Peace...? (1814)
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Sources:
Max Roser, "War and Peace," Published online at OurWorldInData.org | bit.ly/2S8i4Nf
Jari Eloranta, "Military Spending Patterns in History" | bit.ly/3eB8n1h
Diego Lopes Da Silva, Nan Tian, & Alexandra Marksteiner, "Stockholm International Peace Research Institute: Trends in World Military Expenditure, 2020" | bit.ly/3sVQHmh
Alexis De Tocqueville, "Democracy in America, Volume 2" | amzn.to/3dhfj3S
Karl Marx, "The Communist Manifesto" | amzn.to/3xWEJeZ
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Eric Hobsbawm, "The Age of Revolution, 1789-1848" | amzn.to/3vTyzuB
A. Wess Mitchell, "The Grand Strategy of the Habsburg Empire" | amzn.to/3dgKZ9I
Asa Briggs & Patricia Clavin, "Modern Europe, 1789-Present" | amzn.to/2SsIAkP
Jack S. Levy & William R. Thompson, "The Arc of War: Origins, Escalation, and Transformation" | amzn.to/3diDkr9
Charles Tilly, "Coersion, Capital, and European States, A.D. 990-1992" | amzn.to/3w8cj0t
Music:
"Inhale Exhale," by Braden Deal
"Divider," by Chris Zabriskie
"Mario Bava Sleeps In a Little Later Than He Expected To," by Chris Zabriskie
"Moving Forward," by Adi Goldstein
"Hallon," by Christian Bjoerklund
Be NICE and RESPECTFUL in the comments, folks.
I use some political terminology in this video that I'm sure will make people want to fight. But you can't fight in here, this is the war room!
Oh Historia Civilis you lovely fellow
Ofcourse! @Historia Civilis , surprised that you did no go towards interdependence with your description of Liberalism, how much would you say that increased cost of war due to more interconnectedness is part of the status quo? Also surprised you did not include Social Constructivism in your examples and instead went for Marxism, in current discourse, Social Constructivism I would say is a lot more relevant. Great video to see, nice to see you branching out!
Father Civilis has blessed us with another video 😩
La liberté ou la mort. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
He'll see the big board!🤣
You are witnessing history. This is the first Historia Civilis video in 6 years to not feature squares. Hopefully we shall not witness such sacrilege for another 6 years.
SAD! But good content nonetheless
*blaspheme
I saw some bullet points
hehehe you're right
What?? Unsubscribed.
"You see, Baldrick. In order to prevent war in Europe two superblocs developed. Us, The French, and The Russians on one side, and The Germans and Austro-Hungary on the other. The idea was to have two vast opposing armies: each acting at the others deterrent. That way there could never be a war."
"But... this is a sort of a war. Isn't it sir?"
"Yes you see. There was a tiny flaw in the plan."
"What was that sir?"
"It was bollocks."
-Blackadder
Excellent excellent EXCELLENT reference
I came down here hoping someone had already made the reference. It's such a succinct way of describing the problem. (And is bloody hilarious)
oh no, history really did repeat itself. we are doing the exact same thing prior to ww1 but this time the arsenal is powerful enough to destroy humanity
That honestly was the saddest last episode of any show. Godspeed Capt. Bladder. May you never be poopoo'ed by Capt. Darling.
It's happening again... in 20-bloody-22...
Imagine how pissed everyone would be at Historia Civilis if he didn't knock on wood and WW3 broke out
Been waiting for a thick ww3 for a while.
@@Ghost12314 No worries, we’re building up to one currently
@@nickrollstuhlfahrerson8659 between who? No one benefits from war now. There is no goal that the global powers cannot currently reach through peaceful means. Political ideology is no longer a source of conflict, basically everyone is using the same capitalist system and it doesn't look like it will change any time soon. Borders are extremely set, and with the exception of Russian and Chinese consolidation of their own borders, absolutely no one else would benefit from territorial expansion which was a key factor in all previous wars. You don't need to invade or conquer land through war to own and profit from it anymore. Economics are the name of the game right now, and the markets would crumble under the strain of a serious global war. As much as LARPERs would love for a WW3, it simply won't happen.
@@wimpykidragon if it were to happen, it would likely be over resources, like water. I would bet that if it would happen, it would because China and India would start slapping each other over rivers in the Himalayas.
@@CC-tl3zs except both India and China already own the sources of both their largest rivers. And those conflicts would also never escalate to global conflicts, which are the entire point of the video. You can't tell me you honestly think the modern European/American/Latino/African would ever be willing to die fighting a war in the Himalayas between China and India. There would be literally no one to "benefit" from such a conflict. Also water scarcity is a problem that is often misunderstood. Fresh water is not going to disappear from the world, regardless of temperature changes. Switzerland will always be a water-rich nation, because it is basically just mountains and rivers. Water poor regions, however, will simply get worse. California, regions around the sahel, and the like will become even drier and desertification will worsen. But the Yangtze will never dry. Australia may burn to the ground, but the Ganges will flow as always because India is by and large a very water-rich subcontinent. Though fun to watch and imagine in things like Mad Max, in real life, resource conflicts are really boring and basically never escalate to war. The biggest conflict I can think of relating to water, for example, is Ethiopia building a dam that basically controls the flow of water to the Nile, which upsets Egypt for obvious reasons. This is at most a regional conflict, and is exactly how such resource conflicts will continue to play out in the future.
"Military spending accounted for 90% of all government's spending"
The most EU4 thing said, ever
The other 10% being interest
@@kseshshtern9968 Exactly
if you don't have 45% of your expenses going to 3 dudes that help you govern, you're doing something wrong
Do yall not spend all of your money on workshops and counting houses?
