Harley Benton CST24 Long Term View - What's It Like 3 Years On?
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- 3 years ago I bought a #HarleyBenton CST24 #PRS #copy. Let's take a look at how it measures up after all that time.
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Long term review is a great idea.
Reviews should be made after spending a good amount of time with something. Sometimes, TH-cam Gear reviews feel like a complete kneejerk reaction.
There tends to be a honeymoon period when buying products where you love everything about them, and then the rot sets in and you start to notice the flaws. It can be the other way round as well, where you hate something initially and then you grow into it.
The opposite here! I most often hate everything with the new product and notice all it’s flaws. Then It’s either so bad that I have to return it straight away or it grows on me as ”my axe” even tho the ”rot” sets in ^^
With that said, I see the logic with long term reviews tho. More truthful and useful.
Ive never had a problem with harley benton guitars being deamed as a ``cheap knock off´´ they`re great guitars and have given the big boys a run for their money , therefore making them work a bit harder for our buck .great review john ...
John, your videos made me curious about Vanson pickups! I went with the alnico v's instead of the II's, but man was I impressed! Thank you for your videos.
Love my harley benton sc400 goldtop les paul. I've had it 3 weeks now, haven't modded it at all and love it
Many thanks John for this excellent follow up review!
Alright John. Mine came back today with the Vanson Alnico II pickups fitted. I love em. Thanks for the advice!🌴
3 years. How time flies. I bought a CST24 not long after seeing the original CST24 video and modded mine much like you modded yours. It easily stands beside its mainstream cousins (although I do not own an actual PRS).
I like my emerald green CST-24T. The tones are nice with the Roswell's and the Wilkenson bridge is very nice and stays in tune brilliantly. The issue i have is that the neck is a bit thin. It is the thinnest of the 9 guitars i have and it confuses my hand when i switch between. Love the channel.
Excellent review, your's sets the benchmark! thanks
Hi John,
I wanted to check in to let you know how much I appreciate this video. Not too long ago I purchased a Harley Benton Fusion II HB FR
PRO series and I love it.
I have been considering the CST for a while now, and I think you have convinced me to make the move to purchase another HB....I don't mind making mods to a new guitar, because I believe as you, each guitarist will make some kind of mod to their liking.
Thanks again for this post.
Harley Bentons Rule !🎸
I really like this "long term view" type of video, thank you so much for doing this. Initial unboxings are fun, like a first date with a nice looking young lady. But you're telling us what it's like to be shacked up with this guitar for a few years and considering marriage. Thank you!
Excellent John
Good morning from Texas John! I have two Harley Benton CST-24's and a PRS. I bought the latest "after " I got the PRS. My Harley Benton CST-24 HB is my favorite guitar. Yes even over the PRS. One main reason is "I'm still paying for the PRS. The Harley Bentons are all mine. I could have purchased 4 Harley Benton CST-24's for the price of the PRS.
I like my two CST-24's over my PRS Tim Mahoney SE
Leo & Dan, as a fellow Texan I'm curious, what style music do you like to play through the CST?
That riff at 3:00...very nice mate
@10:50 I 100% agree. I’d much prefer a solid color or something the subtly highlights the wood grain.
Great video, very informative. Cheers
4 months after purchase and my B-stock SC Custom VB is a gem. I only had to change neckrelief and bridge height, other than that awesome right out of the box, I love it.
I just got the cheapest Harley Benton Strat and spent all afternoon playing it yesterday, getting used to it and enjoying it too. Neck position is heavenly sweat even with the unbranded stock PUs, which at some point further on I will upgrade anyway. In the near future, I'll only change the tuners, for which I ordered replacement Harley Benton locking tuners straight away along with the guitar, and might adjust the trem spring claw so the trem bar can have some effect. I tried it and the trem won't budge, which I expected would be the case as they usually ship these with the claw so tightly screwed in that the bridge has no play, practically making it a hard tail. We'll see how that goes, since I have no experience with strat bridges whatsoever. Not disappointed at all for a guitar that cost 10 euros less than the Drop tune pedal I also got with it (for inatant drop tunings whithout having to fuss with the tuners, tuning down and up again all the time), which is a charm (not Harley Benton tho, Digitech). Using it so far to play Voodoo Child :)
Your HB does sound very good! I hear you about the Alnico II pickups. I like those also. I replaced the pickups on my PRS SE Paul’s Guitar with Seymour Duncan pickups with Alnico II magnets.
