A former classmate of mine is currently a gay conservative influencer. I shit you not, he actually once said “it was harder for me to come out as Conservative than to come out as gay.” I just can’t 😓
It's a common narrative among gay conservatives. In their minds, gay people are widely accepted, while conservatives are not. It's a persecution complex, and one where they claim the non-conservative gays will discriminate against them. I'm sorry, but did they expect to receive no pushback for adhering to an ideology that seeks to take away other people's rights?
It applies to queer acceptance too like trans and gay stuff, but I notice a lot of conservative thoughts on things also end up being "I only believe it now that the practical reality affects me", like abortion or healthcare or housing. The complete lack of being willing to just look up statistics on issues to be informed is astonishing...in many cases the data is not hard to find at all.
Conservatives seem completely incapable of practicing empathy They have no way of conceptualizing themselves into the shoes of anyone else. That’s exactly why they don’t care until it impacts them personally
I had a horrible childhood due to my parents refusing to divorce and fighting all the time. (they didnt divorce for ,my brother and I, not for religious reason) Once they finally divorced (when i was like 17) it was the biggest breath of fresh air i've ever had.
realest shit. both my parents were verbally abusive to me and one was physically abusive, until they finally divorced when i was like 13. they were trying so hard to make things work for me that they genuinely began to not only hate one another but also hate me for keeping them trapped, even tho i obviously had no say in any of it. when they divorced the abuse basically stopped entirely, i got apologies from them, and now when they fuck up they recognize it and change. i couldn't put into words how glad i was that they divorced and honestly them staying together so long gave me a lot of hatred/fear of people being in relationships around me, among all the other trauma. case in point, if parents want to divorce but stay together for their kids, their kids 100% want/need them to divorce and they need to divorce for the sake of those kids. every kid comes to appreciate that their family is split rather than broken.
So Paul was "cranky" about sexuality because he simply preached self-control, celibacy (which actually somewhat empowered women, Thecla and Phoebe and (possibly) Junia, who refused to get married and were financially independent), and the giving up on bodily pleasures for the sake of Christ, and believed (genuinely at the time) that Christ was coming soon, so whoever was married should stay married and whoever was celibate should stay celibate, with even Christ himself saying that whoever "made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of god", a verse emphasizing that choosing celibacy for the sake of God's kingdom is a sacrifice and a way to focus on spiritual dedication, but now we nitpick and choose what we want from the Bible (including marriage and control) and what we consider divine, eh? If we nitpick, then we are god, we are the divine in the situation. Yet we imagine there to be a divine elsewhere when it was us all along.
After being driven deeper into the closet time and time again over the years, and having friends ridicule me for finding pictures of me wearing a skirt... I have learned two things above all else that occurred when I finally came out and started living as a woman full time, and eventually medically transitioning: ONE: These people were not friends of who I really am. They were friends with someone who, at the end of the day, simply isn't who I am. They were friends with a depressed drug addicted alcoholic. TWO: I am happy today, and 30+ years of depression is gone. That is worth the loss of those who I now see never were my friends. Same with my family, who eventually came to accept me. Totally worth it, I should have come out earlier in life, but one shouldn't be stuck in the past or it opens up new avenues for self-loathing... something I eliminated from my life!
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Tribalism, US conservatives have been conditioned to believe not in good and bad actions, but good and bad teams. When you are taught that you are special and moral by virtue of being on their side, you will never bother to ask if your own actions are just.
@@J-manli I mean, both sides do this in America. It's a mix between our 2 party political system and American Christianity, I would say. Now, tbh I would say more of the left is less polarized than the right.
Yes. Exactly. This "amazing god" was himself all along. So Paul was "cranky" about sexuality because he simply preached self-control, celibacy (which actually somewhat empowered women, Thecla and Phoebe and (possibly) Junia, who refused to get married and were financially independent), and the giving up on bodily pleasures for the sake of Christ, and believed (genuinely at the time) that Christ was coming soon, so whoever was married should stay married and whoever was celibate should stay celibate, with even Christ himself saying that whoever "made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of god", a verse emphasizing that choosing celibacy for the sake of God's kingdom is a sacrifice and a way to focus on spiritual dedication, but now we nitpick and choose what we want from the Bible (including marriage and control) and what we consider divine, eh? If we nitpick, then we are god, we are the divine in the situation. Yet we imagine there to be a divine elsewhere when it was us all along.
My mom stayed married for a lot of years thinking we needed a dad around while we kids didn't tell her we wanted him tf out of the house because we thought she was happy with him, it is far, far worse for kids to be stuck in a house with a toxic marriage than it is for their parents to just get a divorce
I owned two neutered male cats. Those cats had a sex life, where the smaller cat was on top of the larger cat. Being neutered, I had not expected them to have a sex life at all, so that was a surprise. Unfortunately the larger cat passed away four years ago. You don't really need to look far to see the gayness of nature. And they might have less complexity than humans in much, but animals can also be much more accepting because of that. They know what they are and act on it with no shame involved, because what are they if not what they feel that they are?