It's a somewhat backwards way of looking at it, though. In many societies before the early modern period, government spending was military spending plus a little bit of administration. It was only after the napoleonic wars that states had to decide whether to a) maintain massive military budgets, b) reduce government/military spending back down to pre-war levels or c) switch that government spending into non-military matters. Some people advocated for b), but the majority wanted to go for c) and the early forms of welfare and civilian state spending. That decision was repeated after WW1 and after WW2.
This is an interesting path I didn't see coming.
HOWEVER: There is a lack of squares, and ghost spots
It was interesting as an exposition about the price of train tickets
But the representation of the persons through squares and armies through rectangles rendered the videos entertainig.
MOAR of this!
you're quick
yes we need MORE
Oh man my two favorite history channels! ❤️
YES! Beautiful camaraderie!
Love this comment almost as much as I love you guys!
Watching ancient era Historia Civilis: Haha lol Tribune Aquila doesnt approve this!
Watching modern era Historia Civilis: *Existential Anxiety*
...does Tribune Aquila approve this video?
@@kanzabiyualkautsar7409 no
@@kanzabiyualkautsar7409 no
@@kanzabiyualkautsar7409 no
as a classical liberal, when historia civilis said liberals are sickos and started quoting karl marx i feel like i am in danger
The 50 years thing makes a lot of sense in a simple way, the people who start each war, almost definitely weren’t alive during the war the 50 years before and therefore don’t realise the catastrophic affects of a war.
That's sort of how fashion works too. Go to a college campus right now and you'll see girls wearing stuff that looks like bell bottoms and jumper pants. Fashion works in 40ish year cycles.
This is described in the Strauss-Howe generational theory, often called the 4th turning theory.
As humans now grow to be 75 years old, and the last threat of great war was the cuban missile crisis will we have another one on our hands in a few years?
@@maxgrozema1093 Well, the theory sees the last great tragedy as WW2. It then defines 4 phases/turnings:
1st phase is dominated by people who lived through the tragedy and will do anything to prevent another. Nikita Khrushchev would fall into this category. These are also the people who are focused on rebuilding.
2nd phase is dominated by people who experienced the aftermath of the tragedy and had the teachings of the people who dominated phase 1. They will continue the policies of those that preceded them as they are aware of the alternative. JFK would fall into this category.
3rd phase is dominated by people who neither experienced the tragedy directly nor the aftermath and had little contact with survivors. They are still aware of the tragedy and will continue on the path towards prosperity and try prevent another one from happening.
4th phase is dominated by people who had only passing education (ie. from history books at school) about the tragedy and do not consider the prevention of it a problem/policy goal, which will sooner or later lead to another world wide tragedy to happen. The last phase is called the 4th turning.
Reminds me of the quote, bad times create strong people , strong people create good times, good times create weak people and weak people create bad times.
Halfway through and there's distinct and distressing lack of squares. Freaky.
@MisterSerpent You good bud?
@MisterSerpent Shut up bro
@MisterSerpent How' that phone and internet created through capitalism that you use to bash capitalism treating you bud?
@MisterSerpent cope and seethe
We still get the narration. Personally, I really missed that outro, so I'm glad it's back even though we're no longer in classical times.
19th century Historia Civilis. Very pleasing to the people-who-like-lines-on-a-map community
As opposed to people-who-like-squares-on-a-map?
@@NoName-xc6cg yes
@@NoName-xc6cg I enjoy both for their own reasons. What about that time the red square crossed the river from cisalpine Gaul to Italia?
@@BiggestCorvid a hero was born
Roman lines on a map is much more pleasing and glorious!!!
Miss you, HC. 4 months without a video is too long.
5 months now, hope he’s cooking up a big one
I came here time to time to watch again some vids
Yay! Glad to hear hes okay, was a little worried for a sec there... things aren't exactly great outside atm...
Here 72 months later, HC is imprisoned for knowing too much, and the world is on a downward spiral.
Try 6’months 😭
19th century Historia Civilis is baffling but definitely wanted
@Kodeko Im pretty sure they just used a shitty copypasta
@MisterSerpent cope and seethe
@UCKhS-PmfUDaJvIlBrisv8KQ ok chief i agree with you but its hardly relevant here
The new 19th century playlist is up so expect more
@@t.wcharles2171 Good eye! Wouldn’t of thought to check!
The unexpected videos such as The Iroquois Confederacy and The Bronze Age Collapse were very interesting. I hope to see more of these videos in the future!
yeah it's always nice to learn about more obscure parts of history
We not only need his thoughts about history but also about today!
The Iroquois Confederacy vid was something every Canadian should honestly consider RFN
Maybe Extra History is too Disney for babies and socially left for some people, but his Bronze Age vid added one thing in twenty minutes which they hadn't already mentioned years prior. :( Iroquois confederacy vid was dope.
I don’t say this lightly, but these off shoots are my favorite videos. I really enjoyed the trail of King Charles I.
"go ahead, fight me, I don't care" is a pretty good summary of the french revolution onto itself.
But the first clear expression of 'Nationalism' came with the French Revolution in 1789. It led to the transfer of sovereignty from the monarchy to the body of citizens.
"go ahead, fight me, I don't care" sounds like the beginning of a great power conflict.
“These people are known as sickos.”
Pulling no punches.
@TH-cam Account someone clearly doesn't like looking through the materialist lense
@TH-cam Account you’re right ya know
@TH-cam Account My arse is it moral! Jeff Bezos could take a literal golden shower whilst his own employees rely on food banks. It’s depraved. I’m not saying communism is right but at least in theory it would be fair, it’s just never been used as much more than a tool to keep those at the top in power. I think the true answer, as many do, lies in the middle ground. Unfortunately democratic socialism is too close to the ‘red scare’ for many to accept it is objectively the way to provide the best quality of life to your people.