I have the same Tele that is hanging on the wall in the back. "Cabronita" Style with "Filtertron" clone Roswell pickups. They are great gutiars. I love mine. I got it for 90EUR used but in mint condition.
Interesting for sure. There have been lots of questions regarding how well will a HB hold up over time.
Love that term “ wolf tone”
Have had a CST-24HB (hollow body) for some 8 months now. Roswell LAF AlNiCo-5 humbuckers, and an infinite sustain!
Modded a piezo inside - two outputs to two amp lines. Works like a dream!
Had a slight doubt about the bridge and its intonation settings - no worries, also with .009 string set. All hardware spot on.
If only it had just a bit thinner C-neck for my tiny wieners ...
I'm curious about the modded piezo inside - what pickup did you choose? Was the modification invasive? Did it leave "scars" on the guitar? What do you use the piezo for?
Great vid, as allways! The CST-24 HB is on my wishlist since few years. They don't have the starshaped fretmarker anymore😪, that I liked so much. The dots are kinda boring... On the other hand, having 5 guitars allready is more then enough. Cheers
I agree, Harley Benton should start making a “few” models of its own, I’d be more interested in those for sure.
I am under the impression that their fusion line is not based off of any other brands. I may be wrong but they do not look familiar to any other models out there.
@@longjonsilvernuts the fusion line looks similar but to some charvel and some vintage but then again those designs are very common anyways xD
Glad you brought out the CST24 again, it's one of my favourites of yours. I'll end up with one of these at some time when the wife isn't looking. Thanks again JR
I just got mine today in black flame with the P90s and it seems perfect right out of the box. Now I need to play better...
Hi John. The Harley Benton CST 24 now with Stainless steel frets.
I own a guitar very similar to this yin,it's a vintage vrs 100 and has the same finish,great guitar,had it checked by a Luthier and the intonation was slightly out apart from that it's a total monster
Got same one just before Christmas, it is a lovely playing guitar. I did swap out the tuners to Vansons 19:1, made a great difference, much smoother and tuneable. I’m only surprise was the large amount of black in the tiger stripe, Thomann need to update their picture samples. Keep the videos coming John
Nice video
Just ordered my CST-24 left handed today \m/
John you could play a broom stick and make it sound awesome bro
I love the look of nice wood grain. Both tops, from the Harley Benton or your Gordon Smith have beautiful wood grain, all be it from very different types of woods. I am one that greatly prefers the look and feel of a double-cut guitar and also a carved top guitar, so the Gordon Smith would be losing points on my score card. I like your Gordon Smith.... but I would have preferred a double cut version at least.
My Cst-24T is 2 years old now it came w/ the Roswell pups, which I did not like. I had a set of Dragonfire Hexbuckers and it really came a live. Which is crazy cause that set of pups cost me like 40 bucks. The only other upgrade I did was I put in schaller locking tuners, which cost like twice as much as the pups.. But I had those on hand as well. I really like the neck on these only issue I had was that the fretboard was really dried when I got it, but just a dab of F-1 oil fixed that. I had like 2 'sharp' fret ends which I filed. But, for 200.00 bucks this is way way better than I expected when I ordered it. can't beat the price of these HB's.
I have two electric guitars, and don't need another... I do need an acoustic-electric... I am a Texan living in the Philippines, and good guitars are hard to come by.. When you find one on ebay, you will generally get charged as much for shipping as you do the item... I am looking forward to your amp review tomorrow, John... I made the mistake of buying a Line 6 Amplifi 150 a few years ago, trying to save a little money... I hate it... Without the Amplifi app, you are lost... Thanks for the video... Cheers...
@John Robson Guitarist Hi John, every time I hear you playing through that Tonelab, the thought that springs to mind is; "Who needs a Helix/Kemper/Axefx, et al when you can get those tones?. The thing I like about them is that they sound 'live' and unprocessed. I was on the point of selling my GT-8 for something more modern, I think I'll stick with it for now and do a bit more fiddling with the settings, first!
Cheers.
He's referring to the Peavey HP signature exp made in Korea or the USA made one. Great guitars
How did I miss this.
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I was looking at buying one of these last year but they were out of stock. I checked back every few days - watching the counter until they were back in but just before it reached zero a PRS single cut SE came up for sale in Darlo for £10 less than the Harley. I tried it and loved it - so no Harley.