21:33 THIS!!!!! I literally made up a celebrity crush because I assumed that everyone's celebrity crushes were completely arbitrarily chosen based on like, zero actual factors besides that they were The Opposite Sex™
I like how Andrew Klaven just expressed his love for his gay son and the interviewer was just like, “Yeah, yeah, but let me tell you why your son is going to burn in hell forever.” Good lord, do these people have a heart? Also, I’m pretty sure that Paul says in one of his letters that people who are abandoned by their spouse are allowed to remarry. If he believes that the Bible is the word of God, that means he’s allowed to find a new wife if his current one walks out.
I love how Christians in the last centuries suddenly started saying having multiple wives was wrong. Even though reading the Bible I'm pretty sure God never ever says anything against David or Solomon with 100s of wives. I think polygamy is fine, though in the past I'm pretty sure a lot of polygamy practicing husbands were almost always bad people, looking at the history of Mormons and other religious groups that practiced it centuries ago.
21:33 I never understood this. Like, how does looking at a stranger makes you feel "hot" or feel an uncontrollable urge to have sex with the person? The concept is so wild to me.
@@GillfigGarstangand like with food, the more you abstain from it, the more it starts to occupy your mind. When properly satiated, you can see and smell delicious food nearby without losing composure. When you’re starving the reaction is far more extreme
I never say that I "believe" in Evolution, for I think that generates a great deal of confusion with Christians, who love to use different definitions of "believe" interchangeably. I do NOT believe in Evolution, for like other areas of science, it DOES NOT command or require my belief. I prefer to say that I ACCEPT Evolution as legitimate science. Also, as a life-long non-believer, I engaged in the act of not believing in god long before I knew that Evolution was even a thing. My being an Atheist has nothing to do with Evolution. Evolution doesn't even have much to do with religion, since it's in a separate field of science. Science is the STUDY of the observable, proven, tangible NATURAL world. This includes things we can detect with our senses, as well as things we can detect with our tools (infrared, ultraviolet). Religion is the BELIEF in the unobservable, unproven, intangible SUPERNATURAL world. This includes things like gods, devils, angels, demons, heaven, hell, etc. Therefore, it would be both honest and correct to conclude that god.... just ain't natural.
@@Jeanettesboxingchannel christianity doesn't know shit. it's literally just a bunch of fairy tales made to scare and control people into doing what they want them to
honestly the part of this that made me the angriest was him briefly mentioning Michael Knowles, ngl like if you're going to let me judge you by the company you choose, do it at the start of your video.
As a former Pentecostal, I left religion because of all the violence that God represented inside the bible and teaching. It left me with PTSD and panic attacks. Fear of fire, hot items, certain sounds. My dad would yell at me about God coming back to kill all the sinners. It got quite psychotic. Imagine Alex Jones, that's my dad
It goes by fast but he called Paul "choleric," which comes from the medical philosophy of the HUMORS. You know, like Shakespearean era medicine. These people have to read a book written in the last 100 years.
Isn't that the guy that was amazed that his wife was an actual person with intelligence? It took him more than a decade to realize she has the ability to reason, so he isn't very smart.
As a fellow straight-cis person who is also an ally, I can confirm that I have never had a desire to be a man and I am just not attracted to women. Those thoughts don't even cross your mind when it's normalized for you to be the way you are and you don't struggle with them. The struggle is because people refuse to normalize it for the LGBT+ community. If we just let it be normal for them too, there wouldn't be any of this "sadness" the guy speaks of. :C
Good goddamn Corn King...🤯 That food analogy was so simple, yet so brilliant! I am fully aware that I need nutritious food to sustain my health. But I have also housed three quarters of a s'mores blizzard ice cream cake in one evening 🤗... And it was pure bliss
Dude with the glasses and stache is wrong when he says desire isnt a sin the bible says it is many times it is a sin - Matthew 5:27-28 (NIV): "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall not commit adultery.' But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart."
Oh wow. A conservative Christian giving a BS Defense (C) of queer ppl? I never thought I'd live to see the day. In Trumps America (TM), I'll take a BS Defense (C) over no defense whatsoever. Bravo. Babysteps, everybody. Babysteps.
It sounds like it took him finding out his son was gay to make that change. Conservatives only look at a socially oppressed group sympathetically when it's somebody in their own life who is suffering for their status.
"Now I'm protesting too much, I walked myself into that sentence. Woops." ^ If "straight" conservatives were actually straight and simply acted normal instead of doing things like making AI gay porn of people they don't like.
