@richardnolan3903 Well that was unnecessarily snarky. And uninformative. I wasn't disagreeing with the seasons being opposite to North America's - I'm a geography major for C's sake. Just curious. No need for you to act like a child.
@@burnyizlandwow, your a geography major.
@@burnyizland I don't know why Dick had to be so rude to you. He doesn't seem to know himself anyway and appears to have made assumptions.
I'm a Kiwi however I have lived in Australia as well as travelled there quite a bit so I can answer, which is there's no one answer for all of the country.
Much of the Northern Territory for instance doesn't really have seasons like Summer, Winter, etc, but has the Wet season, the Dry season, and the Buildup. The months which would be considered Winter it stays hot every day with the temperate at about 30 degrees celcius.
And then in other parts there's actually mountains and ski fields. Millions of houses do require heating in Winter as it does get that cold in much of it.
My work colleague had lost her sister in law to one of these poisonous mushrooms, and her brother was in a fatal condition. The wife was very much into wild mushrooms and was very knowledgeable, she'd go off mushroom picking this day as she had for years and collected her mushrooms for a dinner she was preparing for her family. She absolutely adored her husband and their children and would often arrange meal gatherings. On this particular occasion she prepared the lunch only to receive a call that her family couldn't make it to lunch and would rearrange. However, her husband said that they would still eat the meal since she'd prepared it. Hours later the wife was seriously ill with nausea and stomach pain, her husband called the emergency services who told him NOT to induce vomiting. Unfortunately this was a big mistake as vomiting would have helped to release some of the toxins frim her stomach. She was rushed to hospital but sadly died. Her husband within hours would also become very sick too and was rushed into ED. He survived thankfully but has never recovered psychologically. Even though she knew her mushrooms, she'd picked some that looked like ones she'd normally eat not realising they weren't. It was so tragic.
Why did emergency services tell them not to induce vomiting?
@@nicolesamsonitefor most poisonings it's not the correct thing to do for some reason that I don't know. Maybe they are worried it can be aspirated and cause further complications getting it into your lungs and airways.
@@clutchboi4038 oh okay, that makes sense.
Don't fuck with mushrooms.
@clutchboi4038 it's also if it is a caustic poisoning it can burn/damage the esophagus as it comes back up.
she's being charged with 3 counts of murder and 5 of attempted murder. justice has caught up to her.
I noticed in the video that when she appeared to be crying, there were no tears. At one point, she rubbed her eyes and glanced at her hands afterwards - why would someone do that unless they’re checking to see if they’re making tears?
I know she’s guilty, but in regards to your comment, when I cry I check my hands if I use them to make sure I don’t have makeup or an eyelash, debris, things of that sort. That could’ve been why she checked them.
Either way I hope she spends her life in prison.
go fullscreen and watch it in 0.25 not a tear in sight
Yeah I noticed that as well. It's like she was more concerned with removing a lash accidentally or some makeup in her nails. As guilty as sin.
yes! exactly- l noticed this too
She should have said she foraged them herself and due to inexperience accidently picked death caps. It would have still gotten her a charge, but not murder. When she tried to claim they came from a store, she was immediately made into a murderer, because stores don't sell death caps. She may have gotten involuntary manslaughter or negligent homicide.
Agreed. It would have still looked dodgy since they've grown on her property for a long time and it is apparently the first time she suddenly decided to go and pick them and use them in a meal neither she nor her children touched (if ignore the ex husband getting very sick for a moment), but it would make her appear to be less of a liar and added some doubt to her intentions.
Yea true
Certainly, however criminals do not think the way we do, which is why we do not commit crimes. For example the average person thinks from point a to point bbto point c, the criminal thinks only from point a to point b, I want to steal, murder, whatever, and then to how they will do it. See how many look shocked or angry etc. when faced with concequences.
@@teresayeates3437 This seems to apply to her. She doesn't come across as the brightest lamp in the room.
She’ll change her story before or at the trial
I think any deaths around her need a second look... inherited the house? This one might end up being on Forensic Files :-) Thanks again, Dr. Grande!
At this rate the police will be looking into ANY unusual deaths around her.
Crying without tears 🤨...She knew exactly what she was doing! Oh my gosh, this lady is SO busted 😅
Phantom of the Daffodil festival......