No matter what economic structure you believe is best, it is always going to be imperfect because it involves people, and those things can be notoriously imperfect
@TH-cam Account “I assure you, 3rd world sweatshops are a perfectly moral economic model. Now excuse me while I pull up the FOXCONN suicide nets”
Ending music is a blast of Serotonin, every time!
I can feel my ears perking up in anticipation of the beat as the video ends! Love it
maybe for you
There is no greater pleasure than the anticipation of the fading Marimba, followed by the H drop and ensuing music. I’m not sure if it’s the quality or infrequency of his videos, but that closing music brings on a feeling of nostalgia as if you were remembering something from your childhood.
@@turftoed untz untz is the worst thing in music
The beloved Haloon sound
“Are we seriously having a Global Crisis over the SAHARA DESERT?”
Victoria 2?
Crisis for Inner Mauritania
Hello fellow bokoen fans
L E T ‘ S H A V E W W 1 O V E R T H E S A N D
GOLDEN!!!
"Next to a battle lost, the saddest thing is a battle won." Sir Arthur Wellesley, the Duke of Wellington.
Some subscribers believe that keeping Historia Civilis going is a worthy goal unto itself, even if it takes a teeny tiny patreon donation to get there. These people are called Heroes.
I bet that Historia Civilis actually spent the last year drawing a map of the Holy Roman Empire.
For which year?
You mean the ancient roman empire?
It's too bad that
A) he got the map all wrong (especially concerning Prussia)
B) the HRE ended in 1806 and this video is (mostly) concerning the post 1814 world.
Trust me, I'd make the same mistakes over and over again
@@jadger1871 The map of Europe is just after Napoleon's first defeat. That means it's before the border were redrawn at the Congress of Vienna. That why pressure looks so weird, it hadn't gotten territory from the does she have Warsaw, Saxony, or the entire Rhineland.
Napoleon was so good at warfare he scared the world into making peace.
Napoleon was so good at warfare, that his enemies strategy at the last coalition was to not fight him directly.
@@TheOsamaBahama but it worked, at the time the Europeans had no knowledge of Sun Tzu's Art of War but he stated the exact same thing. When you are 10 times his strength, surround him, when you are 5 times his strength attack him, when double his strength divide him, when equal to him engage him, when weaker than him be capable of withdrawing, when totally unmatched to him, elude him.
Do you mean that Napoleon was the nuclear bomb of the 19th ?
@@TheOsamaBahama
When they approach we run away.
GENIUS !
@@tepesobrejac4360 an Oversimplified plan of action.
"Wake up legionary."
...
"Napoleon? Concert of Nations? A new world? Great power conflicts? Sounds like a hell of a dream." Now grab your gladius soldier, Caesar needs our help. ROMA INVICTA"
epic
@Trance - 009 Sound System Dreamscape more like gets some disease and dies in agony while shitting your brains out because you sipped some water from a random puddle
Wait, which Caesar? Where did I enlist?
@@bomschhofmann1644 "Soldier how do you forget who you enlist to, come on get your gear, the Gauls are uniting".
ROMA INVICTA
Watching this today is fascinating. Matters of war and peace will never not be relevant.
It can be argued that the war of 1870 was extremely close to being a great power war, if the French army had not surrendered and Paris had not risen up in revolt.
This would continue the 50ish year pattern.
Bismark was wise enough to go after Denmark, Austria, and France in separate short wars. And even got France to attack him. Even if the War of 1870 had continued, I don't think it would have expanded nor lasted much longer. Napoleon III was not the commander his uncle had been, so even if he had escaped capture, things would have gone down hill for France quite quickly.
the Crimean War of 1853-56 was most definitely a Great power war
I mean the big 19th century war was the Taiping Rebellion, 30 to 50 million dead, the only war to have a larger death toll is WWII.
@@jonsouth1545 Just because a war involved great powers doesnt mean its a great war, the Crimean war was a centralized conflict that stayed in Crimea
@@rowanmurphy4986 as I previously stated in a other reply the Crimean war did not stay in the Crimea with campaigns also happening on the Caucuses the Danube in the Pacific in the Balkans and in the Baltic with the Royal Naval distruction of Russian coastal forts protecting At St Petersburg being the deciding factor in the war prompting the Tsar to surrender. The Crimean war had a bigger geographic spread than any war outside WW1, WW2 and 7 years war
Ask Tribune Aquilla whether it is okay to dive into the French Revolution
This is the comment I didn't know I wanted.
Is the republic safe, Cicero?
I would LOVE to see your history of the french revolutionary wars done like your ancient rome stuff with the most dramatic boxes I've ever seen in my life
Napoleon's square must be red.
How do you behead a box ? Because there would be a lot of box beheading.
Epic history TV has a really good series on the Napoleonic wars. But it has rectangles instead of squares so I'm not sure if you'd be interested.
Have you checked out the Revolutions Podcast done by the same guy who did The Hisory of Rome (THoR) podcast.
I haven't gotten through the French revolution yet because their are so many episodes on it but I am learning a lot.
You might enjoy it.
@@gmat5046 no come on, Caesar and Napopeon should be different
Yano I love all of this channel’s videos. I re-watch all of them all the time. But I think for us, this is the greatest of their series. It means the most to us because it’s the closest to us and it allows us to be closest to our current geopolitical state. I love you Historia Civillis
Historia Civilis, is this because Imperator: Rome was discontinued and Victoria 3 was announced?
damn he is secret advert
he was converted :D
@@Buffalo_Soldier vic 3 already looks like a streamlined child's game, maybe you could figure it out now big guy.
@@BudMasta how so?
they discontinued imperator rome????
The only channel where I will drop anything at a moment's notice to watch the newest video.