I might still get one (if my wife allows) - the trans red looks beautiful to me - but I'd probably have to lose one of my basses and as I'm primarily a bass player that might not be wise.
Congratulations for the review, it is brutal! Which guitar would you choose if you could only keep one, the HB CST 24 T, or the CST 24 P90? I would like to buy one, but I don't know which one to choose. I need your advice.
Sounds great ...maybe raise the neck pickup a little on the low E side !
I have the vibrato model, about three months old. I find the tuners are the weak link, and if I were to keep the guitar, I would swap them out for locking tuners, or at least a higher ratio. I have it offered for sale now; I bought four Harleys to decide which kind of guitar I really like best. I concluded that I wanted a Gretsch, so now I have a CST and a SC with P90s for sale. They are good guitars, but I just craved the feel sound and mojo of a Gretsch. I'm keeping the JA(zzmaster) and the 335-type Harleys.
honesty....notin wrong with that policy. love the channel. wave from kent .
I am going to buy the wilkinson bridge rosswell alnico 5 split humbucker version.
Also I was reading somewhere that if the intonation gets screwed up somehow that it's not adjustable on that bridge but I like the fact that it probably stays in tune a lot better than the other bridge I could be totally wrong
The intonation is fine on this kind of bridge as long as you know how to set it. You set the overall angle with the two grub screws on the posts (check your E strings to get this) then adjust the G & B string saddle to get those two sorted out. It's comparable to a 3 saddle Tele bridge in terms of how "spot on" you can get it.
Wearing better than your T-shirt, John. (Great video, as ever.)
Yep I put Alnaco two Magnets in all my Harley Benton that have either alnaco fives or ceramic
i have just ordered a Harley Benton CST-24 Paradise Flame Left Handed as i have always wanted a PRS but could never afford one, i always wanted a Left Handed Strat but went for a second hand Squire 58/59 Vintage it cost me £100 and that is also very very good as well, i also always wanted a Steve Vai JEM but i ended up with a second hand Left Handed JEM jr that only cost me £320 and it plays really well once i figured out how to tune a Floyd Rose i play it far more than the Squire and it stays in tune better but i can not wait to get my hands on this Harley even though i always said i would never buy a Harley because i am a Triumph guy lol all the best from Sunny Hartlepool
Hello John, what about the intonation with this bridge? It seems like it is set permanently.
Unfortunately I often had problems when strings weren't made well.
I've bought myself a CST-24T P90 a few weeks ago and it's a fantastic tool and looks absolutely stunning in Ocean Blue. I love the way it feels, the way it plays, the way it sounds; the only sad thing with Harley Benton is that it's really hard to find the good models in authentic configurations; the P90s on this one were a compromise since I didn't want yet another guitar with humbuckers and would have preferred a SSS configuration. But I really love playing it so much, I'm playing it pretty much every day while my other guitars are gathering dust. Still hoping to find a T-style guitar with authentic pickup configuration from HB one day...
like their te-52?
@@rickhammel9541 That's a bit too vintage for my taste.
Nice video. You also changed the knobs right ? Seems like Gibson knobs
Swapped out the bridge for one with individual saddles.
Hello John, I see you're doing well, so do I. Thanks for a really fair and honest review of this guitar, with pros and cons, very instructive. I was surprised you fitted an alnico 2 vintagy pick up in a high gain focussed style guitar but sounds pleased me a lot on cleans. Do I remember well that before the Gordon Smith your #1 guitar was a telecaster ? About the PRS looking, it seems that the Harley Benton Fusion line adresses your point. Have a good day Sir.
I kind of like the idea to mix the style of looks and sound. There's a certain idea of how a given shaped guitar "should" sound, but I think it's good to shake things up a bit 👍
Excellent video.
I was checking these out recently on Thomann's site, and in the comments some people had negative things to say about the wraparound bridge. Made it sound like a deal-breaker.
Just curious, was your replacement a "drop in"?
Yes mate. No issues at all, just a straight swap 👍
Very nice. Did you have any issues working the intonation with that wrap-around bridge?
None at all 😄
I’ve put the same locking tuner’s brilliant. Also I got a Ghoto wraparoundbridge intonation on each string and much heavier than the Wilkinson which I originally swapped for. I haven’t changed the pups which make did you use I like the sound of yours.