She definitely is a serial killer.... This isn't accidental... She knew exactly what she was doing. Feeding her children something diff ( along with herself) proves it was intentional
Mass murderer
@penderyn8794She also threw out the cooking device she cooked the meal with which was found at the local tip AND she hated the step mother cursing her in public so there's a possible motive.
@@mindeyethemasterscreen2712there we go.
Proof is defined by the fact it is evidential. There isn't any evidence yet.
Not to be a nit picked but I think she is technically a mass murdere. IDK what the death total requirement is to meet the definition ( I think its 4). But serial killers are killers of 3 or more people people with an emotional cooling down between kills.
Death Cap mushrooms are mycorrhizal, growing symbiotically with the roots of oak trees. They typically sprout underneath the edge of the oak canopy. Due to a large root systems Death Caps can be found aways from the trunk. The cap has a yellow to greenish sheen that can vary to olive or brown hue. Gills and spores are white, small bulbous cup at the base and remnants of a skirt on the stipe. Other mushrooms may have similar coloring but none grow symbiotically with oak. All commercial growers would easily be able to spot the Death Cap and I bet youd be hard pressed to find an example. There is now an antidote called Silibinin an extract of milk thistle seeds, along with gastric decontamination. A deadly dose is 0.1 milligrams for every kilo of weight. With all this info and what appeared to be fake crying, makes her look like she is lying. Excuse the rant 👍🤙👌✌️🕊
I liked every word of it people need to be more careful about what we put in our face. Some people don't have our best interests at heart.
@Drak976 She has been classed as an expert forager, I think that will be her downfall. Yes there are some sad people. Hope you have an awesome day 👋 😀 😊
Very informative, thank you for explaining
@maryhayes3177 Thankyou 😊 Mushrooms are such a valuable source of food and medicine. What she did was wicked and she was able to mask it by dehydrating it. I am so sad for her children and all those close to them. I hope you have a wonderful day 💗 I actually never expected anyone to reply.
Thank you for that information.
In this economy, if I'm at the store and the fatal mushrooms happen to be on sale, I stock up.
Thanks for the laugh!
As an Aussie I’m so impressed you said “Melbun” and not “Mel-born”
Yes, I think he really worked on it haha
True
Yea, that was pleasantly unexpected, even from an American's point of view (p.o.v.,)
As pleasantly unexpected as when you hear a French person properly pronounce croissant 😅
I came to the comment section to say the same thing.
It's Mel-Bin maaaaaaate 😅
I can confirm our local grocery store clearly labels the fatal mushrooms 😵🥰😝
Death cap mushrooms are found in the forest not in a supermarket in Australia.
Erin knows she's poisoned them and she's panicked and its extremely suspicious that her and her children didnt have the same meal.
Her ex husband has had experienced the same symptoms and was hospitalised.I would say the police will be arresting her after finding the dehydrator.
Thanks Dr Grande for your hard work and I love your channel and analysis and this woman erin is a serial killer she shows no remorse.
Pretends cry when being interviewed about these pillar of the community couples that were always kind and well liked by everyone.
Something doesn't add up and her ex husband wouldn't have had the same symptoms and hospitalised if shes innocent.
He was lucky to of survived and can recount his story to the police.
Also her parents death.
He may not have had the most poisonous ones or not high enough dose.
"Everyone knows that supermarkets clearly mark their mushrooms as fatal and non-fatal..." Love it and proves that even doctors have a great sense of humour ! 🙂
The mushrooms in supermarkets are clearly marked as "for people you like" or "for people you don't like"! 😂
@@teresadvorak6145thank you, captain obvious.
😂😂
Perhaps. But the timing is terrible. These people JUST DIED and are being mourned by real people who are hurting. I love humor but this vid was tasteless and I'm surprised he posted it.
I have never in my long life heard of a store labeling their produce "fatal"...🤤😨. Why in the world carry a product in the first place that may kill people.? We live in the 21st century, and that sounds suspect.
She's probably sorry she missed the estranged husband
Her first two husbands died of poisoned mushrooms. The third of falling downstairs because he wouldn't eat mushrooms.
@@alangknowles My dad makes this joke, except he says "my first 4 wives died of mushroom poisoning, the 5th died of gunshot wounds because she wouldn't eat her mushrooms."
