Good video, first full breakdown on here I think. Overall they look really good. Will be interesting to see what technology trickles down to the Pike Select at a later date. Shame about the bushings though, I feel that they should be fully workshop serviceable at least. That said, if they last a while then I suspect it won’t be an issue for many.
No problems with this RockShox top-caps on the air valve. I always used both thumbs on top of both sides of the cap, just one twisty motion and You can easily unscrew it :)
Hi i want to upgrade my 22/23 Select fork by adding just the buttercups. Actually i want to transfer the buttercup from a different length airshaft on sale, to my current select, so i have the option of having two different travel options. So buttercup are transferrable?
@@radidoc4832 for the buttercups you need the new debonair+ shaft. unfortunately you wont be able to but the new airshaft in the old fork because the airtransfer port is on a differenz location. but you can put the new charger 3 damper into the older versions.
@@kleinkurti i have a newer non-ultimate Lyrik that came with the bike without the buttercup but wanted to upgrade by buying a shaft with the buttercup. I was hoping to transfer just the buttercup, since airshaft is same.
Hi! How come you chose a 130mm fork? I also run a 130mm Pike in my Sirius but I'm curious to try the new Pike with 120mm this time as I feel the bike may be a bit overforked. Is 130mm more plush than 120mm? I know it's only 10 mm but we all know that the bigger the air volume, the more supple the fork is. Any opinions?
The 130 is a bit long for the Sirius really. It was a fun experiment, but 120mm was much better. ‘Plushness’ more to do with the tune and freshness of service. You can set up a 130 to operate more in the mid stroke, but you tend to loose the supportive feeling a bit.
I see that you added a bunch of spacers to keep the fork tube long and raise the bars. The stack is the biggest (or only) problem with this bike. The headtube should be 25mm longer and the BB could drop 1 or 2mm. I put 30mm rise bars on mine and it still feels low. The stack is my only complaint. It's the best bike I've ever owned.
It’s ace. I would actually prefer the bars lower, but the brake levers hit the top tube because of the slack angle. Also, the fork is being used on a bunch of different bikes while we test, so keeping the steerer long.
Hi! How much travel does your fork have? I also have a Sirius and I'm running a 130mm Pike Ultimate with the Charger 2.1 damper and the old 51mm offset. They say the frame is optimised for 100-120mm forks but it will take a 130mm fork sacrificing the geo numbers a bit.
Nice video! I just installed my 130mm Pike Ultimate yesterday and the first ride is tomorrow morning. Quick question, when you removed the air spring, was it the same 2-pin circlip that SRAM has used forever, or is it a flat retaining clip like a FOX? It's hard to tell from your video.
Great review. Have a question. I can get a new rockshox ultimate 21/22 for 700.00 . The 23 model will cost me 1000.00 is it worth the extra 300.00 for the new technology. Is it that much better. Thanks
Yes. Before these the SID would have been the stronger contender for 120mm and the Lyrik at 150mm. Fox had the 130/40 sorted with the Fox 34 FIT4 damper. Or the CaneCreak Healm. This 2023 model puts RockShox back in the game at the 120-140mm range. They did a really good job of this fork.
That’s probably the wrong way to phrase it. Even with low pressure they feel supportive. The initial suppleness is helped by the improved negative air and buttercups.
@@Mapdec Depends on what one wants out of a fork. I want a buttery feel over ripples. From what I've read here and elsewhere preproduction samples don't give that.
These aren’t pre production. We were just early to receive the new fork. We paid for them. As for a buttery feel… I’d say that depends more on regular servicing and the compression damping in the mid stroke. Aside from the Cane Creak Healm 2 I can’t think of a fork with a better compression damper to fine tune the mid stroke compression. Maybe the Ohillins.
Bollocks!I'm no engineer,but even I know that rubber bumper aint doin diddley 4mm of🙄There should be a spring,for goodness sakes your tires would absorb more than the 4mm.
I remember rubber "suspension" from the 90's. It was pretty shit, as it is today. :) Dont fall for marketing jizz, if they were worth their salt theyd use springs that dont become unusable after a season.
Really excellent review and first look, by far the best I’ve watched. Bravo!
Thank you Adam
I think the Sag Gradients are really useful. I wonder why they got rid of some of their unique features.
Purely for the clean looks…. And most likely because they use the same Stanchions across many more forks now. I’m a fan.
Good video, first full breakdown on here I think. Overall they look really good. Will be interesting to see what technology trickles down to the Pike Select at a later date.
Shame about the bushings though, I feel that they should be fully workshop serviceable at least. That said, if they last a while then I suspect it won’t be an issue for many.
Thanks Timothy
No problems with this RockShox top-caps on the air valve. I always used both thumbs on top of both sides of the cap, just one twisty motion and You can easily unscrew it :)
Good tip 👍
@@Mapdec EXT does it right, you can ubdoniy with a hex. 👌
Weird you can't remove the bushings. 🤔But the rest looks like great improvements.