"If we made it normal like the left wants it to be, there would still be an inherent sadness to it. That you're excluded from the norm..." Come on now 🤣 you can't possibly be THAT dumb
He speaks from his point of understanding (homosexuality being something that shouldn't be fully accepted as the norm too) but he fails to understand that in a world where this actually would be the case, people with his views wouldn't even exist so nobody would give gay people the idea that there's something sad about not being heterosexual in the first place. It's like saying without racism certain races would still be treated as lesser by others. This makes only sense for someone who views racism as an inherently natural feeling (or in his case homophobia) They're unable to think outside themselves.
@@onlyfoes Thank you for putting that so well, that's exactly it. They can't think beyond themselves or the current... I don't want to say reality, because the majority of out queer people aren't sad and very much enjoy being queer, but... current attitude of most and cultural norm. People have gotten better about their opinions & treatment of queer people (excluding trans folks because we're the scapegoats currently), but there's still a much larger disdain of us... that even while full on presenting a hypothetical of homosexuality being completely normal, they still can't concede with it. In a way it's not that I don't *entirely* understand, like I'm anti-capitalist, but it's so ingrained into everything we do and talk about and look at all around us, it's hard for me to picture in my head what a society would look like AFTER capitalism. Not if it never existed, I could probably picture that better, but if it truly ended... I have no idea what that would look like. I could picture elements of it here and there, but I can't fathom all things being affected on a grand scale, I don't know what business practices would look like, I've never seen communism or socialism that's unaffected by capitalism even through simple trading practices between countries... I just don't know! But that's a much more complicated system (imo) than imagining if there was no homophobia. I'd assume there'd just be like... more queer rep in media, more queer owned businesses, no need to come out, and probably no need for specific resources or communities, I just think it wouldn't be hard to imagine... but it's also really funny the way he put it... that even if it was normalised, it wouldn't be the norm. That's just a funny thing to say... idk, I'm high, maybe he meant statistically because the percentage of queer people in regards to population is relatively small, while growing with more acceptance and protections? But I imagine the percentage may also change if homophobia ceased to exist. I'm not bold enough to assume like half the population would be gay or queer in some way, but I imagine it would be a pretty significant bump, and people, straight or not, would be way more comfortable exploring their sexualities without shame, I'd imagine. Sorry, I'm a professional yapper 😭
Don't knock Theistic Evolution. I may not believe in it myself, but at least the religious people who do aren't literalists and are thus usually also more open towards a secular society, instead of advocating for theocracy and oppression like fundamentalists often do.
I am one of those lol, the two ideas arent really incongruent if one doesn’t take the Bible as anything but just a book people wrote even if it’s the word of God it’s filtered through a human being and we can’t possibly recreate the message of a perfect being.
So Paul was "cranky" about sexuality because he simply preached self-control, celibacy (which actually somewhat empowered women, Thecla and Phoebe and (possibly) Junia, who refused to get married and were financially independent), and the giving up on bodily pleasures for the sake of Christ, and believed (genuinely at the time) that Christ was coming soon, so whoever was married should stay married and whoever was celibate should stay celibate, with even Christ himself saying that whoever "made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of god", a verse emphasizing that choosing celibacy for the sake of God's kingdom is a sacrifice and a way to focus on spiritual dedication, but now we nitpick and choose what we want from the Bible (including marriage and control) and what we consider divine, eh? If we nitpick, then we are god, we are the divine in the situation. Yet we imagine there to be a divine elsewhere when it was us all along.
The main sin is that they were supremely inhospitable. Hospitality was a HUGE thing for most of the ancient world, including Jewish folks. The fact that the people in Sodom and Gomorrah were constantly murdering this whole thing and doing other horrible and speak evil things to each other all the time was the fundamental reason they were destroyed by God according to the Bible. They were doing EVERY sin, to the one group of people they had the biggest responsibility to, and folks claiming that them assaulting their guests is somehow the same as two dudes in a loving marriage or two women who have a crush on each other really only shows how little folks read their Bible.