I'm pretty sure she planned on killing all of them, including the ex. She never planned on reuniting. She should be in prison for 3 homicides, or is it 4? It's unbelievable that she is still walking free right now.
I'm from Aust. Erin said she purchased the mushrooms from a shop in Melbourne. But she can't recall what shop or even what suburb the shop was in. She said she gave her children the left over Beef Wellington the next day, but scraped off the mushrooms, as the kids didn't like them. But she cudn't have scraped off the poisonous juices, I don't believe that one for a minute.
Also it was known that she wanted to keep the house she was living in.
I looked very very hard at the videos of her "crying" & could not see a single tear, nor red eyes. I have trouble speaking when crying from grief, but she easily spoke quite well while she was "crying". Everyone in Aust thinks she's guilty, I think because her body language & her "grief" face are off. It's off because it's not real. I laughed out loud several times during your excellent analysis. 😅
The deaths of those poor people was an extremely cowardly despicable act. They died horribly.
Supermarkets tend to avoid selling killer shrooms. They don’t get much in the way of repeat business. But those death cap mushies are readily found just foraging in your own yard at certain times of year.
Loved the alliteration at the end btw. Marvellously memorable!
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Death cap mushrooms are perfect for poisoning ..the odd thing is that she lied about where she got them from, may have form, and she avoided the mushrooms along with her kids...it's really weird
Oh yeah that’s sketch. Maybe she avoided them bc she doesn’t like them? A lot of people hate mushrooms but will cook them for fellow mush lovers (like me) and she might be a vegetable lover in general so enjoys picking veggies and eating them but doesn’t necessarily like eating all of them. I don’t like squash much but if my friend offers me a few veggies from her garden I always take a couple zucchini or eggplants bc my parents love it and I enjoy cooking for them so maybe that was the case? Mayyyybe.
It’s nice how you two short bussers were able to meet here!!
Nah, she guilty AF!@@sjworrier0613
Lol. I mean if you were gonna do it on purpose you’d at least eat a tiny bit so it wasn’t as suss. And literally just say you picked them. She’s clearly not the sharpest tool in the box. It’s pretty obvious they know she’s guilty of purposely feeding her guests them knowing the consequences
Not weird, just murder. Which is weird. Waiting for this lady to face her comeuppance.
I think she prepared the meal as plan b in case Simon won't attend the meal. Therefore, she cooked two different dishes. When Simon called it off, she hit him hard by killing his family.
Oooh... Cold... But the logic fits....
Wouldn't take much to add the dried mushrooms as an after thought
Just a reminder, I'm not diagnosing anyone this video. Only speculating on what could happen if someone tried to write an Agatha Christie novel in real time.
Nancy Brophy vibes
BAAAAAAHAHAHAHA!🤣
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stefanstenroos6344
True that, how has this pseudo science expert got a bunch more info than the police or media have in Australia. O that's right he gets paid to muckrake.
What would you call this Agatha Christie novel? 🙂
We have a mushroom farm near our house. There is a mushroom forrager who sells at their market. I thought “this is probably the only time I’ll get to eat wild mushrooms in the safest conditions possible”. They were delicious but I’ll be honest, part of the time eating them I was freaking out “omg I’m going to die” and the other half of the time “it’s totally safe”.
*If the supermarket is responsible for this - why isn't she suing or even mad at them? As if supermarkets sell some of the most lethal mushrooms in the world.
*These mushrooms grow during Autumn (March-May in Australia) but this happened in late July - meaning she picked them months ago - which means premeditation. The dehydrator is key here, especially since it was disposed of immediately, also pointing to guilt.
*I kept waiting to hear about money/property that she would benefit to gain - but it actually sounds like she did it out of spite because his family didn't want her and her husband to be together. I imagine she thinks if she killed them all, they would no longer have influence on him, and he would have lost everyone so he would not only cling to any semblance of family he had left (her and her son), but would be so broken and need support which is where she would swoop in. Nutjob!
It sounds like she intended to kill her ex, too, since he was invited, but declined to attend.
@@ILGuy2012 Yeah that's true, which makes it even weirder (no WAY she was gonna get away with this)
This, clear motive to get rid of the family. Maybe he was in on it too 🤔🤔🤔
@underratedunity1528
The supermarket didn’t sell the mushrooms! The “fatal vs non fatal” was a joke! She picked the mushrooms duh
@@underratedunity1528 in a breakup, particularly at that age, you probably feel like you have nothing left to live for and if you're a vengeful person you want everyone to feel the same way
That alliteration in your conclusion was pure poetry, incredible!! Interesting case as well
You always conclude with a delightfully witty flourish, Doc, but today you have surpassed yourself: that monumentally magnificent medley of multifarious M-words was marvellous!