OK, but don't hold a baby and a phone at the same time.
@MisterSerpent cope and seethe
I feel that way about Michelle Gibson channel but I like historia too.
If anyone wants to learn more about the French Revolution, I highly recommend listening to Mike Duncan's Revolutions podcast. The third season is an extremely in-depth look at the French Revolution, and his style of presentation is very easy to follow
Hi. if you're fluent in french you can listen " Henri guillemin ". He's the reference for frenchs. (on somes videos you has auto-sub )
Is he PC? It looks like he does a series on the Haitian revolution. Does he talk about how killing all of the white people turned their country into what it is today?
@@bloodwrage
What do you mean by PC? Duncan certainly talks about the purge of Whites under Dessalines, but he correctly points out that this is far from the sole reason for Haiti’s current problems.
@@TBone-bz9mp pretty sure @bloodwrage is right wing and meant “politically correct” by PC.
@whomever, where can this be found? Link? Would be helpful if it is on YT only
>returns
>Post video
>"Yeah we're overdue for a war that'll kill hundreds of millions"
>refuses to elaborate
>leaves
A hegemonic empire is slowly losing ground to a new power; the empire *might* lose a war, but it will almost *certainly* lose the peace. My money on the fact that tension is building between China and the US. Consent and casus bellis are actively being manufactured if only due to realpolitik. It will be ugly.
oop
Well then, taking the first steps
*I got news for ya!*
"My boy Caesar" is now "My boy Napoleon"? I can get behind that.
Now I want to see a 30 minute response video from Lindybeige focused exclusively on that one sentence alone.
He did say that era is a rabbit hole. I hope we go deep, real deep.
I got the impression that this series would be more like my boy Metternich and eventually Bismarck
@@imperialus1 Then have him come up with expressions like "Napoleon was a git!"
Napoleon was ballin
I like how you are gradually taking your channel to the next level, going from concrete retellings of events to underlying abstract concepts.
It's part of the history for this setting
When that song kicked in at 18:09 I was so conflicted. I knew the video was ending, but I also knew sick beats were incoming
I'm pleased he went back to the "sick beats" we know and love. A while ago he tried a new theme tune which did not go down with many listeners. But he listened to our comments and went back to this tune which we associate with this channel.
Ikr? TARARAAAAA
@@NoName-xc6cg I usually hear it as DooWeOoooo! I get so excited for the end each time, but am not thinking about it until right before it happens because of the topics.
@@russianhorde I am always disappointed it doesn't lead into "I chase the devil".
du du duuuuuu 🥰 dududu dududu dudududuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
This video just became a lot more relevant.
I'm impressed you where able to sunmerize the French Revolution with out mentioning Napoleon once...
In this case he actually isn't too important, Napoleon didn't do much to build the peace, he took advantage of chaos and war. He was way too ambitious and full of himself to be content with peace. It's clear considering there were multiple times where peace could have been secured and he choose war 9 times out of 10, even at detriment to himself and beyond the capabilities of the French Army (Russia, Haiti, Spain). Napoleons attempts at peace were always preparations and buying time for another war with any of Frances neighbors (Treaty of Amiens).
As the saying goes "When all you have is a hammer, everything seems like a nail."
@@F22onblockland So Napoleon was a typical french leader.
@@F22onblockland ah yes, the like 8 coalitions declared on him, "he" didn't like peace, lol. Britan didn't like peace, you dolt.
@@BudMasta why so aggressive
@@BudMasta the Emperor has a very hardcore fan base
Ah, so my synthesis of what I've learned on this channel: Tribune Aquila was a great power, since he would be consulted on all relevant matters of the Senate, even those Caesar didn't think directly involved him
Historia Civilis's next video is either going to be legendary or not happen at all.
He’s probably getting burnt out or something, I really hope this is just a short hiatus and he’ll be back soon, but he might be pulling a salmonella academy and dipping for good
@@adamjohnson2914 The thing I don't get is how people who make a lot of videos, grow a following, etc don't put out a video or post, etc saying they're ending the channel. I've only seen 1 channel where the creator made a video explaining he was done, others just never post anything again. It's stranger still when there is an explicit announcement that more videos will be made prior to the ghosting of the channel.
About 100 minutes on the Congress of Vienna is pretty legendary
Historiacivilis: *talks about the struggles of war and peace*
Me an intellectual: *waiting for **18:55*
*cat bobbing head*
@@javiermendez9880 catjam aha
What is the name anyway of the song
@@tasibsharar7357 hallon
constantly in suspense for which part is gonna be the drop so i can vibe
I can respect that this video 19:18 minutes long
Wrong
@@clayvertmarjani6939 what is wrong?
@@rightsteve2663 It's 19:19 not 19:18 well atleast for me
I think there is sometimes a 1 second discrapancy (I think it's between mobile and desktop, but don't quote me on that). For me at least it says this video is 19:18 long.
On mobile, 19:19 here.
Funny that 1919 is when the Versailles Treaty went into effect. An attempt at a secure peace that failed spectacularly.
When I hear that music at the end... I get major fission. Your storytelling, knowledge and wit have me watching your videos multiple times. As a student of history myself I find motivation to write again after a good binge of your content. Thank you for all you do friend.
Just watched through the entire chronological playlist for your channel. I'm sure this has been suggested before, but I just want to second (or third, fourth, ... nth) the suggestion. A year by year of the French revolution in the vain of your Roman series "His Year" videos would be extremely useful.
As a classically trained student of International Relations, I have so many bones to pick with this video. But at least you're covering the topic, so kudos. People can do their own follow-up research and come to their own conclusions.
Only so much depth you can squeeze out of a 20 minute video. At least he provides sources in the description for people that want to more in depth research.