Cheers mate. Vanson Classic 57 PAFs 👍
I have a question. Hopefully someone can possibly answer this. I have some vintage bass and treble PRS pick ups that probably cost me twice as much as this guitar and I wanted to replace the pick ups. There are three wires coming from the prs pups and four wires coming from the Harley Benton Roswell pick ups. Is there a way to install them maybe bypass the split coil? I opened it up and literally have no clue. I’m used to just swapping pick ups out and soldering wires and re-soldering wires.
I would probably own several Harley Benton guitars if they were sold in retail shops here in the USA. I can't bring myself to buy a guitar I have never touched or play QC roulette. I have been eyeing many of their guitars, particularly the fusion II and CST 24s. They seem to be great quality overall, but a guitar has to feel just right for me to bring it home (has to be affordable too).
Another great video, it proves that with some better tuners and pickups, a cheap guitar can be
turned into a good one.
I have been reluctant to buy a Harley Benton due to the horror stories regarding bad samples
and the hassle of returning them, one we "Brexit" it will be a nightmare.
I first heard of HB guitars from a small TH-cam channel called "Nick in the States". He's in the USA (which is a non-EU country) and he seems able to order (and in some cases return) guitars from Thomann without any hassle.
@@JRobsonGuitar I can imagine that there'll be a short period of time when they change the process (if needed), but I can't see that UK would get deserted. I'll even bet that things won't drastically change in what becomes to commercial relationships between UK and the rest of the Europe. Neither side can afford that, no matter how much they ruffle feathers now.
I got the CST24T (tremelo version): the only problem was the tuning stability compared to my music man luke, Godin, Ibanez prestige, so, my more expensive guitars. I installed HB locking tuners on it and now it's great 👍
Ton Akkie Did the HB locking tuners fit right in or did you have to bore the holes to make them bigger? I’m considering those tuners on my SC550. The stock tuners work well. I just like locking tuners.
@@erictoniaschwab1009 The locking tuners fit exactly in the headstock (10mm). So no drilling needed. I guess that is also true for the SC550. Good luck with it. They work very well👍
would you consider doing a shootout with TE-90QM? both semihollow harley bentons :)
Just for info, I recently bought the CST 24 and it has a Wilkinson bridge. It weighs 115 Gms so I think it's a pretty solid bridge. The only thing that puzzles me is that I have read on many websites that it is recommended to fit a bridge that has a flatter radius than the guitar neck . The CST spec lists it as bing 350mm or 13.77" radius. Im not sure that Wilkinson make a 14" bridge to suit and I've not seen any 16" bridges. In practice I wonder what the difference really is in string height and does it affect the playability significantly?
His guitar was made in China. If your's is made in Vietnam, it has different hardware.
Hi John, I watch your videos - and I’ve seen a lot of them - for many different reasons. Sometimes it’s to get ideas about technique, sometimes to hear your take on other players, sometimes for the jokes and so on. But the main reason is I just like listening to you talk about guitars and guitar-related matters. I remembered while watching this a remark of Eric Clapton’s. He said something to the effect that the main thing about a guitar is how it makes you feel when you play it. Clearly that involves many things: the sound of it, the tonal possibilities and the ease of getting them, the feel of the neck, the weight, the finish, the history etc. Before the arrival of pedals it was I imagine from recordings usually possible to guess what kind of guitar a player was using. A strat couldn’t sound like a Gretsch hollowbody, a tele or a 335. But with the arrival of analogue and digital modelling it is quite possible to conceal the identity of a guitar by, e.g., thickening the sound of single coils or even the reverse. There are limits of course. But I’m wondering if you agree that, sound aside, the main thing is feel. And given that the sound can be so much manipulated, maybe the feel is no beginning to be more important than ever. What do you think?
Yes, there has to be that little bit of "magic" that makes you feel a connection with the guitar, I reckon 😄
Absolutely. That is indeed so important John, but it often slips through the net when we’re thinking about specs and features. Hugely enjoying your channel. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if you are a major part of their reason there is so much TH-cam discussion of HB these days. Thanks for the great and varied content.
does the Wilkinson bridge with the 12" radius cause problems with the HB neck radius of 13.7795
No, not that I've noticed.
Looking back, would you recommend the tremolo model or the hardtail model?