Fully agree, bravo Dr Grande!
Yeah, that was pretty good.
It was on POINT today!! 🎉🎉🎉
I know, right!!
It was Mushroom Mayhem - magical mushrooms, mistakenly making mysterious manifestations, masking malevolent murder; a morbid mystery meticulously deciphered by the magnificent detective Dr Grande
An A+ to Mandy. Thank you!
A fun recap!
@@Neilsowards Aw, thank YOU! Haven't had an A+ in yonks! I'll take it 🥰 Have a pleasant weekend!
@@bthomson Thank you! Only following in Dr Grande's footsteps. 🤗
Stooop !!!!🤣🤣🤣
This is the first time I've come across this channel.. this guy's dry humor and sarcasm remind me of Matt Walsh.. 😂 I love this guy! Subscribed!
Wow, super clever, Doc, on that last synopsis of what happened! I didn't know there were so many "M" words but you puzzled them together in quite a brilliant fashion! Thanks for your hard work on all of your videos. So interesting!
Here we have a woman who loves unicorns. Perhaps she even sees unicorns, fairies, and rainbows after nibbling on a mushroom. Perhaps she thought that her dinner guests would simply hallucinate, and then agree to get Simon to take her back. So many questions about the mushroom factor remain...
Why is she talking to her in laws about getting back with her husband anyway ?
All species of amanita
The testing of packaged mushrooms, both imported & local in Australia is very stringent to avoid any poisonous ones. And there's no record of anybody ever being poisoned by dried packaged mushrooms.
Surely there would have been many more cases of poisoning if she had bought them at an Asian grocery store as claimed. She then said she couldn't remember where the store was, and also disposed of a food dehydrator at the garbage dump a day after serving the deadly meal. She claimed to forget about having disposed of it.
You, Doctor, are a national treasure on the strength of your alliterative skills alone.
"Everybody knows supermarkets clearly mark their muchrooms as fatal and non fatal" Almost missed that with his dry sense of humor.
I tend to avoid the fatal mushrooms.... Mostly because of the 'fatal' part.
Not me. I'll get some poison mushrooms to eat and enjoy if it's the last thing I do!
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Strange how her ex husband was admitted to hospital a year or so ago extremely ill with an undiagnosed stomach complaint. He ended up in a coma for days and nearly died.
I love your dry sense of humour. And your ‘Hitchcockian’ reference.
More details than I've found anywhere in the states.. I live in Maryland. Imagine spending all of that time on beef wellington and not eating it.. not suspicious at all! Hmm, well unless you don't eat meat. This is so horrific and disturbing beyond words. Her parents died the same year? Interesting. Where on earth did she get these mushrooms?
If my husband asks for a divorce, it's fine . I refuse to humiliate myself by talking him into staying with me out if pity and I'd definitely not call his parents for negotiation especially if I know they don't like me. She's unhinged.
I think she planned to kill them all, but the ex was smart enough to not show up.
My husband works at Austin hospital where they were admitted and sadly passed away. He said, "You are going to hear about this on one of your true crime videos", and I had hoped that Dr Grande would cover it. I believe that it was Ian Wilkinson was going to have a liver transplant, but he did not make it.
I'd heard recently that Ian's condition had improved.
@@It-is-me...Melsie Oops! I meant Don Patterson! Thanks for the correction.
Who knew you could just go to the fatal mushroom section at the grocery store to show your loved ones how you care about them?😂
I'm guessing 4-7 days before the police file charges against her. It's just a matter of getting enough info for the prosecutor.
Dr Grande, I’m really hoping, that you please keep us updated on this one.
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That alliteration was monstrously mega massive, monsieur!
Suspicious as hell, but tough to prove beyond a reasonable doubt i think
I hate when I accidentally eat the fatal mushrooms!
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Hilarious..
Dr Grande’s sense if humor really shines in this episode.
Hi Dr Grande. Thanks for covering this tragic story. It's actually winter down here though, not summer. 😅
This is such a devastating case. Poor kids.