@@Calvin_Coolage I'm trying to be nice here. Don't force me to actually bring critiques. It's not just lacking depth, it's misleading at best. And none of the links appear to directly cover the IR theory (which is what I'm whinging about). He has sources for military expenditures, histories of war and peace, etc., but no IR texts. His coverage of IR theory sounds like a haphazard reading of the cliff notes from the main text that I read in school, with all of the gaps filled in with his own assumptions and everything bent to fit into his narrative.
Like I said, it's better than nothing for anyone who is completely new to IR theory, but if anyone thinks it accurately reflects the theories presented, or the field as a whole, they will be sorely mistaken.
I don't know what kind of metaphor would work for you, but imagine a video that covers programming languages, and only mentions HTML, JavaScript, and Python. Oh, and those three programming languages also represent a holistic triangle of possible ways to program--it's not that other languages aren't mentioned, they are implied out of existence. And the video says things like JavaScript is like Java but with better scripting and Python developers only do functional programming. If you knew anything about programming--let alone if it was your passion--you'd be cringing. But besides those egregious errors, at least the other broad strokes are generally in the ballpark...
@@noeticjustice1535 Any of the stuff that wasn't about historical events went over my head anyways. Besides someone else in the comments pointed out how the Crimean War kinda tanks this wholr idea 19th century peace in Europe.
@@noeticjustice1535 Yeah, generally, the so-called "Great Peace" of the 19th century doesn't sound so impressive when you think about the wars that these Great Powers waged to make new colonial empires by working together. Such a peace was bound to shatter when Germany was formed and broke the status quo where uber-macho politicians demanded/expected colonial empires just becuase they were Great Powers. Japan and the US took up this practice too, and their own rise only made the Concert of Europe more obsolete.
But I'm nowhere near as learned in IR, so these are just my opinions.
@@noeticjustice1535 Oh, and for the record, as much as I enjoy this channel, I would much rather you write 3 paragraphs actually expanding on the subject. If you don't want to critique and shit on the channel, cool, but just stating that you know better, but don't want to is just pointless.
Time to relisten to the "Revolutions" podcast episodes about the French Revolution and the Revolutions of 1848!
then after that mine as well listen to the history of rome for the 10th time
I listen to mike for like 6 hours a day at work once for almost two weeks and I’m still not done with the French Revolution
@@njb1126 just wait until you get to the Russian Revolutions!
@@raphaelborges9795 wait I thought Mika ducan hasnt done the russian revolution yet
@@wizard680 He's about 60 episodes into the Russian Revolution, and just getting to 1917.
Wait a minute.... This isn't Rome!
... Oh... But its gonna be.
probably your best work, I still come back to watch this periodically and send it to everyone I know. as we get deeper into conflicts around the world I feel we all need to be reminded of this historical information in order to frame it properly. thank you again and again and again.
“These people are known as sickos” Lmao
YES... HA HA HA... YES!
Redpilled and based
@MisterSerpent "Even modern day china under the revisionists is still a better place to live than fascist AmeriKKKa "
Shut up
@MisterSerpent “Amerikkka”
Touch grass
@MisterSerpent "at least then China will transition from Deng Xiao Ping Theory to a Communist economy"
Yes, yes, the end of days is just around the corner right? Any minute now? Holy fucking hell you are deluded, I'm sorry.
I was waiting for the civil war between Mark Antony and Caesar but this works.
??? Antony was a general of Caesar.
@@bezahltersystemtroll5055 octavian's real name was the same one as julius caesar's following his adoption and at the time would be called caesar. It's weird to call him caesar but it's not wrong.
@@lt2660 ah, you're right.
You mean Marx Anthony?
@@baptistedelplanque8859 hahaha.
We've been blessed
Literally this guy makes amazing videos no matter what topic
@MisterSerpent cope and seethe
@@nosauce7410 report him for spam
@@nosauce7410 bot
'Peace is Interesting' is actually quite a novel topic for a history channel and yet more evidence that Historia Civilis is a good dude as well as a great youtuber. =)
I appreciate that this episode ends at 19:18
Coincidence or planned?
*Haven't watched it yet, just chuckled at the total time*
Says 19:19 for me
@@BlueBirdsProductions 2019 is when things started derailing.
Insert meme about having to choose between finishing roman history and talking about world peace.
"Everybody loses!"
Hopefully this is the key to long lasting peace.
with the nuclear option, yes
@@nothernstar2576 Although a weak yes, there were a few close calls.
@@steven_003 close calls were everywhere, but with nuclear everyone on every lecel thinks again because everyone understands that if this Pandora box is open, everyone will die or at least be fricked up badly
@MisterSerpent You writting a modern communist manifesto or something bud?
@MisterSerpent Cope and seethe
People in the comments are saying this has aged poorly... no it hasn't? The Russo-Ukrainian war is not(yet) a Great Power conflict as long as NATO does not get involved directly. If anything, the Realist and Liberal analysis of the current situation is very enlightening and this video can serve as the starting point for understanding what has gone wrong, what is being done, and what can yet be done for the current crisis.
I agree. The long peace does not preclude war between great powers, they just stop them from spreading and escalating. A la the Crimean war that only lasted 6 months and was extremely limited in scope compared to the Napoleonic wars and the world wars. And Ukraine is neither a great power either. It is a minor player that gets bullied by the major player in its geopolitical sphere just like every other minor country, albeit with a lot less subtlety.
You can tell that a lot of people commenting that this hasn't aged well aren't that old. They probably don't even remember the beginning of the wars in Afghanistan or Iraq, and how it might seem like the world is going to hell in a handbasket then, let alone Vietnam or the Iran-Iraq war, or the dissolution of Yugoslavia.
People are also forgetting the fall of Yugoslavia.