Hard tail all the way for me 👍
I have the hollow body version of this. Beautiful looking guitar and pretty good now (especially for the money) s and with a set up it feels pretty good. I don't love it, though. It took six months for the word to stop moving - it must have set it up half a dozen times. This has left me with a bit of a sour taste. Also I now have a Vintage (brand) 335 copy which is a better (but bigger) hollow body.
Liking the return review idea. While I do really like my CST24 I do get a quite a lot of hum when using any sort of gain which gets quieter (but not completely) when I grab the lead jack at the output socket of the guitar. Anyone else having the same issue or is it just me.
If touching the bridge or string doesn't have the same effect as touching the plug, the bridge is probably not grounded.
@@ssm445 Mate your a legend. Upon taking the back plate off, there was a single black wire attached to the bridge with the other end dangling free. One quick solder later and it's quiet as a church mouse. Many, many thanks. New strings and a quick set up and this thing is a monster. Love it.
@@jamesgalbraith4994 Glad you found the problem. Rock on!
I keep hearing about them but still haven’t tried one .... yet!
You really should. You can get a "B" stock for like 165$ plus shipping. I live in Texas and I pay 32 dollars shipping for up to 4 guitars. If you live in England I sent one there for 11 dollars.
I just got a B stock SC550 for my 50th birthday last month. For $193 it’s absolutely amazing. Finish isn’t perfect. Nut is cut decent. Not perfect but the strings don’t pop out (like on the Gibson I once had). The action was amazing right out of the box. Didn’t even have to adjust the truss rod. And the guitar just rocks. Does Jimmy Page, Ace Frehley and Paul Kossoff all day long.
Lol I don’t know gonna be kind hard to bear my Gretsch
Cod Zilla oh some guy named Harley who has last name of Benton? Lol I’m kidding I really don’t know
Leo & Dan Ryan when I get paid next month I’m going to go buy a. Harley Benton Extreme-76 EXPLORER BK Classic Series for like a 100$ yank money lol when I do get it I am going to do a review upon my channel about it
Never been a fan of over the top AAA book matches either. Particularly in a cheap guitar, but even the expensive prs in solid colours look better to me
Can you get straty sounds?
Would you recommend me to get one of these, or would the SC-450 / 550 be better?
Both excellent, it depends which shape you prefer, to be honest.
Really thinking of getting one of the T style guitars from HB. Shipping to the states is very reasonable.
deke441 I got a te 40 and a te 60 hb tele. Both extremely good.
I want to get one of those Fusion guitars at some point.
Hello from Berlin.
Dear John
knock off or no knock off? You had an in depth vid on this which i liked. So ... ain't the Gordon a knock off on the LP Junior? and wasn't the Les Paul built as a cheap answer to the Fender Tele, which sold better than the very expensive Gibson full bodies back then ... and wouldn't the Junior be the correct leveled Gibson answer to the (pre-)Mustangs etc. ??? (now i remember: the Musicmaster and Duosonic ... )
We will never ever get out of this rutt ... so why not just laugh, smile and go on .... even Einstein took some off his predecessors like Lorenz ...
Ordering a Custom axe can help to avoid "playing everybody's darling". I decided to do a PartsCaster build on me own recently. So i might play an axe which is quite unique BUT it's still a Tele style Body (thus Zebrano might be sparse). The neck is a custom neck done by a German luthier with a unique headstock design ... BUT it's still a bit of a Straty looking thing (;-)) knock knock knock ...
All i can say is: it does have an oil finish and i love the natual look and feel of it just like i would love your Gordon one (shouldn't the name rather be Gorgeous Smith (;-))
Oh ... and: modding/building a guitar does make it more yours than everything else would!
Two questions. Are the Tuners Locking Tuners and what Brand/model are the Pickups?
God 🙏 Bless You and Your 👪 Family,
Jimmy in NC....
The tuners aren't locking. I did s "speed test" comparing string changes on locking Vs non locking tuners & there was very little in it. The pickups are Vanson too 😄
Thanks for such a quick reply. God Bless
Jimmy in NC....
Is it better without tremolo? does it stay in tune with tremolo
If it's set up well, the trem version stays in tune fine.
Im Sorry, im Italian and i have a very bar english... so.... Why You prefear the version whitout tremolo?
I just don't use a tremolo very much 😄
I guess the big question is how much money did you sink into it in after market parts that might not have needed with a proper PRS?