Leongatha is not too far from where I live, -this has reverberated & stunned, deeply saddened across a wide community.
I appreciate Dr. Grande's sly humor as much as his evaluations of these individuals. I think his jibes are even funnier because he never smiles when he's delivering them.
I feel pretty sure that Erin did not have [tons] of friends that wanted to help her.
The dead pan delivery makes it impossible to tell if hes being serious or not. "Everyone knows Supermarkets label their mushrooms lethal and none lethal" 🤣
Oh, the tangled webs we weave. I love your delivery on this one Doc. As always, love ya🐈🎶🐾
Heyyyy Dr. Grande😍! I've missed so many of your videos due to an unexpected family tragedy. However, I'm very thankful for you. Watching your videos always make me feel better. Thank you for all you do🙏❤️
Sorry that a sad thing happened in your life. You know the fans of Dr. G are with you. 💐
Sorry about the tragedy. Do hope you will find peace soon.
Loved the final M part!!!!😂 ...Malevolent Mosaic of Maximal Mumbled Morbidity and Mesmerising Mishaps, all of these certainly are such Mental a case of Myriad Mingled Mysteries... a very witty style and that's exactly what investigating crime on TH-cam should look and sound like.
Well done, once again ✔️
There was a big recall in Victoria about 6 months ago on packaged spinach leaves because several of the batches had become contaminated with Datura and a number of people became sick. Maybe this lady thought she could also make people think a similar thing had happened but with mushrooms.
Omg, you outdid yourself today!! That closing was verbal brutality!! 🙌
I love when you slip those “zingers” in!!
I was going to point out that it's winter here at the moment and too cold for picking mushrooms...But the with her disposing of the Dehydrator (which could have been used to dehydrate the poisonous mushrooms during mushroom season) throughs a suspicious light on the situation.
"This would be bad for business - mostly because of the dying part..." 😂😂😂
Thanks. That made the start of today much funnier.
What an odd case. It is extremely odd that she herself didn't eat her own meal. She ought to be investigated, I think
Totally. Also her kids
Hello Dr Grande.
I’m from Sydney Australia I didn’t know about this case I’ve been very sick for the past 10 days,but you’re a great narrator now I understand exactly what happened thank you for sharing this message with us, and giving me the opportunity to comment!?
She sounds guilty to me simply because she didn’t eat the same meal she prepared for the family while she, and her children ate separate food now that’s very suspicious to me!?
Buying the mushrooms from a grocery store is not possible there’s no way they will sell poisonous mushrooms, and besides there’s no other reports that other people have been poisoned, and died from it.?
Life is a boomerang 🪃 mate it will comeback to hit you where it hurts the most, and one more thing I hope the CPS keep her children away from her coz I’m really worried about the kids we don’t know what she’s capable of doing next??
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Early 2000's I knew someone who got served poisonous mushrooms at a Berkeley, CA. restaurant. He ended up fine. That's all I recall. This woman is so guilty she's growing mold spores all over her.
Just a reminder, I'm not diagnosing anybody in this video; only speculating about how someone could get the Alice in Wonderland mushroom-eating story so wrong like this.
She knew she wasn't ever going to get back with her Ex, the "discussion" was just a way to get those people into one location. She murdered them. The investigators won't name her a suspect yet but they know she is
Wont be hard to check grocery store cameras or check her gps to see if she was in the woods
……cops are waiting on Toxicology results’………once received, she’ll be arrested. She isn’t the full quid. Her tv i/v was very telling. The Body Language Guy would have a ‘field’ day with it…………
Nothing gets past you hey 🤭
@@oceana3070 sarcasm? Really
Firstly, thanks for pronouncing Melbourne correctly. Second, thanks for covering this one. It’s an ongoing investigation and keeping everyone hooked in
Hi from Australia Dr Grande 👋 Im glad you covered this I actually got more information about this case from your analysis than I have from our local media. There were a couple of details you mentioned I wasn't aware of. I hate to rush to judgement I'm a big believer in "innocent until proven guilty" but this woman is suspicious as hell and she looks bat shit crazy too. It's a little too convenient that she and her kids didn't eat the same meal and that the ex had been sick with similar symptoms in the past but to me the most telling thing is actually her statement to police that she bought the mushrooms at the supermarket. There would have been multiple victims and a huge recall of stock if that were the case. If she had said she picked the mushrooms then there could be some doubt as to it being accidental but now we know almost for certain that she is lying and trying to conceal her intentions. They say as a murder weapon poison is more of a woman's pick. I think this is statistically and historically true or at least I have encountered many notorious cases of females using poison to dispatch enemies and relatives. Perhaps it is that females are less physically strong or less prone to physical violence and gore so they see poison as a practical solution but I actually think a slow drawn out death by poison has got to be one of the worst ways to go and a very cruel death to inflict on someone. It also speaks a lot to their pathology. It's like they get to set the stage and watch the death play out slowly...first they would intently watch for signs of sickness and then watch the whole tragedy as it escalates and unfold before them. To know they could seek help but chose not to intervene is extremely cold blooded. I imagine the perpetrator gets a huge sense of control over their victims in these situations.