the sodom and gommorah story is so caca bananas crazy; it's unbelievable that christians use it to justify bigotry against LGBTQ people. Lot, the "only righteous man" in sodom, offered up his two virgin daughters to be gang graped by a mob. (uhm, say wut?) Later, as Lot and his family fled the city, his wife was turned into a pillar of salt for looking back at the city (wut???). Then, Lot's daughters got Lot drunk and both had s with him to produce daddy daughter incest baby heirs. (wuuuut?!?) So righteous! 😂🤣
Okay here's something you can use for your show when it comes to the Bible, the Byzantine text is what is used in order to make the New testament of the Protestant Bible The Byzantine text was made by Constantine from the writings of the followers of the apostle Paul most of the writings were destroyed by the Roman Catholics but were saved by Constantine Constantine used the writings because he wanted to make a New testament called the Byzantine text to then unify constantinople but 3 years after about 50 of the copies were made Constantine lost his power and was unable to use the Byzantine text and so a man a few centuries later by the name of Erasmus took the Byzantine text and a few others and put them into one book called the Texas receptus, the Texas receptus is what the King James Bible and virtually every translation of the Bible today uses now if you look at the Byzantine Bible and compare it with the Texas receptus huge portions of Scripture are just missing from the Texas receptus not only that Erasmus added a bunch of stuff to the text so this notion that the Bible doesn't change or it's perfect is just BS it is so BS it's leaking BS so this notion again is garbage people need to stop believing in a book that has already been debunked like crazy The Bible has no and I mean no archaeological evidence at all in the scriptures states that Jesus came out of Nazareth except Nazareth is not a real place nobody knows where this mystical place Nazareth is or where it came from, but there's a prophet apparently who mentions Nazareth and that the Savior comes out of Nazareth in Matthew except here's a problem there is no profit in the Old testament that says a savior will come out of Nazareth because it was made up later when the texts were brought together into one book again this is all nonsense the Bible itself is a giant lie and I'm a Jew I've studied scripture since I was a child I know firsthand this stuff is garbage it is complete and total trash, the only way a person believes this lunacy is if they were indoctrinated into it by their parents from birth like I was it took me 32 years to get out of this trash, I'm currently working on a documentary where I'm contacting virtually every pastor in the United States to ask them what they believe and what I found is these people are deranged I mean it truly mentally ill undereducated to the extreme.
@28:51 I have very good reason to believe in the Christian God. When I was 5, I was going to have heart surgery. One day, I saw a man and he came to me and told me He was God and that he was going to be with me for the rest of my life, the then disappeared. The next week i went to the dr and surgery was not needed! Thank you God!!
Interesting points, but most conservative gay men like myself are actually libertarians. There are so many things I thought were ok 20 years ago which I don’t anymore. A lot of us just feel that both sides have lost their damn minds, especially the extreme left who we are not allowed to criticize.
"especially the extreme left who we are not allowed ro criticize" Who and what is "extreme left"? I'm asking because everytime I see someone bring it up, it only means "people who are severely annoying." That's relatively nothing compared to, I guess, the "extreme right" which usually results in someone being killed or people having their basic rights revoked.
@ All extremes can be dangerous. But, a simple litmus test: how often do you hear the mainstream media talk about the extreme left vs the extreme right?
@@AhBu-t5l the extreme right deservedly gets more mention in mainstream media because its a much larger and more relevant movement, and is actually dangerous in that its responsible for the majority of domestic terrorism and mass shootings. the party that did jan 6th is literally in government right now!
A former classmate of mine is currently a gay conservative influencer. I shit you not, he actually once said “it was harder for me to come out as Conservative than to come out as gay.”
I just can’t 😓
To be fair he’s probably right. It’s harder to proudly declare to the world that you’ve chosen to be a complete moron.
Well, one's a sin, and the other is just being gay
@@CampingforCool41😂😂😂true loll
Same vibes as "There's no one more oppressed than a straight white man"
It's a common narrative among gay conservatives. In their minds, gay people are widely accepted, while conservatives are not. It's a persecution complex, and one where they claim the non-conservative gays will discriminate against them. I'm sorry, but did they expect to receive no pushback for adhering to an ideology that seeks to take away other people's rights?
It applies to queer acceptance too like trans and gay stuff, but I notice a lot of conservative thoughts on things also end up being "I only believe it now that the practical reality affects me", like abortion or healthcare or housing. The complete lack of being willing to just look up statistics on issues to be informed is astonishing...in many cases the data is not hard to find at all.
Our hyper individualistic culture enables this apathy so badly.
The classic _"It's not a problem until it affects me personally"_ mentality shared by -so many- *most* of them
Conservatives seem completely incapable of practicing empathy
They have no way of conceptualizing themselves into the shoes of anyone else. That’s exactly why they don’t care until it impacts them personally
I had a horrible childhood due to my parents refusing to divorce and fighting all the time. (they didnt divorce for ,my brother and I, not for religious reason) Once they finally divorced (when i was like 17) it was the biggest breath of fresh air i've ever had.
realest shit. both my parents were verbally abusive to me and one was physically abusive, until they finally divorced when i was like 13. they were trying so hard to make things work for me that they genuinely began to not only hate one another but also hate me for keeping them trapped, even tho i obviously had no say in any of it. when they divorced the abuse basically stopped entirely, i got apologies from them, and now when they fuck up they recognize it and change. i couldn't put into words how glad i was that they divorced and honestly them staying together so long gave me a lot of hatred/fear of people being in relationships around me, among all the other trauma.
case in point, if parents want to divorce but stay together for their kids, their kids 100% want/need them to divorce and they need to divorce for the sake of those kids. every kid comes to appreciate that their family is split rather than broken.