Arguably worse than what’s going on now
@@AragornRespecter I’m not sure when that was, but I think it’s the amount of photos and videos from the people in Ukraine every day that makes this feel so big. We see uncensored evidence of what is going on, and it can be found in minutes, which makes it a lot more emotionally relevant maybe?
@@Eli-pi4eh I think that's a big part of it. Social media is so prevalent now. Also Zelenskyy keeps making broadcasts pleading with other nations for support.
Russia invaded Crimea a few years ago, and Georgia a few years before that. I don't recall people being as shocked or appalled even though the circumstances weren't too different.
@@VeilingSunI know this is an old post, but the Crimean War lasted nearly 3 years from October 1853 to February 1856 with almost a million deaths (when counting military and civilian deaths). It definitely wasn’t as large scale as a World War, but it was a major regional conflict that had multiple great powers directly involved (Ottomans, Russia, France, Great Britain).
Inquiring minds would like to know: does Historia Civilis play paradox games?
Victoria 2 comes to mind
@@road-eo6911 EUIV came to mind for me
@@saahiliyer11 yeah, like he doesn't play crusader kings or Imperator Rome, let's not fool ourselves
He has tweeted about calling out of work to play CK3 when it came out. So yes he is a map gamer
Based and map-painted
There is something oddly satisfying about how this video is 19:18 long.
It’s always good when this men uploads
You know the worse part of this situation was that there was no use of little squares running around in the field.
Pesky Realists and their refusal to run around in massive hosts of people and bash each others' heads in.
@@TheHadMatters we truly live in an international system with strong incentives against aggression...
Poor squares had to go to the va to seek peace time employment
Metternich here we come! I wonder what color square he'll be at the Congress of Vienna?
@@Jon.A.Scholt Hold on! We still have to have the battles between Octavian and Anthony/Cleopatra way before that!
He didn't knock on enough wood.
It’s still mostly a localized and contained conflict...
*for now.*
I had a morning wood tho
@@Eliel20117🤨
@@Slender_Man_186 - Yeah... About that...
"Be at peace-for that is all I ever want"
~Karl Franz
"No peace, there is only war!" -also Karl Franz
Hail Sigmar!!
Waaagh!
Finally the king is back
Indeed
Long Live the King of Squares!
Down with kings!
Long live the Lord-Educator; Historia Civilis!
And I was just wondering about him the other day, what he was cooking up for us...
@MisterSerpent cope and seethe
Just yesterday I was thinking, "hmm, when is Historia Civilis going to upload again?"
@@truegrit1860 why disappointment? This is great too!
@@smorcrux426 personally I thought he was gonna mention in this video about the treaty of Vienna and talk about the influential people behind it, also he didn't even mention that the main reason the great powers were at peace was because it wasn't some abstract fear like he explains, to beat peace in practice, needs practical things, such as signing a 20 year alliance which was part of Vienna treaty. 20 years means one definite generation, meaning a new generation emerged which was more accustomed to the ideas of peace than the older ones. They also agreed to put down any major revolt happening in a signatory, this is why the Russian army entered Austria to put down the Hungarian revolt later on.
This video was more like Historia's Civilis's personal thoughts and brainstorming over the matter, I was kinda disappointed skipping historical events but thats ok too.
@@Iason29 I think it was the 7 Years War which established the balance of power idea in Europe. The Napoleonic Wars were the French trying to break out of this after they all went a little crazy. Everything after that like the Vienna treaty was to keep the balance of power and try to prevent large wars. The whole idea behind the balance of power is to avoid war. He wasn't going into detail just talking about the general ideas behind the cause of wars and how to keep the peace. He doesn't have to talk about the details of nations keeping the balance of power to make his point. His point being most likely a comparison of Europe keeping the peace in the 1800s and America/Europe trying to keep the peace now and predictions on when the next large war will occur (I think anyways). Don't need specifics for that
It’s so difficult for me to decide which thread of history I want Historia Civilis to continue, this great addition just made it that much harder. Good Job!
Babe, wake up! Historia Civilis just posted 12 seconds ago!
Peace was never an option.
My my
F*nch
NAPOLEON>caesar
_Vive l'Empereur!_
Agreed
I love the big picture view of history that videos like this gives. Getting into the bird eye view, top down look at what really causes peace and war… it’s a fantastic thing to think about!
This aged well
Yeah this has aged like fine wine ! No more peace
Yes it did. The Ukraine Russia conflict isn’t a great power conflict.
@@AragornRespecter one missile falls on the wrong side of the border and it is also with major nations funding ukraine it could be seen as such
@@AragornRespecter also it is open warfare in europe so it ticks that box
@@AragornRespecter I said it before and I'll say it now. Russia and Ukraine have the largest armies in Europe. I said before that it'd be a grinding bloodbath, and that's proved correct.
I'm so glad I randomly found this channel years ago. Fantastic.
I think the “right now” exception came from the tempering of mutually assured destruction and the Cold War
Also the integration of global economies and trade after WWII. We've built a system where it's easier and more profitable for nations to trade goods and resources with each other rather than go to war over them.
I agree. I think it would have been fairly likely WW3 would have broken out in the 60s or 80s if nukes didn't exist and we might be on our way to doing it again, although it would be very unlikely that something as large as the eastern bloc/Warsaw pact could be rebuilt after being destroyed.
@@davilimalol4612 it’s a mind fuck to think that if nukes weren’t invented, several more millions of people would’ve died in war
@@constantinekorkousky3363 If nukes weren't used, the Japanese people would have died out by now. How's that for head asplode?