Tuners: £25
Pickups: £30
Bridge: £30
So £85 (ish) in after market parts plus the £165 price of the guitar. I reckon I'm still making a saving 😄
John Robson Guitarist without a doubt 😊. I don’t think you can get a used PRS SE Standard for the same amount.
Great video! How do you feel or like Harley Benton/Thomman customer and product support? Fender will never get another dime from me, and I am disabled and not working so every dollar counts.
Until recently, I've always found them to be pretty good. However my last experience of them was that they sat onj my order for nearly a week without despatching it. Any enquiries from me were met with auto-generated "excuse" emails. Still... one bad experience over the years isn't too bad, I suppose.
@@JRobsonGuitar Yeah, everyone gets an oopsie every now and then. If it was two or three bad experiences in a row, I'd be concerned personally. I am thinking of getting one of their guitars, so I was wondering how the customer service was because I usually try not to buy a guitar without playing it first.
Very nice guitar, much cheaper than a PRS, very similar. Does anyone know where I can buy one in Plymouth, Devon UK, or online in UK. Thanks Neville
They're only available from Thomann.
what is your opinion of Allen Eden guitars?
Can't say I'm familiar with them, mate. I'll check 'em out 👍
If Harley Benton did not have the middle man more then likely they would be double the price, but what brand of Alinco 2 did you swap the originals with I want to swap the pups on my Ibanez to Alinco 2 oh did you swap out the nut ?
Vanson pickups were what I used. Excellent value & great sound 👍
@@JRobsonGuitar thought so I have been looking at the Vanson 'Rockatron' Alnico II Chrome Humbucker they sound brill , just under £30 quid bargain th-cam.com/video/ZQGEedHHD7Y/w-d-xo.html
PS also mines a cherry red and the stripes are not quite as prominent.
I prefer the CST to the PRS SE...I find the bird inlays too ostentatious.
Can't beat wilkinson gear,I use loads of it apart from his razors,their a bit dodgy 😂😂
Its like a guitar
And 50% got it right...
There are only a few styles of guitar bodies that are popular. The Tele, Strat, Les Paul, and SG are all made by dozens of companies and they too are knockoffs...Why should a PRS knockoff be any different? I have a CST24 Ocean Flame and it's beautiful and plays well.
Good point. Companies are selling basically "knockoffs" of Tele's, Strats, Les Pauls for thousands of £'s if they have the right name on the headstock especially the god awful reliced ones. The more & more I see ppl lusting over those guitars when they offer nothing over any other guitar is always hilarious. For the prices they charge I would expect actual premium features that could not be possible on a cheaper guitar. Things like a carbon fibre neck (oh but "trad" guitars have to be wood") And pickups that are so high tech that they could be basically any pickup. The guitars being sold now have not moved on in tech since the first solid body ones were whilst other guitar equipment has.
I'm sure a good guitar should last awhile,unless you're using it as a door mat.
Don't know how the guitar has fared but your Barnet went south sir !
Bit personal of me.
I wonder if you are up for reviewing the beautiful looking HB Blue GOTOH SG...?
Tesla pick ups!? not Elon musks company surely?
The website says ebony fretboard?
Stainless steel frets.
gotoh tuners and bridge ...
I seem to recall locking staggered tuners...Love the look and price but is it any good john?
I've not seen you with an SG .
IF you don't like them no worries .
it might be my 3rd Harley Benton.
Know what you mean about overly posh looking axes.
Rough and ready looking works.
I love Rory Gallaghers famous strat ...but not a fake relic !
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Isn’t it sad that if a person doesn’t pay 2,000 for a guitar the owners always come out on TH-cam saying oh……….it’s a ok guitar.
It is OK to do a review 3 years later, but you swapped EVERYTHING!
Which was the point of the video! The idea was to see how my impressions of the guitar had changed & what I'd done about it over the years.
@@JRobsonGuitar Aaah... Now I get it.
Good Job!
What!?
The first guitar i got was a Hondo Les Paul copy, i bought it for DFL 80,- In 1984! That was about 20 British Pounds like then?! It looked like a Gibson, and it sounded even better.
But i never felt, sorry!
It was a ideal way to learn guitar on the cheap!
i realy didn't care fore big moneymakers and filling their pockets, I would learn the guitar, as cheap as possible!
So i would not think too much over copyrights, ore people judging over poor or rich!
If they buy a Apple, well let them waste their money, only to show their wealth, who cares?
apologize