So Paul was "cranky" about sexuality because he simply preached self-control, celibacy (which actually somewhat empowered women, Thecla and Phoebe and (possibly) Junia, who refused to get married and were financially independent), and the giving up on bodily pleasures for the sake of Christ, and believed (genuinely at the time) that Christ was coming soon, so whoever was married should stay married and whoever was celibate should stay celibate, with even Christ himself saying that whoever "made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of god", a verse emphasizing that choosing celibacy for the sake of God's kingdom is a sacrifice and a way to focus on spiritual dedication, but now we nitpick and choose what we want from the Bible (including marriage and control) and what we consider divine, eh? If we nitpick, then we are god, we are the divine in the situation. Yet we imagine there to be a divine elsewhere when it was us all along.
"Rights for me, but not for thee." Remember?
After being driven deeper into the closet time and time again over the years, and having friends ridicule me for finding pictures of me wearing a skirt... I have learned two things above all else that occurred when I finally came out and started living as a woman full time, and eventually medically transitioning:
ONE: These people were not friends of who I really am. They were friends with someone who, at the end of the day, simply isn't who I am. They were friends with a depressed drug addicted alcoholic.
TWO: I am happy today, and 30+ years of depression is gone. That is worth the loss of those who I now see never were my friends. Same with my family, who eventually came to accept me.
Totally worth it, I should have come out earlier in life, but one shouldn't be stuck in the past or it opens up new avenues for self-loathing... something I eliminated from my life!
Peace and Love
Commenter: Jake helped me find out I', gay
Jake: (flexes) hell yea dude. (flexes) glad to be of service
Commenter: You really helped me discover my inner lesbian.
Jake: OK, that's just mean!
i love "the god that i talk to every day" like no dude you talk to no one. you're talking to yourself you're not talking to anyone
It's vibes based, if they're literally talking to anyone, they need medication
I always just say, awesome have him call me when I get home.
@mgrah3723 facts they need a psych eval
This can be said of all unrighteous people. And the list of sins are extensive.
I doubt he even talks to himself. He prays the way he's a patriot. It's an act
I genuinely dont understand why any adult would ever take someone like this seriously. Because he wears a suit jacket or what?
Nah it is the Cross. People love that thing.
Tribalism, US conservatives have been conditioned to believe not in good and bad actions, but good and bad teams. When you are taught that you are special and moral by virtue of being on their side, you will never bother to ask if your own actions are just.
@@J-manli I mean, both sides do this in America. It's a mix between our 2 party political system and American Christianity, I would say. Now, tbh I would say more of the left is less polarized than the right.
Yes. Exactly. This "amazing god" was himself all along. So Paul was "cranky" about sexuality because he simply preached self-control, celibacy (which actually somewhat empowered women, Thecla and Phoebe and (possibly) Junia, who refused to get married and were financially independent), and the giving up on bodily pleasures for the sake of Christ, and believed (genuinely at the time) that Christ was coming soon, so whoever was married should stay married and whoever was celibate should stay celibate, with even Christ himself saying that whoever "made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of god", a verse emphasizing that choosing celibacy for the sake of God's kingdom is a sacrifice and a way to focus on spiritual dedication, but now we nitpick and choose what we want from the Bible (including marriage and control) and what we consider divine, eh? If we nitpick, then we are god, we are the divine in the situation. Yet we imagine there to be a divine elsewhere when it was us all along.
@@uselizard2.0 both parties are conservative. So he's not wrong. There is no meaningful political Left in the US.
If religion wasn't around, it'd at least be harder to argue in favour of bad opinions.
My mom stayed married for a lot of years thinking we needed a dad around while we kids didn't tell her we wanted him tf out of the house because we thought she was happy with him, it is far, far worse for kids to be stuck in a house with a toxic marriage than it is for their parents to just get a divorce
If the act of sex was PURELY for procreation, why is it pleasureable to engage in other types of non-procreative sex (oral, anal, mastubatory)
A lot of things that are bad are pleasurable.
@@Jeanettesboxingchannelnon-procreative sex isn’t
bad tho
@@Jeanettesboxingchannel A lot of good things are also pleasurable. Not an argument.
you want the real biologic answer or the fake religious one?😂
Why don't you mind your own business?
He does realise he is on these people's lists right alongside us? They might come for him after they come for us. But they will come for him.
House slave mentality, "So long as I worship the master's feet, the whip will go to the other slave,"
Last on the train, first in the camp, so they say...
I owned two neutered male cats. Those cats had a sex life, where the smaller cat was on top of the larger cat. Being neutered, I had not expected them to have a sex life at all, so that was a surprise. Unfortunately the larger cat passed away four years ago. You don't really need to look far to see the gayness of nature.
And they might have less complexity than humans in much, but animals can also be much more accepting because of that. They know what they are and act on it with no shame involved, because what are they if not what they feel that they are?
Bonobos, our second closest relatively, regularly engage in bisexual behavior as a means to strengthening bonds.
Isn't this the same guy who it took 10 years for him to realize his wife was a full person?