I think it's also due to the cold war featuring only two super powers who were obviously opposed to each other but also knew that a war would mean total destruction for both of them even without nukes. So they ended up constantly jostling for power in proxy wars instead, plus when there were only two sides with nukes there was less wiggle room for them to be used. However that's what's dangerous now, we are clearly in a world where there are several great powers and many states that have nukes, some being very small ones like Isreal and North Korea. While you could expect the top brass of the Warsaw Pact and NATO to not be stupid about when to use nukes and also make sure that they don't need to use nukes unless it's a world war you can't expect these minor countries to do the same. Isreal would obviously fire nukes if they seemed to be losing a regional war and North Korea would fire them if the US ever invaded or there was a chance of reunification where they weren't in control. That sets the stage for a gradual escalation where a smaller power uses nukes in a regional war which makes a larger power respond and then the allies of that small power respond and now we have a world war where nukes have already been used. Not to mention there's a lot more room for things to go wrong when we have a handful of great powers, it seems like the 21st century is going to have the US, China, EU, India and perhaps Russia as major powers and there's a lot more room for things to suddenly escalate between one or two of those and then suddenly you have a world war.
Last time I was this early to a Historia Civilis video, Caesar hadn't crossed the Rubicon.
I've been thinking about this video a lot in the past 2 weeks.
The video is 19:18 minutes long, no way this is a coincidence
whats with 1918 ? spanish flu ?
@@arzentvm more like the end of the Great War
@@giuliodondi And at the very end of the video: "Peace!"
19:19 for me so
"Hon hon look at those colonial citizens overthrowing their royal master with our help. Good thing that sort of thing can never happen here."
I mean not really, there were a lot of liberal thinkers in France at this point who absolutely wanted the same thing to happen in France. I mean they weren't aiming for a Republic right away but neither were the Americans at first.
@@hedgehog3180 unfortunately they failed to reproduce the freedom America had forged. Part of this was the lack of morals and humility, when your arrogantly change everything for the sake of change and pretend your revolution is as important as the coming of Christ (mind you this was a very catholic country, so even if you don’t care they did) shows a lack of humility and an idealistic belief that was in many ways authoritarian.
@@feartheghus the freedom America had forged? While continuing to uphold slavery and other oppressive institutions and only giving the right to vote to landholders? You idealize your own Revolution too much.
@@feartheghus leaving aside you idealist reading of the american revolution, your comment is laughable to anyone remotely familiar with the term "anticlericalism"
@@OdysseyThe01 oh didnt you know the american revolution? the greatest revolution that ever was that forged the best country to ever exist? the most democratic and free? its all facts not systematic brainwashing throught propaganda
This is a topic I have dedicated an immense amount of time to so I’m insanely excited.
@MisterSerpent
Is this a copy pasta?
@@sirbillius Just report it as spam.
@MisterSerpent cope and seethe
@@Carakav
Already done.
What did you think?
0:04 I got bad news my man
I think we can see Historia Civilis doesn't like Napoleon 😂
Hi there, I agree. The so called Napoleonic wars were wars initiated by other nations towards France.
I honestly dont understand how the fench celebrate Napoleon so much.....Napoleon literally hollowed out most of the revolutions achievments and send an entire french generation to the graveyards in his endless wars....
And the Result of Napoleon? France is again a monarchy with a King.
@@noobster4779 What did the revolution really achieve though? France was in perpetual turmoil with people dying left and right in complete anarchy. Napoleon united their country and ended the terror, thats why they loved him. The first French revolution is probably one of the most romanticised events in human history, it was abject horror resulting in near societal collapse
Anglo sillyness has long lasting effects indeed.
i think no one should copy Ceaser
Every time Historia uploads a new episode, I DROP EVERYTHING!
A great TH-cam power indeed
Yo plot twist Caesar actually survived and we're getting more videos about him
Plot twist would be someone from 1814 mentioning Cassius, revealing this whole series was yet another super long, deviating footnote from the core Caesar and Octavian series
BRO I HAVEN'T READ THE FULL MANGA NO SPOILERS!!!!!
Yes. No spoilers. We actually neither want another Caesar who introduced reforms only to destroy the politics. We nor want some or the other Pompey Magnus, who in the name of going against Caesar played a crucial role in transforming a Republic to an Empire.
The events after his death are also pretty interesting and consequential too.
@@infidelheretic923 Yes. In fact Cicero rightly reprimanded Brutus and Cassius for not being decisive in the Ides of March. Had they slaughtered Caesar's affiliates as well, things in general would have been different.
How grim to watch this video in February 2022...
Single worst thing about this channel is that all of the videos have an ending. I could watch these indefinetly
I really hope as you continue with this video series you don’t forget the scramble for Africa and how “peace” is an extremely relative term especially in the context of that era. There was still untoward human suffering
When he talks about "peace" I gathered he meant "peace between great powers", since that was the topic of the video. there sure was a lot of war at that time, it just wasn't usually between great powers.
I hate the designation of "realist". It makes any other theories sounds stupid and disconnected from reality (which is, arguably, what many of the self-proclaimed "realists" actually believe).
Great video as always, keep them coming :)
And realist Metternich spent most of his time surpressing revolutions ... Of course he and every other realist knows that ideological alignment helps with peace.
For realism to work perfectly, you'd need to make every country roughly equal and most of them to dislike any wars.
@@lkaseru Luckily for us, we found a way to do that relatively easily post ww2. Nuclear weapons and mutually assured destruction have stopped almost all large scale conflicts between nuclear powers. We have even seen countries who otherwise may have been deposed survive due to the use of nukes (NK), while countries which had their nuclear weapons or ambitions removed have been invaded by nuclear powers (Libya and Ukraine). Interesting, Civilis did not briefly touch on this potential game changer for peace in the video. I assume that it will be expounded upon in a future video.
Especially as "all states act reasonably" does not seem really realist ^^'
@@MrThecrazzyman
We still haven't scratched the 100 year benchmark. Keep waiting because MAD isn't 100% reliable.