I live a couple of hours away from where this happened and it’s been all over the news. I’ve watched many news stories but you summary gave lots of information that I didn’t know. Your summary matches my own.
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It’s winter here… not summer.. we are upside down remember :)
I lived in NZ and AU for 5 years, came to HI last year, still mixed up as to which season it is!
@StephASMR I kept seeing this in the comments, and was wondering about it! That's honestly so fascinating to think I could avoid summer altogether by just going to Australia during the summer months here in the US! 😆 God, I'd love that. It's currently 80+ here in Pennsylvania, and the humidity leaves you sticky after even light yard work. I hate it. Now I'm going to look up what the average winter temps are like in AUS 😉 Maybe I'll visit one day.
I love your videos Dr Grande. And thank you for pronouncing Melbourne the Aussie way 😄 Just one thing .... July in Australia is the winter season, not summer
Here il pronounce Melbourne properly...Sudan..or Bombay or Beijing..that's how to pronounce Melbourne in 2023
I've noticed Northern Hemisphere people don't like hearing this fact at all. They think it's so weird they choose not to believe it.
@@anthony.3614How could we dislike hearing such a fact? That's strange.
@@bnic9471 Ok sorry. But please note it's currently winter in Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Argentina, Chile, Southern Brazil and many more places. There is an entire hemisphere currently experiencing winter or "dry season" if it's the tropics. We also drive on the left side of the road and sit on the right side of the car in Australia & no driving on the left is not a "British" thing and actually has nothing to do with the British.
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Most people don't put effort into preparing a meal that they aren't even going to try. Very suspicious.
Since Erin is the only one unaffected by poison, I don't think there is mushroom for doubt in this case !
I like how you pronounce Melbourne with the proper Australian accent, but narrative everything else in normal US English. “Mell-bunn”!!! 👍
Her friends describe her as a grown woman and mother so naive and childlike that she still believes in unicorns. It would seem nearly impossible to find a clear motive in a mind like that.
It would be easy to find a motive in a mind like that - she's so naive she doesn't understand the gravity of death and killing people and hasn't fully thought out the consequences.
Denial like that is common in NPD
So sorry about the blistering drought that has dried up her tear ducts.
Salt water crocodile tears. Yes, dead give away.
yes, i notice that too .. crying a lot but no tears ...
duh, duh.... duhhhhh ... guilty !
I have watched another video and you could certainly see her tears.
I have watched another video and you could certainly see her tears.
I love the empathy, insight, and sarcasm. This was brilliant - commentator, not perpetrator. Interwebs gold.
There was empathy? Can you give me a timestamp?
It’s amazing. She didn’t get sick
She made something different for herself and her kids... 🧐 Hmmm
She knew what she was doing
@@zoer7338But what parent hasn’t made different meals for their children when they are fickle eaters?
I really don’t think she meant to kill her guests but I do think she meant to make them sick. I wonder if it was death cap mushrooms that made her husband critically ill last year. She may have enjoyed that he needed her while sick.
The food dehydrator that went to to rubbish dump the next day is being tested. I wonder if dehydrating the mushrooms made their toxicity more concentrated and consequently she accidentally overdosed her guests.
She is curiously artless and naive seeming.
Why? She didn't eat the poison.
@@TwistedSister1234 " what parent hasn’t made different meals for their children when they are fickle eaters?"
Okay and what about her? What person makes a separate meal just for themselves and serves completely different food to their guests? That alone should have people decrying her guilt.