21:33 THIS!!!!! I literally made up a celebrity crush because I assumed that everyone's celebrity crushes were completely arbitrarily chosen based on like, zero actual factors besides that they were The Opposite Sex™
Remember everyone, if you don't sin Jesus died for nothing. You might as well make it worth it
Hey I can so get behind this
I like how Andrew Klaven just expressed his love for his gay son and the interviewer was just like, “Yeah, yeah, but let me tell you why your son is going to burn in hell forever.” Good lord, do these people have a heart? Also, I’m pretty sure that Paul says in one of his letters that people who are abandoned by their spouse are allowed to remarry. If he believes that the Bible is the word of God, that means he’s allowed to find a new wife if his current one walks out.
"Marriage as it was from the beginning" so 1 man and like 8 women, most of whom were slaves? Thats what the bible consider marriage
I love how Christians in the last centuries suddenly started saying having multiple wives was wrong. Even though reading the Bible I'm pretty sure God never ever says anything against David or Solomon with 100s of wives. I think polygamy is fine, though in the past I'm pretty sure a lot of polygamy practicing husbands were almost always bad people, looking at the history of Mormons and other religious groups that practiced it centuries ago.
People out here forgetting that sexuality is a spectrum, too 🙄
Leopards and all that
21:33 I never understood this. Like, how does looking at a stranger makes you feel "hot" or feel an uncontrollable urge to have sex with the person? The concept is so wild to me.
its not an uncontrollable sex urge lol its just u look at someone and feel attracted to them because they have features that appeal to u
It’s exactly like how seeing or smelling delicious food can make you start salivating and craving that food without your conscious involvement.
@@GillfigGarstangand like with food, the more you abstain from it, the more it starts to occupy your mind. When properly satiated, you can see and smell delicious food nearby without losing composure. When you’re starving the reaction is far more extreme
I never say that I "believe" in Evolution, for I think that generates a great deal of confusion with Christians, who love to use different definitions of "believe" interchangeably.
I do NOT believe in Evolution, for like other areas of science, it DOES NOT command or require my belief. I prefer to say that I ACCEPT Evolution as legitimate science.
Also, as a life-long non-believer, I engaged in the act of not believing in god long before I knew that Evolution was even a thing. My being an Atheist has nothing to do with Evolution. Evolution doesn't even have much to do with religion, since it's in a separate field of science.
Science is the STUDY of the observable, proven, tangible NATURAL world. This includes things we can detect with our senses, as well as things we can detect with our tools (infrared, ultraviolet).
Religion is the BELIEF in the unobservable, unproven, intangible SUPERNATURAL world. This includes things like gods, devils, angels, demons, heaven, hell, etc.
Therefore, it would be both honest and correct to conclude that god.... just ain't natural.
Science tries to find what Christianity knows. Simple.
@@Jeanettesboxingchannel Science shows Christianity knows nothing.
@@JeanettesboxingchannelGods don't exist. Sorry you had to learn this way.
@@Jeanettesboxingchannel christianity doesn't know shit. it's literally just a bunch of fairy tales made to scare and control people into doing what they want them to
Actual Gay People sounds like a badass band name.
good call!!!
honestly the part of this that made me the angriest was him briefly mentioning Michael Knowles, ngl
like if you're going to let me judge you by the company you choose, do it at the start of your video.
As a former Pentecostal, I left religion because of all the violence that God represented inside the bible and teaching. It left me with PTSD and panic attacks. Fear of fire, hot items, certain sounds. My dad would yell at me about God coming back to kill all the sinners. It got quite psychotic. Imagine Alex Jones, that's my dad
It goes by fast but he called Paul "choleric," which comes from the medical philosophy of the HUMORS. You know, like Shakespearean era medicine. These people have to read a book written in the last 100 years.
Isn't that the guy that was amazed that his wife was an actual person with intelligence? It took him more than a decade to realize she has the ability to reason, so he isn't very smart.
As a fellow straight-cis person who is also an ally, I can confirm that I have never had a desire to be a man and I am just not attracted to women. Those thoughts don't even cross your mind when it's normalized for you to be the way you are and you don't struggle with them. The struggle is because people refuse to normalize it for the LGBT+ community.
If we just let it be normal for them too, there wouldn't be any of this "sadness" the guy speaks of. :C
this ☝️
Call me close minded. But I'm not taking any advice from someone who can't do the dishes or laundry. No household chores at all.
A Christian counselor once asked him, "Don't you want to go to heaven?"
"Not if you're there," Greg Jr. said.
Good goddamn Corn King...🤯 That food analogy was so simple, yet so brilliant! I am fully aware that I need nutritious food to sustain my health. But I have also housed three quarters of a s'mores blizzard ice cream cake in one evening 🤗... And it was pure bliss
I love marriage, but I wouldn’t say it’s better than anything. It’s great don’t get me wrong but literally anything, that’s a tall order.
Oh my god, I’ve been waiting for this subject! Let’s super fucking do this! I’m altered!
…with happiness!
If video surfaced of Klaven eating live baby chicks, puppies or kittens I'd think "Yeah, that checks out."