I've gone through your entire channel twice now and I need More. Your style of presentation is perfect. No pressure but I demand you upload faster plz.
It's a fantastic video, even though it was meant to be a containment the Crimean war was the exception to the 99 year peace. With 900k soldiers dying (and countless civilians). With brutal conditions in and near Sevastopol and the Balkans.
Came here to mention this, but you beat me to it. Also, the Franco-Prussian War saw nearly 300k soldiers and 250k civilians killed, and it drastically shifted the balance of power away from France, lead to German unification, and instilled some serious anger in French hearts due to the war reparations, which they would return with a vengeance in the Treaty of Versailles...so not an insignificant great power conflict, I think.
*none of that is to say that the 99 years wasn't generally a lot more peaceful or with somewhat reduced scope of conflict than most prior centuries, but I just meant that I wouldn't personally categories it as "absent" any Great Power conflicts.
@@AlexTaylor64 It's the same when people say "we are not living through peace now".
As you won't be if you are from Syria or the likes.
I could say UK has been peaceful since 1746. No "major" war since then I don't think.
But then you have 1880s, 1923, 1980s...
@@AlexTaylor64 Crimean war inspired modern medicine it was so brutal, Franco-Prussian war painted Europe for the next 70 years after it. Russo-Japanese war was bloody and contributed to the collapse of the Russian monarchy. Half a million died in the Greek war of independence which was intervened in by several European powers and put the nail in the coffin of the ottoman empire. The treaty of Vienna did a good job to establish balance of power and paired with the Berlin conference drew conflict to weaker and more exploitable frontiers. The world post-Napoleon and post-WW2 weren't more peaceful, there was just less major conflict. The closest thing to worldwide peace in the modern era was post-Gulf war up until 2001. Which was a very short window of full American hegemony.
@@themattsterdn1824 very well-put!
The outro gets me every time. So good!
Love this take on hegemonic stability theory. As a student of political science I very much appreciate your contribution to our knowledge of the history of peace.
was hoping that he'd mention democratic peace theoy specifically tho 😤😂
@@bezahltersystemtroll5055 It's more or less what political alignment boils down to. Who could have guessed that liberal democracies don't fight each other when they hold essentially the same values
@@Woodsy2575 It should be noted that this doesn't remove the possiiblity, it just lowers it even more. Democracies have a far harder ideological battle to fight other democracies, but it has happened before. And more than that, if the situation is dire enough, democracies can flat-out sabotage other democracies for the sake of geopolitical gain like in the Cold War. People can justify it, but it's just much more difficult.
@@stephenjenkins7971 war between truly democratic countries is theoretically possible, but in practice the systems that create for stable democratic government, things like robust bureaucracy and negotiation between competing internal interest groups, translate to finding compromise before war actually breaks out. It’s a lot easier for a monarch, dictator or crony one party state to go to war because there are far fewer systems and people standing in the way. Espionage and interfering in another nation’s internal affairs don’t qualify here.
@@Woodsy2575 I agree with you, I'm just saying that hte possibility is still there. Pleasing the constituents makes it near-impossible for an actual war between democracies to happen, but it still CAN happen. You just need the weakening of democratic structures, tension formed from demagogue actions, and a feeling of fear, really.
World: at relative peace for 75 years
Russia in 2022: im gonna do whats called a pro gamer move
Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Korea… what is this 75 years of peace?
The literal second after you said "Boats!" I got a Navy ad hahaha
All this talk about whether Historia Civilis is unfair to Napoleon makes me want to ask what he thinks of Napoleon.
Careful. If we go down this rabbit hole, we'll be forty videos deep before we know it, all without a single update to the Rome series.
@@James_Wisniewski I would love a full on look on Napoleon and his campaigns, that sounds fucking awesome.
I guess he will have more or less the same opinion as he has on Caesar
@@alejandroruiz7977 I mean, perhaps. But they’re not the same person, however much people might like to compare them.
@@errienteunisse8038 Epic History TV is a good watch.
I’m a little late but I wanted to congratulate you on doing something different and possibly outside your comfort zone. It would be easy to just keep doing your fantastic historical recaps with the little squares and circles we all know and love but you branched out and made something different. Something different, yet something just as amazing. Deep down I hope this isn’t the end of the old style videos with their tiny squares but with this video you show you can make great videos in a different style and presentation, so if this is the end I still look forward to what the future has in store.
Man come Back, the World needs you!
New video this weekend on the rise of gladiators and games and the such. I think it's already up on his patreon
"These people are known as sickos"
Big Stan Kelly Energy, LOL
What?
He's not wrong.
LOL! I mean, YES ... HA HA HA ... YES!
Monarchists and Marxists are cool though
@@Spoonishpls When did he say that Marxists and monarchists were cool, exactly? He criticized Realists for the lengths they were willing to go to to preserve peace as an option, and he barely had anything to say about Marxism at all, much less something good or bad about it.
I like how he used colors for realists, liberals and marxists the same way they are represented in vicky2
Come and look upon the heart, Nerevar...
@Fabrizio I didn't know that
*Revolt sound plays for the hundredth time even though your militancy is below 0.5*
I always look forward to your videos. It’s a blessing every time! Thank you
Please come back. We miss you.
Well he knocked on wood, so now this is happening.
This hits different now.
Even more so now
Is these some kind of Signal to the future of our world? maybe I shouldn't thought about it...
Love the videos bro, this literally got me invested into ancient history and I loved all the stories you covered. Only issue I have is that I watched them all and I need my reup!!!!! No rush I hope you’re enjoying the holidays and that you come back soon
I’m with you, been waiting for the next video for a while!
I have been thinking about this video for the past month. And this week has really kept it on my mind.