Can you remove a buttercup by its hole or do you have to "open" the buttercup into 2 pieces to remove it from the airshaft?
You can do both.
Hi i want to upgrade my 22/23 Select fork by adding just the buttercups. Actually i want to transfer the buttercup from a different length airshaft on sale, to my current select, so i have the option of having two different travel options. So buttercup are transferrable?
@@radidoc4832 for the buttercups you need the new debonair+ shaft. unfortunately you wont be able to but the new airshaft in the old fork because the airtransfer port is on a differenz location. but you can put the new charger 3 damper into the older versions.
@@kleinkurti i have a newer non-ultimate Lyrik that came with the bike without the buttercup but wanted to upgrade by buying a shaft with the buttercup. I was hoping to transfer just the buttercup, since airshaft is same.
do you think it is possible to remove the stickers from the fork?
Easy
@@Mapdec tnx
left and right channels in the audio are swapped
How did you do that?
Great Video, thanks! Any experience with the Select Version iof this fork? Especially in comparison with the last (2021) Select Version? Thanks!
The 2023 models are all a good step forward. The Select has most features anyone would want and can be upgraded
@@Mapdec Thanks!
Hi! How come you chose a 130mm fork? I also run a 130mm Pike in my Sirius but I'm curious to try the new Pike with 120mm this time as I feel the bike may be a bit overforked. Is 130mm more plush than 120mm? I know it's only 10 mm but we all know that the bigger the air volume, the more supple the fork is. Any opinions?
The 130 is a bit long for the Sirius really. It was a fun experiment, but 120mm was much better. ‘Plushness’ more to do with the tune and freshness of service. You can set up a 130 to operate more in the mid stroke, but you tend to loose the supportive feeling a bit.
Thanks for the advice! Cheers!
I see that you added a bunch of spacers to keep the fork tube long and raise the bars. The stack is the biggest (or only) problem with this bike. The headtube should be 25mm longer and the BB could drop 1 or 2mm. I put 30mm rise bars on mine and it still feels low. The stack is my only complaint. It's the best bike I've ever owned.
It’s ace. I would actually prefer the bars lower, but the brake levers hit the top tube because of the slack angle. Also, the fork is being used on a bunch of different bikes while we test, so keeping the steerer long.
Hi! How much travel does your fork have? I also have a Sirius and I'm running a 130mm Pike Ultimate with the Charger 2.1 damper and the old 51mm offset. They say the frame is optimised for 100-120mm forks but it will take a 130mm fork sacrificing the geo numbers a bit.
Nice video! I just installed my 130mm Pike Ultimate yesterday and the first ride is tomorrow morning. Quick question, when you removed the air spring, was it the same 2-pin circlip that SRAM has used forever, or is it a flat retaining clip like a FOX? It's hard to tell from your video.
Same as usual.
@@Mapdec Thanks!
Does the bolt on fender come included in the box?
Yes. It does. !!
Does the 2022 mud guard fit the new one
Maybe you meant the old forks? I don’t think it would the chassis is very different.
I buying this because Mapdec saying
Can I upgrade my 2022 Pike Select with this new charger damper and debon air spring?
Do you have the new 22/23 model? Then yes.
Great review. Have a question. I can get a new rockshox ultimate 21/22 for 700.00 . The 23 model will cost me 1000.00 is it worth the extra 300.00 for the new technology. Is it that much better. Thanks
Yes. Before these the SID would have been the stronger contender for 120mm and the Lyrik at 150mm. Fox had the 130/40 sorted with the Fox 34 FIT4 damper. Or the CaneCreak Healm. This 2023 model puts RockShox back in the game at the 120-140mm range. They did a really good job of this fork.
So even with low pressure they are not initially supple
That’s probably the wrong way to phrase it. Even with low pressure they feel supportive. The initial suppleness is helped by the improved negative air and buttercups.
@@Mapdec Depends on what one wants out of a fork. I want a buttery feel over ripples. From what I've read here and elsewhere preproduction samples don't give that.
These aren’t pre production. We were just early to receive the new fork. We paid for them. As for a buttery feel… I’d say that depends more on regular servicing and the compression damping in the mid stroke. Aside from the Cane Creak Healm 2 I can’t think of a fork with a better compression damper to fine tune the mid stroke compression. Maybe the Ohillins.
@@Mapdec Well I'll stick to my Helm 2 then!
Fine choice. Hard to beat those.
Bollocks!I'm no engineer,but even I know that rubber bumper aint doin diddley 4mm of🙄There should be a spring,for goodness sakes your tires would absorb more than the 4mm.
I remember rubber "suspension" from the 90's. It was pretty shit, as it is today. :)
Dont fall for marketing jizz, if they were worth their salt theyd use springs that dont become unusable after a season.
Elastomer suspension. Who came up with that bright idea 🫣
@@Mapdec There want anything else back in the day... ;)
Just lean back :D