Dude with the glasses and stache is wrong when he says desire isnt a sin the bible says it is many times it is a sin - Matthew 5:27-28 (NIV): "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall not commit adultery.' But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart."
It's sad watching people waste the one life they have worrying about an afterlife that doesn't exist.
yes. 100% growing up religious meant i had no ability to talk about sex with my much edgier friends all the way up till the end of high school.
Oh wow. A conservative Christian giving a BS Defense (C) of queer ppl? I never thought I'd live to see the day. In Trumps America (TM), I'll take a BS Defense (C) over no defense whatsoever. Bravo. Babysteps, everybody. Babysteps.
It sounds like it took him finding out his son was gay to make that change. Conservatives only look at a socially oppressed group sympathetically when it's somebody in their own life who is suffering for their status.
Saying "creation" is honestly just colloquial language and doesn't imply a creator.
Who👏Cares👏About👏What👏God👏Would👏Think👏About👏Sex👏👏👏
"Now I'm protesting too much, I walked myself into that sentence. Woops."
^ If "straight" conservatives were actually straight and simply acted normal instead of doing things like making AI gay porn of people they don't like.
Bro was like "if it would normal, he still wouldn't feel normal" like bruh no?? If he wasn't stigmatized, your son wouldn't feel excluded!!
"If we made it normal like the left wants it to be, there would still be an inherent sadness to it. That you're excluded from the norm..." Come on now 🤣 you can't possibly be THAT dumb
He speaks from his point of understanding (homosexuality being something that shouldn't be fully accepted as the norm too) but he fails to understand that in a world where this actually would be the case, people with his views wouldn't even exist so nobody would give gay people the idea that there's something sad about not being heterosexual in the first place. It's like saying without racism certain races would still be treated as lesser by others. This makes only sense for someone who views racism as an inherently natural feeling (or in his case homophobia) They're unable to think outside themselves.
@@onlyfoes Thank you for putting that so well, that's exactly it. They can't think beyond themselves or the current... I don't want to say reality, because the majority of out queer people aren't sad and very much enjoy being queer, but... current attitude of most and cultural norm. People have gotten better about their opinions & treatment of queer people (excluding trans folks because we're the scapegoats currently), but there's still a much larger disdain of us... that even while full on presenting a hypothetical of homosexuality being completely normal, they still can't concede with it. In a way it's not that I don't *entirely* understand, like I'm anti-capitalist, but it's so ingrained into everything we do and talk about and look at all around us, it's hard for me to picture in my head what a society would look like AFTER capitalism. Not if it never existed, I could probably picture that better, but if it truly ended... I have no idea what that would look like. I could picture elements of it here and there, but I can't fathom all things being affected on a grand scale, I don't know what business practices would look like, I've never seen communism or socialism that's unaffected by capitalism even through simple trading practices between countries... I just don't know! But that's a much more complicated system (imo) than imagining if there was no homophobia. I'd assume there'd just be like... more queer rep in media, more queer owned businesses, no need to come out, and probably no need for specific resources or communities, I just think it wouldn't be hard to imagine... but it's also really funny the way he put it... that even if it was normalised, it wouldn't be the norm. That's just a funny thing to say...
idk, I'm high, maybe he meant statistically because the percentage of queer people in regards to population is relatively small, while growing with more acceptance and protections? But I imagine the percentage may also change if homophobia ceased to exist. I'm not bold enough to assume like half the population would be gay or queer in some way, but I imagine it would be a pretty significant bump, and people, straight or not, would be way more comfortable exploring their sexualities without shame, I'd imagine.
Sorry, I'm a professional yapper 😭
Don't knock Theistic Evolution. I may not believe in it myself, but at least the religious people who do aren't literalists and are thus usually also more open towards a secular society, instead of advocating for theocracy and oppression like fundamentalists often do.
I am one of those lol, the two ideas arent really incongruent if one doesn’t take the Bible as anything but just a book people wrote even if it’s the word of God it’s filtered through a human being and we can’t possibly recreate the message of a perfect being.
"I'm not a demisexual, but [DESCRIBES THE DICTIONARY DEFINITION OF DEMISEXUAL]"
So Paul was "cranky" about sexuality because he simply preached self-control, celibacy (which actually somewhat empowered women, Thecla and Phoebe and (possibly) Junia, who refused to get married and were financially independent), and the giving up on bodily pleasures for the sake of Christ, and believed (genuinely at the time) that Christ was coming soon, so whoever was married should stay married and whoever was celibate should stay celibate, with even Christ himself saying that whoever "made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of god", a verse emphasizing that choosing celibacy for the sake of God's kingdom is a sacrifice and a way to focus on spiritual dedication, but now we nitpick and choose what we want from the Bible (including marriage and control) and what we consider divine, eh? If we nitpick, then we are god, we are the divine in the situation. Yet we imagine there to be a divine elsewhere when it was us all along.
Genetics didnt exist 5000 years ago
That guy makes me angry.
Wasn’t the sin of sodom and gamora being cannibals.
It was their horrible treatment of their fellow humans, primarily the poor and sick iirc.
The main sin is that they were supremely inhospitable. Hospitality was a HUGE thing for most of the ancient world, including Jewish folks. The fact that the people in Sodom and Gomorrah were constantly murdering this whole thing and doing other horrible and speak evil things to each other all the time was the fundamental reason they were destroyed by God according to the Bible. They were doing EVERY sin, to the one group of people they had the biggest responsibility to, and folks claiming that them assaulting their guests is somehow the same as two dudes in a loving marriage or two women who have a crush on each other really only shows how little folks read their Bible.
the sodom and gommorah story is so caca bananas crazy; it's unbelievable that christians use it to justify bigotry against LGBTQ people. Lot, the "only righteous man" in sodom, offered up his two virgin daughters to be gang graped by a mob. (uhm, say wut?) Later, as Lot and his family fled the city, his wife was turned into a pillar of salt for looking back at the city (wut???). Then, Lot's daughters got Lot drunk and both had s with him to produce daddy daughter incest baby heirs. (wuuuut?!?) So righteous! 😂🤣
bible glazers love cherry picking and twisting their own examples to fit their fucked up narrative
Funny thing about faith, they never talk about facts!
It’s not Gomorry, it’s Gomorreah
Okay here's something you can use for your show when it comes to the Bible, the Byzantine text is what is used in order to make the New testament of the Protestant Bible The Byzantine text was made by Constantine from the writings of the followers of the apostle Paul most of the writings were destroyed by the Roman Catholics but were saved by Constantine Constantine used the writings because he wanted to make a New testament called the Byzantine text to then unify constantinople but 3 years after about 50 of the copies were made Constantine lost his power and was unable to use the Byzantine text and so a man a few centuries later by the name of Erasmus took the Byzantine text and a few others and put them into one book called the Texas receptus, the Texas receptus is what the King James Bible and virtually every translation of the Bible today uses now if you look at the Byzantine Bible and compare it with the Texas receptus huge portions of Scripture are just missing from the Texas receptus not only that Erasmus added a bunch of stuff to the text so this notion that the Bible doesn't change or it's perfect is just BS it is so BS it's leaking BS so this notion again is garbage people need to stop believing in a book that has already been debunked like crazy The Bible has no and I mean no archaeological evidence at all in the scriptures states that Jesus came out of Nazareth except Nazareth is not a real place nobody knows where this mystical place Nazareth is or where it came from, but there's a prophet apparently who mentions Nazareth and that the Savior comes out of Nazareth in Matthew except here's a problem there is no profit in the Old testament that says a savior will come out of Nazareth because it was made up later when the texts were brought together into one book again this is all nonsense the Bible itself is a giant lie and I'm a Jew I've studied scripture since I was a child I know firsthand this stuff is garbage it is complete and total trash, the only way a person believes this lunacy is if they were indoctrinated into it by their parents from birth like I was it took me 32 years to get out of this trash, I'm currently working on a documentary where I'm contacting virtually every pastor in the United States to ask them what they believe and what I found is these people are deranged I mean it truly mentally ill undereducated to the extreme.
Who cares what the Bible or the church says about ANYTHING? Release yourself and be free.
In the beginning, men made god in their image.
Christ Died for our Sins that does not require Original sin. We demanded that sacrifice not God.
Love is love
What is this old dude talking about..I can say that cause I'm old...
Why do they have the Ayreon A? Fuck that. Ayreon is so much cooler.
@28:51 I have very good reason to believe in the Christian God. When I was 5, I was going to have heart surgery. One day, I saw a man and he came to me and told me He was God and that he was going to be with me for the rest of my life, the then disappeared. The next week i went to the dr and surgery was not needed! Thank you God!!
naturalistic fallacy
This sucks the bwc
Interesting points, but most conservative gay men like myself are actually libertarians. There are so many things I thought were ok 20 years ago which I don’t anymore. A lot of us just feel that both sides have lost their damn minds, especially the extreme left who we are not allowed to criticize.
"especially the extreme left who we are not allowed ro criticize" Who and what is "extreme left"? I'm asking because everytime I see someone bring it up, it only means "people who are severely annoying." That's relatively nothing compared to, I guess, the "extreme right" which usually results in someone being killed or people having their basic rights revoked.
@ All extremes can be dangerous. But, a simple litmus test: how often do you hear the mainstream media talk about the extreme left vs the extreme right?
“One side wants to take away my human rights, but the other side can be kinda annoying so that’s the same thing”
@@AhBu-t5l the extreme right deservedly gets more mention in mainstream media because its a much larger and more relevant movement, and is actually dangerous in that its responsible for the majority of domestic terrorism and mass shootings. the party that did jan 6th is literally in government right now!
@ What human rights. Be specific.